Did people even think they were favored to begin with? I'm pretty sure any informed player would have considered Austria heavily favored to win that match.Blue Dragon wrote:
So can people now actually believe me that Taiwan isn't a strong title contender?
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clumsy thoughts is fun ;-;
Oh really? Since you seem to be informed enough, can you enlighten me on why they were considered the stronger team in this match?chainpullz wrote:
Did people even think they were favored to begin with? I'm pretty sure any informed player would have considered Austria heavily favored to win that match.
People still banning the hell out of Yoshiwara Lament, looks like buny wasn't the only one hating the pick.
WWW in room of Portugal VS Austria
WWW : Hi
Portugal : New Portugal ace
Portugal : Polonia help us
R.I.P Portugal
kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
WWW : Hi
Portugal : New Portugal ace
Portugal : Polonia help us
R.I.P Portugal
kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
With the stream being cut off every 10 minutes and the constant "client lag", mixed with the fact that there's nowhere else (as far as i'm aware) to keep up to date on the world cup, I'm finding it difficult to enjoy. Anyone know if this is going to be fixed further into the tournament? I just wanna watch me some circles ;_;
Polônia 3x0 Canada
Polônia ( without Rafis and WWW ) 4x0 Canada
Austria 4x1 Portugal
Polônia ( without Rafis and WWW ) 4x0 Canada
Austria 4x1 Portugal
Gigo wrote:
Oh really? Since you seem to be informed enough, can you enlighten me on why they were considered the stronger team in this match?chainpullz wrote:
Did people even think they were favored to begin with? I'm pretty sure any informed player would have considered Austria heavily favored to win that match.
spoilers I guess
Omgforz and Alumetorz are two of the most consistent players in the world when it comes to tournaments. That's not even mentioning the other top players that round out Austria's roster. When Omgforz is your lowest ranked player that's a good indication that your team is deserving of a top seed.
Taiwan on the other hand struggles to field even 4 consistent players especially with Small K not even competing in today's match against Austria. Even if its the case that Hvick was the most skilled player in that match, tournaments aren't won off sheer skill alone. With the difficulty of the map pool consistency is the only factor that really matters and having Hvick on your team gives you no more advantage than having Omgforz on your team in that department.
I'm not saying "clearly Austria was going to 4-0" but I certainly expected an Austria win with above 50% certainty. It was more of a "how many maps will it take for Austria to pull ahead?" question to me.
Taiwan on the other hand struggles to field even 4 consistent players especially with Small K not even competing in today's match against Austria. Even if its the case that Hvick was the most skilled player in that match, tournaments aren't won off sheer skill alone. With the difficulty of the map pool consistency is the only factor that really matters and having Hvick on your team gives you no more advantage than having Omgforz on your team in that department.
I'm not saying "clearly Austria was going to 4-0" but I certainly expected an Austria win with above 50% certainty. It was more of a "how many maps will it take for Austria to pull ahead?" question to me.
cool people put results into spoilersSuzumiyaBR wrote:
...
Was there even a match where Clumsy Thoughts wasn't banned?
I doubt it is anything like client lag, it is either a bug or a latency issue with bancho which can't be fixed (not saying it is impossible but you know?)Karthy wrote:
With the stream being cut off every 10 minutes and the constant "client lag", mixed with the fact that there's nowhere else (as far as i'm aware) to keep up to date on the world cup, I'm finding it difficult to enjoy. Anyone know if this is going to be fixed further into the tournament? I just wanna watch me some circles ;_;
(maybe someone can share their settings for the OBS to improve the quality a bit but that's all I could think of)
interesting to see how some matches become so different with score V2, like Taiwan vs Austria, really convincing victory there
For non-streamed matches I could only hold on to the mp links
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... pw/pubhtml
Endaris wrote:
cool people put results into spoilersSuzumiyaBR wrote:
...
The results should be on the first page of that topic
Yep, at least 2 times on the stream(austria vs taiwan and right now argentina vs finland). Yoshiwara Lament at 100% banrate on stream still.fartownik wrote:
Was there even a match where Clumsy Thoughts wasn't banned?
The results should be on the first page of that topicNo, they're on the wiki page.
Endaris wrote:
Yep, at least 2 times on the stream(austria vs taiwan and right now argentina vs finland). Yoshiwara Lament at 100% banrate on stream still.fartownik wrote:
Was there even a match where Clumsy Thoughts wasn't banned?The results should be on the first page of that topicNo, they're on the wiki page.
Where
https://osu.ppy.sh/wiki/OWC_2015
??????????????
Should upgrade. so the match ended
Is there even much advantage to banning Clumsy Thought. The map is basically mutually assured destruction. I mean, if you are confident enough that you will beat the other team on every other map, losing once isn't that big of a deal imo. It seems like a map that only a lower seed team would pick knowing they have no chance to beat the high seeded team on non-gimmick maps so might as well try to roll a 6.
