Fun fact, I wasn't talking about the double vote here, I was talking about a different way in which the vote count was broken (At the time, Sakura accidentally put me as both voting and not voting), though tbh I didn't even notice the double vote, my reading skills so badsLaiNi wrote:
As soon as he mentioned that, I noticed that I firetrucked up and decided to not let another votecount go with this, this is why I did this:- Magic Bomb - wrote:
Sakura that vote count is a bit messed upsLaiNi wrote:
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He's sleeping, poor one.
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Hmm how good is a miller fakeclaim? It might get cop off you but if there's a vig this game it's probably bad ..?
1. Obviously I'm not voting you because of a "slip"
2. No where did I mention that you would benefit from claiming Doublevoter
3. The reason for your unvote. You say you wanted to hide your vote from the next vote count, which would confirm your role. But if there was a "mistake" in the first VC then it would just be corrected. If it isn't corrected (and you knew it wouldn't be) then... well... you're confirmed anyways
Also, not sure if holding your vote off until a lynch would have been all too good of an idea either
That's just playing secretive which I don't really like
nice double OMGUS vote :^)sLaiNi wrote:
So Frostings, are you going to explain in what way I would benefit from forceclaiming Doublevoter? Your explanation seems rather like using the situation. For the time until you give a good explanation:
Vote: Frostings
1. Obviously I'm not voting you because of a "slip"
2. No where did I mention that you would benefit from claiming Doublevoter
3. The reason for your unvote. You say you wanted to hide your vote from the next vote count, which would confirm your role. But if there was a "mistake" in the first VC then it would just be corrected. If it isn't corrected (and you knew it wouldn't be) then... well... you're confirmed anyways
Also, not sure if holding your vote off until a lynch would have been all too good of an idea either
That's just playing secretive which I don't really like
Explain this one to me?sLaiNi wrote:
Scum for example could plan their votes to negate my doublevote.
@Farto: Not to defend Setsuen but those aren't his usual walls. The worst is yet to comme.
Also that Miller claim D1. At least if there's a cop he/she knows who not to investigate. The question here is that if we should do a PL to eliminate the big WIFOM... probably a bit to soon to decide that.
No point on wasting a cop on him since he will turn out guilty. A townie would have NO reason to claim miller unless he actually wins with scum.
@pieguy: I assume you voted Slaini becausee the heavy setup spec, but then you go saying I "might" be scum and that Drezi "might" be town even tho Drezi did a lot more setup spec that I did (FTR, I just made that question about moving houses and I stopped). Unless you count me saying that Drezi is hated which was a possibility other than Slaini having a double-vote.
So yeah, setup spec isn't the reason why you're voting him otherwise it would be inconsistent with your other reads. It's probably because the sudden vote change which at least made no sense to me considering we were just starting. Anyways, why do we have to guess your intentions?
Slaini's wall was a mess and I really don't get many of his points.
Also that Miller claim D1. At least if there's a cop he/she knows who not to investigate. The question here is that if we should do a PL to eliminate the big WIFOM... probably a bit to soon to decide that.
No point on wasting a cop on him since he will turn out guilty. A townie would have NO reason to claim miller unless he actually wins with scum.
@pieguy: I assume you voted Slaini becausee the heavy setup spec, but then you go saying I "might" be scum and that Drezi "might" be town even tho Drezi did a lot more setup spec that I did (FTR, I just made that question about moving houses and I stopped). Unless you count me saying that Drezi is hated which was a possibility other than Slaini having a double-vote.
So yeah, setup spec isn't the reason why you're voting him otherwise it would be inconsistent with your other reads. It's probably because the sudden vote change which at least made no sense to me considering we were just starting. Anyways, why do we have to guess your intentions?
Slaini's wall was a mess and I really don't get many of his points.
FTR, pie is also playing secretive, like "hey guys guess corretly why I voted Slaini and you get townpoints!"Frostings wrote:
That's just playing secretive which I don't really like
Just to clarify: I tought Drezi was hated because when I see double votes they're in the format:
Player A - 2 - Player B, Player B
but instead it was
Player A - 2 - Player B
so that led me to think the hated modifier on Drezi.
