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pieguyn
hhhhhhhhh
i'll keep house 1
-[Jess]-
/replace
rEdo

Zexion wrote:

Guys why is SpaceChem such a drug. I just can't stop playing or thinking about that.

Edit:

A video would be much more easier to see. There's an option for this in-game that generates it and sends automatically to YouTube, too. I'd rather give you a hint what to fix than give you my solution :P
rEdo
Anyway just unbond the rightmost hydrogen from beta insert and the lone hydrogen from alpha insert, bond these two together and then bond the remainders. You can do this with two bonds and two unbonds per cycle, I saw you doing three bonds/unbonds in a row and that's just unnecessary.
Setsuen
I am confirming my pre-in.
sLaiNi
We're full I guess.
Zexion

rEdo wrote:

Anyway just unbond the rightmost hydrogen from beta insert and the lone hydrogen from alpha insert, bond these two together and then bond the remainders. You can do this with two bonds and two unbonds per cycle, I saw you doing three bonds/unbonds in a row and that's just unnecessary.
Now that you mention it you're right, there's no reason to break the C-N bond as we use it again... hmmm... my solution works but its really bad so I'll rework it. You don't mind if I ask again for other levels? :P
Setsuen
fyi Sakura I am fine with any of the 13houses.
Topic Starter
Sakura
~Pre-Game~
-The Ordinary People-

Fear them for they are many, the power of one cant fight, but together they can overthrow the opresors


I will be sending Role PMs shortly, please confirm in thread after you've received your role PM, game will start when 10/13 have confirmed
Edit: All Role PMs are out now
Zexion
Confirm
Amianki
Confirm
Birdy
Confirming.
Drezi
conf
Haneii
Confirm
fartownik
Ace Timing
ayy confirm lmao
MBomb
Confirm :D
sLaiNi
/confirm :3
MBomb
So close ;w;
Ace Timing
tfw only one more left
MBomb
inb4 it starts as i go to sleep :^)
Birdy
Same. I mean, school has started so I can have my reversed sleep pattern no more. Damn it. I just want to stay home and play mafia, is that too much to ask for? ;^;
Frostings
hi i'm here :)
MBomb
o hype confirmed
sLaiNi
Only Sakuras Post and we can go :3
Drezi
..to sleep, yeah, in my case :_D
Topic Starter
Sakura
~Day 1~
-The Early Bird-

As those who wake up early, will generally find they'll have more energy during the day
Current Housing:
[pieguy1372]
[Setsuen]
[- Magic Bomb -]
[Amianki]
[rEdo]
[Static Noise Bird]
[Haneii]
[Ace Timing]
[sLaiNi]
[Zexion]
[fartownik]
[Frostings]
[Drezi]



Not Voting (13) - pieguy1372, Setsuen, - Magic Bomb -, Amianki, rEdo, Static Noise Bird, Haneii, Ace Timing, sLaiNi, Zexion, fartownik, Frostings, Drezi

With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch

Deadline for hammer is 8/19 16:30 GMT-5
Deadline for confirming is 24 hours as of this post.
sLaiNi
Vote: Drezi

You being down there just to lower the chance of being caught. Die scum :3
sLaiNi
Forgot to say: Yeah, finally start :D
MBomb
Vote: Haneii

Firstly for me typoing your name like 4 times, secondly for you stealing my lucky number :^(
rEdo
*cough* Confirming *cough*
/late

Zexion wrote:

rEdo wrote:

Anyway just unbond the rightmost hydrogen from beta insert and the lone hydrogen from alpha insert, bond these two together and then bond the remainders. You can do this with two bonds and two unbonds per cycle, I saw you doing three bonds/unbonds in a row and that's just unnecessary.
Now that you mention it you're right, there's no reason to break the C-N bond as we use it again... hmmm... my solution works but its really bad so I'll rework it. You don't mind if I ask again for other levels? :P
No problem with me, I have completed the whole game. Had to look up some solutions at the end, though, because these levels were pretty fucked up.