Where
https://osu.ppy.sh/wiki/OWC_2015
Shouldupgradeupdate. so the match ended
truthfully I couldn't find it either, they probably got the result sheet from one of the refs like always
You can get the results on stream by typing !results
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... pw/pubhtml
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... pw/pubhtml
I just wanted to post it, damn!Endaris wrote:
You can get the results on stream by typing !results
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... pw/pubhtml
Does anybody have a group table? I made an unofficial one just in case Marcin is behind on the official one.
(I stress unofficial because the 4th tiebreaker I used is NOT the tiebreaker that will be used)
http://challonge.com/15owcShadow
(I stress unofficial because the 4th tiebreaker I used is NOT the tiebreaker that will be used)
http://challonge.com/15owcShadow
we got our clumsy thoughts
im happy now
im happy now
First Clumsy Thoughts ever - only 2 people survive the map XD
juutalainen420
Read the rules.jebany-smurf wrote:
1 player at Finland team got dc`ed and still Argentina got point? How does this tournament works?
Unplugging your router is not cause for a map to be thrown out. Since there's no way to differentiate between unplugging your router and any other sort of disconnect the same applies for all disconnects.jebany-smurf wrote:
1 player at Finland team got dc`ed and still Argentina got point? How does this tournament works?
Yeah mods, censor the BibleThump emote so people can't have fun! Great idea.
Minhtam wrote:
Does anybody have a group table? I made an unofficial one just in case Marcin is behind on the official one.
(I stress unofficial because the 4th tiebreaker I used is NOT the tiebreaker that will be used)
http://challonge.com/15owcShadow
Update this
Argentina 3x4
Ukraine 4x1
It will be up tomorrow, sorry for delay.Minhtam wrote:
Does anybody have a group table? I made an unofficial one just in case Marcin is behind on the official one.
(I stress unofficial because the 4th tiebreaker I used is NOT the tiebreaker that will be used)
http://challonge.com/15owcShadow
Game Name: OWC 2015: (Sweden) vs (Austria) (#120,150,054)
Duration: 05:22:52 - 05:27:29
Game Mode: osu! (Team VS)
Scoring Mode: Highest 3
Slot Score Acc User Combo 300s 100s 50s Miss
1 1,004,597 99.92% Xytox 1230 840 1 0 0
LOOOOL
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Duration: 05:22:52 - 05:27:29
Game Mode: osu! (Team VS)
Scoring Mode: Highest 3
Slot Score Acc User Combo 300s 100s 50s Miss
1 1,004,597 99.92% Xytox 1230 840 1 0 0
LOOOOL
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The profile banners are so cool, but I can't gift them 
Ok, thanks for the explanation. So, do you think the result would have been different if Small K had played? Unfortunately I was not home, so I couldn't watch the match (as well as most of the other matches today).chainpullz wrote:
spoilers I guessOmgforz and Alumetorz are two of the most consistent players in the world when it comes to tournaments. That's not even mentioning the other top players that round out Austria's roster. When Omgforz is your lowest ranked player that's a good indication that your team is deserving of a top seed.
Taiwan on the other hand struggles to field even 4 consistent players especially with Small K not even competing in today's match against Austria. Even if its the case that Hvick was the most skilled player in that match, tournaments aren't won off sheer skill alone. With the difficulty of the map pool consistency is the only factor that really matters and having Hvick on your team gives you no more advantage than having Omgforz on your team in that department.
I'm not saying "clearly Austria was going to 4-0" but I certainly expected an Austria win with above 50% certainty. It was more of a "how many maps will it take for Austria to pull ahead?" question to me.
Gigo wrote:
Ok, thanks for the explanation. So, do you think the result would have been different if Small K had played? Unfortunately I was not home, so I couldn't watch the match (as well as most of the other matches today).chainpullz wrote:
spoilers I guessOmgforz and Alumetorz are two of the most consistent players in the world when it comes to tournaments. That's not even mentioning the other top players that round out Austria's roster. When Omgforz is your lowest ranked player that's a good indication that your team is deserving of a top seed.
Taiwan on the other hand struggles to field even 4 consistent players especially with Small K not even competing in today's match against Austria. Even if its the case that Hvick was the most skilled player in that match, tournaments aren't won off sheer skill alone. With the difficulty of the map pool consistency is the only factor that really matters and having Hvick on your team gives you no more advantage than having Omgforz on your team in that department.
