Irreversible wrote:

Hello Fort!

As you know, the new qualification process involves a lot of discussing with the community. This is why I'd like to give this map the opportunity to have further things talked about, seeing that people are actively giving good inputs which should be furtherly discussed.

While we are at it, let me also point out some things:

Terror Relinquished

1. First thing that comes into my mind is the ongoing 1/2 spam, while you are actually ignoring many interesting aspects of the song.
   03:53:313 (1) - Taking this as an example, this song has a lot more to offer than what you actually placed. Why did you decide to have continuous 1/2? i dont get it why this thing can be unrankable because it has same beats with really better density of maps, probably im made that to make players can stable at game when they will be deal with this again 04:00:993 (1) - so i didnt put much repetitive pattern like 04:00:993 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - too much on 03:53:313 - - first of all, none of the points made in this QAT post are considered "unrankable." The map is DQ'd to have discussion and reach a consensus on the patterns and design in the map. There is no reason to deny a QAT post due to things not being unrankable. Secondly, the whole map is 1/2 spam at its finest. Mentioning stability and preperation doesn't mean much as the whole is just jump spam in 1/2.
   
2. Another thing is, that you could emphasize certain spots of the song way better.
   00:35:553 (1) - This for instance, could somehow be distinguished from the rest? You should keep in mind that you should follow the song as close as possible, and not just have a jump map for the sake of it. to be honest i was trying put that reverse slider on song but i think it's really sudden to expect because 00:32:673 (1,1,1,1,1) - pattern like this literally same with it and because it's a very high BPM im prefer to make 1/2 slider to prevent some missread at hish slider velocity and high Approach rate map, so why people complain this simple thing?? - you underestimate players. With AR 10, reading shouldn't be a huge problem even in high bpm like this.. Players aren't as braindead you would think. Personally, I think a triple would work best here.
   
3. Placement is also something that could be way more polished at many spots: 03:16:593 (4,5,1) - Why is this spacing immensly bigger than the rest? It does not corresponded with the song at all, hence why it makes really less sense. Placement does really need a lot of polishing. 03:08:913 (6,7) - it same like this pattern doesnt it? so im put more jumps and more speed to emphasize more because on 03:15:873 (1,2,3) - has quite far jumps - the question is, why is there an increase in spacing and speed in that part in the first place. Sure you want to increase the spacing due to the sliders, but in the first place, you did the same part with circles instead 03:08:193 (1,2,3,4) with much lower spacing.

Fort wrote:

i didnt ignore the song, i prefer strong one
the strong one has quite 1/2 pattern
so it can be possible if i didnt map 1/4 pattern
it makes this map more harder with more complex patterning

Enon wrote:

It don't ignored the song. This map is really fit with the song and playable!

Just it's difficult to the player who don't have high skill.

It seems like you are just blocking "very hard map"

I think you are always seems hate what that "very hard map" be ranked map.

buny wrote:

The only problem I have with relinquished is this part here,

03:30:273 (1,1,2) -

the spacing is WAY too deceiving, because the slider and note are 1/4 apart but everything else is 1/2 apart and the same spacing. The rest of the map is also mapped at 1/4 so the 1/2s are just sudden, and they caught me out in every play that I didn't remind myself they were 1/2s. yeah but looks this part can be good easy patterning part for this map, so this one can be interesting at mapping - I actually would suggest you decrease the sapcing between the slider and the circle due to a lack of a spacing emphasis on that part.

