Unvoting Haneii after Amianki also voted her to clumsily hide the fact that he's a Douiblevoter despite already revealing it. Also shitting WIFOM and setup spec all over the place.pieguy1372 wrote:
vote: sLaiNi
Zexion might also be scum. Drezi maybe town.
free town points to the first person who correctly guesses why I made this vote.
that's actually not the primary reason for itAmianki wrote:
Kinda?
I really don't like how much he's going on about setup stuff and ignoring everything else, including the double vote he apparently has. Simplest explanation still equates to town, though.
man RVS is already over let's get in the gaaameStatic Noise Bird wrote:
Vote: Magic Bomb
It's simple - his nickname is treebomb so basically I'm sure he is going to bomb this tree.
that's easily the best guess so far, but unfortunately, nopeAce Timing wrote:
@pieguy you wanted his spot.
Busy for that right now, but i'll have them up within an hour or 2 unless i forget, in which case i'll do it tomorrow morning.Frostings wrote:
Sakura can you make ISO's pretty please?
Atleast I learned something out of it and started the game ^^As soon as he mentioned that, I noticed that I firetrucked up and decided to not let another votecount go with this, this is why I did this:- Magic Bomb - wrote:
Sakura that vote count is a bit messed up
I knew this wasn't really hiding anything, but it was worth a try.sLaiNi wrote:
Unvote
He's sleeping, poor one.
TbH I don't see any relation between me and Zexion. Drezi pointed out the high possibility of there being doublevoters. That might be why you read him town.pieguy1372 wrote:
vote: sLaiNi
Zexion might also be scum. Drezi maybe town.
free town points to the first person who correctly guesses why I made this vote.
That is more understandable to me, as the "cautious already?" seemed like some kind of distancing (some newbie kind of it though). So I can understand that assumption for redo + me being a scumteam, rather than Zexion+me. Explain your thoughts there, please.Frostings wrote:
calling SlaiNi + rEdo scumpartners
Yeah, I tried indeed to cover all up, that's why I ignored stuff, to not bring it up again.Amianki wrote:
I really don't like how much he's going on about setup stuff and ignoring everything else, including the double vote he apparently has.
Why should I force it? Even if I was scum, it wouldn't help me in any way, as town and scum can be doublevoter (I guess so?).Frostings wrote:
really bad forced double vote slip
??sLaiNi wrote:
I noticed that I firetrucked up and decided to not let another votecount go with this, this is why I did this [the unvote]
I knew this wasn't really hiding anything, but it was worth a try.
??????sLaiNi wrote:
The posts afterwards, meaning all these assumptions, were made as I tried to cover up my fail. Didn't help, but again, it was worth a try.
Drezi wrote:
??sLaiNi wrote:
I noticed that I firetrucked up and decided to not let another votecount go with this, this is why I did this [the unvote]
I knew this wasn't really hiding anything, but it was worth a try.??????sLaiNi wrote:
The posts afterwards, meaning all these assumptions, were made as I tried to cover up my fail. Didn't help, but again, it was worth a try.
TbH, yes. Atleast until I am sure I want to lynch someone special.Drezi wrote:
Knowing that would you have preferred not to vote like whole day or what? -.-
Because it's even a worse Idea to affect the behavior of the people with the double vote in mind.Drezi wrote:
Why do you think that's a good idea?
Frostings wrote:
also I miss Setsuen
You mean other than the fact that they decided to claim their role which is what I did before as mafia and the fact that they claimed double voter which literally messes up who you can vote off near MyLo/Lylo?pieguy1372 wrote:
vote: sLaiNi
Zexion might also be scum. Drezi maybe town.
free town points to the first person who correctly guesses why I made this vote.
Frostings wrote:
calling SlaiNi + rEdo scumpartners
FoS -MB-
easy game easy life
In b4 reverse scum paint and the real scums actually scumpaint people who WIFOM instead of your hey number 7 is scum tactic.rEdo wrote:
Nice point, by the way. I like the fact you're cautious.
