Zexion wrote:

rEdo wrote:

Anyway just unbond the rightmost hydrogen from beta insert and the lone hydrogen from alpha insert, bond these two together and then bond the remainders. You can do this with two bonds and two unbonds per cycle, I saw you doing three bonds/unbonds in a row and that's just unnecessary.

Now that you mention it you're right, there's no reason to break the C-N bond as we use it again... hmmm... my solution works but its really bad so I'll rework it. You don't mind if I ask again for other levels?

rEdo wrote:

@mod: Whenever somebody dies, that spot remains empty, like for example if SNB and Amianki would die, nobody would be able to hear an action from me? Or vice versa, if they both die, I won't be able to listen to anything?

rEdo wrote:

Yeah, I know. I just wonder if, for instance, I die, then would Amianki be able to listen to SNB and vice versa.

rEdo wrote:

In other words, would me dying leave an empty house or would SNB and Amianki become neighbours.

sLaiNi wrote:

Vote: Drezi

You being down there just to lower the chance of being caught. Die scum :3

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Sakura that vote count is a bit messed up

Zexion wrote:

@Mod: Is moving houses allowed?

rEdo wrote:

Nice point, by the way. I like the fact you're cautious.

Now when I think about this, scum could be selecting kills so they can scumpaint people. Let's say scum is in [7], then the team could kill [6] and [8] and say "hey, [7] is completety unhearable nao, scum pls b0ss!!!!".

Drezi wrote:

Also about framing someone with the kills I thought it'd be by killing 2# or 12# since as scum it'd be easiest to "free up" a teammate that way if there's one in 1# or 13#.

Sakura wrote:

Zexion wrote:

@Mod: Is moving houses allowed?

I can't answer this question.

Drezi wrote:

@Sakura: Can we assume that the slots as seen in the playerlist are always correct, unless you explicity tell us about changes?

Drezi wrote:

@Sakura: Can we assume that the slots as seen in the playerlist are always correct, unless you explicity tell us about changes?

Sakura wrote:

Drezi wrote:

@Sakura: Can we assume that the slots as seen in the playerlist are always correct, unless you explicity tell us about changes?

The slots in the playerlist reflect the houses in the pre-game.

pieguy1372 wrote:

vote: sLaiNi

Zexion might also be scum. Drezi maybe town.

free town points to the first person who correctly guesses why I made this vote.

Amianki wrote:

Kinda?

I really don't like how much he's going on about setup stuff and ignoring everything else, including the double vote he apparently has. Simplest explanation still equates to town, though.

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Vote: Magic Bomb

It's simple - his nickname is treebomb so basically I'm sure he is going to bomb this tree.

Ace Timing wrote:

@pieguy you wanted his spot.

Frostings wrote:

Sakura can you make ISO's pretty please?

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Sakura that vote count is a bit messed up

sLaiNi wrote:

Unvote

He's sleeping, poor one.

pieguy1372 wrote:

vote: sLaiNi

Zexion might also be scum. Drezi maybe town.

free town points to the first person who correctly guesses why I made this vote.

Frostings wrote:

calling SlaiNi + rEdo scumpartners

Amianki wrote:

I really don't like how much he's going on about setup stuff and ignoring everything else, including the double vote he apparently has.

Frostings wrote:

really bad forced double vote slip

sLaiNi wrote:

I noticed that I firetrucked up and decided to not let another votecount go with this, this is why I did this [the unvote]

I knew this wasn't really hiding anything, but it was worth a try.

sLaiNi wrote:

The posts afterwards, meaning all these assumptions, were made as I tried to cover up my fail. Didn't help, but again, it was worth a try.

Drezi wrote:

sLaiNi wrote:

I noticed that I firetrucked up and decided to not let another votecount go with this, this is why I did this [the unvote]

I knew this wasn't really hiding anything, but it was worth a try.

??

sLaiNi wrote:

The posts afterwards, meaning all these assumptions, were made as I tried to cover up my fail. Didn't help, but again, it was worth a try.