Fort wrote:

just read this please believe me, im really sure my maps is playable there is no massive problem with this map since it's not really consistent but it designed to make players feel free to play songs and really i think this post is not really strong enough to proof this map is unranked because subjectives

byfar wrote:

>backseat mapping

Irreversible wrote:

While we are at it, let me also point out some things:

Terror Relinquished

1. First thing that comes into my mind is the ongoing 1/2 spam, while you are actually ignoring many interesting aspects of the song.
   03:53:313 (1) - Taking this as an example, this song has a lot more to offer than what you actually placed. Why did you decide to have continuous 1/2?
   Honestly, this is so subjective. I personally think (most) of the objects are very well placed and the circles/sliders follow the beat just fine
   
   
2. Another thing is, that you could emphasize certain spots of the song way better.
   00:35:553 (1) - This for instance, could somehow be distinguished from the rest? You should keep in mind that you should follow the song as close as possible, and not just have a jump map for the sake of it.
   partially agreed, some slider can definitely be changed to 2 hit circle or more emphasised jump
   
   
3. Placement is also something that could be way more polished at many spots: 03:16:593 (4,5,1) - Why is this spacing immensly bigger than the rest? It does not corresponded with the song at all, hence why it makes really less sense. Placement does really need a lot of polishing.
   it emphasises the doot doot doot beats right after it, feels very good to play imo

byfar wrote:

>backseat mapping

buny wrote:

The only problem I have with relinquished is this part here,

03:30:273 (1,1,2) -

the spacing is WAY too deceiving, because the slider and note are 1/4 apart but everything else is 1/2 apart and the same spacing. The rest of the map is also mapped at 1/4 so the 1/2s are just sudden, and they caught me out in every play that I didn't remind myself they were 1/2s. yeah but looks this part can be good easy patterning part for this map, so this one can be interesting at mapping

ktgster wrote:

I actually would suggest you decrease the spacing between the slider and the circle due to a lack of a spacing emphasis on that part.

buny wrote:

The posts in this thread are disgusting. I believe people that can't see past "1/2 spam" don't have the right to mod this difficulty. Who are you to tell the mapper that he/she is mapping wrong? A mapper maps what they think fits the music, not what you think. Not sure how to say this without the least offense, but modders that can't play the map how it is meant to be played will not have full understanding of the map, as it could look like shit on paper, but amazing in gameplay

Spaghetti wrote:

Osuology wrote:

rofl it's not your map stop backseat mapping. ignoring it does cause conflict but it's not unrankable and fort and I both like it this way and many other people like it this way. please just shut up (no offense) but stop doing this it only makes you look worse

why tf do you have it out for me so badly wtf did i do to you

do you even know what backseat mapping is, if what i said was backseat mapping i guess every form of constructive critisism is backseat mapping

there's like a million people on this thread that agree with me and say similar things and you always pick on me for some reason

plus you're saying i look bad when seriously everybody disagreed with what you said and made a meme out of it leave me alone j e e z

Smoothie World wrote:

Osuology wrote:

=
rofl it's not your map stop backseat mapping. ignoring it does cause conflict but it's not unrankable and fort and I both like it this way and many other people like it this way. please just shut up (no offense) but stop doing this it only makes you look worse

1) You can't tell someone to shut up and then say no offense. That doesn't make it better. Look, I meant no offense at all. I just don't want him to look worse in my eyes.
2) Suggestions =/= backseat mapping. Are all mods backseat mapping then? No, but saying "map it this way or it just won't work and is not cool" is wrong.
3) Just because something isn't unrankable doesn't mean it's good by any means. It's good to whoever made it

Seriously, people like this that immediately shut down any suggestions frustrate me. Any suggestions help, even if you don't agree with them.

I'll be modding the hardest difficulty tonight or tomorrow.

Fort wrote:

oke, aku pusing

Spaghetti wrote:

No matter how much the mapper likes it, if it's not of good quality, it is not entitled to ranking. Ranking is a privilege, and you must follow the simple criteria that comes along with it. If so many people, and a large chunk of very experienced people, think the 1/2 spam and the HP 2 is an issue, it must be an issue. If Fort decides to disregard this advice, that's okay, but the map will not reach the standards that it takes for a map to be included into the osu! ranking algorithms.

Ppuskalin wrote:

8☆ Maps are soo hard for rank #100+ please
STOP WITH YOURS 8☆ MAPS!!!

