.-. mb ur missing the point of a 'strategic pick' have you seen the CTB WC? they had some ar7map which no one could play. they always add one or two interesting maps and I would be curious to see how this map is picked 
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Doesn't even need to be 7*. Just toss save the queen into the map pool. LOLa loli wrote:
Why not add a 7* map to the pool too. I don't see the problem, teams can just ban it if they can't play it!
Having vetos is not an excuse to put gimmick map picks into the pool.
But seriously, every map as it is will probably come down to an acc battle considering the difficulty of the maps compared to the skill of the players. Was hoping the group stage pool difficulty would increase this year to reflect the increase in skill level of players since last year tbh.
Strategic pick or not, a pick that relies on hoping the other team fucks up instead of your own skill is a terrible way to assess the "best team"
second this, the competition has increased a ton over the span of a year. The group stage map picks are still the same difficulty as last years.chainpullz wrote:
Was hoping the group stage pool difficulty would increase this year to reflect the increase in skill level of players since last year tbh.
Regarding how you look at it you're always hoping for the other team to fuck up as there's no way to win a map without them doing so. If you picked the map cause you knew that you would perform better than they could it's also "relying on your own skill".
This is OWC so one should be able to assume that the best teams can perform on every map regardless whether it is "gimmicky" or not. The map itself is very reasonably mapped after all, we're not talking about the level of the Hyadain Chocobo-Map here. Just because it's testing a skill that is irrelevant to pp doesn't mean that it isn't a skill that puts players apart from each other.
Maybe it's just me but I would find an OWC that exclusively consists of Fycho's J-Pop Insanes of appropriate star diff extremely unappealing. While Fycho maps are usually pretty good it would be boring due to the same style all the way through and it wouldn't be about "who is the best at any type of map?" but "who is the best at Fycho maps?". I prefer the former and I like the pick by the map selectors. Looking forward to this map getting played.
This is OWC so one should be able to assume that the best teams can perform on every map regardless whether it is "gimmicky" or not. The map itself is very reasonably mapped after all, we're not talking about the level of the Hyadain Chocobo-Map here. Just because it's testing a skill that is irrelevant to pp doesn't mean that it isn't a skill that puts players apart from each other.
Maybe it's just me but I would find an OWC that exclusively consists of Fycho's J-Pop Insanes of appropriate star diff extremely unappealing. While Fycho maps are usually pretty good it would be boring due to the same style all the way through and it wouldn't be about "who is the best at any type of map?" but "who is the best at Fycho maps?". I prefer the former and I like the pick by the map selectors. Looking forward to this map getting played.
Any hidden pick 90% of the time is the same strategy? Remove hidden from OWC?a loli wrote:
Strategic pick or not, a pick that relies on hoping the other team fucks up instead of your own skill is a terrible way to assess the "best team"
The team choosing it relies on their own skill being better than that of the opposing team, it's perfectly fine.
Also, I agree with Endaris on the mappool. So far it's pretty pleasant to play and it doesn't feel like it's all the same stuff everywhere.
Keep it up!
I don't mind the hd pool, and I don't even know what your first statement is trying to make, since I never said anything about removing hd from the poolKert wrote:
Any hidden pick 90% of the time is the same strategy? Remove hidden from OWC?
The team choosing it relies on their own skill being better than that of the opposing team, it's perfectly fine.
this map is FOUR stars, and its only difficulty comes from its slow pace and low difficulty settings. Of course picking a map, you're going to be relying on your teams skill. This is one of the maps where you're leaning towards the other team randomly breaking rather than your whole team fcing.
The point is, the map selectors could have picked a map that had a higher difficulty rating, while still keeping that gimmicky difficulty preserved. I can't speak for everyone else, but playing some incredibly low bpm, low spaced map for owc is just anti-climactic
You suggested that gimmicky maps shouldn't be in the mappool a few posts above because of this kind of strategy.a loli wrote:
I don't mind the hd pool, and I don't even know what your first statement is trying to make, since I never said anything about removing hd from the pool
Teams differ and some may rely on their own team skill instead. Anything wrong with this?a loli wrote:
this map is FOUR stars, and its only difficulty comes from its slow pace and low difficulty settings. Of course picking a map, you're going to be relying on your teams skill. This is one of the maps where you're leaning towards the other team randomly breaking rather than your whole team fcing.