??????

Drezi wrote:

Knowing that would you have preferred not to vote like whole day or what? -.-

Drezi wrote:

Why do you think that's a good idea?

Frostings wrote:

also I miss Setsuen

pieguy1372 wrote:

vote: sLaiNi

Zexion might also be scum. Drezi maybe town.

free town points to the first person who correctly guesses why I made this vote.

Frostings wrote:

calling SlaiNi + rEdo scumpartners
FoS -MB-
easy game easy life

rEdo wrote:

Nice point, by the way. I like the fact you're cautious.

Now when I think about this, scum could be selecting kills so they can scumpaint people. Let's say scum is in [7], then the team could kill [6] and [8] and say "hey, [7] is completety unhearable nao, scum pls b0ss!!!!".

fartownik wrote:

god here we go

sLaiNi wrote:

Setsuen, you overstrain me. Too much "OMG my town role is so bad, it's not even worth nightkilling me, especially because I am town and my role is so bad. Did I meantion that my role is bad?" in your posts o.O

fartownik wrote:

what is your role

Setsuen wrote:

fartownik wrote:

what is your role

Miller.

fartownik wrote:

I don't see a reason why he would lie about that, especially right at the beginning of the game. Claiming Miller if you're scum at the beginning of the game is a terrible strategy.

sLaiNi wrote:

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Sakura that vote count is a bit messed up

As soon as he mentioned that, I noticed that I firetrucked up and decided to not let another votecount go with this, this is why I did this:

sLaiNi wrote:

Unvote

He's sleeping, poor one.

sLaiNi wrote:

So Frostings, are you going to explain in what way I would benefit from forceclaiming Doublevoter? Your explanation seems rather like using the situation. For the time until you give a good explanation:

Vote: Frostings

sLaiNi wrote:

Scum for example could plan their votes to negate my doublevote.

Frostings wrote:

That's just playing secretive which I don't really like

Zexion wrote:

A townie would have NO reason to claim miller unless he actually wins with scum.

Zexion wrote:

FTR, pie is also playing secretive, like "hey guys guess corretly why I voted Slaini and you get townpoints!"

Ace Timing wrote:

@Slaini is your doublevote a 1-shot ability?

Frostings wrote:

Zexion wrote:

A townie would have NO reason to claim miller unless he actually wins with scum.

It's good to claim miller early so that cop doesn't waste a night + it doesn't allow scum to fakeclaim later

Frostings wrote:

Zexion wrote:

FTR, pie is also playing secretive, like "hey guys guess corretly why I voted Slaini and you get townpoints!"

Most likely a fluff reason

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Ace Timing wrote:

If it was 1-shot, it wouldn't have activated without him specifically saying that he wanted to use it.

Frostings wrote:

2. No where did I mention that you would benefit from claiming Doublevoter

Frostings wrote:

Vote: SlaiNi
really bad forced double vote slip

Frostings wrote:

3. The reason for your unvote. You say you wanted to hide your vote from the next vote count, which would confirm your role. But if there was a "mistake" in the first VC then it would just be corrected. If it isn't corrected (and you knew it wouldn't be) then... well... you're confirmed anyways

Frostings wrote:

sLaiNi wrote:

Scum for example could plan their votes to negate my doublevote.

Explain this one to me?

sLaiNi wrote:

No point on wasting a cop on him since he will turn out guilty.

pieguy1372 wrote:

Ace Timing wrote:

@pieguy you wanted his spot.

that's easily the best guess so far, but unfortunately, nope

sLaiNi wrote:

You say I forced that slip. If I had no reason to force a slip (e.G. having a benefit from it) then why should I do it? That's why think you have a reason to call it a forced slip. It you say that I don't have any benefit from it, then there's no reason to call it forced.

sLaiNi wrote:

As I said, I hoped people just wouldn't notice it, other than it being a "messed up votecount". When the second one would've come without my 2 votes on, I hoped nobody would notice it. If I would've kept my vote, the second vote count would also have said "2 votes on xxx", which definitely would make clear that it wasn't a mod mistake.

sLaiNi wrote:

If scum tries to lynch someone, they try to keep their votes spread around and try not to have every scum on the wagon. I hoped that there would be a situation where someone is very townish for me and the other person is very scummish and both are going to get lynched. The townish person is L-1(townish) and the other person L-2(scummish) and then I come and hammer the scummish person with my 2 - votes.

sLaiNi wrote:

Why don't cry it out aloud "Don't nightscan me, I'm town eitherway no matter what the mod tells you I am".

