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Setsuen
106 posts
Joined May 2013
Setsuen
Ok I'm here now.

10/10 Sakura. Thanks for giving me a lousy town role that's even worse than VT. Thanks for making it impossible for me not to get a good role unless it''s a UPick/I replace in only to get N1ed.

Vote:rEdo for rigging this up with Sakura. Conspiracy found. Especially since my role is quite ironic considering what I stated in the past games.

and I didn't even get to know which house I'm starting in.


Frostings wrote:

also I miss Setsuen :(

I'm busy playing my custom Only Awesome Roles set-up on Epicmafia.


pieguy1372 wrote:

vote: sLaiNi

Zexion might also be scum. Drezi maybe town.

free town points to the first person who correctly guesses why I made this vote.
You mean other than the fact that they decided to claim their role which is what I did before as mafia and the fact that they claimed double voter which literally messes up who you can vote off near MyLo/Lylo?
Setsuen
106 posts
Joined May 2013
Setsuen
hanks for making it impossible for me to get a good role* 10/10 wrote wrong

Frostings wrote:

calling SlaiNi + rEdo scumpartners
FoS -MB-
easy game easy life

I hope you're joking Frosting. bc my reads are currently neutral until somebody slips badly in their intention when posting

rEdo wrote:

Nice point, by the way. I like the fact you're cautious.

Now when I think about this, scum could be selecting kills so they can scumpaint people. Let's say scum is in [7], then the team could kill [6] and [8] and say "hey, [7] is completety unhearable nao, scum pls b0ss!!!!".
In b4 reverse scum paint and the real scums actually scumpaint people who WIFOM instead of your hey number 7 is scum tactic.
So in exact it's really not possible to know what scum might do. They can do what slani said or accuse people with useless role like me.(and yes I have the right to self pity)


and............I figured out from Sakura's ISO what my house number is z.z
fartownik
2,189 posts
Joined December 2008
fartownik
god here we go
Setsuen
106 posts
Joined May 2013
Setsuen

fartownik wrote:

god here we go
stop being jealous of my automatic scum hunting ability where scum clings onto me in an attempt to lynch me only to have it reverse bandwagoned.
sLaiNi
34 posts
Joined May 2013
sLaiNi
Setsuen, you overstrain me. Too much "OMG my town role is so bad, it's not even worth nightkilling me, especially because I am town and my role is so bad. Did I meantion that my role is bad?" in your posts o.O
Setsuen
106 posts
Joined May 2013
Setsuen

sLaiNi wrote:

Setsuen, you overstrain me. Too much "OMG my town role is so bad, it's not even worth nightkilling me, especially because I am town and my role is so bad. Did I meantion that my role is bad?" in your posts o.O
You have no idea how bad my role is.
fartownik
2,189 posts
Joined December 2008
fartownik
what is your role
Setsuen
106 posts
Joined May 2013
Setsuen

fartownik wrote:

what is your role
Miller.
fartownik
2,189 posts
Joined December 2008
fartownik
LIES
sLaiNi
34 posts
Joined May 2013
sLaiNi

Setsuen wrote:

fartownik wrote:

what is your role
Miller.
Why don't cry it out aloud "Don't nightscan me, I'm town eitherway no matter what the mod tells you I am".

So atleast I'm right when saying you were so serious about stating that your role is so bad, because you want to make sure noone investigates you?
fartownik
2,189 posts
Joined December 2008
fartownik
I don't see a reason why he would lie about that, especially right at the beginning of the game. Claiming Miller if you're scum at the beginning of the game is a terrible strategy.
sLaiNi
34 posts
Joined May 2013
sLaiNi

fartownik wrote:

I don't see a reason why he would lie about that, especially right at the beginning of the game. Claiming Miller if you're scum at the beginning of the game is a terrible strategy.
I support that.

It would make him even more suspicious. Still, I think keeping an eye on that would be worth.
sLaiNi
34 posts
Joined May 2013
sLaiNi
So Frostings, are you going to explain in what way I would benefit from forceclaiming Doublevoter? Your explanation seems rather like using the situation. For the time until you give a good explanation:

Vote: Frostings
Sakura
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Sakura
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Frostings (3) - Drezi, sLaiNi
Haneii (2) - - Magic Bomb -, Amianki
sLaiNi (2) - pieguy1372, Frostings
rEdo (2) - fartownik, Setsuen
fartownik (1) - rEdo
Setsuen (1) - Zexion
- Magic Bomb - (1) - Static Noise Bird


Not Voting (2) - Ace Timing, Haneii

With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch
The ruffling leaves in the wind... can't be heard with all this racket!
Amianki
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Amianki
Miller is an okay fakeclaim if you're ballsy. Anyone who can test it definitely should tonight.
MBomb
MBomb

sLaiNi wrote:

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Sakura that vote count is a bit messed up
As soon as he mentioned that, I noticed that I firetrucked up and decided to not let another votecount go with this, this is why I did this:

sLaiNi wrote:

Unvote

He's sleeping, poor one.
Fun fact, I wasn't talking about the double vote here, I was talking about a different way in which the vote count was broken (At the time, Sakura accidentally put me as both voting and not voting), though tbh I didn't even notice the double vote, my reading skills so bad
Frostings
913 posts
Joined May 2013
Frostings
Hmm how good is a miller fakeclaim? It might get cop off you but if there's a vig this game it's probably bad ..?

sLaiNi wrote:

So Frostings, are you going to explain in what way I would benefit from forceclaiming Doublevoter? Your explanation seems rather like using the situation. For the time until you give a good explanation:

Vote: Frostings
nice double OMGUS vote :^)

1. Obviously I'm not voting you because of a "slip"
2. No where did I mention that you would benefit from claiming Doublevoter :roll:
3. The reason for your unvote. You say you wanted to hide your vote from the next vote count, which would confirm your role. But if there was a "mistake" in the first VC then it would just be corrected. If it isn't corrected (and you knew it wouldn't be) then... well... you're confirmed anyways

Also, not sure if holding your vote off until a lynch would have been all too good of an idea either :roll:
That's just playing secretive which I don't really like

sLaiNi wrote:

Scum for example could plan their votes to negate my doublevote.
Explain this one to me?
Zexion
308 posts
Joined May 2012
Zexion
@Farto: Not to defend Setsuen but those aren't his usual walls. The worst is yet to comme.

Also that Miller claim D1. At least if there's a cop he/she knows who not to investigate. The question here is that if we should do a PL to eliminate the big WIFOM... probably a bit to soon to decide that.

No point on wasting a cop on him since he will turn out guilty. A townie would have NO reason to claim miller unless he actually wins with scum.

@pieguy: I assume you voted Slaini becausee the heavy setup spec, but then you go saying I "might" be scum and that Drezi "might" be town even tho Drezi did a lot more setup spec that I did (FTR, I just made that question about moving houses and I stopped). Unless you count me saying that Drezi is hated which was a possibility other than Slaini having a double-vote.

So yeah, setup spec isn't the reason why you're voting him otherwise it would be inconsistent with your other reads. It's probably because the sudden vote change which at least made no sense to me considering we were just starting. Anyways, why do we have to guess your intentions?

Slaini's wall was a mess and I really don't get many of his points.

Frostings wrote:

That's just playing secretive which I don't really like
FTR, pie is also playing secretive, like "hey guys guess corretly why I voted Slaini and you get townpoints!"
Zexion
308 posts
Joined May 2012
Zexion
Just to clarify: I tought Drezi was hated because when I see double votes they're in the format:

Player A - 2 - Player B, Player B

but instead it was

Player A - 2 - Player B

so that led me to think the hated modifier on Drezi.
Sakura
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Frostings (3) - Drezi, sLaiNi
Haneii (2) - - Magic Bomb -, Amianki
sLaiNi (2) - pieguy1372, Frostings
rEdo (2) - fartownik, Setsuen
fartownik (1) - rEdo
Setsuen (1) - Zexion
- Magic Bomb - (1) - Static Noise Bird


Not Voting (2) - Ace Timing, Haneii

With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch
The child that came from outside...
Frostings
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Frostings

Zexion wrote:

A townie would have NO reason to claim miller unless he actually wins with scum.
It's good to claim miller early so that cop doesn't waste a night + it doesn't allow scum to fakeclaim later
Frostings
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Joined May 2013
Frostings

Zexion wrote:

FTR, pie is also playing secretive, like "hey guys guess corretly why I voted Slaini and you get townpoints!"
Most likely a fluff reason
Ace Timing
4 posts
Joined October 2014
Ace Timing
@Slaini is your doublevote a 1-shot ability?
MBomb
MBomb

Ace Timing wrote:

@Slaini is your doublevote a 1-shot ability?
If it was 1-shot, it wouldn't have activated without him specifically saying that he wanted to use it.
MBomb
MBomb
Oh also he's double voted both on Frostings and then on Drezi earlier on, so it's not.
Zexion
308 posts
Joined May 2012
Zexion

Frostings wrote:

Zexion wrote:

A townie would have NO reason to claim miller unless he actually wins with scum.
It's good to claim miller early so that cop doesn't waste a night + it doesn't allow scum to fakeclaim later
But in a closed setup we have no idea if there's only one miller, hypotetically there could be like 5 millers so the "doesn't allow scum to fakeclaim" isn't true.

Frostings wrote:

Zexion wrote:

FTR, pie is also playing secretive, like "hey guys guess corretly why I voted Slaini and you get townpoints!"
Most likely a fluff reason
What do you mean by fluff? If it is what I'm thinking, then no, his post seemed serious enough.
Haneii
1,203 posts
Joined November 2009
Haneii

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Ace Timing wrote:

If it was 1-shot, it wouldn't have activated without him specifically saying that he wanted to use it.
This game is inspired by Fakegod's Nightingale. It has many double voters that are day specific. So in this case his double vote might only work for D1.
sLaiNi
34 posts
Joined May 2013
sLaiNi

Frostings wrote:

2. No where did I mention that you would benefit from claiming Doublevoter :roll:

Frostings wrote:

Vote: SlaiNi
really bad forced double vote slip
You say I forced that slip. If I had no reason to force a slip (e.G. having a benefit from it) then why should I do it? That's why think you have a reason to call it a forced slip. It you say that I don't have any benefit from it, then there's no reason to call it forced.



Frostings wrote:

3. The reason for your unvote. You say you wanted to hide your vote from the next vote count, which would confirm your role. But if there was a "mistake" in the first VC then it would just be corrected. If it isn't corrected (and you knew it wouldn't be) then... well... you're confirmed anyways
As I said, I hoped people just wouldn't notice it, other than it being a "messed up votecount". When the second one would've come without my 2 votes on, I hoped nobody would notice it. If I would've kept my vote, the second vote count would also have said "2 votes on xxx", which definitely would make clear that it wasn't a mod mistake.