You probably just don't like slow maps.a loli wrote:
The point is, the map selectors could have picked a map that had a higher difficulty rating, while still keeping that gimmicky difficulty preserved. I can't speak for everyone else, but playing some incredibly low bpm, low spaced map for owc is just anti-climactic
Gimmicky in terms of slow paced with low difficulty settings, yes. I never said hd itself was gimmicky, stop putting words in my mouth
>you probably don't like slow maps
I enjoy low bpm maps with HIGH star difficulty
I would still complain about this map even if it were in nomod
>you probably don't like slow maps
I enjoy low bpm maps with HIGH star difficulty
I would still complain about this map even if it were in nomod
If you stop looking at star difficulty, that'd be great! Thanks in advance. Reasoning provided below:a loli wrote:
I enjoy low bpm maps with HIGH star difficulty
I would add that it also doesn't mean anything in terms of how fun the map is to play.Cherry Blossom wrote:
A 4.25 stars map can be as difficult as a 5.25 stars map, it just depends on the mapping style itself... Just keep in mind that star rating doesn't really mean anything in terms of difficulty for many cases.
a loli, I know you already responded to Cherry Blossom's post, but I just wanted to quote it again, since I totally agree with him.
So? It's still difficult then, right? What difference does it make where that difficulty comes from? Low AR on HD? Well then learn to read low AR on HD!a loli wrote:
The only thing this map has for difficulty is its low AR on hd
What's wrong with using the ingame metric to determine map difficulty? It works well for nearly every map in osu.Gigo wrote:
If you stop looking at star difficulty, that'd be great!
Just because a select few maps are, keep in mind, subjectively harder, doesn't mean every map is, nor does it mean that star rating should be discarded as an inept system. Others may consider this as hard as the other maps, but this is not a map that I would consider harder than 4.5 stars at most.
What a surprise, people have different perspectives of fun! Isn't this what started this whole discussion, a conflict of opinions?Gigo wrote:
I would add that it also doesn't mean anything in terms of how fun the map is to play.
You could argue all you want about strategical picks, unique skillsets etc. I'm just calling the map out how I see it, rather than going in-depth about the strategies around it.
Are you even reading what you write? You're basically saying "anything goes as long as it's difficult".Gigo wrote:
So? It's still difficult then, right? What difference does it make where that difficulty comes from?
No, this isn't osu!s got talent. This is OWC. In x-factor, contestants don't compete with magic tricks, they compete by singing sophisticated songs, and the audience probably don't want to hear contestants singing terrible songs (in this case, maps) either
This is a terrible argumentGigo wrote:
Well then learn to read low AR on HD!
Hey, I may be a shitter but that's not a terrible argument. Reading low AR HD is a desirable skill, remember this is a rhythm game?a loli wrote:
This is a terrible argumentGigo wrote:
Well then learn to read low AR on HD!
explain?
I could map a 200bpm song with only full screen jumps, and respond to people calling the map bad to "learn how to jump 200bpm!"
e/
This is a rhythm game with an AIMING aspect also, not just a rhythmic aspect. This map lacks the aiming aspect, which is a huge reason as to why it's "underrated" (surprise surprise).
0108 style maps are considered underrated firstly because it has a ton of sliders, which aren't calculated properly in star difficulty, and secondly alternating is a pursued playstyle which combined with very spaced objects, makes the map a whole lot harder to players that do not have the appropriate playstyles (i.e. single tappers). Alternating itself is NOT hard imo
This map has only one aspect that is the same as 0108 style maps, which is the slow alternating (or fast single tapping) of the beats. This map does not have a large amount of sliders, does not have huge spacing (the circles overlap each other), and does not have the awkward patterns that are incorporated into 0108 style maps. In short, the things that make 0108 style maps "underrated" are not present in the map that we are discussing
I was exaggerating the low AR in terms of its readability, but it is still below AR9. The difference in AR9 and this maps AR isn't too much to get worked up about, but everything else I say about the map I will stand by my argument.
I would argue that reading low AR HD is not a desirable skill; nearly every ranked map these days with an insane+ difficulty are mapped above AR9. Most maps you are going to play in the higher end of the difficulty spectrum are going to be AR9 or above, reading below AR9 is not a necessary skill to be a top ranked player, but reading AR9 and above is a necessary skill to be a top player (unless there are enough maps below AR9 to get into top 100?)