Player A - 2 - Player B, Player B
but instead it was
Player A - 2 - Player B
so that led me to think the hated modifier on Drezi.
Topic Starter
Vote Count 1.05
Frostings (3) - Drezi, sLaiNi
Haneii (2) - - Magic Bomb -, Amianki
sLaiNi (2) - pieguy1372, Frostings
rEdo (2) - fartownik, Setsuen
fartownik (1) - rEdo
Setsuen (1) - Zexion
- Magic Bomb - (1) - Static Noise Bird
Not Voting (2) - Ace Timing, Haneii
With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch
The child that came from outside...Frostings (3) - Drezi, sLaiNi
Haneii (2) - - Magic Bomb -, Amianki
sLaiNi (2) - pieguy1372, Frostings
rEdo (2) - fartownik, Setsuen
fartownik (1) - rEdo
Setsuen (1) - Zexion
- Magic Bomb - (1) - Static Noise Bird
Not Voting (2) - Ace Timing, Haneii
With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch
It's good to claim miller early so that cop doesn't waste a night + it doesn't allow scum to fakeclaim laterZexion wrote:
A townie would have NO reason to claim miller unless he actually wins with scum.
Most likely a fluff reasonZexion wrote:
FTR, pie is also playing secretive, like "hey guys guess corretly why I voted Slaini and you get townpoints!"
@Slaini is your doublevote a 1-shot ability?
MBomb
But in a closed setup we have no idea if there's only one miller, hypotetically there could be like 5 millers so the "doesn't allow scum to fakeclaim" isn't true.Frostings wrote:
It's good to claim miller early so that cop doesn't waste a night + it doesn't allow scum to fakeclaim laterZexion wrote:
A townie would have NO reason to claim miller unless he actually wins with scum.
What do you mean by fluff? If it is what I'm thinking, then no, his post seemed serious enough.Frostings wrote:
Most likely a fluff reasonZexion wrote:
FTR, pie is also playing secretive, like "hey guys guess corretly why I voted Slaini and you get townpoints!"
This game is inspired by Fakegod's Nightingale. It has many double voters that are day specific. So in this case his double vote might only work for D1.- Magic Bomb - wrote:
Ace Timing wrote:
If it was 1-shot, it wouldn't have activated without him specifically saying that he wanted to use it.
Frostings wrote:
2. No where did I mention that you would benefit from claiming Doublevoter
You say I forced that slip. If I had no reason to force a slip (e.G. having a benefit from it) then why should I do it? That's why think you have a reason to call it a forced slip. It you say that I don't have any benefit from it, then there's no reason to call it forced.Frostings wrote:
Vote: SlaiNi
really bad forced double vote slip
As I said, I hoped people just wouldn't notice it, other than it being a "messed up votecount". When the second one would've come without my 2 votes on, I hoped nobody would notice it. If I would've kept my vote, the second vote count would also have said "2 votes on xxx", which definitely would make clear that it wasn't a mod mistake.Frostings wrote:
3. The reason for your unvote. You say you wanted to hide your vote from the next vote count, which would confirm your role. But if there was a "mistake" in the first VC then it would just be corrected. If it isn't corrected (and you knew it wouldn't be) then... well... you're confirmed anyways
If scum tries to lynch someone, they try to keep their votes spread around and try not to have every scum on the wagon. I hoped that there would be a situation where someone is very townish for me and the other person is very scummish and both are going to get lynched. The townish person is L-1(townish) and the other person L-2(scummish) and then I come and hammer the scummish person with my 2 - votes. Now as they know that I have Doublevote, they try to avoid such a situation and rather hammer someone.Frostings wrote:
Explain this one to me?sLaiNi wrote:
Scum for example could plan their votes to negate my doublevote.
That were my thoughts atleast.
That's the kind of WIFOM he created.sLaiNi wrote:
No point on wasting a cop on him since he will turn out guilty.