I'm not saying "clearly Austria was going to 4-0" but I certainly expected an Austria win with above 50% certainty. It was more of a "how many maps will it take for Austria to pull ahead?" question to me.
because people apparently care about spoilers
In the end it takes 4 consistent players to be a top contender at OWC especially when you eventually will have to face off against teams like Poland.I think it would have been a lot closer. Taiwan's two secondary players were very underwhelming and you can't exactly put your whole team on your back to carry them across the finish line like one can in other games. Even with Small K I'd still give a slight edge to Austria. As it stands it looks like Sweden might even have a chance of knocking Taiwan out of the group stages if Taiwan isn't able to shore up their weaker players.
I feel Austria can be the underdogs. Fedora and Alum preformed well earlier.
My nation, the United Kingdom, have had a mixed day firstly losing to the stronger team China who were meant to win. The second game was against the Philippines which we won comfortably which brings a bit of hope.
Tomorrow the UK have Japan which might be tricky, depends on how Japan preform.
If we proceed out of the groups, I don't think we could go any further as other teams are just too good.
My nation, the United Kingdom, have had a mixed day firstly losing to the stronger team China who were meant to win. The second game was against the Philippines which we won comfortably which brings a bit of hope.
Tomorrow the UK have Japan which might be tricky, depends on how Japan preform.
If we proceed out of the groups, I don't think we could go any further as other teams are just too good.
gj team
BRAZIL HYPE!!!11!1!111!!! 
Endaris wrote:
You can get the results on stream by typing !results
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... pw/pubhtml
Thanks man
And now we see that Yoshiwara Lament is one of the maps that can rip teams apart, not just by "random misses" but by a big discrepancy in accuracy and/or reading that shows big.
Love how the US team played this out even though I'm crossing my fingers for Box.
Love how the US team played this out even though I'm crossing my fingers for Box.
Every map in the mappool can be used strategically because one team excels at some specific aspect of the game over the other team. It's nothing new for OWC and it's a part of why we can pick maps in the first place (I mean, if every map tested the same things, why even have picks)
True but as stated by many participating players the maps for group stage are rather easy and it's more about who chokes than anything else. Many maps were very close and there were barely any confidence picks where one team completely dominated a map. Found that very convincing by the USA team.
There was also a patch the night before group stages that's causing a number of players to be dropping frames and they aren't allowed to play on the fallback.Endaris wrote:
True but as stated by many participating players the maps for group stage are rather easy and it's more about who chokes than anything else. Many maps were very close and there were barely any confidence picks where one team completely dominated a map. Found that very convincing by the USA team.
Well yeah, like, don't choke.Endaris wrote:
True but as stated by many participating players the maps for group stage are rather easy and it's more about who chokes than anything else. Many maps were very close and there were barely any confidence picks where one team completely dominated a map. Found that very convincing by the USA team.
The non-fallback stable version seems to not drop frames for me.chainpullz wrote:
There was also a patch the night before group stages that's causing a number of players to be dropping frames and they aren't allowed to play on the fallback.
Topic Starter
chainpullz wrote:
There was also a patch the night before group stages that's causing a number of players to be dropping frames and they aren't allowed to play on the fallback.Endaris wrote:
True but as stated by many participating players the maps for group stage are rather easy and it's more about who chokes than anything else. Many maps were very close and there were barely any confidence picks where one team completely dominated a map. Found that very convincing by the USA team.
Can you please specify this more and open a tech support thread on the Help board about it? This helps waaaaay more (unless it does exist already)
Good matches today, hope we can get even better tomorrow!
Now I'm off because I really need to sleep ;A;
/me rolls and dies
Now I'm off because I really need to sleep ;A;
/me rolls and dies
group E best matches
This wasn't planned tho
M I N G 3 0 1 2
a shame we didn't make it out of groups (expected), gl to the rest of the teams
quite impressed on the management of the tournament, nearly no delay in the matches we played and didn't experience any problems
quite impressed on the management of the tournament, nearly no delay in the matches we played and didn't experience any problems
Chao chan plsChaoslitz wrote:
This wasn't planned tho
M I N G 3 0 1 2
How do I join the Tournament??Loctav wrote:
Wiki | Livestream
Welcome to the osu! World Cup 2015 Discussion Thread.
Here you can discuss everything related to the biggest worldwide osu! tournament.
Ez for Germany
THAILAND HYPE !!
This informative post will be deleted anyway, just move along
Interesting.
Japan is out of group stage :O
Hong Kong won 1 lost 1, hope that they can beat their final opponent!
Australia is also out as well
Japan is out of group stage :O
Hong Kong won 1 lost 1, hope that they can beat their final opponent!
Australia is also out as well
Rip Japan
And Hong Kong made it! REJOICE!!!!!!!!!!