I could map a 200bpm song with only full screen jumps, and respond to people calling the map bad to "learn how to jump 200bpm!"
e/
This is a rhythm game with an AIMING aspect also, not just a rhythmic aspect. This map lacks the aiming aspect, which is a huge reason as to why it's "underrated" (surprise surprise).
0108 style maps are considered underrated firstly because it has a ton of sliders, which aren't calculated properly in star difficulty, and secondly alternating is a pursued playstyle which combined with very spaced objects, makes the map a whole lot harder to players that do not have the appropriate playstyles (i.e. single tappers). Alternating itself is NOT hard imo
This map has only one aspect that is the same as 0108 style maps, which is the slow alternating (or fast single tapping) of the beats. This map does not have a large amount of sliders, does not have huge spacing (the circles overlap each other), and does not have the awkward patterns that are incorporated into 0108 style maps. In short, the things that make 0108 style maps "underrated" are not present in the map that we are discussing
I was exaggerating the low AR in terms of its readability, but it is still below AR9. The difference in AR9 and this maps AR isn't too much to get worked up about, but everything else I say about the map I will stand by my argument.
I would argue that reading low AR HD is not a desirable skill; nearly every ranked map these days with an insane+ difficulty are mapped above AR9. Most maps you are going to play in the higher end of the difficulty spectrum are going to be AR9 or above, reading below AR9 is not a necessary skill to be a top ranked player, but reading AR9 and above is a necessary skill to be a top player (unless there are enough maps below AR9 to get into top 100?)
If you think that this map is so shiteasy and inappropriate for OWC due to low difficulty pls provide proof by doing a HDSS. I mean it's only 4.08 stars and even when considering reading strain it feels like a 4.5* at best and it is only fucking OD7 so it should be a piece of cake for you to HDSS this as you're able to play MUCH MORE difficult maps.
But what does one see on your profile?
Plenty of FCs on maps from the mappool but on the discussed pick you get an A...
But what does one see on your profile?
Plenty of FCs on maps from the mappool but on the discussed pick you get an A...
Being the very best requires you to be able to excel at everything. No, I'm not talking about PP and rankingsa loli wrote:
I would argue that reading low AR HD is not a desirable skill; nearly every ranked map these days with an insane+ difficulty are mapped above AR9. Most maps you are going to play in the higher end of the difficulty spectrum are going to be AR9 or above, reading below AR9 is not a necessary skill to be a top ranked player, but reading AR9 and above is a necessary skill to be a top player (unless there are enough maps below AR9 to get into top 100?)
Back to this argument, eh?
I can't provide HDSS proof, guess everything I said is invalid now, sorry guys.
Also, I don't see a 300+bpm pool either
I can't provide HDSS proof, guess everything I said is invalid now, sorry guys.
have an EZmod pool then.Kert wrote:
Being the very best requires you to be able to excel at everything. No, I'm not talking about PP and rankingsa loli wrote:
I would argue that reading low AR HD is not a desirable skill; nearly every ranked map these days with an insane+ difficulty are mapped above AR9. Most maps you are going to play in the higher end of the difficulty spectrum are going to be AR9 or above, reading below AR9 is not a necessary skill to be a top ranked player, but reading AR9 and above is a necessary skill to be a top player (unless there are enough maps below AR9 to get into top 100?)
Also, I don't see a 300+bpm pool either
Why are you exaggerating so much? This 4 star HD map isn't close to EZ or 300bpm level of difficulty. Or is it?a loli wrote:
have an EZmod pool then.
Also, I don't see a 300+bpm pool either
it's a direct statement to your "to be best, must be best at everything"
Not an argument people will like but it's a legit one. If you want to test every skill then ez mod pools and things should exist. Obviously we don't actually want to test every skill ever, OWC has always been about reading and aim, very little stamina and speed involved relative to the amount of aim/reading required.a loli wrote:
Back to this argument, eh?