Vote: fartownik
Standard RVS vote.
rEdo
@mod: Whenever somebody dies, that spot remains empty, like for example if SNB and Amianki would die, nobody would be able to hear an action from me? Or vice versa, if they both die, I won't be able to listen to anything?
rEdo
Woops, if you would, fix the bold tag while you're at it, pretty please. =D
Topic Starter
Sakura

rEdo wrote:

@mod: Whenever somebody dies, that spot remains empty, like for example if SNB and Amianki would die, nobody would be able to hear an action from me? Or vice versa, if they both die, I won't be able to listen to anything?
You hear actions when the person above you or below you either targets someone or gets targeted. It's a mechanic similar to that of the Motion Detector
rEdo
Yeah, I know. I just wonder if, for instance, I die, then would Amianki be able to listen to SNB and vice versa.
Topic Starter
Sakura

rEdo wrote:

Yeah, I know. I just wonder if, for instance, I die, then would Amianki be able to listen to SNB and vice versa.
Ah i see, in that case no, you can only hear from adjacent houses.
rEdo
In other words, would me dying leave an empty house or would SNB and Amianki become neighbours.
rEdo
Okay, thanks.
sLaiNi

rEdo wrote:

In other words, would me dying leave an empty house or would SNB and Amianki become neighbours.
Being cautious already?
sLaiNi
Whoops, was meant to quote the whole "If the ones beside me are killed, am I completely unhearable then?" thing
rEdo
Nah, just wondering how the tree setup works.
rEdo
Nice point, by the way. I like the fact you're cautious.

Now when I think about this, scum could be selecting kills so they can scumpaint people. Let's say scum is in [7], then the team could kill [6] and [8] and say "hey, [7] is completety unhearable nao, scum pls b0ss!!!!".
Topic Starter
Sakura
Vote Count 1.01

Drezi (2) - sLaiNi
Haneii (1) - - Magic Bomb -
fartownik (1) - rEdo

Not Voting (10) - pieguy1372, Amianki, Setsuen, Static Noise Bird, Haneii, Ace Timing, Zexion, fartownik, Frostings, Drezi

With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch
The leaves blow strongly with the wind, careful dont go falling down, it's quite a trip... very deadly

Vote Count should be fixed
Zexion

sLaiNi wrote:

Vote: Drezi

You being down there just to lower the chance of being caught. Die scum :3
First post in the game and already repeating stuff? Wow.

-------------------

Scumteam is SNB+Ace Timing. Easy game. Maybe Slaini too.

Vote: Setsuen

Wait who did I just vote...? Nah that should be fine.

@rEdo: Yeah, it's getting pretty fucked up already and some of the reactions are just plain odd. Why would you want to produce CO2 on a fucking volcano planet?
MBomb
Sakura that vote count is a bit messed up
Zexion
@Mod: Is moving houses allowed?
Amianki
Ignore the setup until we have a reason to pay attention to it, please.

Vote: Haneii
sLaiNi
Unvote

He's sleeping, poor one.
Topic Starter
Sakura

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Sakura that vote count is a bit messed up
There are no errors in the vote count. Edit: Nevermind, i thought you meant something else.

Zexion wrote:

@Mod: Is moving houses allowed?
I can't answer this question.
Zexion
Drezi is hated then.
sLaiNi

rEdo wrote:

Nice point, by the way. I like the fact you're cautious.

Now when I think about this, scum could be selecting kills so they can scumpaint people. Let's say scum is in [7], then the team could kill [6] and [8] and say "hey, [7] is completety unhearable nao, scum pls b0ss!!!!".
Good point there.

Also, scum could use this as WIFOM.

