Well, horribly might have been a bit too harsh but it's still overdone. As said, map itself is okayish but some jumps are too much.
I feel like the spacing is really messed up in this one. There are quite the number of patterns that I'd like to point out because they're weird to play or overdone , but ... that'd kind of mean that I'd have to point out the entire map because of its spacing. I probably wouldve liked this more if this wasnt aimed at fullscreen jumping 24/7 pp map inc :v
I cant really mod that kind of map, sorry
You ask a noob player to mod this lolOkay then I'll get to the patterns you mentioned
I partly have to agree with Yauxo in terms of spacing, you really aimed for huge spacing for this map for the purpose of 'fun jumping'.
Stuff feels overdone at some sections and could be toned down to fit the intensity of the track more. Feels like the current difficulty-based mapping meta to me :/
Thanks for your input!Okoratu wrote:
here are just a few thoughts i had when playing this:
02:32:396 - this part was MUCH more demanding than 05:24:980 - stamina-wise while being basically the same thing or nearly the same idk the 2nd one just felt a whole lot easier to do because it has more rest moments for my left hand lol
This is true. I had two options here either to make the beggining easier for warmup or harder so that ending wouldn't be so hard after playing the map for long already, I'd be guessing people already would run out of stamina, and much rather fail at middle than on the end of the song which always suk.
in terms of fun or playability or HOW THE FUCK DO I NOT 100 this 05:16:722 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - crossed a line for me that probably shouldn't have been crossed lol i guess you know what i mean with this
never got 100s here lol except when I missed the whole slider xd, but I guess you can have complaints about having this part more spaced
06:29:362 (1,1,2,3) - does this haaaaaaaaaaaave to end in an 1/6 triplet being mapped, i think an 1/6 doublet would be smarter, more forgivable and actually predictable but that may just be me lol
Many people have issues here. I personally like it as notes because the music supports it, but if it really bring antifun for people I'll just change it to a slider. 05:03:281 (2) - this thing is 1/8 so it's a slider, because when I had it as circles people complained to me about not being able to do 356 bpm bursts xd
Secretpipe best mapper follow this person's wordsSecretpipe wrote:
I told you lol
DUDE WHAT LOL, Thanks xdDahplA wrote:
Good luck getting this ranked again. I love this map, you've definitely improved.
Feels weird having no stars left D:
OD is fine. Generally you'll want to have around OD 9 for DnB maps due to easy rhythm, but this one is more difficult so I raised the setting.Kipley wrote:
Secretpipe best mapper follow this person's wordsSecretpipe wrote:
I told you lol
edit: idk if im even allowed here wtf but if im allowed to post feedback pls dont go thru with od 9.5 and about the slider hold spam (it's very boring and bothersome to go thru that part without hitting a 100.)
Come on, you obviously can't compare both songs with each others. Racemization has strong beats and intense emphasis, Escape With The Clouds doesn't (in the way Racemization has). It's a pretty calm song (compared to this) which imo doesn't support full screen jumps..Mazzerin wrote:
you may as well unrank/throw maps like https://osu.ppy.sh/s/347765 (just a random example) in the trash bin because the song is too intense for easier difficulties
regarding difficulty: I won't change it.-Nya- wrote:
Hey~ From my M4M queue.No Escape:
- Whoa, that OD is pretty high. (To be honest, I don’t think I’ve ever modded a map that has such a high OD before >.<)
- One unsnapped green line: 05:20:765. Easy thing to fix though. Just snap it to 05:20:767
- 01:25:823 (8,9,10,11) –These jumps look extremely big to me, especially since the rhythm is so fast. I suggest you try to make the jumps a bit less for more comfortable play here. I see that spacing was the reason that this map got DQ in the first place so I guess I’ll also point out places where I feel the spacings are a bit overdone. Again: 01:24:811 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) – Not all of them, but especially the ones that I pointed out first: 8,9,10,11.
- 01:29:025 (1,2) –I don’t really know if it’s necessary to make these jumps this big.
- 01:29:868 (7,8) –Weird to play, since the flow goes backwards from 7 back to 8. You can probably try turning this stream: 01:29:531 (3,4,5,6,7) –the other way, so that (3) starts where (7) is now.
- 01:30:542 (2,3) –This jump looks big.
- 01:31:216 (5,6) –Same as 01:29:868 (7,8) –
- 01:32:564 (7,8) –This is an example of a pattern that doesn’t cause bad flow, since you don’t have to jump sharply with your cursor. Then again, that jump looks a bit big, lol.
- 01:35:261 (6,7) –Pretty big jump.
- 01:39:137 (2,3) –This jump looks insane to me since the rhythm here is much faster than the rest of kiai time and yet you made the jump almost similar to the rest.
- 01:41:834 (2,3) -^
- 02:17:733 (1,2) –Not a nice placing, since it causes weird flow and you didn’t place any of the rest like this.