If there's one miller, then that means there's a cop. Having 5 millers would make cop garbage
I'm not giving much attention to pieguy's vote because of this
I'm not giving much attention to pieguy's vote because of this
pieguy1372 wrote:
that's easily the best guess so far, but unfortunately, nopeAce Timing wrote:
@pieguy you wanted his spot.
> 1. Obviously I'm not voting you because of a "slip"sLaiNi wrote:
You say I forced that slip. If I had no reason to force a slip (e.G. having a benefit from it) then why should I do it? That's why think you have a reason to call it a forced slip. It you say that I don't have any benefit from it, then there's no reason to call it forced.
There is no "slip". The reason for voting was supposed to be a joke, but the vote itself is not. Maybe I should make my posts more literal
> if there was a "mistake" in the first VC then it would just be corrected. If it isn't corrected (and you knew it wouldn't be) then... well... you're confirmed anywayssLaiNi wrote:
As I said, I hoped people just wouldn't notice it, other than it being a "messed up votecount". When the second one would've come without my 2 votes on, I hoped nobody would notice it. If I would've kept my vote, the second vote count would also have said "2 votes on xxx", which definitely would make clear that it wasn't a mod mistake.
That's a cute plan. I don't really like others who try to take things into their own hands, especially involving hammers, though I can see where your thoughts are coming fromsLaiNi wrote:
If scum tries to lynch someone, they try to keep their votes spread around and try not to have every scum on the wagon. I hoped that there would be a situation where someone is very townish for me and the other person is very scummish and both are going to get lynched. The townish person is L-1(townish) and the other person L-2(scummish) and then I come and hammer the scummish person with my 2 - votes.
If you seriously think anyone would investigate me N1 you are kidding yourself because I'm pretty sure a lot of people who played with me won't even bother.sLaiNi wrote:
Why don't cry it out aloud "Don't nightscan me, I'm town eitherway no matter what the mod tells you I am".
So atleast I'm right when saying you were so serious about stating that your role is so bad, because you want to make sure noone investigates you?
Which is why I stated that my role is also ironic bc in the past games I stated that town can just lynch mafia until there's one left and then cop can just check me z.zfartownik wrote:
I don't see a reason why he would lie about that, especially right at the beginning of the game. Claiming Miller if you're scum at the beginning of the game is a terrible strategy.
You can try. It's not like I ever gotten a town PR role UNLESS I replaced in only to get N1ed or it was UPick.Amianki wrote:
Miller is an okay fakeclaim if you're ballsy. Anyone who can test it definitely should tonight.
Why do people keep thinking that town PR will target me N1 when they can get an easy read on me just by reading my post on D1?Frostings wrote:
Hmm how good is a miller fakeclaim? It might get cop off you but if there's a vig this game it's probably bad ..?
Zexion wrote:
Also that Miller claim D1. At least if there's a cop he/she knows who not to investigate. The question here is that if we should do a PL to eliminate the big WIFOM... probably a bit to soon to decide that.
No point on wasting a cop on him since he will turn out guilty. A townie would have NO reason to claim miller unless he actually wins with scum.
So yeah, setup spec isn't the reason why you're voting him otherwise it would be inconsistent with your other reads. It's probably because the sudden vote change which at least made no sense to me considering we were just starting. Anyways, why do we have to guess your intentions?
No I don''t win with mafia. How shocking.
Set-up spec do matter. You obv haven't seen Lapus in Tabula where I tried to clear people based off unrevealed PR dying.
Any sane town who is also miller would have probably claimed miller after I did just to get the town going. That or mafia has a Godfather which I am pretty sure Sakura deem as UNBALANCED.Zexion wrote:
But in a closed setup we have no idea if there's only one miller, hypotetically there could be like 5 millers so the "doesn't allow scum to fakeclaim" isn't true.
[/quote]Frostings wrote:
If there's one miller, then that means there's a cop. Having 5 millers would make cop garbage
Except I been in Upick where there was a godfather with no cop in the set-up.