I can't provide HDSS proof, guess everything I said is invalid now, sorry guys.have an EZmod pool then.Kert wrote:
Being the very best requires you to be able to excel at everything. No, I'm not talking about PP and rankings
Also, I don't see a 300+bpm pool either
It's an OWC thread though.a loli wrote:
it's a direct statement to your "to be best, must be best at everything"
But yeah, Player A who is top tier at everything (regular skills?) would be worse than player B who is the same but can also EZ, FL and 300bpm streams
Yes, and ultimately my complaint with this map is it has only reading and (nearly) no aiming. The people that are saying that it's just an underrated map seem to be ignoring the aiming aspect.jesus1412 wrote:
OWC has always been about reading and aim, very little stamina and speed involved relative to the amount of aim/reading required
Honestly I never thought this thread will blow up because of one complaint
Well, you made a generalised statement that you wouldn't deem the map appropriate for OWC instead of saying that you personally dislike it.
I disagree with the former, I think it fits in well but I can see why people might dislike the map.
I wouldn't mind an EZ-pool but EZ needs more popularity to make it reasonable
I disagree with the former, I think it fits in well but I can see why people might dislike the map.
I wouldn't mind an EZ-pool but EZ needs more popularity to make it reasonable
Topic Starter
Please consider that the Group Stage is considered as mere Qualification stage, seeding all players according to their initial performance into the actual tournament, starting from Round of 16. Only 16 of 32 countries can in fact qualify. Therefore, the Group Stage pool is designed to measure said seeding and to offer a proper qualification stage, hence why it is way easier than what comes from RO16 and further.
It is not that I want to say stamina wtf or EZ go away. I just like to add a little spice to Kert's opinion. No need to go that extreme to both sides since only few has achieved them. We can say this player is godly on certain mod, and say "yes they are the best". However, tournament is more like generalizing the players to tournament's standards and ranking them. It would be good to see players able to play 300BPM or EZ but then it will not be a competition because only few outstanding ones can play so we need to adjust it on the both end.a loli wrote:
have an EZmod pool then.Kert wrote:
Being the very best requires you to be able to excel at everything. No, I'm not talking about PP and rankings
Also, I don't see a 300+bpm pool either
About what jesse said, we are working on this issue and I can say that you might see a positive result.
2ToGlette:
I wasn't suggesting actually adding EZ mappools and stuff like that (that would be a too sudden change for now),
I am just being positive about mappickers' ideas of spicing up the list of maps with something a tad gimmicky : )
I wasn't suggesting actually adding EZ mappools and stuff like that (that would be a too sudden change for now),
I am just being positive about mappickers' ideas of spicing up the list of maps with something a tad gimmicky : )
Oh I'm glad you answered this in the middle of the mess,Loctav wrote:
Please consider that the Group Stage is considered as mere Qualification stage, seeding all players according to their initial performance into the actual tournament, starting from Round of 16. Only 16 of 32 countries can in fact qualify. Therefore, the Group Stage pool is designed to measure said seeding and to offer a proper qualification stage, hence why it is way easier than what comes from RO16 and further.
are there going to be plans to change next years OWC then? I'm sure a lot of the OWC players would rather play a bit more difficult maps, especially considering the skill level of the more experienced player base increases every year. The level of the maps in the finals pool last year have increased astoundingly, maps that were in the finals a few years ago would be considered entry level in these times.
I guess this argument is more about me being a bit salty that as a player on a non-seeded team that is most likely going to be knocked out in group stages, it feels like we (teams not expected to win) are being treated as if we're not good enough to play harder maps.
Topic Starter
The group stage pool will always be balanced around the average audience playing in it. This includes players hovering in ranks way below Top 1000. It makes no sense to pick maps that may make top 1000 players struggle, but where people below it can not even reasonably compete.
Sure stronger people will always be stronger, but making things way harder than it is right now is just humiliating the lower end of the participating people.
Sure stronger people will always be stronger, but making things way harder than it is right now is just humiliating the lower end of the participating people.
Someone has made a "Pick'em Challenge" for the OWC on reddit. https://www.reddit.com/r/osugame/commen ... 5_pick_em/
Well, it's something.
Well, it's something.
No little girl statistics yet though :/
Ok Clumsy Thought is a funny and reallly really easy to fail ( dont know how it is in score v2) and there i think no one will pick it, because of its high risk. Other maps are fine
Well, so far we have (x) in the Background:Endaris wrote:
No little girl statistics yet though :/
Girls: 20 (I guess you could consider 5 of these as "loli")
Guys: 5
Non-Human/Landscape: 2
fartownik wrote:
Someone has made a "Pick'em Challenge" for the OWC on reddit. https://www.reddit.com/r/osugame/commen ... 5_pick_em/
Well, it's something.