Frostings wrote:

sLaiNi wrote:

Scum for example could plan their votes to negate my doublevote.
Explain this one to me?
If scum tries to lynch someone, they try to keep their votes spread around and try not to have every scum on the wagon. I hoped that there would be a situation where someone is very townish for me and the other person is very scummish and both are going to get lynched. The townish person is L-1(townish) and the other person L-2(scummish) and then I come and hammer the scummish person with my 2 - votes. Now as they know that I have Doublevote, they try to avoid such a situation and rather hammer someone.

That were my thoughts atleast.

sLaiNi wrote:

No point on wasting a cop on him since he will turn out guilty.
That's the kind of WIFOM he created.
Frostings
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Frostings
If there's one miller, then that means there's a cop. Having 5 millers would make cop garbage

I'm not giving much attention to pieguy's vote because of this

pieguy1372 wrote:

Ace Timing wrote:

@pieguy you wanted his spot.
that's easily the best guess so far, but unfortunately, nope
Frostings
913 posts
Joined May 2013
Frostings

sLaiNi wrote:

You say I forced that slip. If I had no reason to force a slip (e.G. having a benefit from it) then why should I do it? That's why think you have a reason to call it a forced slip. It you say that I don't have any benefit from it, then there's no reason to call it forced.
> 1. Obviously I'm not voting you because of a "slip"
There is no "slip". The reason for voting was supposed to be a joke, but the vote itself is not. Maybe I should make my posts more literal


sLaiNi wrote:

As I said, I hoped people just wouldn't notice it, other than it being a "messed up votecount". When the second one would've come without my 2 votes on, I hoped nobody would notice it. If I would've kept my vote, the second vote count would also have said "2 votes on xxx", which definitely would make clear that it wasn't a mod mistake.
> if there was a "mistake" in the first VC then it would just be corrected. If it isn't corrected (and you knew it wouldn't be) then... well... you're confirmed anyways


sLaiNi wrote:

If scum tries to lynch someone, they try to keep their votes spread around and try not to have every scum on the wagon. I hoped that there would be a situation where someone is very townish for me and the other person is very scummish and both are going to get lynched. The townish person is L-1(townish) and the other person L-2(scummish) and then I come and hammer the scummish person with my 2 - votes.
That's a cute plan. I don't really like others who try to take things into their own hands, especially involving hammers, though I can see where your thoughts are coming from
Setsuen
106 posts
Joined May 2013
Setsuen

sLaiNi wrote:

Why don't cry it out aloud "Don't nightscan me, I'm town eitherway no matter what the mod tells you I am".

So atleast I'm right when saying you were so serious about stating that your role is so bad, because you want to make sure noone investigates you?
If you seriously think anyone would investigate me N1 you are kidding yourself because I'm pretty sure a lot of people who played with me won't even bother.

fartownik wrote:

I don't see a reason why he would lie about that, especially right at the beginning of the game. Claiming Miller if you're scum at the beginning of the game is a terrible strategy.
Which is why I stated that my role is also ironic bc in the past games I stated that town can just lynch mafia until there's one left and then cop can just check me z.z

Amianki wrote:

Miller is an okay fakeclaim if you're ballsy. Anyone who can test it definitely should tonight.
You can try. It's not like I ever gotten a town PR role UNLESS I replaced in only to get N1ed or it was UPick.


Frostings wrote:

Hmm how good is a miller fakeclaim? It might get cop off you but if there's a vig this game it's probably bad ..?
Why do people keep thinking that town PR will target me N1 when they can get an easy read on me just by reading my post on D1?

Zexion wrote:

Also that Miller claim D1. At least if there's a cop he/she knows who not to investigate. The question here is that if we should do a PL to eliminate the big WIFOM... probably a bit to soon to decide that.

No point on wasting a cop on him since he will turn out guilty. A townie would have NO reason to claim miller unless he actually wins with scum.

So yeah, setup spec isn't the reason why you're voting him otherwise it would be inconsistent with your other reads. It's probably because the sudden vote change which at least made no sense to me considering we were just starting. Anyways, why do we have to guess your intentions?

No I don''t win with mafia. How shocking.
Set-up spec do matter. You obv haven't seen Lapus in Tabula where I tried to clear people based off unrevealed PR dying.

Zexion wrote:

But in a closed setup we have no idea if there's only one miller, hypotetically there could be like 5 millers so the "doesn't allow scum to fakeclaim" isn't true.
Any sane town who is also miller would have probably claimed miller after I did just to get the town going. That or mafia has a Godfather which I am pretty sure Sakura deem as UNBALANCED.

Frostings wrote:

If there's one miller, then that means there's a cop. Having 5 millers would make cop garbage
[/quote]

Except I been in Upick where there was a godfather with no cop in the set-up.
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Setsuen
106 posts
Joined May 2013
Setsuen
Thanks quoting system. 10/10
MBomb
MBomb

Haneii wrote:

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

If it was 1-shot, it wouldn't have activated without him specifically saying that he wanted to use it.
This game is inspired by Fakegod's Nightingale. It has many double voters that are day specific. So in this case his double vote might only work for D1.
Oh right yeah, that makes sense, I just got confused by the wording I guess.
Sakura
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Sakura
Vote Count 1.06

Frostings (3) - Drezi, sLaiNi
Haneii (2) - - Magic Bomb -, Amianki
sLaiNi (2) - pieguy1372, Frostings
rEdo (2) - fartownik, Setsuen
fartownik (1) - rEdo
Setsuen (1) - Zexion
- Magic Bomb - (1) - Static Noise Bird


Not Voting (2) - Ace Timing, Haneii

With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch
Maybe we should've built an elevator...
rEdo
809 posts
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rEdo
oh my god it starts

Catching up.
Frostings
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Frostings

Setsuen wrote:

Except I been in Upick where there was a godfather with no cop in the set-up.
yeah, but that's upick. I suppose Sakura could troll us with miller + no cop, but seems unlikely. The only real reason for miller in the first place is to weaken cop. But I mean, you could be a red herring

Also everyone should remove their RVS votes already and get this game underway or else I'm gonna FoS everyone that doesn't >:( :oops:
Ace Timing
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Joined October 2014
Ace Timing
I half want to replace out so I can see Jess with Setsuen.
Zexion
308 posts
Joined May 2012
Zexion
@Haneii: Were those day specific double voters self-aware?