Now when I think about this, scum could be selecting kills so they can scumpaint people. Let's say scum is in [7], then the team could kill [6] and [8] and say "hey, [7] is completety unhearable nao, scum pls b0ss!!!!".
stop being jealous of my automatic scum hunting ability where scum clings onto me in an attempt to lynch me only to have it reverse bandwagoned.fartownik wrote:
god here we go
You have no idea how bad my role is.sLaiNi wrote:
Setsuen, you overstrain me. Too much "OMG my town role is so bad, it's not even worth nightkilling me, especially because I am town and my role is so bad. Did I meantion that my role is bad?" in your posts o.O
Why don't cry it out aloud "Don't nightscan me, I'm town eitherway no matter what the mod tells you I am".Setsuen wrote:
Miller.fartownik wrote:
what is your role
I support that.fartownik wrote:
I don't see a reason why he would lie about that, especially right at the beginning of the game. Claiming Miller if you're scum at the beginning of the game is a terrible strategy.
Fun fact, I wasn't talking about the double vote here, I was talking about a different way in which the vote count was broken (At the time, Sakura accidentally put me as both voting and not voting), though tbh I didn't even notice the double vote, my reading skills so badsLaiNi wrote:
As soon as he mentioned that, I noticed that I firetrucked up and decided to not let another votecount go with this, this is why I did this:- Magic Bomb - wrote:
Sakura that vote count is a bit messed upsLaiNi wrote:
Unvote
He's sleeping, poor one.
nice double OMGUS vote :^)sLaiNi wrote:
So Frostings, are you going to explain in what way I would benefit from forceclaiming Doublevoter? Your explanation seems rather like using the situation. For the time until you give a good explanation:
Vote: Frostings
Explain this one to me?sLaiNi wrote:
Scum for example could plan their votes to negate my doublevote.
FTR, pie is also playing secretive, like "hey guys guess corretly why I voted Slaini and you get townpoints!"Frostings wrote:
That's just playing secretive which I don't really like
It's good to claim miller early so that cop doesn't waste a night + it doesn't allow scum to fakeclaim laterZexion wrote:
A townie would have NO reason to claim miller unless he actually wins with scum.
Most likely a fluff reasonZexion wrote:
FTR, pie is also playing secretive, like "hey guys guess corretly why I voted Slaini and you get townpoints!"
But in a closed setup we have no idea if there's only one miller, hypotetically there could be like 5 millers so the "doesn't allow scum to fakeclaim" isn't true.Frostings wrote:
It's good to claim miller early so that cop doesn't waste a night + it doesn't allow scum to fakeclaim laterZexion wrote:
A townie would have NO reason to claim miller unless he actually wins with scum.
What do you mean by fluff? If it is what I'm thinking, then no, his post seemed serious enough.Frostings wrote:
Most likely a fluff reasonZexion wrote:
FTR, pie is also playing secretive, like "hey guys guess corretly why I voted Slaini and you get townpoints!"
This game is inspired by Fakegod's Nightingale. It has many double voters that are day specific. So in this case his double vote might only work for D1.- Magic Bomb - wrote:
Ace Timing wrote:
If it was 1-shot, it wouldn't have activated without him specifically saying that he wanted to use it.
Frostings wrote:
2. No where did I mention that you would benefit from claiming Doublevoter
You say I forced that slip. If I had no reason to force a slip (e.G. having a benefit from it) then why should I do it? That's why think you have a reason to call it a forced slip. It you say that I don't have any benefit from it, then there's no reason to call it forced.Frostings wrote:
Vote: SlaiNi
really bad forced double vote slip
As I said, I hoped people just wouldn't notice it, other than it being a "messed up votecount". When the second one would've come without my 2 votes on, I hoped nobody would notice it. If I would've kept my vote, the second vote count would also have said "2 votes on xxx", which definitely would make clear that it wasn't a mod mistake.Frostings wrote:
3. The reason for your unvote. You say you wanted to hide your vote from the next vote count, which would confirm your role. But if there was a "mistake" in the first VC then it would just be corrected. If it isn't corrected (and you knew it wouldn't be) then... well... you're confirmed anyways
If scum tries to lynch someone, they try to keep their votes spread around and try not to have every scum on the wagon. I hoped that there would be a situation where someone is very townish for me and the other person is very scummish and both are going to get lynched. The townish person is L-1(townish) and the other person L-2(scummish) and then I come and hammer the scummish person with my 2 - votes. Now as they know that I have Doublevote, they try to avoid such a situation and rather hammer someone.Frostings wrote:
Explain this one to me?sLaiNi wrote:
Scum for example could plan their votes to negate my doublevote.