Wow I didn't expect to see a pick'em in osu! Well, few OWCs before, we had voting games but it is good to see it coming back with new format.
little girls are not loli's, loli's do not really exist in real life since it's an adult mind in a child's body.
Loli do exist irl. It's just extremely rare for women to not grow above (insert height limit) and have a flat chest. Loli irl are essentially flat chested midgets.xxjesus1412fanx wrote:
little girls are not loli's, loli's do not really exist in real life since it's an adult mind in a child's body.
group stage starting soon hype
Do your best everyone. Represent the hopes and dreams of all your countrymen.
Good luck to all teams! No matter who your opponent is, put in as much effort as needed!
Next up: Osu! World Cup Draft Kings and FanDuel.ToGlette wrote:
fartownik wrote:
Someone has made a "Pick'em Challenge" for the OWC on reddit. https://www.reddit.com/r/osugame/commen ... 5_pick_em/
Well, it's something.
Wow I didn't expect to see a pick'em in osu! Well, few OWCs before, we had voting games but it is good to see it coming back with new format.
Could someone explain this "Top-high-low-no Seed" thing? What's the deal wit it?
It spreads out the best teams (according to some metric) so that you basically don't get something like Poland vs. Taiwan or whatever in group stages.
More like, you don't get 3/4 top teams in one group so one or two of them have to go out early.CXu wrote:
It spreads out the best teams (according to some metric) so that you basically don't get something like Poland vs. Taiwan or whatever in group stages.
Mmhmm... How did that work out? #GroupOfDeath #GroupFfartownik wrote:
More like, you don't get 3/4 top teams in one group so one or two of them have to go out early.CXu wrote:
It spreads out the best teams (according to some metric) so that you basically don't get something like Poland vs. Taiwan or whatever in group stages.
If your objective is to determine fair seeds (sorting the teams from strongest to weakest and pairing them in a fashion that the supposedly strongest teams can only potentially compete against each other at the very end of the tournament), it should have been in your best interest to pick maps where differences in skill between teams show in the clearest manner (because otherwise you can't accurately sort them from strongest to weakest).Loctav wrote:
Please consider that the Group Stage is considered as mere Qualification stage, seeding all players according to their initial performance into the actual tournament, starting from Round of 16. Only 16 of 32 countries can in fact qualify. Therefore, the Group Stage pool is designed to measure said seeding and to offer a proper qualification stage, hence why it is way easier than what comes from RO16 and further.
With that in mind, what you said doesn't make sense. If you pick easy maps, you won't be able to assess accurately what team is the best, because their ability to play easy maps converges (each and every one of them will SS the tutorial).
Conversely, their ability to play harder maps diverges: You don't expect someone ranked around 1k to be as good on, lets say Image Material, as someone ranked in the top10.
In other words, you achieved the exact opposite of what you wanted. Your set of easy maps will not be as effective in enabling you to assess differences in skill between players or teams, as a set of harder maps.
Saying that it gets harder later on is completely irrelevant in that context. How difficult the maps later on are, is in no way related to your initial objective (the hopefully fair seeding).
Will you add a stream schedule anytime soon (if there isn't one already, that is)? Would be nice to know which games are being streamed.
Topic Starter
There is no stream schedule for Group Stages. We decide that momentarily. Sometimes matches do not work out (connection issues, people not showing up, etc.), so making plans ahead is pretty much pointless here. However, we try to cover every team at least once, alas we can't promise it. It decides on the flow and what seems to be the most promising in the current time block.
For future stages, matches do not overlap and all matches will be covered by the stream and therefore the match schedule is equivalent to the stream schedule.
For future stages, matches do not overlap and all matches will be covered by the stream and therefore the match schedule is equivalent to the stream schedule.
Well, I thought you'd have a outline, so we could know what match to expect to see on stream. There was one last year iirc. It'd be convenient for telling friends and stuff.
Would it be possible to host all of the concurrent matches even if the commentators are only casting a specific match (ie. more than 1 stream)? I assume any major changes like this would have to wait until next year but I ask nonetheless.Loctav wrote:
There is no stream schedule for Group Stages. We decide that momentarily. Sometimes matches do not work out (connection issues, people not showing up, etc.), so making plans ahead is pretty much pointless here. However, we try to cover every team at least once, alas we can't promise it. It decides on the flow and what seems to be the most promising in the current time block.
