None of us are trying to create drama, DrawdeX. However, logical arguments and real discussion are something very lacking in the current osu community, which I consider a particularly large problem. When puxtu created that list, he effectively invited discussion on the issues and reasons that those people in that list might not already be BNs.
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Yeah there seems to be a misunderstanding in puxtu's introductory lines. Not a big deal I say. fix ur gramar dxddddxxxddd
Anyhow, I'm quite surprised - and sort of honored - to be part of the list but I really feel like I'm nowhere near being active enough modding-wise to meet the current BN requirements. Not only that but I'm also quite picky (very heavily 7K biased, and quality-wise) about what I choose to mod which is something I feel shouldn't be as a BN. Maaaaaybe in the future if I stop being a lazy-ass but for now my attention will only be focused on maps I feel are worth keeping an eye on.
okay that sounded elitist as fuck
Anyhow, I'm quite surprised - and sort of honored - to be part of the list but I really feel like I'm nowhere near being active enough modding-wise to meet the current BN requirements. Not only that but I'm also quite picky (very heavily 7K biased, and quality-wise) about what I choose to mod which is something I feel shouldn't be as a BN. Maaaaaybe in the future if I stop being a lazy-ass but for now my attention will only be focused on maps I feel are worth keeping an eye on.
okay that sounded elitist as fuck
Maybe I should reword my sentences to "these people would be the best suited just in case if there is a need for new bn" or something else like that. I know my list won't change anything, but atleast I already stated my opinions.
Bobbias wrote:
None of us are trying to create drama, DrawdeX. However, logical arguments and real discussion are something very lacking in the current osu community, which I consider a particularly large problem. When puxtu created that list, he effectively invited discussion on the issues and reasons that those people in that list might not already be BNs.
Or at least justDrawdeX wrote:
If you guys (the ones on puxtu's list) don't want to be BN, then you could've just said so.
I think the list that puxtu gave is not exhaustive, so you all shouldn't get mad at him for any people he excluded but your felt that deserved to be in. Its definitely not easy to list ALL potential beatmap nominators at the back of your head am i right lel
The fact that he doesnt give a damn about your opinions already means that he isn't super serious about this list, its just his opinion and yeah you can hate on it but it would be good to just suggest users who also deserve to be on puxtu's list with reason - I think there's no point arguing about why some users arent on puxtu's list in its current form.
The fact that he doesnt give a damn about your opinions already means that he isn't super serious about this list, its just his opinion and yeah you can hate on it but it would be good to just suggest users who also deserve to be on puxtu's list with reason - I think there's no point arguing about why some users arent on puxtu's list in its current form.
well i agree to some on your list, but at least reword the topic "List of decent people who are really capable to judging / nominate Osu!mania beatmaps and should be Beatmap Nominators" to avoid any offenses you make.
/me gives kudosu to JamesHappyJamesHappy wrote:
well i agree to some on your list, but at least reword the topic "List of decent people who are really capable to judging / nominate Osu!mania beatmaps and should be Beatmap Nominators" to avoid any offenses you make.
at least things have calmed down now.
That's kind of a pointless post because I for instance didn't know about this post until puxtu pm'ed me on fb with it and guys like Tear, Agka or Yuno aren't as active nowadays if at all.DrawdeX wrote:
Exactly.Hydria wrote:
All puxtu is doing is suggesting new BNs for the list of 14 we have at the moment, picking people with beatmap skill and expertise over activity. Simple as.
If you guys (the ones on puxtu's list) don't want to be BN, then you could've just said so.
Instead of "blah blah blah" here, then "blah blah blah" there, then there wouldn't be any more arguments for this.
It's like girls doing their movie called "World War III", no offense.
I don't really see the point of this list though, if any of mentioned ones want to be BN, they have to fulfil requirements first (which I myself am trying to do atm) and those who don't fulfil them will not be taken into consideration by staff, regardless of how much community wants them to. This post only started this rather heated discussion, which I think would be better if it didn't happen in the first place.
I'm glad that you think of me highly enough to put me on it thought puxtu
I see your point, Kamikaze.-Kamikaze- wrote:
That's kind of a pointless post because I for instance didn't know about this post until puxtu pm'ed me on fb with it and guys like Tear, Agka or Yuno aren't as active nowadays if at all.
I don't really see the point of this list though, if any of mentioned ones want to be BN, they have to fulfil requirements first (which I myself am trying to do atm) and those who don't fulfil them will not be taken into consideration by staff, regardless of how much community wants them to. This post only started this rather heated discussion, which I think would be better if it didn't happen in the first place.
