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Loginer
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So I have this picture here. I KNOW IT SUCKS, BTW. I just want to know how hard it sucks.

Failures I'm aware of:
  1. Skirt is ugly and goes through body (That belt is causing all kinds of problems, can has remove plz?)
  2. Shading glitches (That belt is causing all kinds of problems, can has remove plz?)
  3. No nose
  4. Very ugly hair
  5. Unnecessarily high-poly (That belt is causing all kinds of problems, can has remove plz?)
  6. Large breasts, long arms and legs
  7. Ugly armpits
  8. Ugly belt (plzzzzzzz?)
  9. Some things are missing
Don't worry about the lack of detail, textures will solve that problem. What I want to know is what I have to improve, and if that top looks fine.
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Bullet form bitches

-Chin, or head in general, is too high up (isn't vertically long enough?).
-Face is way too flat. From this angle I can't see any cheekbones.
-Muscle tone on arms is basically absent (feels like tubes connected by blobs sort of).
-Fingers too fat and tubey
-Thumbs too thin
-Chest is too large (not just breast size, but overall has this broad-shouldered, muscular-ish build).
-Belt missing buckle (lol?).
-Hips/waist/ass lack definition
-Upper half of legs are thinner than lower half.

boot pix plz they look pretty awesome
Loginer
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awp wrote:

-Face is way too flat. From this angle I can't see any cheekbones.
I was trying to get it more anime-styled, which pretty much means flat face.
<_<
>_>

awp wrote:

-Belt missing buckle (lol?).

I wrote:

[*]Some things are missing
I'll fix the other things on the list.

awp wrote:

boot pix plz they look pretty awesome
Ask and you shall receive.



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Loginer wrote:

I was trying to get it more anime-styled, which pretty much means flat face.
That's...not exactly true =x They still have depth and all that, it's just often implied via shading for 2D cartoons.
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awp wrote:

Loginer wrote:

I was trying to get it more anime-styled, which pretty much means flat face.
That's...not exactly true =x They still have depth and all that, it's just often implied via shading for 2D cartoons.
Yes, but that's what it looks like, and since the dancers won't have cartoon shading... <.<
I could decrease the flatness a bit, though.
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That head's so tiny compared to the rest of the body! It makes her look buff and muscular instead of visually appealing.
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Loginer wrote:

Thanks for all the critique, but could ANYONE please answer my question? The top is currently a part of the body unlike in Sarumaru's drawing, is that fine?
unless she wears a very tight top, then it woud lack a bit of definition to the clothing (such as clothing folds/creases or the "Drapery effect" or whatever you call it)
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In that case, I'll redo the top and the skirt (No belt this time, although I could make it look a bit like one). It'll take a while, but it will look great if I don't phail. <.<
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The top is worn actually quite loosely - it's a size too large for her, so maybe you should keep that in mind when remodelling. Swoooooshy.
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Yup. Also, I recently looked at my old Ryuta model. I'm definitely remaking that one when I'm done with the mascot. <.<
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More like what have you failed to do !!!
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I'll be a good factory slave from now on. :(
Also, I'll probably have to skip that star-shaped hole in the top. :/
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It's not actually a hole anymore - it's just a textured star. It was a hole for the 17 year old slut model, but she's been converted into a 15 year old sweetheart.
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Oh, good. Also, slight progress.
Edit: Make that a lot of progress. :D
Edit2: Almost done with the fixing. Just have to add the nose. Too bad that's so hard. D:
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Are there no existing 3D anime girl models you can rip parts from use for reference?
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Tons, but I can't find any files. The problem is this: To add a nose, I'll have to add more edges to the face. However, this makes everything veeeery high-poly when I use Mesh Smooth. But if I remove all the unnecessary edges, the shading gets messed up, and the face will have lots of gray triangles on it. The only way to get around this is by making the nose a separate object, but this would make it look weird, as if it wasn't a part of the body.
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Why are you using mesh smooth?

I thought this was going to be cell-shaded?

We're going for "better than DS," here, so I don't think you need to do too much AA...

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...wut

LuigiHann wrote:

Why are you using mesh smooth?

