Being cautious already?rEdo wrote:
In other words, would me dying leave an empty house or would SNB and Amianki become neighbours.
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Whoops, was meant to quote the whole "If the ones beside me are killed, am I completely unhearable then?" thing
Nice point, by the way. I like the fact you're cautious.
Now when I think about this, scum could be selecting kills so they can scumpaint people. Let's say scum is in [7], then the team could kill [6] and [8] and say "hey, [7] is completety unhearable nao, scum pls b0ss!!!!".
Now when I think about this, scum could be selecting kills so they can scumpaint people. Let's say scum is in [7], then the team could kill [6] and [8] and say "hey, [7] is completety unhearable nao, scum pls b0ss!!!!".
Topic Starter
Vote Count 1.01
Drezi (2) - sLaiNi
Haneii (1) - - Magic Bomb -
fartownik (1) - rEdo
Not Voting (10) - pieguy1372, Amianki, Setsuen, Static Noise Bird, Haneii, Ace Timing, Zexion, fartownik, Frostings, Drezi
With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch
The leaves blow strongly with the wind, careful dont go falling down, it's quite a trip... very deadlyDrezi (2) - sLaiNi
Haneii (1) - - Magic Bomb -
fartownik (1) - rEdo
Not Voting (10) - pieguy1372, Amianki, Setsuen, Static Noise Bird, Haneii, Ace Timing, Zexion, fartownik, Frostings, Drezi
With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch
Vote Count should be fixed
First post in the game and already repeating stuff? Wow.sLaiNi wrote:
Vote: Drezi
You being down there just to lower the chance of being caught. Die scum :3
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Scumteam is SNB+Ace Timing. Easy game. Maybe Slaini too.
Vote: Setsuen
Wait who did I just vote...? Nah that should be fine.
@rEdo: Yeah, it's getting pretty fucked up already and some of the reactions are just plain odd. Why would you want to produce CO2 on a fucking volcano planet?
Ignore the setup until we have a reason to pay attention to it, please.
Vote: Haneii
Vote: Haneii
Topic Starter
There are no errors in the vote count. Edit: Nevermind, i thought you meant something else.- Magic Bomb - wrote:
Sakura that vote count is a bit messed up
I can't answer this question.Zexion wrote:
@Mod: Is moving houses allowed?
Good point there.rEdo wrote:
Nice point, by the way. I like the fact you're cautious.
Now when I think about this, scum could be selecting kills so they can scumpaint people. Let's say scum is in [7], then the team could kill [6] and [8] and say "hey, [7] is completety unhearable nao, scum pls b0ss!!!!".
Also, scum could use this as WIFOM.
First point out, that scum could use what you wrote to make someone look suspicious and then do on a scum member to say "that would be so stupid that he can't be scum, scum is just trying to make us think he's scum".
Sakura said she drew inspiration from FakeGod's Nightingale, I searched for it earlier and looks like it had a plenty of doublevoters (http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=61706 if someone is interested), I'm not hated btw, and it wouldn't show up as having 2 votes anyway.
Vote: Frostings
Vote: Frostings
I had to be sure, then prob. Slaini is a double-voter. Gonna take a look at that game.
Topic Starter
Vote Count 1.02
Haneii (2) - - Magic Bomb -, Amianki
fartownik (1) - rEdo
Setsuen (1) - Zexion
Frostings (1) - Drezi
Not Voting (8) - pieguy1372, Setsuen, Static Noise Bird, Ace Timing, Haneii, fartownik, Frostings, sLaiNi
The wooden chairs on the wooden floor, their sound would wake up even a hard sleeper.Haneii (2) - - Magic Bomb -, Amianki
fartownik (1) - rEdo
Setsuen (1) - Zexion
Frostings (1) - Drezi
Not Voting (8) - pieguy1372, Setsuen, Static Noise Bird, Ace Timing, Haneii, fartownik, Frostings, sLaiNi
Also about framing someone with the kills I thought it'd be by killing 2# or 12# since as scum it'd be easiest to "free up" a teammate that way if there's one in 1# or 13#.
Relying on these after Night 1 isn't that good though I guess, as it could also be the plan of killing 2 and 4 for a mate in position 3.Drezi wrote:
Also about framing someone with the kills I thought it'd be by killing 2# or 12# since as scum it'd be easiest to "free up" a teammate that way if there's one in 1# or 13#.
@Sakura: Can we assume that the slots as seen in the playerlist are always correct, unless you explicity tell us about changes?Sakura wrote:
I can't answer this question.Zexion wrote:
@Mod: Is moving houses allowed?
You think there is a person that can fake his slots?Drezi wrote:
@Sakura: Can we assume that the slots as seen in the playerlist are always correct, unless you explicity tell us about changes?
Topic Starter
The slots in the playerlist reflect the houses in the pre-game.Drezi wrote:
@Sakura: Can we assume that the slots as seen in the playerlist are always correct, unless you explicity tell us about changes?
Sakura wrote:
The slots in the playerlist reflect the houses in the pre-game.Drezi wrote:
@Sakura: Can we assume that the slots as seen in the playerlist are always correct, unless you explicity tell us about changes?
Now I get it, I guess.
We see the House at the game's start, but it can change during the game.
Meaning there might be Roles which can change their position, or even the one of others, resulting in me, hearing someone below me going out, but it actually being Drezi instead of Zexion, because someone moved him.
That's my assumption.