Frostings wrote:

If there's one miller, then that means there's a cop. Having 5 millers would make cop garbage

I'm not giving much attention to pieguy's vote because of this

pieguy1372 wrote:

that's easily the best guess so far, but unfortunately, nope
Setup spec+opinons.

I just gave an example with the 5 millers stuff, and the thing you quoted shows why pie is being secretive. His vote didn't seem like RVS. At all.

@Setsuen: As Amianki said, there's no reason to pay attention to the setup right now on D1 where we have no way to use it. What I have learn about that is that scum uses setup spec so they may appear they are doing something when in fact they're not.

So yeah, no reason to keep that going.

Ace Timing wrote:

I half want to replace out so I can see Jess with Setsuen.
Quality content.

Unvote

Vote: Ace Timing
Ace Timing
4 posts
Joined October 2014
Ace Timing
is that RVS or naw?
Amianki
85 posts
Joined January 2011
Amianki
Vote: Frostings
Haneii
1,203 posts
Joined November 2009
Haneii

Zexion wrote:

@Haneii: Were those day specific double voters self-aware?
Yes.

They had a mass claim on D4. The Day 4 doublevoter role claimed but never voted on their day. Since he never used it, how else would he have known his double vote only works on D4?
MBomb
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Unvote
Setsuen
106 posts
Joined May 2013
Setsuen

Frostings wrote:

Setsuen wrote:

Except I been in Upick where there was a godfather with no cop in the set-up.
yeah, but that's upick. I suppose Sakura could troll us with miller + no cop, but seems unlikely. The only real reason for miller in the first place is to weaken cop. But I mean, you could be a red herring

Also everyone should remove their RVS votes already and get this game underway or else I'm gonna FoS everyone that doesn't >:( :oops:
I'm leaving my vote on rEdo until they talk more. bc lets face it most of the time lurkers flip maf.
MBomb
MBomb

Setsuen wrote:

I'm leaving my vote on rEdo until they talk more. bc lets face it most of the time lurkers flip maf.
Tbh most of the games I've seen of rEdo he doesn't exactly post much, so this isn't a good reason to vote him, imo, at least not yet.
pieguyn
2,020 posts
Joined May 2009
pieguyn
setsuen is probably town

that said, I more likely than not won't read his posts from here on out
pieguyn
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pieguyn
I actually need to do some other stuff and haven't read the past 3 pages in-depth. I'll be back in a few hours.
Haneii
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Haneii

pieguy1372 wrote:

setsuen is probably town
Why do you think so?


It kinda felt like he was baiting anyone to check him tonight (in an odd setsuen kinda way).

Amianki following it up with a...

Amianki wrote:

Miller is an okay fakeclaim if you're ballsy. Anyone who can test it definitely should tonight.
...doesn't sit well with me either.
rEdo
809 posts
Joined November 2008
rEdo
Wow, I fucking fall asleep on a desk while typing this shit.

sLaiNi wrote:

Because it's even a worse Idea to affect the behavior of the people with the double vote in mind.
Uhm, it adds extra pressure. You definitely should use it to get on reading people.

Zexion wrote:

No point on wasting a cop on him since he will turn out guilty. A townie would have NO reason to claim miller unless he actually wins with scum.
IMO millers should claim right at the beginning of the game. What if that person got cop scanned, the result was revealed? Would they believe if that person went like "oh bois nevermind I'm le miller xD xD"?

Amianki wrote:

Miller is an okay fakeclaim if you're ballsy. Anyone who can test it definitely should tonight.
I approve this idea.

I'll just assume Setsuen is town for now, no point digging into this one. I think the Miller claim is actually legit, I don't think he has the balls to claim it as scum.

Unvote

Zexion wrote:

@rEdo: Yeah, it's getting pretty fucked up already and some of the reactions are just plain odd. Why would you want to produce CO2 on a fucking volcano planet?
:D

Ace Timing wrote:

I half want to replace out so I can see Jess with Setsuen.
[/quote]
I doubt that would be interesting to see Nevermind, I want to see spasms of imagination coming out from Setsuen. =D
Sakura
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Sakura
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Frostings (4) - Drezi, sLaiNi, Amianki [L-3]
sLaiNi (2) - pieguy1372, Frostings
rEdo (2) - fartownik, Setsuen
- Magic Bomb - (1) - Static Noise Bird
Ace Timing (1) - Zexion


Not Voting (4) - Ace Timing, Haneii, - Magic Bomb -, rEdo

With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch
Drezi
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Drezi

Haneii wrote:

It kinda felt like he was baiting anyone to check him tonight (in an odd setsuen kinda way)..
What do you mean here? With that claim he's either miller -> guilty result, or scum -> guilty result so there's no way anyone would have any reason to cop him.