For future stages, matches do not overlap and all matches will be covered by the stream and therefore the match schedule is equivalent to the stream schedule.
The group just happened to get the best team of the lower seed, I'm not too sure why everyone's going around making a meme about it.Minhtam wrote:
Mmhmm... How did that work out? #GroupOfDeath #GroupF
It has been stated that Japan had a lot of lower rank players in their lineup, which caused their seeding to be lower than expected.
Exactly. #GroupOfDeath.a loli wrote:
The group just happened to get the best team of the lower seed, I'm not too sure why everyone's going around making a meme about it.Minhtam wrote:
Mmhmm... How did that work out? #GroupOfDeath #GroupF
It's not a group of death since Japan sucks this year. Being Japan doesn't magically make up for the fact that most of their top players aren't competing. It's no more a group of death than any of the other groups.Minhtam wrote:
Exactly. #GroupOfDeath.
Are we going to play with new slider drawing when using Hidden? Latest stable was just updated with this.
Topic Starter
Multi is forced to use the old
?_? so does that mean when practicing in solo, its the new HD slider but during the tournament, its with the old??
I ... might... question why lol.
isn't this something only riot does
I ... might... question why lol.
isn't this something only riot does
and everyother major e-sportsMakan1 wrote:
isn't this something only riot does
...
What is this sorcery.
gz malaysia
Quality stream. Kappa. :3
Still waiting for O-oooooooooo AAAAE-A-A-I-A-U- JO-oooooooooooo AAE-O-A-A-U-U-A- E-eee-ee-eee AAAAE-A-E-I-E-A-JO-ooo-oo-oo-oo EEEEO-A-AAA-AAAA to be picked as a warmup
Hey guys, I missed Austrian vs Taiwan game... Could anybody tell me how it ended?
Mazzerin was a magician! In the Lit-Fra match
Phoni-sama wrote:
Hey guys, I missed Austrian vs Taiwan game... Could anybody tell me how it ended?
Austria v Taiwan result
Austria won 4-1
Yauxo wrote:
Still waiting for O-oooooooooo AAAAE-A-A-I-A-U- JO-oooooooooooo AAE-O-A-A-U-U-A- E-eee-ee-eee AAAAE-A-E-I-E-A-JO-ooo-oo-oo-oo EEEEO-A-AAA-AAAA to be picked as a warmup
ADRENALINE IS PUMPING
Woah, that's nice! Thanks very muchtbag188 wrote:
Phoni-sama wrote:
Hey guys, I missed Austrian vs Taiwan game... Could anybody tell me how it ended?Austria v Taiwan resultAustria won 4-1
rfandomization I hope you're there for out match at least
because this is horrible
because this is horrible
How did Taiwan vs Portugal end?
Taiwan took that from a tiebreak.Houtarou Oreki wrote:
How did Taiwan vs Portugal end?
Singapore put up a really good fight. Nice try.
BRASIL HYPE
Btw, where can I see the actual standing incl. the points?
Or am I just bad in searching? :c
Or am I just bad in searching? :c
no OWC staff just too lazy to make page for thatPhoni-sama wrote:
Btw, where can I see the actual standing incl. the points?
Or am I just bad in searching? :c
I think I have to wait until the end then or maybe it will be added later ^^tryaway wrote:
no OWC staff just too lazy to make page for thatPhoni-sama wrote:
Btw, where can I see the actual standing incl. the points?
Or am I just bad in searching? :c
You can atleast find the mp links and look for yourself here.Phoni-sama wrote:
Btw, where can I see the actual standing incl. the points?