I'm glad that you think of me highly enough to put me on it thought puxtu
And at least you understand what puxtu meant to say.
i can rip now
Wait, suwako already quit mania like months ago (because you know why) and more focus on other game mode, taiko. Not sure if you should keep him on the list or not.
that is exactly what i want to say but... how to English ;w; rip mepuxtu wrote:
Wait, suwako already quit mania like months ago (because you know why) and more focus on other game mode, taiko. Not sure if you should keep him on the list or not.
Quality over quantity. Keep that on your mind.-Kamikaze- wrote:
I don't really see the point of this list though, if any of mentioned ones want to be BN, they have to fulfil requirements first (which I myself am trying to do atm) and those who don't fulfil them will not be taken into consideration by staff, regardless of how much community wants them to. This post only started this rather heated discussion, which I think would be better if it didn't happen in the first place.
It's up to you. lol
Topic Starter
That escalated quickly
Changed Suwako --> Nanatsu
Also, Puxtu, please not that many BN
O!M already has the most out of 3 game modes (not counting std) and we don't need more for that reason
Okay, maybe people who specialise in 'weird' keycounts, like (5, 6, 8, 9), but the Qualification cap will be ridiculous if much more are added
Changed Suwako --> Nanatsu
Also, Puxtu, please not that many BN
O!M already has the most out of 3 game modes (not counting std) and we don't need more for that reason
Okay, maybe people who specialise in 'weird' keycounts, like (5, 6, 8, 9), but the Qualification cap will be ridiculous if much more are added
yeah and almost all of them are inactives thoughBaraatje123 wrote:
Also, Puxtu, please not that many BN
O!M already has the most out of 3 game modes (not counting std) and we don't need more for that reason
Okay, maybe people who specialise in 'weird' keycounts, like (5, 6, 8, 9), but the Qualification cap will be ridiculous if much more are added
Trying to avoid any kind of drama. O!M Ranking is pretty dead right now. Not because the amount of BN's but the amount of inactivity of them.
You can see 4 maps qualified at the moment in O!M, CtB only has 2 tho, but we are still A LOT behind of the other modes despite having a higher amount of BNs
You can see 4 maps qualified at the moment in O!M, CtB only has 2 tho, but we are still A LOT behind of the other modes despite having a higher amount of BNs
oh welljuankristal wrote:
O!M Ranking is pretty dead right now.
If you ask me, you should shorten the list to people who only / mostly concentrate on mania to make it more organized and let people know who they can count on. That's why the Taiko list isn't so big. Though, beside that, the bigger the group, the more people relay to each other.
Additional to this, if mania really has significant problems (since a longer time?) in the ranking process, you could try something like this. Having a Mania Nominator Association with people who are interested and dedicated to bring mania ranking forward. If there is any interest from side of the mania community and BNs, I could try to help you in this matter, as Taiko had the same problems for months, and now our situation has become much better.
Have a picture of how the structure is.
Additional to this, if mania really has significant problems (since a longer time?) in the ranking process, you could try something like this. Having a Mania Nominator Association with people who are interested and dedicated to bring mania ranking forward. If there is any interest from side of the mania community and BNs, I could try to help you in this matter, as Taiko had the same problems for months, and now our situation has become much better.
Have a picture of how the structure is.
I was thinking about it actually, I would offer myself to help in the organization of it and of course taking part modding. Might not be the best modder over here but I want to push mania foward.OnosakiHito wrote:
If you ask me, you should shorten the list to people who only / mostly concentrate on mania to make it more organized and let people know who they can count on. That's why the Taiko list isn't so big. Though, beside that, the bigger the group, the more people relay to each other.
Additional to this, if mania really has significant problems (since a longer time?) in the ranking process, you could try something like this. Having a Mania Nominator Association with people who are interested and dedicated to bring mania ranking forward. If there is any interest from side of the mania community and BNs, I could try to help you in this matter, as Taiko had the same problems for months, and now our situation has become much better.
Have a picture of how the structure is.
I talked about it with Loctav a while ago actually and this is possibly the best idea to resolve most of "finding BNs who aren't busy/inactive is impossible" problem. I'm all in!
OnosakiHito wrote:
If you ask me, you should shorten the list to people who only / mostly concentrate on mania to make it more organized and let people know who they can count on. That's why the Taiko list isn't so big. Though, beside that, the bigger the group, the more people relay to each other.
Additional to this, if mania really has significant problems (since a longer time?) in the ranking process, you could try something like this. Having a Mania Nominator Association with people who are interested and dedicated to bring mania ranking forward. If there is any interest from side of the mania community and BNs, I could try to help you in this matter, as Taiko had the same problems for months, and now our situation has become much better.
Have a picture of how the structure is.
I'd like to see this happen.