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LuigiHann wrote:

I thought this was going to be cell-shaded?
If peppy could set that up, that would be great. :3

LuigiHann wrote:

We're going for "better than DS," here, so I don't think you need to do too much AA...
...You do know what AA is, right?
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Hey that low-poly model makes the flaws more apparent - that should be handy.
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awp wrote:

Hey that low-poly model makes the flaws more apparent - that should be handy.
It does, but the model's appearance changes drastically when Mesh Smooth is applied, so I thought it was a better idea to post the smoothed one.
Oh, and since I've posted a new picture, how's the length on the arms/legs?
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Arms appear to be a bit too long, but legs seem a good size. They're still way too thin (particularly above the knees). Also on the topic of limbs, the hands are huuuuge but I'm sure you'll get to that.
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Like I said, Mesh Smooth changes the model drastically. :/
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Our mascot will be making use of PhysX, right? ;) :D :) :P
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qwertyuiop wrote:

Our mascot will be making use of PhysX, right? ;) :D :) :P
Of course, and it will also be ported for the PS3 and 360. Oh, and if you have an Ouendan 2 ROM on your PC, it will unlock a bonus game, where YOU are the mascot (Webcam not included).
Also, I looked at the first video, and I'm not quite sure you know what PhysX does, nor how much CPU/GPU power it would drain.
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complain nao plz
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http://www.twinkfish.com/al/Tips04.jpg

courtesy of Alvin Hew <3

Al says (6:19 PM):
I realized I made her arms too long...

just a quick note

Now with more http://www.twinkfish.com/al/Tips05.jpg
Loginer
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That was really useful. While it's very hard to add detail to a Mesh Smoothed model, it helped me fix the horrible pelvis. And I tried to add some detail, but it's barely visible.
Anyway, here's the latest pic. I've finished and scaled the hair, added kneecaps/elbows (Not visible from this angle), and done some other, smaller tweaks. Oh, and the face is slightly rounder.

Rank please?
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Nice Boots.
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Hair is looking better already. Still a bit thin/spaghetti-like though, as if it were made with playdough. Nose is looking better, maybe give the bridge more definition (or at least some, it seems nonexistent) there's no difference between forehead and eyesockets (not sure if texturing will cover that) and the head is still too small. Other proportions still need to be tweaked as well.
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awp wrote:

Hair is looking better already. Still a bit thin/spaghetti-like though, as if it were made with playdough. Nose is looking better, maybe give the bridge more definition (or at least some, it seems nonexistent) there's no difference between forehead and eyesockets (not sure if texturing will cover that) and the head is still too small. Other proportions still need to be tweaked as well.
I'll work on the hair and eventually the bridge. Textures will cover the eye thing, and I'll need a list of things to tweak. ._.
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I think hands are still too big D:
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Echo49 wrote:

I think hands are still too big D:
^
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OK, I'll shrink the hands. Anything else?
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Here's the 531980th rendering so far. I've fixed the problems you've pointed out (I hope) and fixed/reduced some shading glitches, mainly the one under the nose. Anything else?

Edit: Oh, and I just fixed the missing insides on the boots, so that's another one off the list.
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Head is still a tad small, hair not meaty enough, calves reach their maximum diameter much too close to the kneecaps, arms lack muscle definition, *generic face complaints you're still aware of*.

wow my list is getting shorter though.
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It's certainly much better than it was before :D
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So I made it a little bigger. Anyway, render of the day:


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I don't see anything wrong with the head, although the breasts can go up 2 or 3 cup sizes.
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Rolled wrote:

I don't see anything wrong with the head, although the breasts can go up 2 or 3 cup sizes.
Not if peppy has anything to say about it
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Rolled wrote:

I don't see anything wrong with the head, although the breasts can go up 2 or 3 cup sizes.
I hope you die
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Xiaounlimited wrote:

Rolled wrote:

I don't see anything wrong with the head, although the breasts can go up 2 or 3 cup sizes.
I hope you die
Wow, that's harsh. <_<
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I think it looks great and very on-model at the moment. No complaints about the head size any more.
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please excuse me, but i got bored...

GO GO CRAP TRAP! SHAZAM!