First point out, that scum could use what you wrote to make someone look suspicious and then do on a scum member to say "that would be so stupid that he can't be scum, scum is just trying to make us think he's scum".
Drezi
Sakura said she drew inspiration from FakeGod's Nightingale, I searched for it earlier and looks like it had a plenty of doublevoters (http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=61706 if someone is interested), I'm not hated btw, and it wouldn't show up as having 2 votes anyway.

Vote: Frostings
Zexion
I had to be sure, then prob. Slaini is a double-voter. Gonna take a look at that game.
Topic Starter
Sakura
Vote Count 1.02

Haneii (2) - - Magic Bomb -, Amianki
fartownik (1) - rEdo
Setsuen (1) - Zexion
Frostings (1) - Drezi

Not Voting (8) - pieguy1372, Setsuen, Static Noise Bird, Ace Timing, Haneii, fartownik, Frostings, sLaiNi
The wooden chairs on the wooden floor, their sound would wake up even a hard sleeper.
Drezi
Also about framing someone with the kills I thought it'd be by killing 2# or 12# since as scum it'd be easiest to "free up" a teammate that way if there's one in 1# or 13#.
sLaiNi

Drezi wrote:

Also about framing someone with the kills I thought it'd be by killing 2# or 12# since as scum it'd be easiest to "free up" a teammate that way if there's one in 1# or 13#.
Relying on these after Night 1 isn't that good though I guess, as it could also be the plan of killing 2 and 4 for a mate in position 3.
Drezi

Sakura wrote:

Zexion wrote:

@Mod: Is moving houses allowed?
I can't answer this question.
@Sakura: Can we assume that the slots as seen in the playerlist are always correct, unless you explicity tell us about changes?
sLaiNi

Drezi wrote:

@Sakura: Can we assume that the slots as seen in the playerlist are always correct, unless you explicity tell us about changes?
You think there is a person that can fake his slots?
Topic Starter
Sakura

Drezi wrote:

@Sakura: Can we assume that the slots as seen in the playerlist are always correct, unless you explicity tell us about changes?
The slots in the playerlist reflect the houses in the pre-game.
sLaiNi

Sakura wrote:

Drezi wrote:

@Sakura: Can we assume that the slots as seen in the playerlist are always correct, unless you explicity tell us about changes?
The slots in the playerlist reflect the houses in the pre-game.

Now I get it, I guess.

We see the House at the game's start, but it can change during the game.

Meaning there might be Roles which can change their position, or even the one of others, resulting in me, hearing someone below me going out, but it actually being Drezi instead of Zexion, because someone moved him.

That's my assumption.
Amianki
Why are we speculating on things that we don't know for sure even exist as part of the game?
pieguyn
vote: sLaiNi

Zexion might also be scum. Drezi maybe town.

free town points to the first person who correctly guesses why I made this vote.
Amianki
Kinda?

I really don't like how much he's going on about setup stuff and ignoring everything else, including the double vote he apparently has. Simplest explanation still equates to town, though.
Frostings
Vote: SlaiNi
really bad forced double vote slip
:oops:
Frostings
calling SlaiNi + rEdo scumpartners
FoS -MB-
easy game easy life
fartownik

pieguy1372 wrote:

vote: sLaiNi

Zexion might also be scum. Drezi maybe town.

free town points to the first person who correctly guesses why I made this vote.
Unvoting Haneii after Amianki also voted her to clumsily hide the fact that he's a Douiblevoter despite already revealing it. Also shitting WIFOM and setup spec all over the place.

Vote: rEdo
pieguyn

Amianki wrote:

Kinda?