Or am I just bad in searching? :c
how to carry burden teamplaatinum wrote:
im gayAyako wrote:
I am proud to be a Singaporean
Austria At.gif Tw.gif Taiwan 10.00 (10am) 11.00 (11am) UTC +1 18.00 (6pm) UTC +8
New Zealand Nz.gif Fi.gif Finland 10.00 (10am) 22.00 (10pm) UTC +12 12.00 (12pm) UTC +2
Malaysia My.gif Au.gif Australia 10.00 (10am) 18.00 (6pm) UTC +8 20.00 (8pm) UTC +10
Philippines Ph.gif Jp.gif Japan 10.00 (10am) 18.00 (6pm) UTC +8 19.00 (7pm) UTC +9
Singapore Sg.gif De.gif Germany 11.00 (11am) 19.00 (7pm) UTC +8 12.00 (12pm) UTC +1
Thailand Th.gif Nl.gif Netherlands 11.00 (11am) 18.00 (6pm) UTC +7 12.00 (12pm) UTC +1
United Kingdom Gb.gif Cn.gif China 11.00 (11am) 11.00 (11am) UTC +0 19.00 (7pm) UTC +8
Lithuania Lt.gif Fr.gif France 12.00 (12pm) 14.00 (2pm) UTC +2 13.00 (1pm) UTC +1
Italy It.gif Hk.gif Hong Kong 12.00 (12pm) 13.00 (1pm) UTC +1 20.00 (8pm) UTC +8
Portugal Pt.gif Tw.gif Taiwan 12.00 (12pm) 12.00 (12pm) UTC +0 20.00 (8pm) UTC +8
Singapore Sg.gif Th.gif Thailand 13.00 (1pm) 21.00 (9pm) UTC +8 20.00 (8pm) UTC +7
Philippines Ph.gif Gb.gif United Kingdom 13.00 (1pm) 21.00 (9pm) UTC +8 13.00 (1pm) UTC +0
Argentina Ar.gif Kr.gif South Korea 13.00 (1pm) 10.00 (10am) UTC -3 22.00 (10pm) UTC +9
Results ???
New Zealand Nz.gif Fi.gif Finland 10.00 (10am) 22.00 (10pm) UTC +12 12.00 (12pm) UTC +2
Malaysia My.gif Au.gif Australia 10.00 (10am) 18.00 (6pm) UTC +8 20.00 (8pm) UTC +10
Philippines Ph.gif Jp.gif Japan 10.00 (10am) 18.00 (6pm) UTC +8 19.00 (7pm) UTC +9
Singapore Sg.gif De.gif Germany 11.00 (11am) 19.00 (7pm) UTC +8 12.00 (12pm) UTC +1
Thailand Th.gif Nl.gif Netherlands 11.00 (11am) 18.00 (6pm) UTC +7 12.00 (12pm) UTC +1
United Kingdom Gb.gif Cn.gif China 11.00 (11am) 11.00 (11am) UTC +0 19.00 (7pm) UTC +8
Lithuania Lt.gif Fr.gif France 12.00 (12pm) 14.00 (2pm) UTC +2 13.00 (1pm) UTC +1
Italy It.gif Hk.gif Hong Kong 12.00 (12pm) 13.00 (1pm) UTC +1 20.00 (8pm) UTC +8
Portugal Pt.gif Tw.gif Taiwan 12.00 (12pm) 12.00 (12pm) UTC +0 20.00 (8pm) UTC +8
Singapore Sg.gif Th.gif Thailand 13.00 (1pm) 21.00 (9pm) UTC +8 20.00 (8pm) UTC +7
Philippines Ph.gif Gb.gif United Kingdom 13.00 (1pm) 21.00 (9pm) UTC +8 13.00 (1pm) UTC +0
Argentina Ar.gif Kr.gif South Korea 13.00 (1pm) 10.00 (10am) UTC -3 22.00 (10pm) UTC +9
Results ???
So can people now actually believe me that Taiwan isn't a strong title contender?
Where's your BRASIL signatureBlue Dragon wrote:
So can people now actually believe me that Taiwan isn't a strong title contender?
I would love to know what people banned so far as the MP-links show the same picks all the way through.
from the streamed matches I could get this:
so assume that most matches have Yoshiwara and Clumsy Thoughts banned and quite a few of them with anesthesia and S.M.L. banned
EDIT: map pick/ban tables
so assume that most matches have Yoshiwara and Clumsy Thoughts banned and quite a few of them with anesthesia and S.M.L. banned
EDIT: map pick/ban tables
Did people even think they were favored to begin with? I'm pretty sure any informed player would have considered Austria heavily favored to win that match.Blue Dragon wrote:
So can people now actually believe me that Taiwan isn't a strong title contender?
clumsy thoughts is fun ;-;
Oh really? Since you seem to be informed enough, can you enlighten me on why they were considered the stronger team in this match?chainpullz wrote:
Did people even think they were favored to begin with? I'm pretty sure any informed player would have considered Austria heavily favored to win that match.