Btw having 2 neighbours it'd be kinda inconvenient to fakeclaim miller since you're limiting who can make the NK and if you're actually a scum PR you'd have trouble using that aswell without getting tangled up in lies, so overall I agree, we should stop worrying about Setsuen at least for today imo.


@sLaiNi: I really don't think hiding your passive doublevoting ability is a good idea as town, and you shouldn't want to just surprise hammer someone anyway.

I don't really agree with his thought process and behavior concerning his doublevoting ability at all, but looking at that only I didn't feel it was coming from scum.
What I didn't like is the exchange starting here: p/4424063
Farto tells Setsuen "LIES" and sLaiNi's sarcastic tone in the followup post gave me the impression that he doesn't really buy the claim either, yet when farto said he doesn't actually think Setsuen is lying, sLaiNi went on to agree "but still worth keeping an eye on" kinda taking a step back at the same time. So if you detailed your thoughts a bit more here sLaiNi, that'd be welcome.

Ace Timing wrote:

ayy confirm lmao

Ace Timing wrote:

I half want to replace out so I can see Jess with Setsuen.
I think you didn't really like playing as scum last game, and you have trouble actually contributing here, because you rolled scum again.

Vote: Ace Timing
sLaiNi
34 posts
Joined May 2013
sLaiNi

Drezi wrote:

What I didn't like is the exchange starting here: p/4424063
Farto tells Setsuen "LIES" and sLaiNi's sarcastic tone in the followup post gave me the impression that he doesn't really buy the claim either, yet when farto said he doesn't actually think Setsuen is lying, sLaiNi went on to agree "but still worth keeping an eye on" kinda taking a step back at the same time. So if you detailed your thoughts a bit more here sLaiNi, that'd be welcome.
I actually didn't the buy claim, but farto's statement

fartownik wrote:

I don't see a reason why he would lie about that, especially right at the beginning of the game. Claiming Miller if you're scum at the beginning of the game is a terrible strategy.
made sense to me. It would actually be the worst strategy I guess. So I told him, that I think he is right with the statement above, but I still think keeping an eye on him is good, as he could still be scum and he uses our process of thoughts (thinking that the claim is so stupid that he can only be town) to make all think that he actually is town. That's the WIFOM I was referring to later:

sLaiNi wrote:

Zexion wrote:

No point on wasting a cop on him since he will turn out guilty.
That's the kind of WIFOM he created.
p/4424881 (I made a wrong quoting there, the "No point...." thing was actually from Zexion :x
Setsuen
106 posts
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Setsuen

Ace Timing wrote:

I half want to replace out so I can see Jess with Setsuen.
I scum read replacement just bc scums are usually the most likely to replace. Just saying.

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Tbh most of the games I've seen of rEdo he doesn't exactly post much, so this isn't a good reason to vote him, imo, at least not yet.
MagicBomb confirm no play enough game with scum Navizel.

pieguy1372 wrote:

setsuen is probably town

that said, I more likely than not won't read his posts from here on out
Yes bc saying "probably"and then ignoring my post from here on out is going to help you get a good read on me.

Haneii wrote:

Why do you think so?


It kinda felt like he was baiting anyone to check him tonight (in an odd setsuen kinda way).
I am pretty sure half to all of the players here have better things to do than target me N1.

rEdo wrote:

IMO millers should claim right at the beginning of the game. What if that person got cop scanned, the result was revealed? Would they believe if that person went like "oh bois nevermind I'm le miller xD xD"?
Again I didn't need to claim it. Why are people assuming that ANYONE would target me N1. Ask yourself this. Would you yourself target me N1? The answer is probably no.


tldr:Stop assuming people are insane enough to target me N1.
Haneii
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Haneii

Drezi wrote:

Haneii wrote:
It kinda felt like he was baiting anyone to check him tonight (in an odd setsuen kinda way)..

What do you mean here? With that claim he's either miller -> guilty result, or scum -> guilty result so there's no way anyone would have any reason to cop him.
Well, that's your opinion, right? It already seems like a couple of people are open to the idea of checking him at night.

Also, how many times does he have to bring up? Not once does he explicitly say it's useless (Even made sure to let us know he doesn't mind if someone does). He just goes on about about how no one will try to/PRs have better things to do etc (almost tauntingly)

If you seriously think anyone would investigate me N1 you are kidding yourself because I'm pretty sure a lot of people who played with me won't even bother.
You can try. It's not like I ever gotten a town PR role UNLESS I replaced in only to get N1ed or it was UPick.
Why do people keep thinking that town PR will target me N1 when they can get an easy read on me just by reading my post on D1?
^ as if that's the reason why a PR shouldn't scan him :roll:

I am pretty sure half to all of the players here have better things to do than target me N1.
Why are people assuming that ANYONE would target me N1. Ask yourself this. Would you yourself target me N1? The answer is probably no.
tldr:Stop assuming people are insane enough to target me N1.
Haneii
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Haneii

Drezi wrote:

Btw having 2 neighbours it'd be kinda inconvenient to fakeclaim miller since you're limiting who can make the NK and if you're actually a scum PR you'd have trouble using that aswell without getting tangled up in lies, so overall I agree, we should stop worrying about Setsuen at least for today imo.
Inconvenient? If Setsuen NK's now, and one of his neighbours claims they heard something, he can just claim he was probably targeted last night. And the only way his neighbours can get a read is if they don't use any night actions themselves. Furthermore, with all the neighbours hearing noise due to scum and town night activity, it might not be as easy to determine the alignment or direction of the activities.