This would be very nice for mania. I definitely support this.OnosakiHito wrote:
If you ask me, you should shorten the list to people who only / mostly concentrate on mania to make it more organized and let people know who they can count on. That's why the Taiko list isn't so big. Though, beside that, the bigger the group, the more people relay to each other.
Additional to this, if mania really has significant problems (since a longer time?) in the ranking process, you could try something like this. Having a Mania Nominator Association with people who are interested and dedicated to bring mania ranking forward. If there is any interest from side of the mania community and BNs, I could try to help you in this matter, as Taiko had the same problems for months, and now our situation has become much better.
Have a picture of how the structure is.
Topic Starter
That will definitely fix the issues mania has, just as CtB
Good idea!
Good idea!
Great Idea! I support this!
Fix issues? Make things better? I see the opposite happening.
I think I understand your point but, why? Explain yourself a bit so we can do something good or just see why this is not going to work. If we are going to do something like this we need feedback imo.neonat wrote:
Fix issues? Make things better? I see the opposite happening.
that's exactly same what we had before but not now. t/253778OnosakiHito wrote:
If you ask me, you should shorten the list to people who only / mostly concentrate on mania to make it more organized and let people know who they can count on. That's why the Taiko list isn't so big. Though, beside that, the bigger the group, the more people relay to each other.
Additional to this, if mania really has significant problems (since a longer time?) in the ranking process, you could try something like this. Having a Mania Nominator Association with people who are interested and dedicated to bring mania ranking forward. If there is any interest from side of the mania community and BNs, I could try to help you in this matter, as Taiko had the same problems for months, and now our situation has become much better.
Have a picture of how the structure is.
yeah that's right. the problem is there aren't enough BN who are active.Nanatsu wrote:
that's exactly same what we had before but not now. t/253778OnosakiHito wrote:
If you ask me, you should shorten the list to people who only / mostly concentrate on mania to make it more organized and let people know who they can count on. That's why the Taiko list isn't so big. Though, beside that, the bigger the group, the more people relay to each other.
Additional to this, if mania really has significant problems (since a longer time?) in the ranking process, you could try something like this. Having a Mania Nominator Association with people who are interested and dedicated to bring mania ranking forward. If there is any interest from side of the mania community and BNs, I could try to help you in this matter, as Taiko had the same problems for months, and now our situation has become much better.
Have a picture of how the structure is.
making a new group and rules will be better imo
How about make a polling like we just did.. hm it's only my opinion. Also fix some rules that we didn't have before. Tbh i don't know why the polling system was changed~ Rip me
Mania Nominator Association
I can't see the future with it lol
Slap me
I can't see the future with it lol
Slap me
I cant really see a future right now either[GraveChaos] wrote:
Mania Nominator Association
I can't see the future with it lol
Slap me
It might look simple, but what juankristal said is actually one of the biggest reason we did it in Taiko. You could test it if you guys want. If it doesn't work, you know it at least.
Btw. there is a CtB Modder Association now with own trello and discord.
Btw. there is a CtB Modder Association now with own trello and discord.
ofc
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OnosakiHito wrote:
If you ask me, you should shorten the list to people who only / mostly concentrate on mania to make it more organized and let people know who they can count on. That's why the Taiko list isn't so big. Though, beside that, the bigger the group, the more people relay to each other.
Additional to this, if mania really has significant problems (since a longer time?) in the ranking process, you could try something like this. Having a Mania Nominator Association with people who are interested and dedicated to bring mania ranking forward. If there is any interest from side of the mania community and BNs, I could try to help you in this matter, as Taiko had the same problems for months, and now our situation has become much better.
Have a picture of how the structure is.
I'd like to see this happen.
Allright, I am allready thinking about making the Mania Nominator Association happend. I allready talked with some modders but I still want to know more peoplee who are able and wants to join as well. I will try to catch Ono this days to talk deeper about stuff (such as trello).
So if someone here wants more info or have some feedback please post in here or catch me ingame!
So if someone here wants more info or have some feedback please post in here or catch me ingame!
I've had a talk with juan over this and if it's ran by the right people with everyone not going afk, I'm sure it can work out, the main difference between a taiko/ctb nomination queue and a mania nomination queue is the different keymodes as some (like myself) only specialize in modding 1 key mode so voting can be biased to a keymode (as well as a lot of other things ofc but that's already been discussed).
Everything's got to be just right for this to be a success. No pressure. I'm ready to see what happens though. Good luck. [ 'w']b
Everything's got to be just right for this to be a success. No pressure. I'm ready to see what happens though. Good luck. [ 'w']b
Well if you guys are planning to make this happened (Mania Nominator/Modding Association) then i'm willing to help with all that i can help~
Didn't see that announcement wtf lmao
Didn't see that announcement wtf lmao