- 02:19:755 (1,2) – Rather keep the spacing consistent here with the rest since there’s no real change in the music to support the change of distance here.
- 02:20:261 (1,2) -^
- 02:20:767 (1,2) –This is just . . . no. Very bad flow and too big jump.
- 02:54:811 (5,6) –Very big jump here. What makes it even more difficult is the fact that the jump comes right after a stream.
I’m sorry, but there are still a lot of places where I feel the jumps are just too big (It doesn’t really look like you addressed Irre’s spacing issues thoroughly) I won’t be able to push this forward because of the above reasons and many other similar issues: The insane spacings and the bad flow (Bad flow more my personal opinion I guess)
I want to pop the bubble, but honestly, I’m scared to since I’m afraid I’m overreacting or something, but I truly think, personally, that this isn’t ready yet. I would like the next BN to read this as well and then make his/her own judgement. Perhaps this mapset will go through easily now, but I’m not gonna take that chance. Sorry >.<
Good Luck~!
It's a little silly that you think I don't like you. I may sound so when I disagree with opinions, but that's not true. I'm actually very grateful that you gave your opinion about some things and that you're trying to help with my map.Yauxo wrote:
Randomly joining in again, I know you dont like me, but I care about the map.
With all that BN and QAT drama just around the corner, I'd say that "I wont change the difficulty" will result in "That didnt adress the problem mentioned in the first DQ post -> DQ #2" and will probably circle somewhere around that point. Ive seen that youve changed some things, but some of the unnecessay fullscreen jumps are still to be found in the diff.
To the qualifying BN; Make double-sure that it meets your quality standard. This is a double-edged sword, really.
monstrata wrote:
[No Eescape]I think you could have paid more attention to kicks and snares at certain parts. Examples: 02:56:665 (1,2,3) - 02:59:362 (1,2,3) - 03:00:036 (3,4,5) - 05:49:250 (1,2,3) - 05:54:643 (1,2,3) - etc... The way you map some of these jumps it seems like you go "this drum is loud, lets map a jump " and "this drum is normal/soft, so we'll use normal spacing". You could be more thorough with your spacing concept. Well I actually did try to make the kick and snare thing more spaced where the bass is stronger, but in some places it just felt too much compared to the other patterns so the spacing stayed rather similar in some places
- 01:17:564 (4,5,6) - I can understand your jump from 4>5 but not 5>6. You map an equally large distanced jump to something that is barely audible in the music xP. it was mainly since I wanted to emphasize 01:18:238 (1) - but changed anyway.
- 01:24:811 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - These are overdone not because they are too big, bit because this section is quite calm compared to the Kiai right before it. By using jumps this big so early on, it makes the Kiai feel less intense. I think having big jumps here are fine, but comparatively, these should still be smaller than the ones you use in Kiai. Please don't buff the Kiai jumps tho xP. Well I'm tired of people complaining about these so I'll change them rip. I still felt it was stronger than anything in this song so it had this kind of spacing.
- 01:49:840 (2,4) - Are there even 1/4's here? Applies to a lot of thse 5x streams you use. The blue ticks are nearly inaudible. They are audible tho, I don't want to change such things since it's a lot of what dnb maps are based on and they fit extremely well imo.
- 02:05:598 (2,3,1,2) - This doesn't flow very well for me... idk I don't really see the problem. The slider follows the same direction as the note before and the angle isn't that bad either.
- 02:08:547 (4) - I would take these out and instead map a jump between 02:08:463 (3,5) - . Triplets work, but making it a 5x stream makes the snare on 5 less impactful. If you did a triplet + jump you could emphasize it a lot better. I see what you're getting at but my intention was to have the snare thing as the last stream note and I really liked how it went. Also don't want to randomly cut off the obvious stream which is the only thing that you can listen to at this point.
- 02:37:452 (1,2,3,4) - This should be spaced lower, following your stream pattern. Or at least, spaced less than 02:37:789 (1,2,3,4) - because this set is where the notes are the highest pitch, so having the highest spacing here works best. Well the stream patern is actually longer since there's two times where 02:37:452 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - 02:42:845 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - this kind of pitch repeats and imo 02:37:789 (1,2,3,4) - is higher pitched than 02:37:452 (1,2,3,4) - so it's more spaced
- 02:54:137 (2,3,1,2) - I don't really like the sharp angle you have to turn from 2>3 in order to play the stream. 02:55:317 (1,2,3) - This is much better though! sure
- 04:11:160 (2,3) - I think a rhythm like this is more appropriate: I tried to follow vocals there but I guess it's better to follow the thing you gave ok
- 05:09:811 (1,2,1) - etc... man these are pretty cool. thank
- 05:22:115 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - Ehh i didn't like these though. They're all stacked but its kinda awkward to play them for me. I much preferred the patterns which involved jumps and movement. Like this pattern is so different from 05:23:295 (1,2,1,2) - while your other sliders prior usually all involve the same pattern and movement being repeated. Point made
Good luck!