We are not done yetRaiden wrote:
My, my. I expected a good clean but not THIS BIG O_o
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Not yet? O.o
How many BN will go away / are already removed?
How many BN will go away / are already removed?
BN who are inactive for months have been removed, that was kinda obvious I think.
I just hope people read my post and took care of that ;_;
I just hope people read my post and took care of that ;_;
That's still to be cleared up. If I remember correctly, they are calculating numbers and scores and getting exact values /refer to this post/
If the value is not even close to the required activity, I guess they'll be kicked without further ado. In case they are close, discuss it with the BN in question.
/by the way when I said I expected a "good clean" I didn't imply that it was bad, sorry if I made you guys think that. I guess my wording is not the best. I think y'all doing great work moving this forward/
If the value is not even close to the required activity, I guess they'll be kicked without further ado. In case they are close, discuss it with the BN in question.
/by the way when I said I expected a "good clean" I didn't imply that it was bad, sorry if I made you guys think that. I guess my wording is not the best. I think y'all doing great work moving this forward/
Don't eat me please D:Stefan wrote:
Finally.
After looking at my recent activity, People could think i'm not really active as BN, concerning mods and icons. But I'm always here to help people, and if i were posting chatlogs with mappers i helped, i could get more kds, but i was too lazy for that or not really interested in earning a kd, maybe ?
For those who doubt about my activity, i will be always active as BN and and i'm willing to help anyone, help doesn't mean mod & icon. But i think i should give more icons now, in order to show I still do my BN job...
Finally². Only took me 3 month to get out of that group, thats like no time at all \:D/ /s.
Seriously though, I kinda want to see if this system ever gets to the point where it's actually balanced. Would be a shame if it wouldnt ever reach that. Also, why exactly isnt there a way to opt out of the group yet? I dont quite get why people are forced to stay in there whenever they first enter.
Seriously though, I kinda want to see if this system ever gets to the point where it's actually balanced. Would be a shame if it wouldnt ever reach that. Also, why exactly isnt there a way to opt out of the group yet? I dont quite get why people are forced to stay in there whenever they first enter.
I'm actually a bit inactive atm, but I still mod and nominate from time to time.
My recent mods are just my leftovers (old mod requests, old timing requests, old M4M requests, etc.)
My recent mods are just my leftovers (old mod requests, old timing requests, old M4M requests, etc.)
Mercurial
why opt out when just not taking part yields the same result?Yauxo wrote:
Finally². Only took me 3 month to get out of that group, thats like no time at all \:D/ /s.
Seriously though, I kinda want to see if this system ever gets to the point where it's actually balanced. Would be a shame if it wouldnt ever reach that. Also, why exactly isnt there a way to opt out of the group yet? I dont quite get why people are forced to stay in there whenever they first enter.
Shohei Ohtani
Mercurial
Because people sometimes feel useful, but they don't want to have to charge with some responsabilities on their back.ztrot wrote:
why opt out when just not taking part yields the same result?
Ex: I can be the best modder out there and be nominated to be a Nominator or even a QAT, but I would decline that because I want to mod freely, without chains or holds.
Shohei Ohtani
Also, note that literally every other team allows you to leave if you dont wish to contribute.
The reason I was told that leaving wasnt allowed is that "BN is a simulation of modding v2, and you cant leave in modding v2 either", although i honestly havent heard ANYTHING about moddingv2 other than as a reason to NOT fix problems.
The reason I was told that leaving wasnt allowed is that "BN is a simulation of modding v2, and you cant leave in modding v2 either", although i honestly havent heard ANYTHING about moddingv2 other than as a reason to NOT fix problems.
And the MAT with their purple name was unique for the time, maybe bring that back sometime in the future?Mercurial wrote:
Nominators are MATs without a title, which for me it's worse than MATs.
If you're a BN - or want to become one - for a different name colour and title at the forums then you're probably wrong in the team imo.Mercurial wrote:
Nominators are MATs without a title, which for me it's worse than MATs.
I guess it's somewhere discussable to say "I don't want to be a BN anymore, I want to leave it". You just to be inactive at all if you don't wish to be part of it, that's how it always worked since the newBAT addition.
Leaving the group due to inactivity is one thing, but to force the members to be inactive so they can leave the group another. Not everyone might want to stop modding maps just 'cause they don't longer want to be a BN for whatever reasons. It should be a normal thing when you have to make an application to join the group that you can leave the group by making an application as well. Just 'cause that's how it was since the beginning doesn't mean it has to stay at it is forever.
Be more flexible.
Be more flexible.
I dont quite get why there has to be a "you wont leave, eff you" mentality in the first place. What do you get out of that? The modder has to stop modding/doing what they like just to leave the group, like that'll help...
There have been some points made in previous posts, I dont think that it'd change anything if I were re-post them.
There have been some points made in previous posts, I dont think that it'd change anything if I were re-post them.
And more people are out
How many (in numbers) are removed and how many are still in it?