Based on Sarumaru's artwork, probably 8 hours of work on her so far, and I think she's coming along nicely.

the head needs the most work. it'll probably be redone several times. Also the coloring is just to show approximate color placement, I won't actually texture her till I get her head done.

the proportions of things are slightly off, and the hands were oursourced from another model I`m working on. I didn't feel like making ANOTHER set of hands when I had a perfectly good set laying around in another model.

also missing small details like neckbow, light gray strap-thingy on the boots, belt buckle and belly button.

I didn't bother with a clay or cel rendering of the low-poly mesh. the clay would look crappy, and the cel...I just don't like using ink'n'paint. maybe i`ll get around to setting it up in mental ray. it looks soooo much prettier that way.

I`m gonna see if I can't draw some side/front close ups for the head later, maybe then she won't look like she was beaten with an ugly stick.
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NCDyson wrote:

please excuse me, but i got bored...
Don't worry about it, you've really made me realize something (To F*CKING HURRY UP or risk getting replaced). <___<"
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Loginer wrote:

Don't worry about it, you've really made me realize something (To F*CKING HURRY UP or risk getting replaced). <___<"
Shit, he caught on.
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i wouldn't worry about it. I`ve been 3d modeling on and off for like 6 years now, and the total number of models I`ve completed is like 0. well, 1 if you count the one that every time I just have to tweak the vertex weights so that they're PERFECT, i end up starting from scratch again...

please excuse me, I just remembered, I have an Agent J somewhere on my hard drive that just needs his pompadour tweaked and he'll be ready for a skeleton.


*runs off laughing maniacally*
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Well, I worry about it. I've finished everything but some smaller details on the top to shape it better.
Also, if you want to create Agent J or anyone else, that's great, but stay the hell away from the mascot. Mm? *balances pencil on table*
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I say keep the options open. If you want me to, I can pick apart and critique both models.

It is a learning experience either way and I just want the best looking end result possible :<
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I have to say though, Dyson's clay render is looking pretty sweet from the get-go.

Loginer wrote:

Xiaounlimited wrote:

Rolled wrote:

I don't see anything wrong with the head, although the breasts can go up 2 or 3 cup sizes.
I hope you die
Wow, that's harsh. <_<
Large breasts are UNACCEPTABLE
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Xiaounlimited wrote:

I have to say though, Dyson's clay render is looking pretty sweet from the get-go.

Loginer wrote:

Xiaounlimited wrote:

I hope you die
Wow, that's harsh. <_<
Large breasts are UNACCEPTABLE
I wasn't going to follow his advice, don't worry. >.>
Also, I've been slacking off. ._.

Oh well, I've done progress. The skirt will be done using a Cloth modifier, but my laptop is gay, so I can't render it properly until I get my new desktop (Any day now...). And I tried it with the top, but it just won't morph good enough, so that one is just be an edited copy of the torso, with polys removed underneath for a lower poly-count. All I have to do now is add more details, so expect a pic within at least 30 minutes.
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Loginer wrote:

And I tried it with the top, but it just won't morph good enough, so that one is just be an edited copy of the torso, with polys removed underneath for a lower poly-count.
What do you mean, "won't morph good enough"? Add a wire skeleton to shape it if you need to =x
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It's starting to look quite good. I like the gloves. Front most bangs and the curly bit on her face could do to be a bit thicker still bitchbitchbitch and face needs depth bitchbitchbitch. Skirt currently looks a little way too smooth to me though =x It closely matches the chibi design, but it might need to be adapted to a more realistic look in-game.
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Keep it up loginer - this is really starting to come along :).
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dang, you beat me to the neck thing. i haven't messed with my model of her since i posted the picture. my agent J model was alot crappier than I remember it being. I spent all day redoing him, and now I`ve only gotta do the hair and sunglasses before the modeling is complete.


you weren't kidding about coloring.
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Gettin' closer and closer

seriously though I'm not gonna shut up about the flatness of the face until it's fixed - how does it look from a side view?
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The arms look kind of tiny, at least from that perspective. Do they reach all the way down to the hips when lowered?
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any chance of seeing a wireframe render? I`m curious to see how you handled the areas for the joints and things.
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awp wrote:

Gettin' closer and closer

seriously though I'm not gonna shut up about the flatness of the face until it's fixed - how does it look from a side view?
Like this.

Behonkiss wrote:

The arms look kind of tiny, at least from that perspective. Do they reach all the way down to the hips when lowered?
Yes.

