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osu! World Cup 2015 - Discussion Thread

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ToGlette
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ToGlette

a loli wrote:

Kert wrote:

Being the very best requires you to be able to excel at everything. No, I'm not talking about PP and rankings
have an EZmod pool then.

Also, I don't see a 300+bpm pool either
It is not that I want to say stamina wtf or EZ go away. I just like to add a little spice to Kert's opinion. No need to go that extreme to both sides since only few has achieved them. We can say this player is godly on certain mod, and say "yes they are the best". However, tournament is more like generalizing the players to tournament's standards and ranking them. It would be good to see players able to play 300BPM or EZ but then it will not be a competition because only few outstanding ones can play so we need to adjust it on the both end.

About what jesse said, we are working on this issue and I can say that you might see a positive result.
Kert
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Kert
2ToGlette:
I wasn't suggesting actually adding EZ mappools and stuff like that (that would be a too sudden change for now),
I am just being positive about mappickers' ideas of spicing up the list of maps with something a tad gimmicky : )
buny
3,435 posts
Joined March 2012
buny

Loctav wrote:

Please consider that the Group Stage is considered as mere Qualification stage, seeding all players according to their initial performance into the actual tournament, starting from Round of 16. Only 16 of 32 countries can in fact qualify. Therefore, the Group Stage pool is designed to measure said seeding and to offer a proper qualification stage, hence why it is way easier than what comes from RO16 and further.
Oh I'm glad you answered this in the middle of the mess,

are there going to be plans to change next years OWC then? I'm sure a lot of the OWC players would rather play a bit more difficult maps, especially considering the skill level of the more experienced player base increases every year. The level of the maps in the finals pool last year have increased astoundingly, maps that were in the finals a few years ago would be considered entry level in these times.

I guess this argument is more about me being a bit salty that as a player on a non-seeded team that is most likely going to be knocked out in group stages, it feels like we (teams not expected to win) are being treated as if we're not good enough to play harder maps.
Loctav
Popcorn Fairy
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Joined February 2009
Topic Starter
Loctav
The group stage pool will always be balanced around the average audience playing in it. This includes players hovering in ranks way below Top 1000. It makes no sense to pick maps that may make top 1000 players struggle, but where people below it can not even reasonably compete.

Sure stronger people will always be stronger, but making things way harder than it is right now is just humiliating the lower end of the participating people.
fartownik
2,189 posts
Joined December 2008
fartownik
Someone has made a "Pick'em Challenge" for the OWC on reddit. https://www.reddit.com/r/osugame/commen ... 5_pick_em/

Well, it's something.
Endaris
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Joined June 2010
Endaris
No little girl statistics yet though :/
Daborgia
60 posts
Joined November 2013
Daborgia
Ok Clumsy Thought is a funny and reallly really easy to fail ( dont know how it is in score v2) and there i think no one will pick it, because of its high risk. Other maps are fine
Yauxo
1,622 posts
Joined June 2011
Yauxo

Endaris wrote:

No little girl statistics yet though :/
Well, so far we have (x) in the Background:

Girls: 20 (I guess you could consider 5 of these as "loli")
Guys: 5
Non-Human/Landscape: 2
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ToGlette
Global Moderator
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Joined September 2011
ToGlette

fartownik wrote:

Someone has made a "Pick'em Challenge" for the OWC on reddit. https://www.reddit.com/r/osugame/commen ... 5_pick_em/

Well, it's something.

Wow I didn't expect to see a pick'em in osu! Well, few OWCs before, we had voting games but it is good to see it coming back with new format.
Vuelo Eluko
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Joined October 2013
Vuelo Eluko
little girls are not loli's, loli's do not really exist in real life since it's an adult mind in a child's body.
chainpullz
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Joined June 2013
chainpullz

xxjesus1412fanx wrote:

little girls are not loli's, loli's do not really exist in real life since it's an adult mind in a child's body.
Loli do exist irl. It's just extremely rare for women to not grow above (insert height limit) and have a flat chest. Loli irl are essentially flat chested midgets.
shortpotato
312 posts
Joined December 2011
shortpotato
group stage starting soon hype
Vuelo Eluko
5,484 posts
Joined October 2013
Vuelo Eluko
Do your best everyone. Represent the hopes and dreams of all your countrymen.
Athrun
1,049 posts
Joined December 2013
Athrun
Good luck to all teams! No matter who your opponent is, put in as much effort as needed!
Xayne
240 posts
Joined August 2013
Xayne

ToGlette wrote:

fartownik wrote:

Someone has made a "Pick'em Challenge" for the OWC on reddit. https://www.reddit.com/r/osugame/commen ... 5_pick_em/

Well, it's something.

Wow I didn't expect to see a pick'em in osu! Well, few OWCs before, we had voting games but it is good to see it coming back with new format.
Next up: Osu! World Cup Draft Kings and FanDuel.
SerferPL
4 posts
Joined April 2012
SerferPL
Could someone explain this "Top-high-low-no Seed" thing? What's the deal wit it?
CXu
osu! Alumni
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Joined March 2009
CXu
It spreads out the best teams (according to some metric) so that you basically don't get something like Poland vs. Taiwan or whatever in group stages.
fartownik
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fartownik

CXu wrote:

It spreads out the best teams (according to some metric) so that you basically don't get something like Poland vs. Taiwan or whatever in group stages.
More like, you don't get 3/4 top teams in one group so one or two of them have to go out early.
Minhtam
550 posts
Joined September 2014
Minhtam

fartownik wrote:

CXu wrote:

It spreads out the best teams (according to some metric) so that you basically don't get something like Poland vs. Taiwan or whatever in group stages.
More like, you don't get 3/4 top teams in one group so one or two of them have to go out early.
Mmhmm... How did that work out? #GroupOfDeath #GroupF
Railey2
512 posts
Joined February 2015
Railey2

Loctav wrote:

Please consider that the Group Stage is considered as mere Qualification stage, seeding all players according to their initial performance into the actual tournament, starting from Round of 16. Only 16 of 32 countries can in fact qualify. Therefore, the Group Stage pool is designed to measure said seeding and to offer a proper qualification stage, hence why it is way easier than what comes from RO16 and further.
If your objective is to determine fair seeds (sorting the teams from strongest to weakest and pairing them in a fashion that the supposedly strongest teams can only potentially compete against each other at the very end of the tournament), it should have been in your best interest to pick maps where differences in skill between teams show in the clearest manner (because otherwise you can't accurately sort them from strongest to weakest).

With that in mind, what you said doesn't make sense. If you pick easy maps, you won't be able to assess accurately what team is the best, because their ability to play easy maps converges (each and every one of them will SS the tutorial).
Conversely, their ability to play harder maps diverges: You don't expect someone ranked around 1k to be as good on, lets say Image Material, as someone ranked in the top10.

In other words, you achieved the exact opposite of what you wanted. Your set of easy maps will not be as effective in enabling you to assess differences in skill between players or teams, as a set of harder maps.

Saying that it gets harder later on is completely irrelevant in that context. How difficult the maps later on are, is in no way related to your initial objective (the hopefully fair seeding).
CXu
osu! Alumni
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CXu
Will you add a stream schedule anytime soon (if there isn't one already, that is)? Would be nice to know which games are being streamed.
Loctav
Popcorn Fairy
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Joined February 2009
Topic Starter
Loctav
There is no stream schedule for Group Stages. We decide that momentarily. Sometimes matches do not work out (connection issues, people not showing up, etc.), so making plans ahead is pretty much pointless here. However, we try to cover every team at least once, alas we can't promise it. It decides on the flow and what seems to be the most promising in the current time block.

For future stages, matches do not overlap and all matches will be covered by the stream and therefore the match schedule is equivalent to the stream schedule.
CXu
osu! Alumni
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CXu
Well, I thought you'd have a outline, so we could know what match to expect to see on stream. There was one last year iirc. It'd be convenient for telling friends and stuff.
chainpullz
2,334 posts
Joined June 2013
chainpullz

Loctav wrote:

There is no stream schedule for Group Stages. We decide that momentarily. Sometimes matches do not work out (connection issues, people not showing up, etc.), so making plans ahead is pretty much pointless here. However, we try to cover every team at least once, alas we can't promise it. It decides on the flow and what seems to be the most promising in the current time block.

For future stages, matches do not overlap and all matches will be covered by the stream and therefore the match schedule is equivalent to the stream schedule.
Would it be possible to host all of the concurrent matches even if the commentators are only casting a specific match (ie. more than 1 stream)? I assume any major changes like this would have to wait until next year but I ask nonetheless.
buny
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Joined March 2012
buny

Minhtam wrote:

Mmhmm... How did that work out? #GroupOfDeath #GroupF
The group just happened to get the best team of the lower seed, I'm not too sure why everyone's going around making a meme about it.

It has been stated that Japan had a lot of lower rank players in their lineup, which caused their seeding to be lower than expected.
Minhtam
550 posts
Joined September 2014
Minhtam

a loli wrote:

Minhtam wrote:

Mmhmm... How did that work out? #GroupOfDeath #GroupF
The group just happened to get the best team of the lower seed, I'm not too sure why everyone's going around making a meme about it.
Exactly. #GroupOfDeath.
chainpullz
2,334 posts
Joined June 2013
chainpullz

Minhtam wrote:

Exactly. #GroupOfDeath.
It's not a group of death since Japan sucks this year. Being Japan doesn't magically make up for the fact that most of their top players aren't competing. It's no more a group of death than any of the other groups.
Te Amo
246 posts
Joined January 2013
Te Amo
Best of luck to whoever is participating :D
Kert
2,079 posts
Joined June 2009
Kert
Are we going to play with new slider drawing when using Hidden? Latest stable was just updated with this.
Loctav
Popcorn Fairy
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Joined February 2009
Topic Starter
Loctav
Multi is forced to use the old
Makan1
204 posts
Joined September 2013
Makan1
?_? so does that mean when practicing in solo, its the new HD slider but during the tournament, its with the old??

I ... might... question why lol.



isn't this something only riot does
Tebz188
655 posts
Joined June 2014
Tebz188

Makan1 wrote:

isn't this something only riot does
and everyother major e-sports
Aka
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Aka
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Athrun
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Joined December 2013
Athrun
What is this sorcery.
buny
3,435 posts
Joined March 2012
buny
dream is dead guys, was a very nice match

https://osu.ppy.sh/mp/20091841
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JappyBabes
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JappyBabes
gz malaysia
Athrun
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Joined December 2013
Athrun
Quality stream. Kappa. :3
Sileighty
Sileighty
brazil hype
Yauxo
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Joined June 2011
Yauxo
Still waiting for O-oooooooooo AAAAE-A-A-I-A-U- JO-oooooooooooo AAE-O-A-A-U-U-A- E-eee-ee-eee AAAAE-A-E-I-E-A-JO-ooo-oo-oo-oo EEEEO-A-AAA-AAAA to be picked as a warmup
Aloha
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Aloha
GG Malaysia.
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