Why are we speculating on things that we don't know for sure even exist as part of the game?
vote: sLaiNi
Zexion might also be scum. Drezi maybe town.
free town points to the first person who correctly guesses why I made this vote.
Zexion might also be scum. Drezi maybe town.
free town points to the first person who correctly guesses why I made this vote.
Kinda?
I really don't like how much he's going on about setup stuff and ignoring everything else, including the double vote he apparently has. Simplest explanation still equates to town, though.
I really don't like how much he's going on about setup stuff and ignoring everything else, including the double vote he apparently has. Simplest explanation still equates to town, though.
calling SlaiNi + rEdo scumpartners
FoS -MB-
easy game easy life
FoS -MB-
easy game easy life
Unvoting Haneii after Amianki also voted her to clumsily hide the fact that he's a Douiblevoter despite already revealing it. Also shitting WIFOM and setup spec all over the place.pieguy1372 wrote:
vote: sLaiNi
Zexion might also be scum. Drezi maybe town.
free town points to the first person who correctly guesses why I made this vote.
Vote: rEdo
that's actually not the primary reason for itAmianki wrote:
Kinda?
I really don't like how much he's going on about setup stuff and ignoring everything else, including the double vote he apparently has. Simplest explanation still equates to town, though.
fufufu, this is kinda fun
ftr i'd be fairly surprised if anyone actually guesses it correctly
Vote: Magic Bomb
It's simple - his nickname is treebomb so basically I'm sure he is going to bomb this tree.
brb school
It's simple - his nickname is treebomb so basically I'm sure he is going to bomb this tree.
brb school
@pieguy you wanted his spot.
Sakura can you make ISO's pretty please? 
also I miss Setsuen
also I miss Setsuen
man RVS is already over let's get in the gaaameStatic Noise Bird wrote:
Vote: Magic Bomb
It's simple - his nickname is treebomb so basically I'm sure he is going to bomb this tree.
that's easily the best guess so far, but unfortunately, nopeAce Timing wrote:
@pieguy you wanted his spot.
Topic Starter
Busy for that right now, but i'll have them up within an hour or 2 unless i forget, in which case i'll do it tomorrow morning.Frostings wrote:
Sakura can you make ISO's pretty please?
Edit: They are up now!
Vote Count 1.03
Haneii (2) - - Magic Bomb -, Amianki
sLaiNi (2) - pieguy1372, Frostings
fartownik (1) - rEdo
Setsuen (1) - Zexion
Frostings (1) - Drezi
rEdo (1) - fartownik
- Magic Bomb - (1) - Static Noise Bird
Not Voting (4) - Setsuen, Ace Timing, Haneii, sLaiNi
With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch
Haneii (2) - - Magic Bomb -, Amianki
sLaiNi (2) - pieguy1372, Frostings
fartownik (1) - rEdo
Setsuen (1) - Zexion
Frostings (1) - Drezi
rEdo (1) - fartownik
- Magic Bomb - (1) - Static Noise Bird
Not Voting (4) - Setsuen, Ace Timing, Haneii, sLaiNi
With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch
Hmm, sLaiNi's posting weirded me out at first, but tbh what I'm seeing is more like his intention to be more active this time, which is whatever.
@pie: dunno what you actually had in mind, but you saying that kinda helps to stray away from RVS which is a plus
Frostings so weren't you joking with that "forced doublevote slip" or what then? I don't really get it in that case.
@pie: dunno what you actually had in mind, but you saying that kinda helps to stray away from RVS which is a plus
Frostings so weren't you joking with that "forced doublevote slip" or what then? I don't really get it in that case.
Okay, so I everyone caught up on it 
So, I'm gonna go all over my thoughts:
I always tried to stay a bit in background for all of my games, because always when I try to be active, I get scumread, god knows why. That's why I was afraid of posting alot. Still, I had the most fun when actually posting, so I just went to "Firetruck this shisha, I'm gonna do what's fun" and post actively.
I thought that my Doublevoter ability would count when the lynches appear, but they wouldn't show up. I seem to be wrong with this one though Atleast I learned something out of it and started the game ^^
The posts afterwards, meaning all these assumptions, were made as I tried to cover up my fail. Didn't help, but again, it was worth a try.
So I don't get what that "forced slip", as you call it, would give to me.
So, I'm gonna go all over my thoughts:
I always tried to stay a bit in background for all of my games, because always when I try to be active, I get scumread, god knows why. That's why I was afraid of posting alot. Still, I had the most fun when actually posting, so I just went to "Firetruck this shisha, I'm gonna do what's fun" and post actively.
I thought that my Doublevoter ability would count when the lynches appear, but they wouldn't show up. I seem to be wrong with this one though
Atleast I learned something out of it and started the game ^^As soon as he mentioned that, I noticed that I firetrucked up and decided to not let another votecount go with this, this is why I did this:- Magic Bomb - wrote:
Sakura that vote count is a bit messed up
I knew this wasn't really hiding anything, but it was worth a try.sLaiNi wrote:
Unvote
He's sleeping, poor one.
The posts afterwards, meaning all these assumptions, were made as I tried to cover up my fail. Didn't help, but again, it was worth a try.
TbH I don't see any relation between me and Zexion. Drezi pointed out the high possibility of there being doublevoters. That might be why you read him town.pieguy1372 wrote:
vote: sLaiNi
Zexion might also be scum. Drezi maybe town.
free town points to the first person who correctly guesses why I made this vote.