I probably could have worded that better, but I'm in a hurry. Hope it makes sense XD
Haneii
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Haneii

Setsuen wrote:

I am pretty sure half to all of the players here have better things to do than target me N1.
Why specifically N1?

Sorry if it's obvious reason, I haven't played with a Miller before. Do PRs avoid scanning/checking them on N1 over other days? If so, why?
MBomb
MBomb

Setsuen wrote:

I am pretty sure half to all of the players here have better things to do than target me N1.

rEdo wrote:

IMO millers should claim right at the beginning of the game. What if that person got cop scanned, the result was revealed? Would they believe if that person went like "oh bois nevermind I'm le miller xD xD"?
Again I didn't need to claim it. Why are people assuming that ANYONE would target me N1. Ask yourself this. Would you yourself target me N1? The answer is probably no.


tldr:Stop assuming people are insane enough to target me N1.
You keep saying "Don't target me N1", and that is just super suspicious. It may seem stupid TO YOU, but I think if we have a role cop they should definitely scan you, as that's the only way to tell if your Miller claim is true or not, and if it's not, we don't need a cop to scan you because you've already said you'd come out guilty, and we could lynch you D2. Also, if the role cop ends up being scum, if there is one (I assume there's only one, there may be two but there's unlikely, and I'd assume you'd have the same thought pattern), that would make you a lot more likely in my eyes to be scum, as it'd be easier for you to take that risk.
MBomb
MBomb

Haneii wrote:

Furthermore, with all the neighbours hearing noise due to scum and town night activity, it might not be as easy to determine the alignment or direction of the activities.
I think you hear the direction of where the noise came from, so the direction isn't confusing (unless I misunderstood what you meant by that)
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proddodge
coming home later today
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Replacing out.
Sakura
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Static Noise Bird wrote:

Replacing out.
Searching for a replacement for Static Noise Bird
Setsuen
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Setsuen

Haneii wrote:

Why specifically N1?

Sorry if it's obvious reason, I haven't played with a Miller before. Do PRs avoid scanning/checking them on N1 over other days? If so, why?
You mean other than the fact that NO ONE has ever targetted me N1 on this site except for that stupid game where I replaced in only to get nightkilled? Pretty sure no investigative role ever tried checking me in the few games I played here. So I rest my case.

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

You keep saying "Don't target me N1", and that is just super suspicious. It may seem stupid TO YOU, but I think if we have a role cop they should definitely scan you, as that's the only way to tell if your Miller claim is true or not, and if it's not, we don't need a cop to scan you because you've already said you'd come out guilty, and we could lynch you D2. Also, if the role cop ends up being scum, if there is one (I assume there's only one, there may be two but there's unlikely, and I'd assume you'd have the same thought pattern), that would make you a lot more likely in my eyes to be scum, as it'd be easier for you to take that risk.
I don't care if a role cop target me bc I'm town. That and my PM say that I show up guilty to all cops which hints that there are possibly more than one cop anyway.

That and I don't fake roleclaim. Unless of course no one wants to remember that UPick where i claimed my exact role.

and I only said no one would target me N1 bc no one ever has except for night kill. Which just reinforce the fact that no one probably will ever target me N1. Does that tell you why I'm confident no one would check me N1? bc If I was scum I don't need to claim miller just based off the fact that no investigative role has ever checked me in all the games I had on this site.

Haneii wrote:

Well, that's your opinion, right? It already seems like a couple of people are open to the idea of checking him at night.
Just because they're open to checking me doesn't mean they will if they are cop. Esp for those who played with me before.
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Navizel replaces Static Noise Bird effective immediately
Vote Count 1.08

Frostings (3) - sLaiNi, Amianki
sLaiNi (2) - pieguy1372, Frostings
rEdo (2) - fartownik, Setsuen
Ace Timing (2) - Zexion, Drezi
- Magic Bomb - (1) - Navizel

Not Voting (4) - Ace Timing, Haneii, - Magic Bomb -, rEdo

With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch
Drezi
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Drezi
guys I'm not sure what's there to even debate about this, obviously it's pointless to cop him to get a guilty result, and if there's a rolecop, that should verify his claim that's about it.

also Setsuen stop with the semi-trust tells ("I don't fake roleclaim") and we don't care about who targeted you or who did not in past games, so can you actually play zzzz
Navizel
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mehehehehehehehehehehe
Navizel
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Navizel
Setsuen, I'm scum. Hit me. :^)

Reading the thread now.
Navizel
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Navizel
Vote: sLaiNi

- Magic Bomb -, please remove your vote.
Drezi
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Drezi
can you post some explanation for your vote?

Magic Bomb isn't voting anyone it was the other way around, why would you ask him to remove it from you anyway.
Navizel
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Navizel
oh fuck lmao I'm drunk

I'm still reading
MBomb
MBomb

Navizel wrote:

oh fuck lmao I'm drunk

I'm still reading
lmao i was like wut
Navizel
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Navizel

Amianki wrote:

Why are we speculating on things that we don't know for sure even exist as part of the game?
I agree with this one tbh. I'd rather discuss this on Day 2.

fartownik wrote:

Unvoting Haneii after Amianki also voted her to clumsily hide the fact that he's a Douiblevoter despite already revealing it. Also shitting WIFOM and setup spec all over the place.
Yeah. I don't get why he would vote Drezi and suddenly unvote him for no reason. His Drezi vote was from RVS but he didn't even get a reaction from him. What? He reeks of scum.
Navizel
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Navizel
Okay so that was a vote test

lol lol lol
Navizel
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Navizel
@sLaini, did you even ask the mod about how your double vote powers work? You seem to be quick about changing opinions too. Something to keep an eye on.

pieguy1372 wrote:

vote: sLaiNi

Zexion might also be scum. Drezi maybe town.

free town points to the first person who correctly guesses why I made this vote.
You mean other than the fact that they decided to claim their role which is what I did before as mafia and the fact that they claimed double voter which literally messes up who you can vote off near MyLo/Lylo?[/quote]
Drezi did?