MBomb
Oh right yeah, that makes sense, I just got confused by the wording I guess.Haneii wrote:
This game is inspired by Fakegod's Nightingale. It has many double voters that are day specific. So in this case his double vote might only work for D1.- Magic Bomb - wrote:
If it was 1-shot, it wouldn't have activated without him specifically saying that he wanted to use it.
Topic Starter
Vote Count 1.06
Frostings (3) - Drezi, sLaiNi
Haneii (2) - - Magic Bomb -, Amianki
sLaiNi (2) - pieguy1372, Frostings
rEdo (2) - fartownik, Setsuen
fartownik (1) - rEdo
Setsuen (1) - Zexion
- Magic Bomb - (1) - Static Noise Bird
Not Voting (2) - Ace Timing, Haneii
With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch
Maybe we should've built an elevator...Frostings (3) - Drezi, sLaiNi
Haneii (2) - - Magic Bomb -, Amianki
sLaiNi (2) - pieguy1372, Frostings
rEdo (2) - fartownik, Setsuen
fartownik (1) - rEdo
Setsuen (1) - Zexion
- Magic Bomb - (1) - Static Noise Bird
Not Voting (2) - Ace Timing, Haneii
With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch
yeah, but that's upick. I suppose Sakura could troll us with miller + no cop, but seems unlikely. The only real reason for miller in the first place is to weaken cop. But I mean, you could be a red herringSetsuen wrote:
Except I been in Upick where there was a godfather with no cop in the set-up.
Also everyone should remove their RVS votes already and get this game underway or else I'm gonna FoS everyone that doesn't
I half want to replace out so I can see Jess with Setsuen.
@Haneii: Were those day specific double voters self-aware?
I just gave an example with the 5 millers stuff, and the thing you quoted shows why pie is being secretive. His vote didn't seem like RVS. At all.
@Setsuen: As Amianki said, there's no reason to pay attention to the setup right now on D1 where we have no way to use it. What I have learn about that is that scum uses setup spec so they may appear they are doing something when in fact they're not.
So yeah, no reason to keep that going.
Unvote
Vote: Ace Timing
Setup spec+opinons.Frostings wrote:
If there's one miller, then that means there's a cop. Having 5 millers would make cop garbage
I'm not giving much attention to pieguy's vote because of thispieguy1372 wrote:
that's easily the best guess so far, but unfortunately, nope
I just gave an example with the 5 millers stuff, and the thing you quoted shows why pie is being secretive. His vote didn't seem like RVS. At all.
@Setsuen: As Amianki said, there's no reason to pay attention to the setup right now on D1 where we have no way to use it. What I have learn about that is that scum uses setup spec so they may appear they are doing something when in fact they're not.
So yeah, no reason to keep that going.
Quality content.Ace Timing wrote:
I half want to replace out so I can see Jess with Setsuen.
Unvote
Vote: Ace Timing
is that RVS or naw?
Yes.Zexion wrote:
@Haneii: Were those day specific double voters self-aware?
They had a mass claim on D4. The Day 4 doublevoter role claimed but never voted on their day. Since he never used it, how else would he have known his double vote only works on D4?
I'm leaving my vote on rEdo until they talk more. bc lets face it most of the time lurkers flip maf.Frostings wrote:
yeah, but that's upick. I suppose Sakura could troll us with miller + no cop, but seems unlikely. The only real reason for miller in the first place is to weaken cop. But I mean, you could be a red herringSetsuen wrote:
Except I been in Upick where there was a godfather with no cop in the set-up.
Also everyone should remove their RVS votes already and get this game underway or else I'm gonna FoS everyone that doesn't
MBomb
setsuen is probably town
that said, I more likely than not won't read his posts from here on out
that said, I more likely than not won't read his posts from here on out
I actually need to do some other stuff and haven't read the past 3 pages in-depth. I'll be back in a few hours.
Why do you think so?pieguy1372 wrote:
setsuen is probably town
It kinda felt like he was baiting anyone to check him tonight (in an odd setsuen kinda way).
Amianki following it up with a...
...doesn't sit well with me either.Amianki wrote:
Miller is an okay fakeclaim if you're ballsy. Anyone who can test it definitely should tonight.