That is more understandable to me, as the "cautious already?" seemed like some kind of distancing (some newbie kind of it though). So I can understand that assumption for redo + me being a scumteam, rather than Zexion+me. Explain your thoughts there, please.Frostings wrote:
calling SlaiNi + rEdo scumpartners
Yeah, I tried indeed to cover all up, that's why I ignored stuff, to not bring it up again.Amianki wrote:
I really don't like how much he's going on about setup stuff and ignoring everything else, including the double vote he apparently has.
Why should I force it? Even if I was scum, it wouldn't help me in any way, as town and scum can be doublevoter (I guess so?).Frostings wrote:
really bad forced double vote slip
So I don't get what that "forced slip", as you call it, would give to me.
??sLaiNi wrote:
I noticed that I firetrucked up and decided to not let another votecount go with this, this is why I did this [the unvote]
I knew this wasn't really hiding anything, but it was worth a try.
??????sLaiNi wrote:
The posts afterwards, meaning all these assumptions, were made as I tried to cover up my fail. Didn't help, but again, it was worth a try.
Drezi wrote:
??sLaiNi wrote:
I noticed that I firetrucked up and decided to not let another votecount go with this, this is why I did this [the unvote]
I knew this wasn't really hiding anything, but it was worth a try.??????sLaiNi wrote:
The posts afterwards, meaning all these assumptions, were made as I tried to cover up my fail. Didn't help, but again, it was worth a try.
I didn't want to reveal my Powerrole just with the first post, that's what I was talking about.
Or what do you mean?
Knowing that would you have preferred not to vote like whole day or what? -.-
TbH, yes. Atleast until I am sure I want to lynch someone special.Drezi wrote:
Knowing that would you have preferred not to vote like whole day or what? -.-
Because it's even a worse Idea to affect the behavior of the people with the double vote in mind.Drezi wrote:
Why do you think that's a good idea?
Scum for example could plan their votes to negate my doublevote.
Of course then again, I could be wrong with my vote resulting in a misslynch.
Ok I'm here now.
10/10 Sakura. Thanks for giving me a lousy town role that's even worse than VT. Thanks for making it impossible for me not to get a good role unless it''s a UPick/I replace in only to get N1ed.
Vote:rEdo for rigging this up with Sakura. Conspiracy found. Especially since my role is quite ironic considering what I stated in the past games.
and I didn't even get to know which house I'm starting in.
I'm busy playing my custom Only Awesome Roles set-up on Epicmafia.
10/10 Sakura. Thanks for giving me a lousy town role that's even worse than VT. Thanks for making it impossible for me not to get a good role unless it''s a UPick/I replace in only to get N1ed.
Vote:rEdo for rigging this up with Sakura. Conspiracy found. Especially since my role is quite ironic considering what I stated in the past games.
and I didn't even get to know which house I'm starting in.
Frostings wrote:
also I miss Setsuen
I'm busy playing my custom Only Awesome Roles set-up on Epicmafia.
You mean other than the fact that they decided to claim their role which is what I did before as mafia and the fact that they claimed double voter which literally messes up who you can vote off near MyLo/Lylo?pieguy1372 wrote:
vote: sLaiNi
Zexion might also be scum. Drezi maybe town.
free town points to the first person who correctly guesses why I made this vote.
hanks for making it impossible for me to get a good role* 10/10 wrote wrong
I hope you're joking Frosting. bc my reads are currently neutral until somebody slips badly in their intention when posting
So in exact it's really not possible to know what scum might do. They can do what slani said or accuse people with useless role like me.(and yes I have the right to self pity)
and............I figured out from Sakura's ISO what my house number is z.z
Frostings wrote:
calling SlaiNi + rEdo scumpartners
FoS -MB-
easy game easy life
I hope you're joking Frosting. bc my reads are currently neutral until somebody slips badly in their intention when posting
In b4 reverse scum paint and the real scums actually scumpaint people who WIFOM instead of your hey number 7 is scum tactic.rEdo wrote:
Nice point, by the way. I like the fact you're cautious.
Now when I think about this, scum could be selecting kills so they can scumpaint people. Let's say scum is in [7], then the team could kill [6] and [8] and say "hey, [7] is completety unhearable nao, scum pls b0ss!!!!".
So in exact it's really not possible to know what scum might do. They can do what slani said or accuse people with useless role like me.(and yes I have the right to self pity)
and............I figured out from Sakura's ISO what my house number is z.z
god here we go
stop being jealous of my automatic scum hunting ability where scum clings onto me in an attempt to lynch me only to have it reverse bandwagoned.fartownik wrote:
god here we go
Setsuen, you overstrain me. Too much "OMG my town role is so bad, it's not even worth nightkilling me, especially because I am town and my role is so bad. Did I meantion that my role is bad?" in your posts o.O
You have no idea how bad my role is.sLaiNi wrote:
Setsuen, you overstrain me. Too much "OMG my town role is so bad, it's not even worth nightkilling me, especially because I am town and my role is so bad. Did I meantion that my role is bad?" in your posts o.O
what is your role
LIES
Why don't cry it out aloud "Don't nightscan me, I'm town eitherway no matter what the mod tells you I am".Setsuen wrote:
Miller.fartownik wrote:
what is your role
So atleast I'm right when saying you were so serious about stating that your role is so bad, because you want to make sure noone investigates you?