NCDyson wrote:

any chance of seeing a wireframe render? I`m curious to see how you handled the areas for the joints and things.
Sure.

Latest pictures. Fixed some shading problems, improved the coloring slightly (The top still needs improvements) and made the face rounder. Again. :<

Normal render
Cartoon render

The top has some really short sleeves at the moment. Should I remove them?
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not too shabby.
I look forward to seeing it's completion.

now I`ve gone from wanting to go to bed, to wanting to work on my Agent J. the new one's only really needing the hair, and well, a complete collar section revampment, and he's ready for the real work to begin. skinning (for bones) and UV mapping.

lions and tigers and bears, oh my. weighting and wiring and IK, oh my. planar and cylinder and sphere mapping, oh my.


'scuse me. I`ve been up for way too long.
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RemmyX25 wrote:

chan wrote:

Why don't you model peppy :P
I still elect my idea of Peppy's avatar popping out at the 30x/50x/100x combo marks
A Peppy Skin! Brilliant Idea! Now I just need more pictues...
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Update on the voice acting

You guys are gonna kill me.

Ok, so since the first batch of voice files i sent in, Tina and I have gotten into plenty of catfights, but we've made up too late, and she never had a chance squall meet up with me again.

Now I'm in college. 215 planets away. actually it's probably less than a planet away. maybe 1/65536 of a planet away

Sooooo yea. Either I find someone here with a perfect voice for Pippi, I wait until my breaks when I attempt to hang out with Tina again (mind you, she never found time to say FUCK YOU to me before I left for college), or someone else take up the project. leaving me feeling like a poop.

Just thought I'd let you all know, sorry for the high heels...

--Rem

EDIT: Thanks for having fun with my post.
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We could always use my girlfriend's voice for Pippi. I hope this won't curse our relationship.
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Hey, here's an idea: What about a synthetic voice?
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I posted that amateur voice acting board a while back, so we could always try that. I'd like to see if Chan's girlfriend is up for it first, though.
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I think a synthetic voice might sound kinda creepy. even as advanced as they've gotten, still, creepy.
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Epic announcement: The project is still alive.
During the last three days I slowly improved the skirt a bit, worked on the colors, made the model more low-poly (12000 triangles, 3000 tris less than last time), did some tweaks on the boots, removed the sleeves on the top, removed a lot of gliches and created some placeholder textures. I'm sorry I didn't post a picture so awp could bitch about the flat face with someone else popping in every now and then to add a pointless message that won't help me improve the model at all. Now, let's finish this up, rig it, animate it, and it'll instantly be ready for the game through the magic of the already existing dancer support which peppy added in 5 minutes. YAY!

OK, finished ranting. Picture in a second.
Edit: There's the picture. I'll work on the face today/tomorrow, and if no one else adds any criticism, I'll add textures. Oh, and one more thing about the small chin: The head is pointing upwards by about 30 degrees.

Edit2: I'm too tired to work on it today, but here's a bonus pic with a cloth modifier on the skirt (No mental ray render, though).
http://up.ppy.sh/files/pippiskirt.png

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The belt is an actual poly object and not just a texture, right?

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Yes, it's a small extrusion in the skirt.

Also, this message is to EVERYONE who thinks this is oh so over 9000 Crysis 2 hi-poly.
1. Let's download and install 3DMark 2003. This is (obviously) a 5 years old benchmark.
http://www.futuremark.com/download/3dmark03/
When it asks you for a key, just click on "Register Later" or whatever the button is called.

2. Run it. The first test renders about 30-40 planes at the same time, and each and every one of these are fully textured (the mascot is currently using simple diffuse colors). The mascot consists of 11904 triangles. A single plane in this scene, minus the top (I think the 3D dumper missed it. D:), consists of 6801 triangles. If you can get 60 frames per second with only two stinking aeroplanes on screen at the same time, you can, without a doubt, run osu! with dancers on.