Wow, I fucking fall asleep on a desk while typing this shit.
I'll just assume Setsuen is town for now, no point digging into this one. I think the Miller claim is actually legit, I don't think he has the balls to claim it as scum.
Unvote
I doubt that would be interesting to see Nevermind, I want to see spasms of imagination coming out from Setsuen. =D
Uhm, it adds extra pressure. You definitely should use it to get on reading people.sLaiNi wrote:
Because it's even a worse Idea to affect the behavior of the people with the double vote in mind.
IMO millers should claim right at the beginning of the game. What if that person got cop scanned, the result was revealed? Would they believe if that person went like "oh bois nevermind I'm le miller xD xD"?Zexion wrote:
No point on wasting a cop on him since he will turn out guilty. A townie would have NO reason to claim miller unless he actually wins with scum.
I approve this idea.Amianki wrote:
Miller is an okay fakeclaim if you're ballsy. Anyone who can test it definitely should tonight.
I'll just assume Setsuen is town for now, no point digging into this one. I think the Miller claim is actually legit, I don't think he has the balls to claim it as scum.
Unvote
Zexion wrote:
@rEdo: Yeah, it's getting pretty fucked up already and some of the reactions are just plain odd. Why would you want to produce CO2 on a fucking volcano planet?
[/quote]Ace Timing wrote:
I half want to replace out so I can see Jess with Setsuen.
Topic Starter
Vote Count 1.07
Frostings (4) - Drezi, sLaiNi, Amianki [L-3]
sLaiNi (2) - pieguy1372, Frostings
rEdo (2) - fartownik, Setsuen
- Magic Bomb - (1) - Static Noise Bird
Ace Timing (1) - Zexion
Not Voting (4) - Ace Timing, Haneii, - Magic Bomb -, rEdo
With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch
Frostings (4) - Drezi, sLaiNi, Amianki [L-3]
sLaiNi (2) - pieguy1372, Frostings
rEdo (2) - fartownik, Setsuen
- Magic Bomb - (1) - Static Noise Bird
Ace Timing (1) - Zexion
Not Voting (4) - Ace Timing, Haneii, - Magic Bomb -, rEdo
With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch
What do you mean here? With that claim he's either miller -> guilty result, or scum -> guilty result so there's no way anyone would have any reason to cop him.Haneii wrote:
It kinda felt like he was baiting anyone to check him tonight (in an odd setsuen kinda way)..
Btw having 2 neighbours it'd be kinda inconvenient to fakeclaim miller since you're limiting who can make the NK and if you're actually a scum PR you'd have trouble using that aswell without getting tangled up in lies, so overall I agree, we should stop worrying about Setsuen at least for today imo.
@sLaiNi: I really don't think hiding your passive doublevoting ability is a good idea as town, and you shouldn't want to just surprise hammer someone anyway.
I don't really agree with his thought process and behavior concerning his doublevoting ability at all, but looking at that only I didn't feel it was coming from scum.
What I didn't like is the exchange starting here: p/4424063
Farto tells Setsuen "LIES" and sLaiNi's sarcastic tone in the followup post gave me the impression that he doesn't really buy the claim either, yet when farto said he doesn't actually think Setsuen is lying, sLaiNi went on to agree "but still worth keeping an eye on" kinda taking a step back at the same time. So if you detailed your thoughts a bit more here sLaiNi, that'd be welcome.
Ace Timing wrote:
ayy confirm lmao
I think you didn't really like playing as scum last game, and you have trouble actually contributing here, because you rolled scum again.Ace Timing wrote:
I half want to replace out so I can see Jess with Setsuen.