I really don't like how much he's going on about setup stuff and ignoring everything else, including the double vote he apparently has. Simplest explanation still equates to town, though.
that's actually not the primary reason for it

fufufu, this is kinda fun
pieguyn
ftr i'd be fairly surprised if anyone actually guesses it correctly
Birdy
Vote: Magic Bomb

It's simple - his nickname is treebomb so basically I'm sure he is going to bomb this tree. :roll:

brb school
Ace Timing
@pieguy you wanted his spot.
Frostings
Sakura can you make ISO's pretty please? :oops:

also I miss Setsuen :(

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Vote: Magic Bomb

It's simple - his nickname is treebomb so basically I'm sure he is going to bomb this tree. :roll:
man RVS is already over let's get in the gaaame
pieguyn

Ace Timing wrote:

@pieguy you wanted his spot.
that's easily the best guess so far, but unfortunately, nope
Topic Starter
Sakura

Frostings wrote:

Sakura can you make ISO's pretty please? :oops:
Busy for that right now, but i'll have them up within an hour or 2 unless i forget, in which case i'll do it tomorrow morning.
Edit: They are up now!
Vote Count 1.03

Haneii (2) - - Magic Bomb -, Amianki
sLaiNi (2) - pieguy1372, Frostings
fartownik (1) - rEdo
Setsuen (1) - Zexion
Frostings (1) - Drezi
rEdo (1) - fartownik
- Magic Bomb - (1) - Static Noise Bird

Not Voting (4) - Setsuen, Ace Timing, Haneii, sLaiNi

With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch
Drezi
Hmm, sLaiNi's posting weirded me out at first, but tbh what I'm seeing is more like his intention to be more active this time, which is whatever.

@pie: dunno what you actually had in mind, but you saying that kinda helps to stray away from RVS which is a plus

Frostings so weren't you joking with that "forced doublevote slip" or what then? I don't really get it in that case.
sLaiNi
Okay, so I everyone caught up on it :D

So, I'm gonna go all over my thoughts:

I always tried to stay a bit in background for all of my games, because always when I try to be active, I get scumread, god knows why. That's why I was afraid of posting alot. Still, I had the most fun when actually posting, so I just went to "Firetruck this shisha, I'm gonna do what's fun" and post actively.

I thought that my Doublevoter ability would count when the lynches appear, but they wouldn't show up. I seem to be wrong with this one though :D Atleast I learned something out of it and started the game ^^

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Sakura that vote count is a bit messed up
As soon as he mentioned that, I noticed that I firetrucked up and decided to not let another votecount go with this, this is why I did this:

sLaiNi wrote:

Unvote

He's sleeping, poor one.
I knew this wasn't really hiding anything, but it was worth a try.

The posts afterwards, meaning all these assumptions, were made as I tried to cover up my fail. Didn't help, but again, it was worth a try.


pieguy1372 wrote:

vote: sLaiNi

Zexion might also be scum. Drezi maybe town.

free town points to the first person who correctly guesses why I made this vote.
TbH I don't see any relation between me and Zexion. Drezi pointed out the high possibility of there being doublevoters. That might be why you read him town.

Frostings wrote:

calling SlaiNi + rEdo scumpartners
That is more understandable to me, as the "cautious already?" seemed like some kind of distancing (some newbie kind of it though). So I can understand that assumption for redo + me being a scumteam, rather than Zexion+me. Explain your thoughts there, please.

Amianki wrote:

I really don't like how much he's going on about setup stuff and ignoring everything else, including the double vote he apparently has.
Yeah, I tried indeed to cover all up, that's why I ignored stuff, to not bring it up again.

Frostings wrote:

really bad forced double vote slip
Why should I force it? Even if I was scum, it wouldn't help me in any way, as town and scum can be doublevoter (I guess so?).
So I don't get what that "forced slip", as you call it, would give to me.
Drezi

sLaiNi wrote:

I noticed that I firetrucked up and decided to not let another votecount go with this, this is why I did this [the unvote]

I knew this wasn't really hiding anything, but it was worth a try.
??

sLaiNi wrote:

The posts afterwards, meaning all these assumptions, were made as I tried to cover up my fail. Didn't help, but again, it was worth a try.
??????
sLaiNi

Drezi wrote:

sLaiNi wrote:

I noticed that I firetrucked up and decided to not let another votecount go with this, this is why I did this [the unvote]

I knew this wasn't really hiding anything, but it was worth a try.
??

sLaiNi wrote:

The posts afterwards, meaning all these assumptions, were made as I tried to cover up my fail. Didn't help, but again, it was worth a try.
??????