Germany and Thailand are so close each of them lost at least one match
I don't know which team to hype for
I am not sure about how the matches are hosted but can we not rely so much on the mp links, if possible send a referee in the room instead and observe the match and take a screenshot in-game, I don't like a match ruined because of "dc"
I don't know which team to hype for
I am not sure about how the matches are hosted but can we not rely so much on the mp links, if possible send a referee in the room instead and observe the match and take a screenshot in-game, I don't like a match ruined because of "dc"
Second this, referees should be having the scoreboard (on the left hand side and the right hand side) on the whole time and keeping track of if any of the players disconnected.Karuta- wrote:
Germany and Thailand are so close each of them lost at least one match
I don't know which team to hype for
I am not sure about how the matches are hosted but can we not rely too much on the mp links, if possible send a referee in the room instead and observe the match and take a screenshot in-game, I don't like a match ruined because of "dc"
If the player is still there on the scoreboard after the map ends, while the mp link showed that the player disconnected for whatever reason, then results should still be determined right there since the referee should know who won the map at the end.
p.s. that Hong Kong vs France shenanigans during Bondage Anemonation map IIRC.
Topic Starter
Bancho outputs all scores upon map end. Even disconnect-after-map-end players, that sometimes do not show up on the MP link, are shown there and can be calculated properly
Can we get some up-to-date standings on the groups?
And please update the Wiki page, especially with the link to the results page. Some links are really hard to find if you're not on the stream.
And please update the Wiki page, especially with the link to the results page. Some links are really hard to find if you're not on the stream.
proud that sg managed to win 2 songs against netherlands :3
So you are saying Chaoslitz's score didn't count because it didn't "submit"?Loctav wrote:
Bancho outputs all scores upon map end. Even disconnect-after-map-end players, that sometimes do not show up on the MP link, are shown there and can be calculated properly
forget what I said then
Sala do BR criada , lets go streamers
Group Afartownik wrote:
Can we get some up-to-date standings on the groups?
And please update the Wiki page, especially with the link to the results page. Some links are really hard to find if you're not on the stream.
Mexico - record 0-2 - differential -7
Malaysia - record 2-1 - differential +4
Australia - record 1-2 - differential -3
United States - record 2-0 - differential +6
United States and Malaysia move on, seeding to be decided.
Group B
Italy - record 0-1 - differential -3
Lithuania - record 0-2 - differential -5
Hong Kong - record 2-1 - differential +3
France - record 2-0 - differential +5
Lithuania out.
Group C
Ukraine - record 1-1 - differential -1
Latvia - record 0-1 - differential -3
Canada - record 0-1 - differential -4
Poland - record 2-0 - differential +8
Poland moves on (seed not confirmed technically).
Group D
Philippines - record 0-3 - differential -10
Japan - record 1-2 - differential -4
United Kingdom - record 2-1 - differential +5
China - record 3-0 - differential +9
China (1st seed) and United Kingdom (second seed) move on.
Group E
New Zealand - record 1-2 - differential 0
Argentina - record 0-3 - differential -9
Finland - record 2-1 - differential -1
South Korea - record 3-0 - differential +10
South Korea (1st seed) and Finland (second seed) move on.
Group F
Greece - record 0-1 - differential -4
Norway - record 0-1 - differential -2
Brazil - record 1-0 - differential +2
Russian Federation - record 1-0 - differential +4
Nothing decided.
Group G
Singapore - record 0-3 - differential -7
Thailand - record 2-1 - differential +2
Netherlands - record 2-0 - differential +5
Germany - record 1-1 - differential 0
Singapore out.
Possibilities:
Netherlands wins: Netherlands and Thailand in
Germany wins 4-2 or 4-3: Netherlands and Thailand in
Germany wins 4-1: Germany in other spot depends on score
Germany wins 4-0: Germany and Thailand in
Group H
Portugal - record 1-2 - differential -3
Sweden - record 0-3 - differential -6
Austria - record 3-0 - differential +8
Taiwan - record 2-1 - differential +1
Austria (1st seed) and Taiwan (second seed) move on.
Sorry for any mistakes, I did this quickly. I don't know if the tournament is using placement in groups for round of 16.
Neat. Thanks.
Rip Greece , Boa galera, Brasil nas eliminatórias
Clumsy Thoughts in a nutshell
stream said the whole time that Russia was winning XDfartownik wrote:
Clumsy Thoughts in a nutshell
index played extraordinarily well that matchtbag188 wrote:
stream said the whole time that Russia was winning XDfartownik wrote:
Clumsy Thoughts in a nutshell
-PC please.
Game of Fail : 1st Game >>Lativia 1 player and Canda 2 players,,, Lativia win
Dude after that Hana Tsubomi my hands were so fking shaking. Dude holy shit D:
Thailand > Germany > Netherlands > Thailand ...
What the...
What the...
tell me about itToGlette wrote:
Thailand > Germany > Netherlands > Thailand ...
What the...
Thailand is in off tiebreakers then?
Is there any way to watch matches that aren't on stream?