Ppuskalin wrote:

Osu - Newbies Mappers = No Crazy Maps

Baraatje123 wrote:

Also, jumps can't be random
They need to fit, and give proper emphasis

wendao wrote:

Baraatje123 wrote:

Also, jumps can't be random
They need to fit, and give proper emphasis

Fort, gw ngerti lah kalo lu emang doyan bikin random-circle-placement yang lu sebut sebagai jump
tapi ingetlah, lu bikin map buat komunitas osu!, bukan buat kesenangan sendiri, terlebih kalo lu berniat untuk men-rank-kan beatmap lu

yha... gw seneng sama teknik jump lu yang mempunyai kesan tersendiri setiap memainkannya, mempunyai emphasis tersendiri (walaupun pemikiran lu tentang emphasis sebuah map beda dengan yang lainnya), well seenggaknya dibikin rapih lah, juga dibikin pattern, biar ga bentar-bentar udah kemana lagi itu objek map

dan lu mesti tau lagu yang lu map ini bukanlah lagu weeb biasa yang BPM nya dibawah 200, sehingga lu mesti jaga diff extra (atau super extra, apalah itu) lu supaya ga berlebihan (overmap), karena ya, semua yang berlebihan itu ga baik

nobody hated u, they just feel uneasy with your map

jujur aja gw termasuk kedalam pihak yang ga nyaman dengan map lu

special note: jikalau emang lu maksa, silahkan abaikan pesan ini... ya gw harap jangan sampai lu dibenci komunitas lah (hint: bd)

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no mod no kds, thank you

Fort wrote:

i think this map will be dead (again)
okay guys, dismiss. lets forget everything

Smoothie World wrote:

If he doesn't want to rank it, please, don't keep asking him to. It's his decision, and tons of people saying "noooo rank it" isn't going to do anything. The map is still here. It's playable. If he wishes not to rank it again, then so be it.

Fort wrote:

lol for what this map ranked if this map just only for pp?
guys this is just a game, yeah since im enjoying a lot of this map.

yeah just relax, Ranked maps just optional objectives for me, im really enjoyed mapping instead of ranked some maps
just stay tune, i have lot of maps which can be enjoyed by you guys, so stay tune :3

Fort wrote:

lol for what this map ranked if this map just only for pp?
guys this is just a game, yeah since im enjoying a lot of this map.

yeah just relax, Ranked maps just optional objectives for me, im really enjoyed mapping instead of ranked some maps
just stay tune, i have lot of maps which can be enjoyed by you guys, so stay tune :3

Rilene wrote:

Fort wrote:

lol for what this map ranked if this map just only for pp?
guys this is just a game, yeah since im enjoying a lot of this map.

yeah just relax, Ranked maps just optional objectives for me, im really enjoyed mapping instead of ranked some maps
just stay tune, i have lot of maps which can be enjoyed by you guys, so stay tune :3

I understand but well, since you went this far...
How about rank it? I mean it would be a waste of time, work and stars spent on this map.

Yuii- wrote:

don't surrender.

Xpockets wrote:

Dear Uncle Fort

Arphimigon wrote:

Xpockets wrote:

Dear Uncle Fort

family confirmed

Frostcage wrote:

https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3970835 LOOK HOW CLOSE I WAS TO PASSING TERROR RELINQUISHED

PatZar wrote:

Ppuskalin wrote:

8☆ Maps are soo hard for rank #100+ please
STOP WITH YOURS 8☆ MAPS!!!

Ppuskalin wrote:

Osu - Newbies Mappers = No Crazy Maps

>too hard, i dont think so, my friends still can pass it with around 4000-5000 STD rank...
>stop with yours 8* maps, if you can't play this map, SO STOP THE FUCKING OF YOUR ARGUMENTS, it's useless as your ass wtf,

Sorry for bump

MRaihanZ wrote:

Semoga entar bisa ranked....
Gw heran udah nemu 3 map (termasuk ini) di tahun 2016 yang *8++ dengan jump dan 2 map itu udah ranked
Semoga bisa jadi best map 2016