I don't see a reason why he would lie about that, especially right at the beginning of the game. Claiming Miller if you're scum at the beginning of the game is a terrible strategy.
I support that.fartownik wrote:
I don't see a reason why he would lie about that, especially right at the beginning of the game. Claiming Miller if you're scum at the beginning of the game is a terrible strategy.
It would make him even more suspicious. Still, I think keeping an eye on that would be worth.
So Frostings, are you going to explain in what way I would benefit from forceclaiming Doublevoter? Your explanation seems rather like using the situation. For the time until you give a good explanation:
Vote: Frostings
Vote: Frostings
Topic Starter
Vote Count 1.04
Frostings (3) - Drezi, sLaiNi
Haneii (2) - - Magic Bomb -, Amianki
sLaiNi (2) - pieguy1372, Frostings
rEdo (2) - fartownik, Setsuen
fartownik (1) - rEdo
Setsuen (1) - Zexion
- Magic Bomb - (1) - Static Noise Bird
Not Voting (2) - Ace Timing, Haneii
With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch
The ruffling leaves in the wind... can't be heard with all this racket!Frostings (3) - Drezi, sLaiNi
Haneii (2) - - Magic Bomb -, Amianki
sLaiNi (2) - pieguy1372, Frostings
rEdo (2) - fartownik, Setsuen
fartownik (1) - rEdo
Setsuen (1) - Zexion
- Magic Bomb - (1) - Static Noise Bird
Not Voting (2) - Ace Timing, Haneii
With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch
Miller is an okay fakeclaim if you're ballsy. Anyone who can test it definitely should tonight.
MBomb
Fun fact, I wasn't talking about the double vote here, I was talking about a different way in which the vote count was broken (At the time, Sakura accidentally put me as both voting and not voting), though tbh I didn't even notice the double vote, my reading skills so badsLaiNi wrote:
As soon as he mentioned that, I noticed that I firetrucked up and decided to not let another votecount go with this, this is why I did this:- Magic Bomb - wrote:
Sakura that vote count is a bit messed upsLaiNi wrote:
Unvote
He's sleeping, poor one.
Hmm how good is a miller fakeclaim? It might get cop off you but if there's a vig this game it's probably bad ..?
1. Obviously I'm not voting you because of a "slip"
2. No where did I mention that you would benefit from claiming Doublevoter
3. The reason for your unvote. You say you wanted to hide your vote from the next vote count, which would confirm your role. But if there was a "mistake" in the first VC then it would just be corrected. If it isn't corrected (and you knew it wouldn't be) then... well... you're confirmed anyways
Also, not sure if holding your vote off until a lynch would have been all too good of an idea either
That's just playing secretive which I don't really like
nice double OMGUS vote :^)sLaiNi wrote:
So Frostings, are you going to explain in what way I would benefit from forceclaiming Doublevoter? Your explanation seems rather like using the situation. For the time until you give a good explanation:
Vote: Frostings
1. Obviously I'm not voting you because of a "slip"
2. No where did I mention that you would benefit from claiming Doublevoter
3. The reason for your unvote. You say you wanted to hide your vote from the next vote count, which would confirm your role. But if there was a "mistake" in the first VC then it would just be corrected. If it isn't corrected (and you knew it wouldn't be) then... well... you're confirmed anyways
Also, not sure if holding your vote off until a lynch would have been all too good of an idea either
That's just playing secretive which I don't really like
Explain this one to me?sLaiNi wrote:
Scum for example could plan their votes to negate my doublevote.
@Farto: Not to defend Setsuen but those aren't his usual walls. The worst is yet to comme.
Also that Miller claim D1. At least if there's a cop he/she knows who not to investigate. The question here is that if we should do a PL to eliminate the big WIFOM... probably a bit to soon to decide that.
No point on wasting a cop on him since he will turn out guilty. A townie would have NO reason to claim miller unless he actually wins with scum.
@pieguy: I assume you voted Slaini becausee the heavy setup spec, but then you go saying I "might" be scum and that Drezi "might" be town even tho Drezi did a lot more setup spec that I did (FTR, I just made that question about moving houses and I stopped). Unless you count me saying that Drezi is hated which was a possibility other than Slaini having a double-vote.
So yeah, setup spec isn't the reason why you're voting him otherwise it would be inconsistent with your other reads. It's probably because the sudden vote change which at least made no sense to me considering we were just starting. Anyways, why do we have to guess your intentions?
Slaini's wall was a mess and I really don't get many of his points.
Also that Miller claim D1. At least if there's a cop he/she knows who not to investigate. The question here is that if we should do a PL to eliminate the big WIFOM... probably a bit to soon to decide that.
No point on wasting a cop on him since he will turn out guilty. A townie would have NO reason to claim miller unless he actually wins with scum.
@pieguy: I assume you voted Slaini becausee the heavy setup spec, but then you go saying I "might" be scum and that Drezi "might" be town even tho Drezi did a lot more setup spec that I did (FTR, I just made that question about moving houses and I stopped). Unless you count me saying that Drezi is hated which was a possibility other than Slaini having a double-vote.
So yeah, setup spec isn't the reason why you're voting him otherwise it would be inconsistent with your other reads. It's probably because the sudden vote change which at least made no sense to me considering we were just starting. Anyways, why do we have to guess your intentions?
Slaini's wall was a mess and I really don't get many of his points.