The game of cup : Brasil 3x3 Rússia,,,tiebraker._..Rip Rússia
Correct, Thailand is in from map differential. Netherlands was knocked out with the 0-4 loss to Germany. Similarly, Russia was knocked out when they lost 3 maps to Brazil.chainpullz wrote:
Thailand is in off tiebreakers then?
probably the best multiplayer game i played, ggwp
Topic Starter
We actually wanted to release a very fancy website with very detailed statistics, but this somehow did not work out, because everything regarding the stream exploded.
However, to deliver an adequate overview for at least the group stage, I will throw this at you as temporary overview
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... Uk/pubhtml
It should live update every 5 minutes.
EDIT: Fixed a few map win/loss counts. I am tired and I am too dumb to count right now lol (and it didnt change the group ranking whatsoever)
However, to deliver an adequate overview for at least the group stage, I will throw this at you as temporary overview
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... Uk/pubhtml
It should live update every 5 minutes.
EDIT: Fixed a few map win/loss counts. I am tired and I am too dumb to count right now lol (and it didnt change the group ranking whatsoever)
excellent Loctav, thanks a lot! Maybe you get the website up next time around. Or maybe already later in this tournament? I'm looking forward to it.
Ty for spreadsheet. Things could be worse. Solomid.net has been stuck with generic forums for the past (3?) years in preparation for a reskin that never happened.Loctav wrote:
We actually wanted to release a very fancy website with very detailed statistics, but this somehow did not work out, because everything regarding the stream exploded.
However, to deliver an adequate overview for at least the group stage, I will throw this at you as temporary overview
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... Uk/pubhtml
It should live update every 5 minutes.
EDIT: Fixed a few map win/loss counts. I am tired and I am too dumb to count right now lol (and it didnt change the group ranking whatsoever)
Casting seemed bland at first but seems to be steadily improving. Props to casting crew for stepping up their game.
Meh i underperformed quite a bit, but whatever. close games against germany and i did have fun playing so i guess i got that going for me
on the bright side i wont have to get up so early again during weekend for matches o/
on the bright side i wont have to get up so early again during weekend for matches o/
Topic Starter
Let me clarify here that this was a cause of really unfortunate combination of circumstances. I know that this might sound as a lame excuse, but the people we wanted to attend were not able to that very first block of matches. Additionally, the people that were forced into it, because the planned ones were not there, literally were half-asleep. Moreover, people in the commentary usually need this very first block to catch up with each other and get into the flow with each other again. Out of experience, the first block of matches usually is a bit more dull than the rest of it, which lies in the nature of things, albeit we try to not make that happen.chainpullz wrote:
Casting seemed bland at first
For the webpage, it was more like the statistics page should have been done already and Marcin was also supposed to stream. The plan was that he streams and that he fills in the data into the website parallely (which would work great, because the website is automated). However, this wasn't the case and we needed the group stage data - so he literally was like getting the site done while streaming the matches, which, as you know, resulted in OBS being a gigantic dick about staying connected to Twitch for whatever reason. (locking CPU or simply disconnecting for no obvious reasons all the time)
We do our best in efforts to dedicate the week into establishing reliable ressources to enhance the viewing experience, along with finishing the statistics website (to offer you detailed stats as requested for a long time already) and improving the play-along of the commentators.
Anyways, I am very proud of how it turned out whatsoever. All matches were successfully played, we had no major issues from the player side of things. However, if players experienced performance-wise issues during the matches, make sure to open a thread in the Help forums, so devs and support team can track them down better!
I hope everyone enjoyed the group stage and the very special stress and thrill during it. If you have anything else to mention that might enhance your experience as participant of this tournament, feel free to poke me.
For now, I'll update the wiki with everything. About the knock-out bracket, I'll throw that on the wiki tomorrow! (applying the teams to the bracket template eats a bit of time and it is really late here, so I want to give out schedules and mappool first, sleep, and then resume with the brackets). I'll let you know here when I issued updates on the wiki.
I'm having troubles trying to find info about owc matches, maybe that should be added onto the wiki?
Yes, a link to
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... pw/pubhtml
in short would be nice to see if it isn't too much work/trouble ^^
(maybe even made fancier hehe - but I think Loctav is working on it anyway)
On a side note: Thank you to all competitors. I am have spent my weekend watching some really nice matches. Good luck to all advancing teams.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... pw/pubhtml
in short would be nice to see if it isn't too much work/trouble ^^
(maybe even made fancier hehe - but I think Loctav is working on it anyway)
On a side note: Thank you to all competitors. I am have spent my weekend watching some really nice matches. Good luck to all advancing teams.
Topic Starter
Wiki has been updated with:
- Mappool + mappack
- Match schedule
- Link to Group Stage statisics (check Links section)
- Commentator List
- Individual match results of Group Stage
Topic Starter
Above unofficial bracket is properly constructed.