That's the kind of WIFOM he created.sLaiNi wrote:
No point on wasting a cop on him since he will turn out guilty.
pieguy1372 wrote:
that's easily the best guess so far, but unfortunately, nopeAce Timing wrote:
@pieguy you wanted his spot.
> 1. Obviously I'm not voting you because of a "slip"sLaiNi wrote:
You say I forced that slip. If I had no reason to force a slip (e.G. having a benefit from it) then why should I do it? That's why think you have a reason to call it a forced slip. It you say that I don't have any benefit from it, then there's no reason to call it forced.
> if there was a "mistake" in the first VC then it would just be corrected. If it isn't corrected (and you knew it wouldn't be) then... well... you're confirmed anywayssLaiNi wrote:
As I said, I hoped people just wouldn't notice it, other than it being a "messed up votecount". When the second one would've come without my 2 votes on, I hoped nobody would notice it. If I would've kept my vote, the second vote count would also have said "2 votes on xxx", which definitely would make clear that it wasn't a mod mistake.
That's a cute plan. I don't really like others who try to take things into their own hands, especially involving hammers, though I can see where your thoughts are coming fromsLaiNi wrote:
If scum tries to lynch someone, they try to keep their votes spread around and try not to have every scum on the wagon. I hoped that there would be a situation where someone is very townish for me and the other person is very scummish and both are going to get lynched. The townish person is L-1(townish) and the other person L-2(scummish) and then I come and hammer the scummish person with my 2 - votes.
If you seriously think anyone would investigate me N1 you are kidding yourself because I'm pretty sure a lot of people who played with me won't even bother.sLaiNi wrote:
Why don't cry it out aloud "Don't nightscan me, I'm town eitherway no matter what the mod tells you I am".
So atleast I'm right when saying you were so serious about stating that your role is so bad, because you want to make sure noone investigates you?
Which is why I stated that my role is also ironic bc in the past games I stated that town can just lynch mafia until there's one left and then cop can just check me z.zfartownik wrote:
I don't see a reason why he would lie about that, especially right at the beginning of the game. Claiming Miller if you're scum at the beginning of the game is a terrible strategy.
You can try. It's not like I ever gotten a town PR role UNLESS I replaced in only to get N1ed or it was UPick.Amianki wrote:
Miller is an okay fakeclaim if you're ballsy. Anyone who can test it definitely should tonight.
Why do people keep thinking that town PR will target me N1 when they can get an easy read on me just by reading my post on D1?Frostings wrote:
Hmm how good is a miller fakeclaim? It might get cop off you but if there's a vig this game it's probably bad ..?
Zexion wrote:
Also that Miller claim D1. At least if there's a cop he/she knows who not to investigate. The question here is that if we should do a PL to eliminate the big WIFOM... probably a bit to soon to decide that.
No point on wasting a cop on him since he will turn out guilty. A townie would have NO reason to claim miller unless he actually wins with scum.
So yeah, setup spec isn't the reason why you're voting him otherwise it would be inconsistent with your other reads. It's probably because the sudden vote change which at least made no sense to me considering we were just starting. Anyways, why do we have to guess your intentions?
Any sane town who is also miller would have probably claimed miller after I did just to get the town going. That or mafia has a Godfather which I am pretty sure Sakura deem as UNBALANCED.Zexion wrote:
But in a closed setup we have no idea if there's only one miller, hypotetically there could be like 5 millers so the "doesn't allow scum to fakeclaim" isn't true.
