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VanillaVilla
I do prefer the current forum over this new design, HOWEVER, I must say that the new userpages look really really nice. Really liking the userpage design over there :)
Ikarugamesh
I like it, however some things seem they need some adjustements or fixing to me. For example:

- I don't mind the lack of paging and continous scrolling, however I don't like the top header of the page (you know, the links of community, store, account controls) not being fixed like the navigation controls. If I wanted to access them in a very long thread, I would have to scroll the page to the very top. It's not pleasant.

- I find the forum body too narrow. Yeah, the old one was narrow too, but in my screen, it only takes half of it.

- Not a big issue, but I liked to see the post count of each user in the posts, you know, where the user name, avatar and country flag are.

Nevertheless, I think the new design is quite beautiful and rich. I have yet to try it on my tablet, though.

Cheers!

PS: Why is it called jizz? That's slang for, you know.
Granger
Design wise its pretty but i have my gripes with it.

First and foremost, it looks like its made for smartphones. Things are oversimplified and for the most part not inutive.
As example is this navigation bubble which doesnt actually let you navigate anything, the header that looks like it would have dropdowns for more options but doesnt. Spoilers that dont highlight nor animate on hover to signify that they're clickable.

The color sheme is fancy but unfriendly to the eyes, particulary the white background of the posts area stands out there and hurts in the eyes, please use a less bright and intense color, a light grayish blue like on the current forum is much easier on the eyes.
On the profile pages where the about me begins, the dark gray background does magnify the effect of the white background in the main area. I get what you were going for design wise, but perhaps it would be better to gradually darken the outer background as you scroll down and instead keep the dark gray bar at the width of the active area. Also, fade the bar out when the user scrolls down and only fade it in when the user hovers near the top of the page - or make it less thick.

Moving on to the index page and more to the functionality side of things, i get the feel that the space is badly and inefficently used, it does look good and all, but userexperience should go before design. As suggestion, decrease the border between the invidual boards - currently you could fit two if not three lines of text there, too much. Again, a designed for mobile feel comes up - things are bigger than they should be.
Likewise on list of threads - decrease the distance between them. This continues further in the threads themselfes, 2 posts with oneliners fit just barely on my screen, altough here its mostly due the increased font size - decreasing the font size by one would help with the longer posts but one liners and short posts, especially those from users without signature have the issue of empty space.

Whats with these 2 cm of nothing? cut that off.

Similary with posts such as this:

The supporter heart should be next to the flag and the signature under the text, next to the avatar border thingy. Dont leave it sticking out like a sore thumb unless the text pushes it out.


More empty, unused, wasted space i have to scroll past, this should be almost half as thick. Same applies to the Pippi header on the index (but its far less worse here, it just needs to be a bit thinner, nothing as severe as half as thick) - from a users side its space you have to scroll past before you can do whatever you wanted to do. A nuisance in the long run.

Then of lastly and finally, theres features outright missing i understand its WIP but... Where are the maps on the profile? changing avatar? PMs? Where do i access the user control panel for changing settings? Where do i click to see the oldest unread post in a thread? Subscribing to threads? I could go on for ages - not even half the functionality is here.
...Pages? Even semi paigation where you just jump 20 posts or so would be A START.

Have a simple ticker under/above the navigation bubble that scrolls right by one page for every 20 post count. Replace the jump to first/last post of the bubble with jump 20 posts forward/backwards and let the ticker take care of the jump to first/last post. Make the post count pop up the jump to post, rather than linking the current post (its just more inutive), add post numbers to the posts themselfes to take care of the direct linking instead. Possibly fade the ticker, the current jump-to-bubble (yes keep it, accessibly is good) and any other bubbles you want to add out unless the user hovers on the bubble. Long story short: Make the navigation bubble actually let you navigate the thread rather than being a needlessy fancy post counter. Hell, i might just swish something together on photoshop to illustrate what im talking about here.

Make infinite scrolling preload 5 or so posts into either direction (even if they're not being displayed) to smooth the infinite scrolling, rather than having the user bump to the end of either side to load more (but keep that as fallback should the user scroll too fast). Give users the option to opt out of infinite scrolling to save bandwidth (they gotta use the bubbles pseudo pages then). Remove the OP post being displayed unless the user is on the first "page", with infinite scrolling theres no feasible way to view the OP to begin with (aside from being at the beginning of the thread.