You're doing a great job so far. If you get the stability-issues fixed within the upcoming week, this could possibly turn out be one of the greatest tournaments that osu has seen so far, if not the greatest.
Now to my ideas for improvement. Note that theres quite a lot coming, but you asked for it Loctav :p
The scoring system v2
The commentary
Now to my ideas for improvement. Note that theres quite a lot coming, but you asked for it Loctav :p
SPOILER
The new scoring system seems to do a great job at keeping things exciting. First of all, big thumbs up for that. Now the issues I have with it, mainly 2 of them.
1) The pace at which you lose scorepoints with decreasing accuracy, should be higher. It doesn't feel right if 98% and 96% yield almost the same score, I feel like the difference should be bigger here. Since most top-players are able to consistently get an accuracy within 95%-100%, and the difference that these 5% make in terms of score isn't all that big, it barely feels like accuracy is 30% of the score. Accuracy feels less important, because these 30% really don't show unless someone gets below 90% accuracy, which barely happens. I would like it to be a more important part.
2) It is considerably harder to hold a good accuracy with HR (yay sliders). It is widely regarded as being the substantially harder mod in comparison to hidden, but that huge difference in playability doesn't completely show in the players final score. HR is already given a little advantage over HD regarding the score multiplier, but I think HR still deserves a little buff, boosting the score you get when successfully pulling off a HR-play. I don't think that its enough yet. Picking HR seems like a huge tactical mistake under any circumstance at this point.
Other than that, good job. It feels definitely more like a tournament now, more competitive, more fair, better overall. I hand it to whoever came up with this.
1) The pace at which you lose scorepoints with decreasing accuracy, should be higher. It doesn't feel right if 98% and 96% yield almost the same score, I feel like the difference should be bigger here. Since most top-players are able to consistently get an accuracy within 95%-100%, and the difference that these 5% make in terms of score isn't all that big, it barely feels like accuracy is 30% of the score. Accuracy feels less important, because these 30% really don't show unless someone gets below 90% accuracy, which barely happens. I would like it to be a more important part.
2) It is considerably harder to hold a good accuracy with HR (yay sliders). It is widely regarded as being the substantially harder mod in comparison to hidden, but that huge difference in playability doesn't completely show in the players final score. HR is already given a little advantage over HD regarding the score multiplier, but I think HR still deserves a little buff, boosting the score you get when successfully pulling off a HR-play. I don't think that its enough yet. Picking HR seems like a huge tactical mistake under any circumstance at this point.
Other than that, good job. It feels definitely more like a tournament now, more competitive, more fair, better overall. I hand it to whoever came up with this.
SPOILER
Personally, while I think that the commentary started out rather weak, I found it to be very enjoyable later on. Particularly the last block on Saturday was more than I could have ever asked for (amazing job, ztrot and all the others, forgive me for not knowing all of your names already).
Especially the playful banter between the commentators has led the commentary to be very dynamic, interesting, funny and enjoyable.
If you continue in that manner, there is nothing to fear on that front. Well done.
The things that went wrong and can potentially go wrong are rather obvious, so I won't go in depth here. Instead, I have a couple ideas for the commentary, as it seems to run out of ideas some times. Having more things to talk about would obviously make their job significantly easier.
So here it is, Ideas to improve the commentary:
A) Increasing the interactivity with audience and participants
B) Information about the players.
There are at least 8 players present per game, so theres lots of information the commentators could draw out from that.
The commentators already mention many things, but there still is a lot more to say about the people that participate - or about the people that don't participate.
C) Information about the maps.
Doomsday did a good job at giving a quick analysis of the map-pool for the upcoming round. Theres lots of things to be said about maps, and lots of it already gets said, but for the sake of completeness I'll make another list here.
D) Information about the tournament.
Everything viewed on a larger scale.
Commentary is first and foremost a task that relies on smart, thorough and accurate research.
First know what you can talk about -> know where to acquire the information that you miss -> acquire and organize the information -> find the right opportunity to include it in your commentary.
Everyone can pull of commentating what happens at the very moment ("oooh he missed, no! thats gonna be it for team X if they can't turn this around, here comes the long slider!"). Don't get me wrong, at-the-present commentating IS an important part, but it leaves little room for improvement. It's mostly about having a good vocabulary and nice sounding phrases to keep things interesting (its the worst when someone uses the same words over and over again).
Theres quite a bit people can do with their voice too. As a negative example, one of the commentators goes up and down with his voice all the time (the one with the heavy accent, again I apologize for not knowing his name), which I find rather irritating.
Overall, I have been very happy with how this played out. If you could include some of the things that I mentioned, and stay consistent with the things that you already include, this can turn out to be really great.