FTR, pie is also playing secretive, like "hey guys guess corretly why I voted Slaini and you get townpoints!"Frostings wrote:
That's just playing secretive which I don't really like
Just to clarify: I tought Drezi was hated because when I see double votes they're in the format:
Player A - 2 - Player B, Player B
but instead it was
Player A - 2 - Player B
so that led me to think the hated modifier on Drezi.
Player A - 2 - Player B, Player B
but instead it was
Player A - 2 - Player B
so that led me to think the hated modifier on Drezi.
Topic Starter
Vote Count 1.05
Frostings (3) - Drezi, sLaiNi
Haneii (2) - - Magic Bomb -, Amianki
sLaiNi (2) - pieguy1372, Frostings
rEdo (2) - fartownik, Setsuen
fartownik (1) - rEdo
Setsuen (1) - Zexion
- Magic Bomb - (1) - Static Noise Bird
Not Voting (2) - Ace Timing, Haneii
With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch
The child that came from outside...Frostings (3) - Drezi, sLaiNi
Haneii (2) - - Magic Bomb -, Amianki
sLaiNi (2) - pieguy1372, Frostings
rEdo (2) - fartownik, Setsuen
fartownik (1) - rEdo
Setsuen (1) - Zexion
- Magic Bomb - (1) - Static Noise Bird
Not Voting (2) - Ace Timing, Haneii
With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch
It's good to claim miller early so that cop doesn't waste a night + it doesn't allow scum to fakeclaim laterZexion wrote:
A townie would have NO reason to claim miller unless he actually wins with scum.
Most likely a fluff reasonZexion wrote:
FTR, pie is also playing secretive, like "hey guys guess corretly why I voted Slaini and you get townpoints!"
@Slaini is your doublevote a 1-shot ability?
MBomb
But in a closed setup we have no idea if there's only one miller, hypotetically there could be like 5 millers so the "doesn't allow scum to fakeclaim" isn't true.Frostings wrote:
It's good to claim miller early so that cop doesn't waste a night + it doesn't allow scum to fakeclaim laterZexion wrote:
A townie would have NO reason to claim miller unless he actually wins with scum.
What do you mean by fluff? If it is what I'm thinking, then no, his post seemed serious enough.Frostings wrote:
Most likely a fluff reasonZexion wrote:
FTR, pie is also playing secretive, like "hey guys guess corretly why I voted Slaini and you get townpoints!"
This game is inspired by Fakegod's Nightingale. It has many double voters that are day specific. So in this case his double vote might only work for D1.- Magic Bomb - wrote:
Ace Timing wrote:
If it was 1-shot, it wouldn't have activated without him specifically saying that he wanted to use it.
Frostings wrote:
2. No where did I mention that you would benefit from claiming Doublevoter
You say I forced that slip. If I had no reason to force a slip (e.G. having a benefit from it) then why should I do it? That's why think you have a reason to call it a forced slip. It you say that I don't have any benefit from it, then there's no reason to call it forced.Frostings wrote:
Vote: SlaiNi
really bad forced double vote slip
As I said, I hoped people just wouldn't notice it, other than it being a "messed up votecount". When the second one would've come without my 2 votes on, I hoped nobody would notice it. If I would've kept my vote, the second vote count would also have said "2 votes on xxx", which definitely would make clear that it wasn't a mod mistake.Frostings wrote:
3. The reason for your unvote. You say you wanted to hide your vote from the next vote count, which would confirm your role. But if there was a "mistake" in the first VC then it would just be corrected. If it isn't corrected (and you knew it wouldn't be) then... well... you're confirmed anyways
If scum tries to lynch someone, they try to keep their votes spread around and try not to have every scum on the wagon. I hoped that there would be a situation where someone is very townish for me and the other person is very scummish and both are going to get lynched. The townish person is L-1(townish) and the other person L-2(scummish) and then I come and hammer the scummish person with my 2 - votes. Now as they know that I have Doublevote, they try to avoid such a situation and rather hammer someone.Frostings wrote:
Explain this one to me?sLaiNi wrote:
Scum for example could plan their votes to negate my doublevote.
That were my thoughts atleast.
That's the kind of WIFOM he created.sLaiNi wrote:
No point on wasting a cop on him since he will turn out guilty.
If there's one miller, then that means there's a cop. Having 5 millers would make cop garbage
I'm not giving much attention to pieguy's vote because of this
I'm not giving much attention to pieguy's vote because of this
pieguy1372 wrote:
that's easily the best guess so far, but unfortunately, nopeAce Timing wrote:
@pieguy you wanted his spot.
> 1. Obviously I'm not voting you because of a "slip"sLaiNi wrote:
You say I forced that slip. If I had no reason to force a slip (e.G. having a benefit from it) then why should I do it? That's why think you have a reason to call it a forced slip. It you say that I don't have any benefit from it, then there's no reason to call it forced.
There is no "slip". The reason for voting was supposed to be a joke, but the vote itself is not. Maybe I should make my posts more literal
> if there was a "mistake" in the first VC then it would just be corrected. If it isn't corrected (and you knew it wouldn't be) then... well... you're confirmed anywayssLaiNi wrote:
As I said, I hoped people just wouldn't notice it, other than it being a "messed up votecount". When the second one would've come without my 2 votes on, I hoped nobody would notice it. If I would've kept my vote, the second vote count would also have said "2 votes on xxx", which definitely would make clear that it wasn't a mod mistake.