Get the functionality down first THEN polish the thing. As is, its way too early to promote it on all pages of the old design. This id call an alpha relase at best. Definitively not useable for the broad userbase right now.

On the bright side, the loading image is nice. Yes, i dont like the new design.
peppy
If white hurts your eyes, you need to TURN DOWN YOUR MONITOR BRIGHTNESS.

The "simplicity" is not because it was made for phones. It's to make it simple.

Missing features are because it's a WIP. Are you retarded? Stop posting in a feedback thread without understanding what you are looking at first, please.

It's called jizz because I chose that for the testing subdomain. It's a WIP and will eventually replace the original site (and no longer be fjizz?).

Infinite scrolling is not going anywhere, but the navigation control (bottom right) is not final.
Dephiy
In terms of looks, its pretty nice in my opinion, but it still needs some work so its more user friendly. More customization features such as an option to change the colour for background might be pretty neat to have as well.
Garven
So far it's quite nice on the eyes. The pagination works smoothly on browser and phone, and the color scheme makes each post pop out quite well. Too bad the content of said posts can be hit or miss, haha.

I am curious to see how you handle the menu items and the user/beatmap searches with this design as I found that I was missing those fairly quick into testing.

I wonder how it handles embedded spoiler boxes
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Granger

peppy wrote:

If white hurts your eyes, you need to TURN DOWN YOUR MONITOR BRIGHTNESS.

The "simplicity" is not because it was made for phones. It's to make it simple.

Missing features are because it's a WIP. Are you retarded? Stop posting in a feedback thread without understanding what you are looking at first, please.

It's called jizz because I chose that for the testing subdomain. It's a WIP and will eventually replace the original site (and no longer be fjizz?).

Infinite scrolling is not going anywhere, but the navigation control (bottom right) is not final.
I assure you i know what im looking at here, i even said i know its WIP; i've mentioned the missing features as it ties into how the new design is not fit for mass testing yet, at least in my oponion.

Simplicity is good, but it just feels too simple, too spacious just as if it would be for smart phones where massive and extremely simple interfaces are a neccesity due the small screens. Its something worthy of improving as such would largely be uneccesary for desktop systems - you can easily fit more information and more advanced functions on the screen here without running into issues regarding useability.

Im looking forward to the updated navigation bubble! Just to clear eventual misunderstandings, im not suggesting to remove infinite scrolling, but to support it with pseudo pages for more efficent navigation. Infinite scrolling is neat.

And regarding the brightness... sure, i could do that but then again, having the users bend to and change their brightness up and down as they visit various websites is not exactly userfriendly. 100% pure and shining white is just a harsh color for large areas, like, say neon pink, so im suggesting you to use something less harsh, giving the white a tint of blue or some other color might just work.
Monstrata
I like the new forum design. And it's WIP too. Looking forward to the end result.

I have to agree though, using jizz is really unprofessional and I really hope it will be changed when officially released. Otherwise i'd really have trouble introducing friends to the site and I'm sure others would too :P.
Pako
I really like it but well...
1. What are these moving triangles at the top doing? They look, in my opinion, a bit ugly and irritating.
2. I just dislike the color pink.

Other than that It is extremely AWESOME! especially because it's so minimal.

#EDIT:
I don't have to care about what I dislike about the design anymore. Started skinning it right now.
HappyRocket88
The current forum doesn't look that bad. what I think it happens we're used to this forums template so it can come weird to us. Remeber best things take their own time.
Arzenvald
looks a lot more eye-catchy and looks more modern.. i really like the profile page tho.. <3
can't wait until the new-fully-working forum released, and can't wait to see the big change of the homepage too!
Vuelo Eluko
rip anyoner who uses firefox and/or has an old CPU, infinite scrolling is absolute hell, the farther you go the worse you lag. At least it's been that way on every other website ive ever used that had it. Maybe the overly simple design was an attempt at optimization, but i believe we've lost more than we've gained from it.

Although im sure it's better for people who are on their iphones at work and want to just swipe down over and over while they loudly chew their bubblegum, I can't see how anyone sitting in front of a computer using anything but the screen for input can find this better. Navigating is a lot harder overall, at least for someone like me who uses a PC with a mouse+kb.

I can appreciate that you put a lot of hard work into this peppy, you really do put in the time for us, but it's not about just pushing content out it's about making sure it's wanted in the first place as well.

I love you, Peppy.
ProgrammerSocks
I like having pages. It makes things easier for me to parse, especially for long threads. But I'm not a dev, and I don't use the forum all that much, so I can accept the new layout as inevitable.