Alright, thats all I have for now, or rather I don't want to keep writing and eat something instead. Surely theres more to be said or discussed. Have a good one!
Especially the playful banter between the commentators has led the commentary to be very dynamic, interesting, funny and enjoyable.
If you continue in that manner, there is nothing to fear on that front. Well done.
The things that went wrong and can potentially go wrong are rather obvious, so I won't go in depth here. Instead, I have a couple ideas for the commentary, as it seems to run out of ideas some times. Having more things to talk about would obviously make their job significantly easier.
A) Increasing the interactivity with audience and participants
- Involving the participants.
- Invite the captain from a team or any player on chat after the game has ended to discuss the game. I am unsure if they did that yet, since I didn't get to watch all the games, but they didn't do that on the ones that I watched. It would be great to get some comments on the game itself by someone who played it himself.
- Invite the captain from a team or any player on chat before the game has started, to discuss their expectations and possibly how they want to play this game. Then wish them good luck and off they go! - Involving the audience
- Answering questions from chat. Excellent idea, was already done to some degree today. Keep that up, its a great way to make things more enjoyable.
- Strawpolls! Those are easy to make, and can be the starting point for interesting discussions. What team do you root for? Who do you think will win? Etc.
- I bet there are many more things to do with the audience. This might be something worth thinking about for a longer time. - Involving some of the other staff?
- This is a very broad one, basically includes all sort of people that are related to the development of osu. Might be cool for breaks.
B) Information about the players.
There are at least 8 players present per game, so theres lots of information the commentators could draw out from that.
- Did some of the players compete in prior OWC's?
- Are they well-known mappers, maybe? If yes, what are some of their most famous maps?
- Were they in the top10 at some point?
- Is there anything notable about their top-plays? Do they have a top-performance on the map that is currently played, maybe?
- When did they join osu?
- Are they mods themselves, or BAT's or maybe even QAT's?
- What are their strong points, are they hidden or hardrock players, or nomod or DT, or allrounders? What are their weaknesses?
The commentators already mention many things, but there still is a lot more to say about the people that participate - or about the people that don't participate.
C) Information about the maps.
Doomsday did a good job at giving a quick analysis of the map-pool for the upcoming round. Theres lots of things to be said about maps, and lots of it already gets said, but for the sake of completeness I'll make another list here.
- How old are the maps? Are they ahead of their time?
- Who mapped them? Is the mapper known for other, famous maps?
- What about the song? Do we have famous maps that include songs of the same artist? What genre is the song? Is it well known?
- How popular is the map?
- Who holds the top-score on the map? Anything notable about it? Any other famous plays on that map?
- With what mod-combinations is the map popular?
- If it is part of a map-set, is there something to say about the other difficulties?
- Is the map technical, does it have scary jumps or particularly hard parts that many people choke on?
D) Information about the tournament.
Everything viewed on a larger scale.
- If team A wins now, who will the most likely face next? What are their chances next round?
- Who is the underdog in this match, who is expected to win? Or is it even, maybe?
- Take a look at past tournaments. How far did the teams get back then? Did they even participate? Is this currently their "best" tournament?
- What is the role of a team in the whole tournament. Are they popular or unknown? Serious title-contender? Underdog? How was their role in past tournaments?
- Everything about the tournaments organization, schedule, prize-money, the "I support team"-tags that I don't think were advertised at all, so far, the people that are involved with it..
- How does loser-bracket work? (many people don't know how it works. Many many people.)
Commentary is first and foremost a task that relies on smart, thorough and accurate research.
First know what you can talk about -> know where to acquire the information that you miss -> acquire and organize the information -> find the right opportunity to include it in your commentary.
Everyone can pull of commentating what happens at the very moment ("oooh he missed, no! thats gonna be it for team X if they can't turn this around, here comes the long slider!"). Don't get me wrong, at-the-present commentating IS an important part, but it leaves little room for improvement. It's mostly about having a good vocabulary and nice sounding phrases to keep things interesting (its the worst when someone uses the same words over and over again).
Theres quite a bit people can do with their voice too. As a negative example, one of the commentators goes up and down with his voice all the time (the one with the heavy accent, again I apologize for not knowing his name), which I find rather irritating.
Overall, I have been very happy with how this played out. If you could include some of the things that I mentioned, and stay consistent with the things that you already include, this can turn out to be really great.
Alright, thats all I have for now, or rather I don't want to keep writing and eat something instead. Surely theres more to be said or discussed. Have a good one!
canada ^~^
I like seeing a lot of these two particularly but it's also extremely time consuming to dig through all the participants and all the maps and assemble a proper set of notes on them for use in commentating. To aid in this perhaps next year we could have a place where community members could contribute information on specific players (perhaps like a thread per team) and a place for discussion of each map (or pool). That way commentators would be able to probe the thoughts and experiences of the community without having to actually ask around. For each lesser known player there are probably people who they are friends with that could provide a lot of information.Railey2 wrote:
SPOILERB) Information about the players.