[/quote]Frostings wrote:
If there's one miller, then that means there's a cop. Having 5 millers would make cop garbage
Oh right yeah, that makes sense, I just got confused by the wording I guess.Haneii wrote:
This game is inspired by Fakegod's Nightingale. It has many double voters that are day specific. So in this case his double vote might only work for D1.- Magic Bomb - wrote:
If it was 1-shot, it wouldn't have activated without him specifically saying that he wanted to use it.
yeah, but that's upick. I suppose Sakura could troll us with miller + no cop, but seems unlikely. The only real reason for miller in the first place is to weaken cop. But I mean, you could be a red herringSetsuen wrote:
Except I been in Upick where there was a godfather with no cop in the set-up.
Setup spec+opinons.Frostings wrote:
If there's one miller, then that means there's a cop. Having 5 millers would make cop garbage
I'm not giving much attention to pieguy's vote because of thispieguy1372 wrote:
that's easily the best guess so far, but unfortunately, nope
Quality content.Ace Timing wrote:
I half want to replace out so I can see Jess with Setsuen.
Yes.Zexion wrote:
@Haneii: Were those day specific double voters self-aware?
I'm leaving my vote on rEdo until they talk more. bc lets face it most of the time lurkers flip maf.Frostings wrote:
yeah, but that's upick. I suppose Sakura could troll us with miller + no cop, but seems unlikely. The only real reason for miller in the first place is to weaken cop. But I mean, you could be a red herringSetsuen wrote:
Except I been in Upick where there was a godfather with no cop in the set-up.
Also everyone should remove their RVS votes already and get this game underway or else I'm gonna FoS everyone that doesn't
Why do you think so?pieguy1372 wrote:
setsuen is probably town
...doesn't sit well with me either.Amianki wrote:
Miller is an okay fakeclaim if you're ballsy. Anyone who can test it definitely should tonight.
Uhm, it adds extra pressure. You definitely should use it to get on reading people.sLaiNi wrote:
Because it's even a worse Idea to affect the behavior of the people with the double vote in mind.
IMO millers should claim right at the beginning of the game. What if that person got cop scanned, the result was revealed? Would they believe if that person went like "oh bois nevermind I'm le miller xD xD"?Zexion wrote:
No point on wasting a cop on him since he will turn out guilty. A townie would have NO reason to claim miller unless he actually wins with scum.
I approve this idea.Amianki wrote:
Miller is an okay fakeclaim if you're ballsy. Anyone who can test it definitely should tonight.
Zexion wrote:
@rEdo: Yeah, it's getting pretty fucked up already and some of the reactions are just plain odd. Why would you want to produce CO2 on a fucking volcano planet?
[/quote]Ace Timing wrote:
I half want to replace out so I can see Jess with Setsuen.
What do you mean here? With that claim he's either miller -> guilty result, or scum -> guilty result so there's no way anyone would have any reason to cop him.Haneii wrote:
It kinda felt like he was baiting anyone to check him tonight (in an odd setsuen kinda way)..
Ace Timing wrote:
ayy confirm lmao
I think you didn't really like playing as scum last game, and you have trouble actually contributing here, because you rolled scum again.Ace Timing wrote:
I half want to replace out so I can see Jess with Setsuen.
I actually didn't the buy claim, but farto's statementDrezi wrote:
What I didn't like is the exchange starting here: p/4424063
Farto tells Setsuen "LIES" and sLaiNi's sarcastic tone in the followup post gave me the impression that he doesn't really buy the claim either, yet when farto said he doesn't actually think Setsuen is lying, sLaiNi went on to agree "but still worth keeping an eye on" kinda taking a step back at the same time. So if you detailed your thoughts a bit more here sLaiNi, that'd be welcome.
made sense to me. It would actually be the worst strategy I guess. So I told him, that I think he is right with the statement above, but I still think keeping an eye on him is good, as he could still be scum and he uses our process of thoughts (thinking that the claim is so stupid that he can only be town) to make all think that he actually is town. That's the WIFOM I was referring to later:fartownik wrote:
I don't see a reason why he would lie about that, especially right at the beginning of the game. Claiming Miller if you're scum at the beginning of the game is a terrible strategy.
p/4424881 (I made a wrong quoting there, the "No point...." thing was actually from ZexionsLaiNi wrote:
That's the kind of WIFOM he created.Zexion wrote:
No point on wasting a cop on him since he will turn out guilty.
I scum read replacement just bc scums are usually the most likely to replace. Just saying.Ace Timing wrote:
I half want to replace out so I can see Jess with Setsuen.