I didn't want to reveal my Powerrole just with the first post, that's what I was talking about.

Or what do you mean?
Drezi
Knowing that would you have preferred not to vote like whole day or what? -.-
sLaiNi

Drezi wrote:

Knowing that would you have preferred not to vote like whole day or what? -.-
TbH, yes. Atleast until I am sure I want to lynch someone special.
Drezi
Why do you think that's a good idea?
sLaiNi

Drezi wrote:

Why do you think that's a good idea?
Because it's even a worse Idea to affect the behavior of the people with the double vote in mind.

Scum for example could plan their votes to negate my doublevote.

Of course then again, I could be wrong with my vote resulting in a misslynch.
Setsuen
Ok I'm here now.

10/10 Sakura. Thanks for giving me a lousy town role that's even worse than VT. Thanks for making it impossible for me not to get a good role unless it''s a UPick/I replace in only to get N1ed.

Vote:rEdo for rigging this up with Sakura. Conspiracy found. Especially since my role is quite ironic considering what I stated in the past games.

and I didn't even get to know which house I'm starting in.


Frostings wrote:

also I miss Setsuen :(

I'm busy playing my custom Only Awesome Roles set-up on Epicmafia.


pieguy1372 wrote:

vote: sLaiNi

Zexion might also be scum. Drezi maybe town.

free town points to the first person who correctly guesses why I made this vote.
You mean other than the fact that they decided to claim their role which is what I did before as mafia and the fact that they claimed double voter which literally messes up who you can vote off near MyLo/Lylo?
Setsuen
hanks for making it impossible for me to get a good role* 10/10 wrote wrong

Frostings wrote:

calling SlaiNi + rEdo scumpartners
FoS -MB-
easy game easy life

I hope you're joking Frosting. bc my reads are currently neutral until somebody slips badly in their intention when posting

rEdo wrote:

Nice point, by the way. I like the fact you're cautious.

Now when I think about this, scum could be selecting kills so they can scumpaint people. Let's say scum is in [7], then the team could kill [6] and [8] and say "hey, [7] is completety unhearable nao, scum pls b0ss!!!!".
In b4 reverse scum paint and the real scums actually scumpaint people who WIFOM instead of your hey number 7 is scum tactic.
So in exact it's really not possible to know what scum might do. They can do what slani said or accuse people with useless role like me.(and yes I have the right to self pity)


and............I figured out from Sakura's ISO what my house number is z.z
fartownik
god here we go
Setsuen

fartownik wrote:

god here we go
stop being jealous of my automatic scum hunting ability where scum clings onto me in an attempt to lynch me only to have it reverse bandwagoned.
sLaiNi
Setsuen, you overstrain me. Too much "OMG my town role is so bad, it's not even worth nightkilling me, especially because I am town and my role is so bad. Did I meantion that my role is bad?" in your posts o.O
Setsuen

sLaiNi wrote:

Setsuen, you overstrain me. Too much "OMG my town role is so bad, it's not even worth nightkilling me, especially because I am town and my role is so bad. Did I meantion that my role is bad?" in your posts o.O
You have no idea how bad my role is.
fartownik
what is your role
Setsuen

fartownik wrote:

what is your role
Miller.
fartownik
LIES
sLaiNi

Setsuen wrote:

fartownik wrote:

what is your role
Miller.
Why don't cry it out aloud "Don't nightscan me, I'm town eitherway no matter what the mod tells you I am".

So atleast I'm right when saying you were so serious about stating that your role is so bad, because you want to make sure noone investigates you?
fartownik
I don't see a reason why he would lie about that, especially right at the beginning of the game. Claiming Miller if you're scum at the beginning of the game is a terrible strategy.
sLaiNi

fartownik wrote:

I don't see a reason why he would lie about that, especially right at the beginning of the game. Claiming Miller if you're scum at the beginning of the game is a terrible strategy.
I support that.