Amianki wrote:

Miller is an okay fakeclaim if you're ballsy. Anyone who can test it definitely should tonight.
I don't like this post.
sLaiNi
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sLaiNi

Navizel wrote:

Yeah. I don't get why he would vote Drezi and suddenly unvote him for no reason. His Drezi vote was from RVS but he didn't even get a reaction from him. What? He reeks of scum.
We went over this like a thousand times... I tried to hide my role, even though it critically failed.

Navizel wrote:

@sLaini, did you even ask the mod about how your double vote powers work? You seem to be quick about changing opinions too. Something to keep an eye on.
No, I thought it was pretty easy to understand. Turned out there actually were things which could be missunderstood.
Navizel
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Navizel
You tried to hide your role by voting?????

@mod, do we only get to detect adjacent neighbors if we didn't do anything?
Haneii
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Haneii

Drezi wrote:

guys I'm not sure what's there to even debate about this, obviously it's pointless to cop him to get a guilty result, and if there's a rolecop, that should verify his claim that's about it
I'm not debating over whether or not its a good idea to "cop" him (however bomb made a good point about a role cop). It's the fact that he keeps mentioning over and over again how no will bother to target him (particularly N1 for some reason). Its pretty much a theme in all his posts (and no it's not because someone keeps bringing it up, because he makes a point of repeating himself).

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

I think you hear the direction of where the noise came from, so the direction isn't confusing (unless I misunderstood what you meant by that)
Sorry about the confusing post. When I said direction I meant if you heard a sound above you, you can't tell if that person left to target someone or if they were targeted.
Drezi
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Drezi
I think repeating stuff over and over is a theme of Setsuen himself :D
Navizel
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Navizel

sLaiNi wrote:

If scum tries to lynch someone, they try to keep their votes spread around and try not to have every scum on the wagon. I hoped that there would be a situation where someone is very townish for me and the other person is very scummish and both are going to get lynched. The townish person is L-1(townish) and the other person L-2(scummish) and then I come and hammer the scummish person with my 2 - votes. Now as they know that I have Doublevote, they try to avoid such a situation and rather hammer someone.
Seeing as how this is a 13-p game, I don't expect scum would make their votes spread.

@Haneii and Ace Timing, can you guys vote someone?
MBomb
MBomb

Navizel wrote:

@Haneii and Ace Timing, can you guys vote someone?
Why those 2 in particular?
Haneii
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Haneii
I doubt there will be more than one double voter today.

vote: setsuen
MBomb
MBomb
oh right i get it I'm an idiot
Navizel
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Navizel
By the way, houses are determined first before roles so I don't get why would someone be scum because of their position. ???
MBomb
MBomb
Also, sLaiNi, are you doublevoter just for today?
sLaiNi
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sLaiNi

Navizel wrote:

You tried to hide your role by voting?????

@mod, do we only get to detect adjacent neighbors if we didn't do anything?
I explained it somewhere, I might post a link to it later.
Amianki
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Amianki
What exactly is wrong with my statement?
Setsuen
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Setsuen

Haneii wrote:

I'm not debating over whether or not its a good idea to "cop" him (however bomb made a good point about a role cop). It's the fact that he keeps mentioning over and over again how no will bother to target him (particularly N1 for some reason). Its pretty much a theme in all his posts (and no it's not because someone keeps bringing it up, because he makes a point of repeating himself).
But you're the one who's asking "Why N1" ,Setsuen might be baiting blah blah blah. I find it more suspicious why you're making me repeat myself.

Drezi wrote:

I think repeating stuff over and over is a theme of Setsuen himself :D
Not my fault people don't get it.

Haneii wrote:

I doubt there will be more than one double voter today.

vote: setsuen
and now you vote me. AFTER you made me repeat myself. Scum much?
Sakura
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Navizel wrote:

@mod, do we only get to detect adjacent neighbors if we didn't do anything?
Yes, you only hear stuff if you take No Action (or your role doesn't have any active night abilties so you wouldn't be able to take action anyway)
Vote Count 1.09

Frostings (3) - sLaiNi, Amianki
sLaiNi (3) - pieguy1372, Frostings, Navizel
rEdo (2) - fartownik, Setsuen
Ace Timing (2) - Zexion, Drezi
Setsuen (1) - Haneii

Not Voting (3) - Ace Timing, - Magic Bomb -, rEdo

With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch
Setsuen
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Setsuen
also FYI most of Haneii post are about him not trusting me bc of possible WIFOM and my claim. But if you look closely into the intention behind his post he's just trying to "passively"point town into the direction of MLing on me which is what a scum would do.(and Haneii obv haven't seen Lapus)
I am so going to heavily check whichever scum is dumb enough to side with Haneei on my BW.
Haneii
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Haneii
Sorry for being suspicious over the fact that you're taunting PRs. Not to mention your fascination with N1 (in a game that looks like it roles are day specific. Are you even a miller? Is your role day specific?)
Haneii
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Haneii
Or night specific?
MBomb
MBomb

Haneii wrote:

Sorry for being suspicious over the fact that you're taunting PRs. Not to mention your fascination with N1 (in a game that looks like it roles are day specific.)
Just wondering, how does this game look like its roles are day specific?
Drezi
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Drezi
Do you find any other people suspicious Haneii?
MBomb
MBomb
As in, if you're judging that based off the doublevote then that's a weird thing to base your assumption off of.
Zexion
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Zexion

Ace Timing wrote:

is that RVS or naw?
What makes you think that was RVS? We're already over it so please began submitting actual content... maybe by submiting a vote for starters?