People still banning the hell out of Yoshiwara Lament, looks like buny wasn't the only one hating the pick.
WWW in room of Portugal VS Austria
WWW : Hi
Portugal : New Portugal ace
Portugal : Polonia help us
R.I.P Portugal
kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
WWW : Hi
Portugal : New Portugal ace
Portugal : Polonia help us
R.I.P Portugal
kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
With the stream being cut off every 10 minutes and the constant "client lag", mixed with the fact that there's nowhere else (as far as i'm aware) to keep up to date on the world cup, I'm finding it difficult to enjoy. Anyone know if this is going to be fixed further into the tournament? I just wanna watch me some circles ;_;
Polônia 3x0 Canada
Polônia ( without Rafis and WWW ) 4x0 Canada
Austria 4x1 Portugal
Polônia ( without Rafis and WWW ) 4x0 Canada
Austria 4x1 Portugal
Gigo wrote:
Oh really? Since you seem to be informed enough, can you enlighten me on why they were considered the stronger team in this match?chainpullz wrote:
Did people even think they were favored to begin with? I'm pretty sure any informed player would have considered Austria heavily favored to win that match.
spoilers I guess
Omgforz and Alumetorz are two of the most consistent players in the world when it comes to tournaments. That's not even mentioning the other top players that round out Austria's roster. When Omgforz is your lowest ranked player that's a good indication that your team is deserving of a top seed.
Taiwan on the other hand struggles to field even 4 consistent players especially with Small K not even competing in today's match against Austria. Even if its the case that Hvick was the most skilled player in that match, tournaments aren't won off sheer skill alone. With the difficulty of the map pool consistency is the only factor that really matters and having Hvick on your team gives you no more advantage than having Omgforz on your team in that department.
I'm not saying "clearly Austria was going to 4-0" but I certainly expected an Austria win with above 50% certainty. It was more of a "how many maps will it take for Austria to pull ahead?" question to me.
Taiwan on the other hand struggles to field even 4 consistent players especially with Small K not even competing in today's match against Austria. Even if its the case that Hvick was the most skilled player in that match, tournaments aren't won off sheer skill alone. With the difficulty of the map pool consistency is the only factor that really matters and having Hvick on your team gives you no more advantage than having Omgforz on your team in that department.
I'm not saying "clearly Austria was going to 4-0" but I certainly expected an Austria win with above 50% certainty. It was more of a "how many maps will it take for Austria to pull ahead?" question to me.
cool people put results into spoilersSuzumiyaBR wrote:
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Was there even a match where Clumsy Thoughts wasn't banned?
I doubt it is anything like client lag, it is either a bug or a latency issue with bancho which can't be fixed (not saying it is impossible but you know?)Karthy wrote:
With the stream being cut off every 10 minutes and the constant "client lag", mixed with the fact that there's nowhere else (as far as i'm aware) to keep up to date on the world cup, I'm finding it difficult to enjoy. Anyone know if this is going to be fixed further into the tournament? I just wanna watch me some circles ;_;
(maybe someone can share their settings for the OBS to improve the quality a bit but that's all I could think of)
interesting to see how some matches become so different with score V2, like Taiwan vs Austria, really convincing victory there
For non-streamed matches I could only hold on to the mp links
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... pw/pubhtml
Endaris wrote:
cool people put results into spoilersSuzumiyaBR wrote:
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The results should be on the first page of that topic
Yep, at least 2 times on the stream(austria vs taiwan and right now argentina vs finland). Yoshiwara Lament at 100% banrate on stream still.fartownik wrote:
Was there even a match where Clumsy Thoughts wasn't banned?
The results should be on the first page of that topicNo, they're on the wiki page.
Endaris wrote:
Yep, at least 2 times on the stream(austria vs taiwan and right now argentina vs finland). Yoshiwara Lament at 100% banrate on stream still.fartownik wrote:
Was there even a match where Clumsy Thoughts wasn't banned?The results should be on the first page of that topicNo, they're on the wiki page.
Where
https://osu.ppy.sh/wiki/OWC_2015
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Should upgrade. so the match ended