Vote: Ace Timing
I actually didn't the buy claim, but farto's statementDrezi wrote:
What I didn't like is the exchange starting here: p/4424063
Farto tells Setsuen "LIES" and sLaiNi's sarcastic tone in the followup post gave me the impression that he doesn't really buy the claim either, yet when farto said he doesn't actually think Setsuen is lying, sLaiNi went on to agree "but still worth keeping an eye on" kinda taking a step back at the same time. So if you detailed your thoughts a bit more here sLaiNi, that'd be welcome.
made sense to me. It would actually be the worst strategy I guess. So I told him, that I think he is right with the statement above, but I still think keeping an eye on him is good, as he could still be scum and he uses our process of thoughts (thinking that the claim is so stupid that he can only be town) to make all think that he actually is town. That's the WIFOM I was referring to later:fartownik wrote:
I don't see a reason why he would lie about that, especially right at the beginning of the game. Claiming Miller if you're scum at the beginning of the game is a terrible strategy.
p/4424881 (I made a wrong quoting there, the "No point...." thing was actually from ZexionsLaiNi wrote:
That's the kind of WIFOM he created.Zexion wrote:
No point on wasting a cop on him since he will turn out guilty.
I scum read replacement just bc scums are usually the most likely to replace. Just saying.Ace Timing wrote:
I half want to replace out so I can see Jess with Setsuen.
MagicBomb confirm no play enough game with scum Navizel.- Magic Bomb - wrote:
Tbh most of the games I've seen of rEdo he doesn't exactly post much, so this isn't a good reason to vote him, imo, at least not yet.
Yes bc saying "probably"and then ignoring my post from here on out is going to help you get a good read on me.pieguy1372 wrote:
setsuen is probably town
that said, I more likely than not won't read his posts from here on out
I am pretty sure half to all of the players here have better things to do than target me N1.Haneii wrote:
Why do you think so?
It kinda felt like he was baiting anyone to check him tonight (in an odd setsuen kinda way).
Again I didn't need to claim it. Why are people assuming that ANYONE would target me N1. Ask yourself this. Would you yourself target me N1? The answer is probably no.rEdo wrote:
IMO millers should claim right at the beginning of the game. What if that person got cop scanned, the result was revealed? Would they believe if that person went like "oh bois nevermind I'm le miller xD xD"?
tldr:Stop assuming people are insane enough to target me N1.
Well, that's your opinion, right? It already seems like a couple of people are open to the idea of checking him at night.Drezi wrote:
Haneii wrote:
It kinda felt like he was baiting anyone to check him tonight (in an odd setsuen kinda way)..
What do you mean here? With that claim he's either miller -> guilty result, or scum -> guilty result so there's no way anyone would have any reason to cop him.
Also, how many times does he have to bring up? Not once does he explicitly say it's useless (Even made sure to let us know he doesn't mind if someone does). He just goes on about about how no one will try to/PRs have better things to do etc (almost tauntingly)
If you seriously think anyone would investigate me N1 you are kidding yourself because I'm pretty sure a lot of people who played with me won't even bother.
You can try. It's not like I ever gotten a town PR role UNLESS I replaced in only to get N1ed or it was UPick.
Why do people keep thinking that town PR will target me N1 when they can get an easy read on me just by reading my post on D1?^ as if that's the reason why a PR shouldn't scan him
I am pretty sure half to all of the players here have better things to do than target me N1.
Why are people assuming that ANYONE would target me N1. Ask yourself this. Would you yourself target me N1? The answer is probably no.
tldr:Stop assuming people are insane enough to target me N1.
Inconvenient? If Setsuen NK's now, and one of his neighbours claims they heard something, he can just claim he was probably targeted last night. And the only way his neighbours can get a read is if they don't use any night actions themselves. Furthermore, with all the neighbours hearing noise due to scum and town night activity, it might not be as easy to determine the alignment or direction of the activities.Drezi wrote:
Btw having 2 neighbours it'd be kinda inconvenient to fakeclaim miller since you're limiting who can make the NK and if you're actually a scum PR you'd have trouble using that aswell without getting tangled up in lies, so overall I agree, we should stop worrying about Setsuen at least for today imo.
I probably could have worded that better, but I'm in a hurry. Hope it makes sense XD
Why specifically N1?Setsuen wrote:
I am pretty sure half to all of the players here have better things to do than target me N1.
Sorry if it's obvious reason, I haven't played with a Miller before. Do PRs avoid scanning/checking them on N1 over other days? If so, why?