So atleast I'm right when saying you were so serious about stating that your role is so bad, because you want to make sure noone investigates you?

fartownik wrote:

I don't see a reason why he would lie about that, especially right at the beginning of the game. Claiming Miller if you're scum at the beginning of the game is a terrible strategy.

Amianki wrote:

Miller is an okay fakeclaim if you're ballsy. Anyone who can test it definitely should tonight.

Frostings wrote:

Hmm how good is a miller fakeclaim? It might get cop off you but if there's a vig this game it's probably bad ..?

Zexion wrote:

Also that Miller claim D1. At least if there's a cop he/she knows who not to investigate. The question here is that if we should do a PL to eliminate the big WIFOM... probably a bit to soon to decide that.

No point on wasting a cop on him since he will turn out guilty. A townie would have NO reason to claim miller unless he actually wins with scum.

So yeah, setup spec isn't the reason why you're voting him otherwise it would be inconsistent with your other reads. It's probably because the sudden vote change which at least made no sense to me considering we were just starting. Anyways, why do we have to guess your intentions?

Zexion wrote:

But in a closed setup we have no idea if there's only one miller, hypotetically there could be like 5 millers so the "doesn't allow scum to fakeclaim" isn't true.

Frostings wrote:

If there's one miller, then that means there's a cop. Having 5 millers would make cop garbage

Haneii wrote:

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

If it was 1-shot, it wouldn't have activated without him specifically saying that he wanted to use it.

This game is inspired by Fakegod's Nightingale. It has many double voters that are day specific. So in this case his double vote might only work for D1.

Setsuen wrote:

Except I been in Upick where there was a godfather with no cop in the set-up.

Frostings wrote:

If there's one miller, then that means there's a cop. Having 5 millers would make cop garbage

I'm not giving much attention to pieguy's vote because of this

pieguy1372 wrote:

that's easily the best guess so far, but unfortunately, nope

Ace Timing wrote:

I half want to replace out so I can see Jess with Setsuen.

Zexion wrote:

@Haneii: Were those day specific double voters self-aware?

Frostings wrote:

Setsuen wrote:

Except I been in Upick where there was a godfather with no cop in the set-up.

yeah, but that's upick. I suppose Sakura could troll us with miller + no cop, but seems unlikely. The only real reason for miller in the first place is to weaken cop. But I mean, you could be a red herring

Also everyone should remove their RVS votes already and get this game underway or else I'm gonna FoS everyone that doesn't

Setsuen wrote:

I'm leaving my vote on rEdo until they talk more. bc lets face it most of the time lurkers flip maf.

pieguy1372 wrote:

setsuen is probably town

Amianki wrote:

Miller is an okay fakeclaim if you're ballsy. Anyone who can test it definitely should tonight.

sLaiNi wrote:

Because it's even a worse Idea to affect the behavior of the people with the double vote in mind.

Zexion wrote:

No point on wasting a cop on him since he will turn out guilty. A townie would have NO reason to claim miller unless he actually wins with scum.

Amianki wrote:

Miller is an okay fakeclaim if you're ballsy. Anyone who can test it definitely should tonight.

Zexion wrote:

@rEdo: Yeah, it's getting pretty fucked up already and some of the reactions are just plain odd. Why would you want to produce CO2 on a fucking volcano planet?

Ace Timing wrote:

I half want to replace out so I can see Jess with Setsuen.