That's a cute plan. I don't really like others who try to take things into their own hands, especially involving hammers, though I can see where your thoughts are coming fromsLaiNi wrote:
If scum tries to lynch someone, they try to keep their votes spread around and try not to have every scum on the wagon. I hoped that there would be a situation where someone is very townish for me and the other person is very scummish and both are going to get lynched. The townish person is L-1(townish) and the other person L-2(scummish) and then I come and hammer the scummish person with my 2 - votes.
If you seriously think anyone would investigate me N1 you are kidding yourself because I'm pretty sure a lot of people who played with me won't even bother.sLaiNi wrote:
Why don't cry it out aloud "Don't nightscan me, I'm town eitherway no matter what the mod tells you I am".
So atleast I'm right when saying you were so serious about stating that your role is so bad, because you want to make sure noone investigates you?
Which is why I stated that my role is also ironic bc in the past games I stated that town can just lynch mafia until there's one left and then cop can just check me z.zfartownik wrote:
I don't see a reason why he would lie about that, especially right at the beginning of the game. Claiming Miller if you're scum at the beginning of the game is a terrible strategy.
You can try. It's not like I ever gotten a town PR role UNLESS I replaced in only to get N1ed or it was UPick.Amianki wrote:
Miller is an okay fakeclaim if you're ballsy. Anyone who can test it definitely should tonight.
Why do people keep thinking that town PR will target me N1 when they can get an easy read on me just by reading my post on D1?Frostings wrote:
Hmm how good is a miller fakeclaim? It might get cop off you but if there's a vig this game it's probably bad ..?
Zexion wrote:
Also that Miller claim D1. At least if there's a cop he/she knows who not to investigate. The question here is that if we should do a PL to eliminate the big WIFOM... probably a bit to soon to decide that.
No point on wasting a cop on him since he will turn out guilty. A townie would have NO reason to claim miller unless he actually wins with scum.
So yeah, setup spec isn't the reason why you're voting him otherwise it would be inconsistent with your other reads. It's probably because the sudden vote change which at least made no sense to me considering we were just starting. Anyways, why do we have to guess your intentions?
No I don''t win with mafia. How shocking.
Set-up spec do matter. You obv haven't seen Lapus in Tabula where I tried to clear people based off unrevealed PR dying.
Any sane town who is also miller would have probably claimed miller after I did just to get the town going. That or mafia has a Godfather which I am pretty sure Sakura deem as UNBALANCED.Zexion wrote:
But in a closed setup we have no idea if there's only one miller, hypotetically there could be like 5 millers so the "doesn't allow scum to fakeclaim" isn't true.
[/quote]Frostings wrote:
If there's one miller, then that means there's a cop. Having 5 millers would make cop garbage
Except I been in Upick where there was a godfather with no cop in the set-up.
MBomb
Oh right yeah, that makes sense, I just got confused by the wording I guess.Haneii wrote:
This game is inspired by Fakegod's Nightingale. It has many double voters that are day specific. So in this case his double vote might only work for D1.- Magic Bomb - wrote:
If it was 1-shot, it wouldn't have activated without him specifically saying that he wanted to use it.
Topic Starter
Vote Count 1.06
Frostings (3) - Drezi, sLaiNi
Haneii (2) - - Magic Bomb -, Amianki
sLaiNi (2) - pieguy1372, Frostings
rEdo (2) - fartownik, Setsuen
fartownik (1) - rEdo
Setsuen (1) - Zexion
- Magic Bomb - (1) - Static Noise Bird
Not Voting (2) - Ace Timing, Haneii
With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch
Maybe we should've built an elevator...Frostings (3) - Drezi, sLaiNi
Haneii (2) - - Magic Bomb -, Amianki
sLaiNi (2) - pieguy1372, Frostings
rEdo (2) - fartownik, Setsuen
fartownik (1) - rEdo
Setsuen (1) - Zexion
- Magic Bomb - (1) - Static Noise Bird
Not Voting (2) - Ace Timing, Haneii
With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch
yeah, but that's upick. I suppose Sakura could troll us with miller + no cop, but seems unlikely. The only real reason for miller in the first place is to weaken cop. But I mean, you could be a red herringSetsuen wrote:
Except I been in Upick where there was a godfather with no cop in the set-up.
Also everyone should remove their RVS votes already and get this game underway or else I'm gonna FoS everyone that doesn't
I half want to replace out so I can see Jess with Setsuen.
@Haneii: Were those day specific double voters self-aware?
I just gave an example with the 5 millers stuff, and the thing you quoted shows why pie is being secretive. His vote didn't seem like RVS. At all.
@Setsuen: As Amianki said, there's no reason to pay attention to the setup right now on D1 where we have no way to use it. What I have learn about that is that scum uses setup spec so they may appear they are doing something when in fact they're not.
So yeah, no reason to keep that going.
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Vote: Ace Timing
Setup spec+opinons.Frostings wrote:
If there's one miller, then that means there's a cop. Having 5 millers would make cop garbage
I'm not giving much attention to pieguy's vote because of thispieguy1372 wrote:
that's easily the best guess so far, but unfortunately, nope
I just gave an example with the 5 millers stuff, and the thing you quoted shows why pie is being secretive. His vote didn't seem like RVS. At all.
@Setsuen: As Amianki said, there's no reason to pay attention to the setup right now on D1 where we have no way to use it. What I have learn about that is that scum uses setup spec so they may appear they are doing something when in fact they're not.