MagicBomb confirm no play enough game with scum Navizel.- Magic Bomb - wrote:
Tbh most of the games I've seen of rEdo he doesn't exactly post much, so this isn't a good reason to vote him, imo, at least not yet.
Yes bc saying "probably"and then ignoring my post from here on out is going to help you get a good read on me.pieguy1372 wrote:
setsuen is probably town
that said, I more likely than not won't read his posts from here on out
I am pretty sure half to all of the players here have better things to do than target me N1.Haneii wrote:
Why do you think so?
It kinda felt like he was baiting anyone to check him tonight (in an odd setsuen kinda way).
Again I didn't need to claim it. Why are people assuming that ANYONE would target me N1. Ask yourself this. Would you yourself target me N1? The answer is probably no.rEdo wrote:
IMO millers should claim right at the beginning of the game. What if that person got cop scanned, the result was revealed? Would they believe if that person went like "oh bois nevermind I'm le miller xD xD"?
Well, that's your opinion, right? It already seems like a couple of people are open to the idea of checking him at night.Drezi wrote:
Haneii wrote:
It kinda felt like he was baiting anyone to check him tonight (in an odd setsuen kinda way)..
What do you mean here? With that claim he's either miller -> guilty result, or scum -> guilty result so there's no way anyone would have any reason to cop him.
If you seriously think anyone would investigate me N1 you are kidding yourself because I'm pretty sure a lot of people who played with me won't even bother.
You can try. It's not like I ever gotten a town PR role UNLESS I replaced in only to get N1ed or it was UPick.
Why do people keep thinking that town PR will target me N1 when they can get an easy read on me just by reading my post on D1?^ as if that's the reason why a PR shouldn't scan him
I am pretty sure half to all of the players here have better things to do than target me N1.
Why are people assuming that ANYONE would target me N1. Ask yourself this. Would you yourself target me N1? The answer is probably no.
tldr:Stop assuming people are insane enough to target me N1.
Inconvenient? If Setsuen NK's now, and one of his neighbours claims they heard something, he can just claim he was probably targeted last night. And the only way his neighbours can get a read is if they don't use any night actions themselves. Furthermore, with all the neighbours hearing noise due to scum and town night activity, it might not be as easy to determine the alignment or direction of the activities.Drezi wrote:
Btw having 2 neighbours it'd be kinda inconvenient to fakeclaim miller since you're limiting who can make the NK and if you're actually a scum PR you'd have trouble using that aswell without getting tangled up in lies, so overall I agree, we should stop worrying about Setsuen at least for today imo.
Why specifically N1?Setsuen wrote:
I am pretty sure half to all of the players here have better things to do than target me N1.
You keep saying "Don't target me N1", and that is just super suspicious. It may seem stupid TO YOU, but I think if we have a role cop they should definitely scan you, as that's the only way to tell if your Miller claim is true or not, and if it's not, we don't need a cop to scan you because you've already said you'd come out guilty, and we could lynch you D2. Also, if the role cop ends up being scum, if there is one (I assume there's only one, there may be two but there's unlikely, and I'd assume you'd have the same thought pattern), that would make you a lot more likely in my eyes to be scum, as it'd be easier for you to take that risk.Setsuen wrote:
I am pretty sure half to all of the players here have better things to do than target me N1.Again I didn't need to claim it. Why are people assuming that ANYONE would target me N1. Ask yourself this. Would you yourself target me N1? The answer is probably no.rEdo wrote:
IMO millers should claim right at the beginning of the game. What if that person got cop scanned, the result was revealed? Would they believe if that person went like "oh bois nevermind I'm le miller xD xD"?
tldr:Stop assuming people are insane enough to target me N1.
I think you hear the direction of where the noise came from, so the direction isn't confusing (unless I misunderstood what you meant by that)Haneii wrote:
Furthermore, with all the neighbours hearing noise due to scum and town night activity, it might not be as easy to determine the alignment or direction of the activities.
Searching for a replacement for Static Noise BirdStatic Noise Bird wrote:
Replacing out.