There are at least 8 players present per game, so theres lots of information the commentators could draw out from that.Theres lots of things to be said, in fact there are so many things to be said that someone who did all the research would probably not run out throughout a 1 hour game.
- Did some of the players compete in prior OWC's?
- Are they well-known mappers, maybe? If yes, what are some of their most famous maps?
- Were they in the top10 at some point?
- Is there anything notable about their top-plays? Do they have a top-performance on the map that is currently played, maybe?
- When did they join osu?
- Are they mods themselves, or BAT's or maybe even QAT's?
- What are their strong points, are they hidden or hardrock players, or nomod or DT, or allrounders? What are their weaknesses?
The commentators already mention many things, but there still is a lot more to say about the people that participate - or about the people that don't participate.
C) Information about the maps.
Doomsday did a hood job at giving a quick analysis of the map-pool for the upcoming round. Theres lots of things to be said about maps, and lots of it already gets said, but for the sake of completeness I'll make another list here.Lots of this is done already, and that is one of the reasons why I enjoyed the commentary so much this time around.
- How old are the maps? Are they ahead of their time?
- Who mapped them? Is the mapper known for other, famous maps?
- What about the song? Do we have famous maps that include songs of the same artist? What genre is the song? Is it well known?
- How popular is the map?
- Who holds the top-score on the map? Anything notable about it? Any other famous plays on that map?
- With what mod-combinations is the map popular?
- If it is part of a map-set, is there something to say about the other difficulties?
- Is the map technical, does it have scary jumps or particularly hard parts that many people choke on?
I said something about this on one of the group info videos - it's hard to be hyped up about matches involving players you don't know or a map pool you are unfamiliar with. It might just be me, but I care more about the individuals playing than the specific country/team they are playing for.
Agreed. As I said, commentating is a research-heavy task, and as such it is definitely time consuming. So it would be best to split up the wordload, at best between people that already have lots of knowledge. Crowdsourcing is an interesting idea, but I wonder how that would look like in practice.chainpullz wrote:
I like seeing a lot of these two particularly but it's also extremely time consuming to dig through all the participants and all the maps and assemble a proper set of notes on them for use in commentating. To aid in this perhaps next year we could have a place where community members could contribute information on specific players (perhaps like a thread per team) and a place for discussion of each map (or pool). That way commentators would be able to probe the thoughts and experiences of the community without having to actually ask around. For each lesser known player there are probably people who they are friends with that could provide a lot of information.Railey2 wrote:
SPOILERB) Information about the players.
There are at least 8 players present per game, so theres lots of information the commentators could draw out from that.Theres lots of things to be said, in fact there are so many things to be said that someone who did all the research would probably not run out throughout a 1 hour game.
- Did some of the players compete in prior OWC's?
- Are they well-known mappers, maybe? If yes, what are some of their most famous maps?
- Were they in the top10 at some point?
- Is there anything notable about their top-plays? Do they have a top-performance on the map that is currently played, maybe?
- When did they join osu?
- Are they mods themselves, or BAT's or maybe even QAT's?
- What are their strong points, are they hidden or hardrock players, or nomod or DT, or allrounders? What are their weaknesses?
The commentators already mention many things, but there still is a lot more to say about the people that participate - or about the people that don't participate.
C) Information about the maps.
Doomsday did a good job at giving a quick analysis of the map-pool for the upcoming round. Theres lots of things to be said about maps, and lots of it already gets said, but for the sake of completeness I'll make another list here.Lots of this is done already, and that is one of the reasons why I enjoyed the commentary so much this time around.
- How old are the maps? Are they ahead of their time?
- Who mapped them? Is the mapper known for other, famous maps?
- What about the song? Do we have famous maps that include songs of the same artist? What genre is the song? Is it well known?
- How popular is the map?
- Who holds the top-score on the map? Anything notable about it? Any other famous plays on that map?
- With what mod-combinations is the map popular?
- If it is part of a map-set, is there something to say about the other difficulties?
- Is the map technical, does it have scary jumps or particularly hard parts that many people choke on?
I said something about this on one of the group info videos - it's hard to be hyped up about matches involving players you don't know or a map pool you are unfamiliar with. It might just be me, but I care more about the individuals playing than the specific country/team they are playing for.
Really? I checked last year's bracket and it wasn't like #1 of Group A,B,C,D will be in the same area though.Loctav wrote:
Above unofficial bracket is properly constructed.
Like this one:http://puu.sh/lePoX/5ff6f818ed.jpg It's A1/H2 , F1/C2 , E1/D2 , B1/G2 in the same half.
Or you mean this kind of drawing is changed this year?