So yeah, no reason to keep that going.
Quality content.Ace Timing wrote:
I half want to replace out so I can see Jess with Setsuen.
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Vote: Ace Timing
is that RVS or naw?
Yes.Zexion wrote:
@Haneii: Were those day specific double voters self-aware?
They had a mass claim on D4. The Day 4 doublevoter role claimed but never voted on their day. Since he never used it, how else would he have known his double vote only works on D4?
I'm leaving my vote on rEdo until they talk more. bc lets face it most of the time lurkers flip maf.Frostings wrote:
yeah, but that's upick. I suppose Sakura could troll us with miller + no cop, but seems unlikely. The only real reason for miller in the first place is to weaken cop. But I mean, you could be a red herringSetsuen wrote:
Except I been in Upick where there was a godfather with no cop in the set-up.
Also everyone should remove their RVS votes already and get this game underway or else I'm gonna FoS everyone that doesn't
MBomb
setsuen is probably town
that said, I more likely than not won't read his posts from here on out
that said, I more likely than not won't read his posts from here on out
I actually need to do some other stuff and haven't read the past 3 pages in-depth. I'll be back in a few hours.
Why do you think so?pieguy1372 wrote:
setsuen is probably town
It kinda felt like he was baiting anyone to check him tonight (in an odd setsuen kinda way).
Amianki following it up with a...
...doesn't sit well with me either.Amianki wrote:
Miller is an okay fakeclaim if you're ballsy. Anyone who can test it definitely should tonight.
Wow, I fucking fall asleep on a desk while typing this shit.
I'll just assume Setsuen is town for now, no point digging into this one. I think the Miller claim is actually legit, I don't think he has the balls to claim it as scum.
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I doubt that would be interesting to see Nevermind, I want to see spasms of imagination coming out from Setsuen. =D
Uhm, it adds extra pressure. You definitely should use it to get on reading people.sLaiNi wrote:
Because it's even a worse Idea to affect the behavior of the people with the double vote in mind.
IMO millers should claim right at the beginning of the game. What if that person got cop scanned, the result was revealed? Would they believe if that person went like "oh bois nevermind I'm le miller xD xD"?Zexion wrote:
No point on wasting a cop on him since he will turn out guilty. A townie would have NO reason to claim miller unless he actually wins with scum.
I approve this idea.Amianki wrote:
Miller is an okay fakeclaim if you're ballsy. Anyone who can test it definitely should tonight.
I'll just assume Setsuen is town for now, no point digging into this one. I think the Miller claim is actually legit, I don't think he has the balls to claim it as scum.
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Zexion wrote:
@rEdo: Yeah, it's getting pretty fucked up already and some of the reactions are just plain odd. Why would you want to produce CO2 on a fucking volcano planet?
[/quote]Ace Timing wrote:
I half want to replace out so I can see Jess with Setsuen.
Topic Starter
Vote Count 1.07
Frostings (4) - Drezi, sLaiNi, Amianki [L-3]
sLaiNi (2) - pieguy1372, Frostings
rEdo (2) - fartownik, Setsuen
- Magic Bomb - (1) - Static Noise Bird
Ace Timing (1) - Zexion
Not Voting (4) - Ace Timing, Haneii, - Magic Bomb -, rEdo
With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch
Frostings (4) - Drezi, sLaiNi, Amianki [L-3]
sLaiNi (2) - pieguy1372, Frostings
rEdo (2) - fartownik, Setsuen
- Magic Bomb - (1) - Static Noise Bird
Ace Timing (1) - Zexion
Not Voting (4) - Ace Timing, Haneii, - Magic Bomb -, rEdo
With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch
What do you mean here? With that claim he's either miller -> guilty result, or scum -> guilty result so there's no way anyone would have any reason to cop him.Haneii wrote:
It kinda felt like he was baiting anyone to check him tonight (in an odd setsuen kinda way)..
Btw having 2 neighbours it'd be kinda inconvenient to fakeclaim miller since you're limiting who can make the NK and if you're actually a scum PR you'd have trouble using that aswell without getting tangled up in lies, so overall I agree, we should stop worrying about Setsuen at least for today imo.
@sLaiNi: I really don't think hiding your passive doublevoting ability is a good idea as town, and you shouldn't want to just surprise hammer someone anyway.
I don't really agree with his thought process and behavior concerning his doublevoting ability at all, but looking at that only I didn't feel it was coming from scum.
What I didn't like is the exchange starting here: p/4424063
Farto tells Setsuen "LIES" and sLaiNi's sarcastic tone in the followup post gave me the impression that he doesn't really buy the claim either, yet when farto said he doesn't actually think Setsuen is lying, sLaiNi went on to agree "but still worth keeping an eye on" kinda taking a step back at the same time. So if you detailed your thoughts a bit more here sLaiNi, that'd be welcome.
Ace Timing wrote:
ayy confirm lmao
I think you didn't really like playing as scum last game, and you have trouble actually contributing here, because you rolled scum again.Ace Timing wrote:
I half want to replace out so I can see Jess with Setsuen.