But still, we have to agree, there is one objectively superior layout for every given forum. In this case, it would be the one Peppy chooses, since he's the leader. If he wanted someone's opinions, he would personally contact them. Disagreement over things that aren't going to change divides the community, and distracts from topics that will have an effect.

It would be nice if Peppy could make a list of things he knows to be factual, then the mods could ban people when they say something wrong instead of letting their idiocy rot the board. But I'm not a mod, so I have to assume things are better this way. Thinking anything current might be bad is only an admission of ignorance.
piruchan
Overall I think there are too many wasted space.

I agree with everyone who thinks posts are too narrow. White space on the right side of each post needs to be trimmed off a bit.


A separation between the avatar area and post area would be nice. Right now everything is on a white background and it feels like they're just thrown there creating a mess. Something along the line of the current forums with different background colors would be nice.

I personally dislike the avatar box thing. The contrast with the background is way too high and it looks bulky. I suggest removing it entirely. With that box away there are more space for longer usernames and larger display space for avatars. Seriously though, why the smaller avatars?

My only complain about the profile page is how the profile details are displayed. Does everything really need to be represented as characters? I think the current design with images and tooltips are a lot better and faster to read.

Another thing, something should be done to the username on top right of the page to make it look more important because I like feeling important get user attention. Right now it feels like it's just a bunch of characters thrown randomly and it doesn't feel much different than being a guest. I think making it bold like on the current design would work just fine.

Kudos for the new editor at the bottom of the page, I really like it.

Edit: ctrl + enter still works ;)
Gumpy
Why does everything have to be so big?
Vuelo Eluko

piruchan wrote:

Overall I think there are too many wasted space.

I agree with everyone who thinks posts are too narrow. White space on the right side of each post needs to be trimmed off a bit.

A separation between the avatar area and post area would be nice. Right now everything is on a white background and it feels like they're just thrown there creating a mess. Something along the line of the current forums with different background colors would be nice.

I personally dislike the avatar box thing. The contrast with the background is way too high and it looks bulky. I suggest removing it entirely. With that box away there are more space for longer usernames and larger display space for avatars. Seriously though, why the smaller avatars?

My only complain about the profile page is how the profile details are displayed. Does everything really need to be represented as characters? I think the current design with images and tooltips are a lot better and faster to read.

Another thing, something should be done to the username on top right of the page to make it look more important because I like feeling important get user attention. Right now it feels like it's just a bunch of characters thrown randomly and it doesn't feel much different than being a guest. I think making it bold like on the current design would work just fine.

Kudos for the new editor at the bottom of the page, I really like it.

Edit: ctrl + enter still works ;)
what is that aberration masquerading as the american flag?
Endaris

peppy wrote:

Have you checked today? There have been some changes to contrast levels.
White stings my eyes a lot less now :)

Another thing I noticed:
It looks a bit weird how pippi's sleeve laps out of the heading-box on the right but her hairs don't. Nonsensical 3d if you ask me :D
Railey2
- it uses up too much space. Instead of "simple and modern", it just looks bulky to me. (look at Gumpyyy's picture). This is the only real complaint I have, actually. Next one is minor.
- Using different colors for different sections in the index makes things more confusing instead of being a step towards simplicity and user-friendliness. Unity is an important factor concerning that, and this includes the color scheme. (very minor)

- I'm not a fan of infinite scrolling, but as opposed to the other points I brought up, this might just be because I'm not used to it yet. We are creatures of habit after all, and it's easy for us to blindly oppose new things for the sake of maintaining the status quo. I think in terms of practicability, infinite scrolling might even outperform the current system with pages, so I am open for change in this area (even though I don't like it as of yet).
Endie-

Gumpyyy wrote:

Why does everything have to be so big?


Simplicity i guess

Personally, I like the clean look
Pako
Here is something for everyone who hates the bright style of the new page. A (almost) complete gray skin :D (I guess many people will hate me for using multiple fonts)

Gumpy

erikG wrote:

Simplicity i guess

Personally, I like the clean look
having that big achieves nothing besides making it more clunky.
A Medic
It's alright but, imo I am actually a fan of the old form design.

It's simple and easy to look at.
[-]Raven[-]
Honestly, I'm in love with it. I always had a sweet spot in my heart for very modern looking pages. Playing osu!, the site actually seem like they can go hand in hand now. The previous site, though entirely functional -- felt like the stale, made in 2005 by someone with poor CSS skills type o' look.