Setsuen wrote:

That and I don't fake roleclaim. Unless of course no one wants to remember that UPick where i claimed my exact role.
Yeah sure. I think you could get in trouble for this statement... Drezi beat me to it, but stop using previous games already. Meta seems to be always your only argument to do anything.

Setsuen wrote:

also FYI most of Haneii post are about him not trusting me bc of possible WIFOM and my claim. But if you look closely into the intention behind his post he's just trying to "passively"point town into the direction of MLing on me which is what a scum would do.(and Haneii obv haven't seen Lapus)
I am so going to heavily check whichever scum is dumb enough to side with Haneei on my BW.
Can you rewrite this? I swear I didn't get half of it. ML-ing? BW?

--------------------

I hope that rEdo's didn't notice Ace's lack of contribution when he posted or else I'll have to worry.

We all should drop the Miller claim for now. It's obvious that we won't get anything out of it right now and while it does bring a good lot of WIFOM (man, and it's already setsuen so its like WIFOM^2) I don't think we can do anything about this right now. Night-specific miller sounds kinda bastard and I seriously think we should discard it.

Can someone explain me the case on Slaini? Too much setup-spec?
Navizel
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Navizel

Amianki wrote:

What exactly is wrong with my statement?
I don't know. I just don't like it. I don't think it would help town to waste a night on a claimed miller when there are others which is more suspicious than Setsuen.
Setsuen
106 posts
Joined May 2013
Setsuen

Haneii wrote:

Sorry for being suspicious over the fact that you're taunting PRs. Not to mention your fascination with N1 (in a game that looks like it roles are day specific. Are you even a miller? Is your role day specific?)
"Taunting" when I'm just stating facts. Yeah right.
and you're yet again CONTINUING the argument by saying Äre you even Miller". This is like an obvious bait to start an neverending argument with me so that it looks like you're actually doing something when you're obviously not.


Zexion wrote:

Can you rewrite this? I swear I didn't get half of it. ML-ing? BW?
Simple. Haneii is trying to start up a mislynch on me by voting me based off that fact that I claimed miller and was "taunting" the PRs. He obviously wants his scum buddy to somehow join in to start a bandwagon on me.

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Just wondering, how does this game look like its roles are day specific?
bc one double voter claim = everyone is probably day specific roles. Thanks Haneii. I make assumption about whether people would target me N1 and you try so hard to lynch me and now you're making your own assumption.

Zexion wrote:

We all should drop the Miller claim for now. It's obvious that we won't get anything out of it right now and while it does bring a good lot of WIFOM (man, and it's already setsuen so its like WIFOM^2) I don't think we can do anything about this right now. Night-specific miller sounds kinda bastard and I seriously think we should discard it.
Or I could actually be Town PR and Haneii is baiting me to out my real role. Makes you wonder why Haneii is trying so hard to tunnel on me when 1.It's difficult to get a mislynch off me D1 bc of possible WIFOM anyway and 2.My possible WIFOM rekt mafia(in this case invaders) when I am town.

Navizel wrote:

I don't know. I just don't like it. I don't think it would help town to waste a night on a claimed miller when there are others which is more suspicious than Setsuen.
Why are people still pointlessly discussing my claim and whether investigative role should check me? You're just letting scum just lurk and post some stupid post about whether my claim is believable z.z

Current FOS:Haneii(bc of his determination in trying to ML on me) and possible fartownik bc "I trust his claim" is something Sephibro pulled off before. That and fartownik hasn't posted for 32hrs.
Ace Timing
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Ace Timing
Sorry for the inactivity, I've been out for a bit but when I get back I should be able to post more, the replacing put thing was a joke about how in a previous game someone mentioned wanting to see Jess and Setsuen in the same game, not me actually wanting to replace out. I actually liked playing scum in that other game btw for whoever said something about how I didn't like it and I want to replace out.
Amianki
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Amianki

Navizel wrote:

Amianki wrote:

What exactly is wrong with my statement?
I don't know. I just don't like it. I don't think it would help town to waste a night on a claimed miller when there are others which is more suspicious than Setsuen.
Miller is an anti-town role that is one of the biggest WIFOM-magnets you can have in a game. Just being able to determine whether it's true or not will basically save us a lynch by itself since miller claims are a PL if they stay alive and unconfirmed.
Setsuen
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Setsuen

Amianki wrote:

Miller is an anti-town role that is one of the biggest WIFOM-magnets you can have in a game. Just being able to determine whether it's true or not will basically save us a lynch by itself since miller claims are a PL if they stay alive and unconfirmed.
Except that the only person who can truly clear me as town is a ROLE cop and we aren't even sure if there is one.

@Mod:Time to add Navizel's ISO
Ace Timing
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Ace Timing
Navi's ISO: search.php?author_id=780635&t=356881
Ace Timing
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Ace Timing
Is there even a point in investigating a miller claim? Either way it'll turn up mafia, don't see what could come of investigating it.
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