Vote: Ace Timing
I actually didn't the buy claim, but farto's statementDrezi wrote:
What I didn't like is the exchange starting here: p/4424063
Farto tells Setsuen "LIES" and sLaiNi's sarcastic tone in the followup post gave me the impression that he doesn't really buy the claim either, yet when farto said he doesn't actually think Setsuen is lying, sLaiNi went on to agree "but still worth keeping an eye on" kinda taking a step back at the same time. So if you detailed your thoughts a bit more here sLaiNi, that'd be welcome.
made sense to me. It would actually be the worst strategy I guess. So I told him, that I think he is right with the statement above, but I still think keeping an eye on him is good, as he could still be scum and he uses our process of thoughts (thinking that the claim is so stupid that he can only be town) to make all think that he actually is town. That's the WIFOM I was referring to later:fartownik wrote:
I don't see a reason why he would lie about that, especially right at the beginning of the game. Claiming Miller if you're scum at the beginning of the game is a terrible strategy.
p/4424881 (I made a wrong quoting there, the "No point...." thing was actually from ZexionsLaiNi wrote:
That's the kind of WIFOM he created.Zexion wrote:
No point on wasting a cop on him since he will turn out guilty.
I scum read replacement just bc scums are usually the most likely to replace. Just saying.Ace Timing wrote:
I half want to replace out so I can see Jess with Setsuen.
MagicBomb confirm no play enough game with scum Navizel.- Magic Bomb - wrote:
Tbh most of the games I've seen of rEdo he doesn't exactly post much, so this isn't a good reason to vote him, imo, at least not yet.
Yes bc saying "probably"and then ignoring my post from here on out is going to help you get a good read on me.pieguy1372 wrote:
setsuen is probably town
that said, I more likely than not won't read his posts from here on out
I am pretty sure half to all of the players here have better things to do than target me N1.Haneii wrote:
Why do you think so?
It kinda felt like he was baiting anyone to check him tonight (in an odd setsuen kinda way).
Again I didn't need to claim it. Why are people assuming that ANYONE would target me N1. Ask yourself this. Would you yourself target me N1? The answer is probably no.rEdo wrote:
IMO millers should claim right at the beginning of the game. What if that person got cop scanned, the result was revealed? Would they believe if that person went like "oh bois nevermind I'm le miller xD xD"?
tldr:Stop assuming people are insane enough to target me N1.
Well, that's your opinion, right? It already seems like a couple of people are open to the idea of checking him at night.Drezi wrote:
Haneii wrote:
It kinda felt like he was baiting anyone to check him tonight (in an odd setsuen kinda way)..
What do you mean here? With that claim he's either miller -> guilty result, or scum -> guilty result so there's no way anyone would have any reason to cop him.
Also, how many times does he have to bring up? Not once does he explicitly say it's useless (Even made sure to let us know he doesn't mind if someone does). He just goes on about about how no one will try to/PRs have better things to do etc (almost tauntingly)
If you seriously think anyone would investigate me N1 you are kidding yourself because I'm pretty sure a lot of people who played with me won't even bother.
You can try. It's not like I ever gotten a town PR role UNLESS I replaced in only to get N1ed or it was UPick.
Why do people keep thinking that town PR will target me N1 when they can get an easy read on me just by reading my post on D1?^ as if that's the reason why a PR shouldn't scan him
I am pretty sure half to all of the players here have better things to do than target me N1.
Why are people assuming that ANYONE would target me N1. Ask yourself this. Would you yourself target me N1? The answer is probably no.
tldr:Stop assuming people are insane enough to target me N1.
Inconvenient? If Setsuen NK's now, and one of his neighbours claims they heard something, he can just claim he was probably targeted last night. And the only way his neighbours can get a read is if they don't use any night actions themselves. Furthermore, with all the neighbours hearing noise due to scum and town night activity, it might not be as easy to determine the alignment or direction of the activities.Drezi wrote:
Btw having 2 neighbours it'd be kinda inconvenient to fakeclaim miller since you're limiting who can make the NK and if you're actually a scum PR you'd have trouble using that aswell without getting tangled up in lies, so overall I agree, we should stop worrying about Setsuen at least for today imo.
I probably could have worded that better, but I'm in a hurry. Hope it makes sense XD
Why specifically N1?Setsuen wrote:
I am pretty sure half to all of the players here have better things to do than target me N1.
Sorry if it's obvious reason, I haven't played with a Miller before. Do PRs avoid scanning/checking them on N1 over other days? If so, why?
MBomb
You keep saying "Don't target me N1", and that is just super suspicious. It may seem stupid TO YOU, but I think if we have a role cop they should definitely scan you, as that's the only way to tell if your Miller claim is true or not, and if it's not, we don't need a cop to scan you because you've already said you'd come out guilty, and we could lynch you D2. Also, if the role cop ends up being scum, if there is one (I assume there's only one, there may be two but there's unlikely, and I'd assume you'd have the same thought pattern), that would make you a lot more likely in my eyes to be scum, as it'd be easier for you to take that risk.Setsuen wrote:
I am pretty sure half to all of the players here have better things to do than target me N1.Again I didn't need to claim it. Why are people assuming that ANYONE would target me N1. Ask yourself this. Would you yourself target me N1? The answer is probably no.rEdo wrote:
IMO millers should claim right at the beginning of the game. What if that person got cop scanned, the result was revealed? Would they believe if that person went like "oh bois nevermind I'm le miller xD xD"?
tldr:Stop assuming people are insane enough to target me N1.
MBomb
I think you hear the direction of where the noise came from, so the direction isn't confusing (unless I misunderstood what you meant by that)Haneii wrote:
Furthermore, with all the neighbours hearing noise due to scum and town night activity, it might not be as easy to determine the alignment or direction of the activities.