I'm quite curious to see how much people (percentually) got removed
How many (in numbers) are removed and how many are still in it?
I'm quite curious to see how much people (percentually) got removed
Around 13 more got removed which leaves BN to the number of 76 if I'm not mistaken out of 10X. Around 25-30% of the BNG removed
Huge, really huge purge I must admit lol
Huge, really huge purge I must admit lol
30% to be exact out of the 106Raiden wrote:
Around 13 more got removed which leaves BN to the number of 76 if I'm not mistaken out of 10X. Around 25-30% of the BNG removed
Huge, really huge purge I must admit lol
Not actually true. Some BATs in the past actually requested for some downtime or when they feel they have to leave. If we played that "waiting game" back then, you would see maybe 100 or so Alumni. There's also some members who completely quit which has to be considered.Stefan wrote:
I guess it's somewhere discussable to say "I don't want to be a BN anymore, I want to leave it". You just to be inactive at all if you don't wish to be part of it, that's how it always worked since the newBAT addition.
That's quite a lot O,o
Still quite some left, I though we had +- 70, good to see that's what's left
Still quite some left, I though we had +- 70, good to see that's what's left
Another thing I've noticed that I forgot to say. When there was a lot of BNs active, it also put a lot of stress with the bubble / qualify limit that created this "rank race" problem. Even with the purge, will this limit be the same or re-balanced to the new activity count?
We've already requested this multiple times and nobody (staff) wanted to change this. There were multiple reasons given (such as QAT limitations) while we had tons of BNs, I dont see them changing anything with less BNs now.whymeman wrote:
Another thing I've noticed that I forgot to say. When there was a lot of BNs active, it also put a lot of stress with the bubble / qualify limit that created this "rank race" problem. Even with the purge, will this limit be the same or re-balanced to the new activity count?
I think it'll be the same, as the inactive ones are removed, bit the actives' activity is still the same
I for example found out I was insanely active is August
And in July too actually
I for example found out I was insanely active is August
And in July too actually
Hmmm...... as long as the team don't get worked up over the limit issue and worry more about the maps themselves, then mappers can relax easier with less DQ fears. As I would see it, that "room" given from the limit is wasted on every DQ that is made from carelessness caused by modding too fast on demand while under pressure trying to provide results. Because of the excess of mistakes in the past, the limit got tighter but also increased that stress of trying to get more maps up and ready before being bared down by the limit. If maps can be qualified and clear through the trial period without faults and onward for lets say.... 3 months, then maybe the limit can be set a bit higher. But, the opposite can be true if the work is sloppy for those 3 months, the limit can be tighter and more strict.
So that we'll eventually reach 1 qualify/day? There will always be disqualifications, no matter what you do - There will always be something that the BNs think is okay, but the QATs dont.
You can to consider the membership as some attribute you unlock and eventually lose or keep.
On a system that is based on automation and score, you can neither retire or quit. It's like you want to quit being Top20 in Catch the Beat. There is no "Contact the staff and we delete you out of that".
The logic behind "you can not resign" was, that you join upon your score and leave upon your score. No more, no less. And in any future and automated system, you will neither be able to simply quit, unless you just stop doing things.
You unlocked an ability. You either keep it by keeping score or lose it by losing score. This is not a club you can join and leave as you wish, because that's not how future automated systems will work anyways.
And better get used to it now, before it changes and you start finding it troublesome again :U
On a system that is based on automation and score, you can neither retire or quit. It's like you want to quit being Top20 in Catch the Beat. There is no "Contact the staff and we delete you out of that".
The logic behind "you can not resign" was, that you join upon your score and leave upon your score. No more, no less. And in any future and automated system, you will neither be able to simply quit, unless you just stop doing things.
You unlocked an ability. You either keep it by keeping score or lose it by losing score. This is not a club you can join and leave as you wish, because that's not how future automated systems will work anyways.
And better get used to it now, before it changes and you start finding it troublesome again :U
Honestly I don't get why it's a big deal to some people that they can't ask to be removed. As others have said, if you don't want to do it, just don't do it. Don't mod if you don't want to. If you want to be able to mod on your own accord, don't give icons then. Too simple.
I find it extraordinarily upsetting that apparently, peppy and Loctav do not communicate with each other that much (vague assumption, I know, but how would you think of seeing these comments?) . It's not the first time I've seen comments like this, and well, I don't know what I should think about that, even less what the whole community thinks about it. It's all these things which make the community unsure what is going to happen next, speaking of upcoming changes. Also the BN thing. It was a matter for such a long time, and not even now we know what is going to happen.
I personally stopped following that whole stuff, because as announced 300 times, it's going to change anyway again. It's sad to see how these things are handled and how much confusion the community gets through that.
I personally stopped following that whole stuff, because as announced 300 times, it's going to change anyway again. It's sad to see how these things are handled and how much confusion the community gets through that.
crap
Oh, but you really really dont want to eat that spoiled apple? Well, too bad, I dont care. You'll eat it.