It would make him even more suspicious. Still, I think keeping an eye on that would be worth.
sLaiNi
So Frostings, are you going to explain in what way I would benefit from forceclaiming Doublevoter? Your explanation seems rather like using the situation. For the time until you give a good explanation:

Vote: Frostings
Topic Starter
Sakura
Vote Count 1.04

Frostings (3) - Drezi, sLaiNi
Haneii (2) - - Magic Bomb -, Amianki
sLaiNi (2) - pieguy1372, Frostings
rEdo (2) - fartownik, Setsuen
fartownik (1) - rEdo
Setsuen (1) - Zexion
- Magic Bomb - (1) - Static Noise Bird


Not Voting (2) - Ace Timing, Haneii

With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch
The ruffling leaves in the wind... can't be heard with all this racket!
Amianki
Miller is an okay fakeclaim if you're ballsy. Anyone who can test it definitely should tonight.
MBomb

sLaiNi wrote:

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Sakura that vote count is a bit messed up
As soon as he mentioned that, I noticed that I firetrucked up and decided to not let another votecount go with this, this is why I did this:

sLaiNi wrote:

Unvote

He's sleeping, poor one.
Fun fact, I wasn't talking about the double vote here, I was talking about a different way in which the vote count was broken (At the time, Sakura accidentally put me as both voting and not voting), though tbh I didn't even notice the double vote, my reading skills so bad
Frostings
Hmm how good is a miller fakeclaim? It might get cop off you but if there's a vig this game it's probably bad ..?

sLaiNi wrote:

So Frostings, are you going to explain in what way I would benefit from forceclaiming Doublevoter? Your explanation seems rather like using the situation. For the time until you give a good explanation:

Vote: Frostings
nice double OMGUS vote :^)

1. Obviously I'm not voting you because of a "slip"
2. No where did I mention that you would benefit from claiming Doublevoter :roll:
3. The reason for your unvote. You say you wanted to hide your vote from the next vote count, which would confirm your role. But if there was a "mistake" in the first VC then it would just be corrected. If it isn't corrected (and you knew it wouldn't be) then... well... you're confirmed anyways

Also, not sure if holding your vote off until a lynch would have been all too good of an idea either :roll:
That's just playing secretive which I don't really like

sLaiNi wrote:

Scum for example could plan their votes to negate my doublevote.
Explain this one to me?
Zexion
@Farto: Not to defend Setsuen but those aren't his usual walls. The worst is yet to comme.

Also that Miller claim D1. At least if there's a cop he/she knows who not to investigate. The question here is that if we should do a PL to eliminate the big WIFOM... probably a bit to soon to decide that.

No point on wasting a cop on him since he will turn out guilty. A townie would have NO reason to claim miller unless he actually wins with scum.

@pieguy: I assume you voted Slaini becausee the heavy setup spec, but then you go saying I "might" be scum and that Drezi "might" be town even tho Drezi did a lot more setup spec that I did (FTR, I just made that question about moving houses and I stopped). Unless you count me saying that Drezi is hated which was a possibility other than Slaini having a double-vote.

So yeah, setup spec isn't the reason why you're voting him otherwise it would be inconsistent with your other reads. It's probably because the sudden vote change which at least made no sense to me considering we were just starting. Anyways, why do we have to guess your intentions?

Slaini's wall was a mess and I really don't get many of his points.

Frostings wrote:

That's just playing secretive which I don't really like
FTR, pie is also playing secretive, like "hey guys guess corretly why I voted Slaini and you get townpoints!"
Zexion
Just to clarify: I tought Drezi was hated because when I see double votes they're in the format:

Player A - 2 - Player B, Player B

but instead it was

Player A - 2 - Player B

so that led me to think the hated modifier on Drezi.
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