I get that some have problems with how difficult navigation is, which is understandable. But please do understand, most things are a bit rough when they're still in the progress of being worked out. This version isn't mandatory yet, implying that peppy realises their are problems, and will certainly sand them away before the site becomes compulsory.

So, in the end, it only comes down to opinion -- and in mine. I really, really like it.
Endaris
I miss spoilers :(
Pako

Endaris wrote:

[spoiler]I miss spoilers :([/spoiler]


Spoilers? As in the boxes you can expand? Or spoiling someone about something?
Remyria
personally, I am not satisfied by the look of the new website, at least yet. the only thing I really liked is the achievement % :\

Concerning the missing features, it's not done, they just give the players the possibility to take a look at their work before it's done.

For the word "Jizz" in the address (Dudes, when I type it in google, the first link is a p**n website -_-), they're not giving an example of maturity...

Oh, and I think they shouldn't have removed this
Endaris

H3X0RZ wrote:

Endaris wrote:

I miss spoilers :(
Spoilers? As in the boxes you can expand? Or spoiling someone about something?
This exact box you can't see and that doesn't get converted in the new forum.
Pako
It's "just" a sub-domain. the actual domain is just ppy.sh.
Halogen-

peppy wrote:

Pagination as you know it is gone forever. It makes no sense.

Tell that to a person looking for specific information/a particular post in a massive thread that just so happens to be directly in the center of the thread. With someone who has tens of thousands of forum posts, I find it hard to believe you've never appreciated the concept of going back in chunks rather than having to load everything irrelevant in between.

But... whatever. It is your design and you can do with it what you choose. I very highly doubt that I am alone, in any case.

EDIT: and if you're very deliberately ignoring corner-cases in your development, that's hardly a good precedent.
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FrenzyLi
I tend to focus more on text. A design that can handle large blocks of text and would not have its designs distract me while I read them would be appreciated. The designs look cool and very !next, but the devs might consider giving an option to make things more compact?

The following comparison is not made against the old forum.

Pro:
+ design style
+ design style
+ design style
+ design style

Con:
- pagination (this is a religion)
- width (as other people have pointed out)
- permanent link to each thread (we don't have that right now)
- one-line-per-thread list of each topic (like an abstract in an article, scan tens of posts at a glance)
- option: fixed-width font when editing post (I'm a programmer)

Now, I'm patiently waiting for new functionality to come in.
wmfchris
Hmmm...one thing I noticed is that the new one failed to show the < and > character in the profile page.

Taking about the forum design I guess everything takes time to get used with, but the fonts could be smaller like the old one imo
peppy

Halogen- wrote:

peppy wrote:

Pagination as you know it is gone forever. It makes no sense.

Tell that to a person looking for specific information/a particular post in a massive thread that just so happens to be directly in the center of the thread.
EDIT: and if you're very deliberately ignoring corner-cases in your development, that's hardly a good precedent.


how is remembering a page number different from remembering a post number? you can already jump to a specific post.
Kert

peppy wrote:

how is remembering a page number different from remembering a post number? you can already jump to a specific post.
Probably he means jumping to a specific page from here

I also use this feature often and it's pretty convinient
Railey2

peppy wrote:

how is remembering a page number different from remembering a post number?
fewer digits with page numbers
I Give Up
i like forum :D
Sey
It's okay but I favour the current looks, as they are cleaner and better structured (for now). The design itself is not my preference.
A Medic
Another thing that I've recently notice is that sometimes it will double post by itself.
It's been happening to me quite a bit this morning.
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Endaris
I think we need a small tutorial on how to use the new forum.
Infinite scrolling seems to be an unknown/unintuitive concept for most people. Can't say that I would miss pages that much either though @Halogen and I've spent a big amount of my time online in forums for the past years. I think it works just as well and it doesn't even compare to shittyness of redditstyle they used for the LoL-forums

As for the small arrows on the post number it would probably be the easiest if you removed the one pointing to the threadstart and make the one pointing to the end bigger. No clue how you can make this goodlooking while keeping the circle-shape but for usability this would be very good I think.
As for the top-bar, I think it would be best if it grew larger on hovering over it so you have an easier time clicking on the navigation links.

And smileys seem to be a bit too small/misplaced compared to the text as their lower edge is way below the baseline of text but don't get to the topline of it either. :o
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