You mean other than the fact that NO ONE has ever targetted me N1 on this site except for that stupid game where I replaced in only to get nightkilled? Pretty sure no investigative role ever tried checking me in the few games I played here. So I rest my case.Haneii wrote:
Why specifically N1?
Sorry if it's obvious reason, I haven't played with a Miller before. Do PRs avoid scanning/checking them on N1 over other days? If so, why?
I don't care if a role cop target me bc I'm town. That and my PM say that I show up guilty to all cops which hints that there are possibly more than one cop anyway.- Magic Bomb - wrote:
You keep saying "Don't target me N1", and that is just super suspicious. It may seem stupid TO YOU, but I think if we have a role cop they should definitely scan you, as that's the only way to tell if your Miller claim is true or not, and if it's not, we don't need a cop to scan you because you've already said you'd come out guilty, and we could lynch you D2. Also, if the role cop ends up being scum, if there is one (I assume there's only one, there may be two but there's unlikely, and I'd assume you'd have the same thought pattern), that would make you a lot more likely in my eyes to be scum, as it'd be easier for you to take that risk.
Just because they're open to checking me doesn't mean they will if they are cop. Esp for those who played with me before.Haneii wrote:
Well, that's your opinion, right? It already seems like a couple of people are open to the idea of checking him at night.
I agree with this one tbh. I'd rather discuss this on Day 2.Amianki wrote:
Why are we speculating on things that we don't know for sure even exist as part of the game?
Yeah. I don't get why he would vote Drezi and suddenly unvote him for no reason. His Drezi vote was from RVS but he didn't even get a reaction from him. What? He reeks of scum.fartownik wrote:
Unvoting Haneii after Amianki also voted her to clumsily hide the fact that he's a Douiblevoter despite already revealing it. Also shitting WIFOM and setup spec all over the place.
You mean other than the fact that they decided to claim their role which is what I did before as mafia and the fact that they claimed double voter which literally messes up who you can vote off near MyLo/Lylo?[/quote]pieguy1372 wrote:
vote: sLaiNi
Zexion might also be scum. Drezi maybe town.
free town points to the first person who correctly guesses why I made this vote.
I don't like this post.Amianki wrote:
Miller is an okay fakeclaim if you're ballsy. Anyone who can test it definitely should tonight.
We went over this like a thousand times... I tried to hide my role, even though it critically failed.Navizel wrote:
Yeah. I don't get why he would vote Drezi and suddenly unvote him for no reason. His Drezi vote was from RVS but he didn't even get a reaction from him. What? He reeks of scum.
No, I thought it was pretty easy to understand. Turned out there actually were things which could be missunderstood.Navizel wrote:
@sLaini, did you even ask the mod about how your double vote powers work? You seem to be quick about changing opinions too. Something to keep an eye on.
I'm not debating over whether or not its a good idea to "cop" him (however bomb made a good point about a role cop). It's the fact that he keeps mentioning over and over again how no will bother to target him (particularly N1 for some reason). Its pretty much a theme in all his posts (and no it's not because someone keeps bringing it up, because he makes a point of repeating himself).Drezi wrote:
guys I'm not sure what's there to even debate about this, obviously it's pointless to cop him to get a guilty result, and if there's a rolecop, that should verify his claim that's about it
Sorry about the confusing post. When I said direction I meant if you heard a sound above you, you can't tell if that person left to target someone or if they were targeted.- Magic Bomb - wrote:
I think you hear the direction of where the noise came from, so the direction isn't confusing (unless I misunderstood what you meant by that)
Seeing as how this is a 13-p game, I don't expect scum would make their votes spread.sLaiNi wrote:
If scum tries to lynch someone, they try to keep their votes spread around and try not to have every scum on the wagon. I hoped that there would be a situation where someone is very townish for me and the other person is very scummish and both are going to get lynched. The townish person is L-1(townish) and the other person L-2(scummish) and then I come and hammer the scummish person with my 2 - votes. Now as they know that I have Doublevote, they try to avoid such a situation and rather hammer someone.
I explained it somewhere, I might post a link to it later.Navizel wrote:
You tried to hide your role by voting?????
@mod, do we only get to detect adjacent neighbors if we didn't do anything?