If you play around a bit, you can translate that into getting into the BNG, changing the BN ranking and qualifiying system and trying to get out.
Imagine you're shopping and see that sweet looking apple, almost as if it's special. You like apples, so you buy one and go home. You put the special apple down to your other apples and dont eat it for a few days, it spoils and stinks around the other ones. You want to throw it away, but you cant. You've already paid money for that - You have to eat it, no matter what.xxdeathx wrote:
Honestly I don't get why it's a big deal to some people that they can't ask to be removed. As others have said, if you don't want to do it, just don't do it. Don't mod if you don't want to. If you want to be able to mod on your own accord, don't give icons then. Too simple.
Oh, but you really really dont want to eat that spoiled apple? Well, too bad, I dont care. You'll eat it.
If you play around a bit, you can translate that into getting into the BNG, changing the BN ranking and qualifiying system and trying to get out.
Mercurial
I couldn't have said it better...Irreversible wrote:
I find it extraordinarily upsetting that apparently, peppy and Loctav do not communicate with each other that much (vague assumption, I know, but how would you think of seeing these comments?) . It's not the first time I've seen comments like this, and well, I don't know what I should think about that, even less what the whole community thinks about it. It's all these things which make the community unsure what is going to happen next, speaking of upcoming changes. Also the BN thing. It was a matter for such a long time, and not even now we know what is going to happen.
I personally stopped following that whole stuff, because as announced 300 times, it's going to change anyway again. It's sad to see how these things are handled and how much confusion the community gets through that.
I am just wondering when will the BN applications be opened again
I'm not saying it will be eventually 1 a day, but what i'm pointing out is that if the system suffers, the people in it suffers as well. DQs are not avoidable 100% but it can be reduced depending on the methods needed to do so. If the DQ : Qualified ratio isn't extreme like it is now, then maybe the limits could be better and less restricting vs. a high DQ raito that requires much less bubbles and qualifying going on.Yauxo wrote:
So that we'll eventually reach 1 qualify/day? There will always be disqualifications, no matter what you do - There will always be something that the BNs think is okay, but the QATs dont.
I would be more interested in how many users would be BNs when the system were fully automated. Right now, we have 78 76 BNs.
I still don't get why they have to be BNs based on some numbers, why they can't join or retire as they like. Problem of this is that modder who don't want to be BNs are forced to be one and are attracting automatically more intention due to the banner and the yellow bar. The only choice you give them is to stop modding. I also got asked to mod someone's map few times, as a non-modder/mapper, no idea how often a BN gets asked. Yeah, many BNs in the past cried when they lost their beloved redname, their reward, their status, but those wanted to be BNs, they wanted to be something special, being noticed as someone who can bubble/rank a map.
I personally would prefer an invitation rather than a "Good job, you are now a BN. You don't want to be one? Stop modding or you will never be removed, forever." Maybe I am just exaggerating.
I still don't get why they have to be BNs based on some numbers, why they can't join or retire as they like. Problem of this is that modder who don't want to be BNs are forced to be one and are attracting automatically more intention due to the banner and the yellow bar. The only choice you give them is to stop modding. I also got asked to mod someone's map few times, as a non-modder/mapper, no idea how often a BN gets asked. Yeah, many BNs in the past cried when they lost their beloved redname, their reward, their status, but those wanted to be BNs, they wanted to be something special, being noticed as someone who can bubble/rank a map.
I personally would prefer an invitation rather than a "Good job, you are now a BN. You don't want to be one? Stop modding or you will never be removed, forever." Maybe I am just exaggerating.
DQs should not be avoided.
they are GOOD.
fuck
they are GOOD.
fuck
stop hypothesising and watch and wait. rome wasn't wanged in a day.
Better spending time to make things safe and well, than rushing and get surprised later.whymeman wrote:
DQs are not avoidable 100% but it can be reduced depending on the methods needed to do so.
There are 3 pages of bubbled maps, good luck.
I don't see the connection, so you're gonna have to spell it out for me. BNG membership is nothing like eating a spoiled apple. It affects you minimally.Yauxo wrote:
crapImagine you're shopping and see that sweet looking apple, almost as if it's special. You like apples, so you buy one and go home. You put the special apple down to your other apples and dont eat it for a few days, it spoils and stinks around the other ones. You want to throw it away, but you cant. You've already paid money for that - You have to eat it, no matter what.xxdeathx wrote:
Honestly I don't get why it's a big deal to some people that they can't ask to be removed. As others have said, if you don't want to do it, just don't do it. Don't mod if you don't want to. If you want to be able to mod on your own accord, don't give icons then. Too simple.
Oh, but you really really dont want to eat that spoiled apple? Well, too bad, I dont care. You'll eat it.
If you play around a bit, you can translate that into getting into the BNG, changing the BN ranking and qualifiying system and trying to get out.