Also, for a more comparable example, the girl with the sword in the third test consists of 14503 triangles.
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This is just my opinion, but anyone doesn't think about making Cel-Shaded model?
While Osu! is full of Cool Cartoon Looking...
and the character rather like Manga art to me...
Cel-Shaded will be cool...

i'm working on it...
just wait if you to see my sucks 3D :o

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Round enough? <_<
Also, I'm currently just perfecting the shading and coloring (I see the "skinhair", will be fixed). I'm more or less satisfied with how the model looks at the moment, and will move on to textures, rigging and optimizing if no one else complains about anything (I can and probably will improve the hair in the future, so don't mention that ATM), which means the model will be ready for osu! within 2 weeks unless something unexpected happens. But is osu! ready fo- *shot*
*fears the animation part ;_;*

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Now that I have your attention, should I apply a cloth modifier to the skirt to make it look more realistic (It'll still be static), or should I leave it alone?
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I think you may have done something wrong. It appears she had a little trouble dancing.

Loginer wrote:

Now that I have your attention, should I apply a cloth modifier to the skirt to make it look more realistic?
Yes if she isn't cell-shaded; maybe if cell-shaded.
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For the top pic, what's the white space to the top right of the nose? Empty space?
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YoshiKart wrote:

For the top pic, what's the white space to the top right of the nose? Empty space?
It's a white hole. It expands when you miss notes, and kills you dead if you fail the song. :D
Or a "bug" I already fixed. D:

Edit: A 10 cm long Pippi model without the skirt would apparently have a volume of circa 17 cubic cm. That means an IRL model would cost about $30 on Shapeways. Is this win?

Edit2: Last time I tried using Mesh Smooth on top of Unwrap UVW (Texture aligner), it screwed up the textures. Looks like I did something wrong, so forget about all that can't-fix-this-later crap. :D

Edit3: Very little progress done lately (16 October ATM), so to make up for it, here's a screenshot of Pippi's secret, not-so-unlockable steel form. >:3

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I've taken a bunch of placeholder textures and applied them to the model. Here's the result (Warning: Face will give you nightmares): http://up.ppy.sh/files/pippicreepy.png
Now, I'll need two things: Suggestions, and help.

Suggestions: I was thinking about making the little buttons on the shoes into actual buttons rather than a texture, since they look way too flat like this. The circle on the belt will also be a mesh. I'm also going to improve the zipper texture. Also, don't worry about the face being kind of fucked up, I'll fix that. Any suggestions beyond this?

Help: Good 2D artists. The face. Help me. Now. D:
Basically, I need an eye and a mouth. They have to be colored and in the format PNG. Transparent background would be preferable, but if that's not possible, a background with the RGB value #FCD8B4 (252 216 180) would work, too.

Download: Bernstein & Ruegger - Freakazoid! (Nicogeta) [Footix's Normal].osu
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I could probably do the face for you, give me a while and I'll most the results...

Heres a preview of the texture I made, this is obviously resized emensly, so I'll give you high res ones with ransparent backgrounds if you like em
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Loofah wrote:

I could probably do the face for you, give me a while and I'll most the results...

Heres a preview of the texture I made, this is obviously resized emensly, so I'll give you high res ones with ransparent backgrounds if you like em
They look a bit too "serious business", make them look more like in Sarumaru's picture/the chibi version. The eyelashes also seem a bit overdone.
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OK, I finished the new eyes for you, if you like these ones I can give a hi res transparent versions.

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Much better, but they're a bit too round. Try moving the upper part a bit to make them longer, anime-styled eyes are more rectangular.
Also, think you could add some eyebrows while you're at it?
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Loofah wrote:

OK, update on the eyes-


I'll send a hi res version when you want
Going by what Loginer said in his previous post, I think he is after eyes that look similar to the character in awp's avatar.

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adamskii_uk wrote:

Loofah wrote:

OK, update on the eyes-


I'll send a hi res version when you want
Going by what Loginer said in his previous post, I think he is after eyes that look similar to the character in awp's avatar.

Yeah, although they're getting there. :D
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soo..... you want lines on the inner side?
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Ok then, taht's the lines done.

any other little things that you want tweaked?

How about ideas on how to make the mouth?
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adamskii_uk wrote:

Loofah wrote:

soo..... you want lines on the inner side?
Just for the record, I'm NOT speaking on behalf of Loginer, this is just my own personal view on what he wants, going by the description he gave in his post, and by the fact that awp's avatar is pointing to the right eye (maybe a hint?).

IMO, I think Loginer wants the eyes to be more a rectangular shape overall, your eyes still look a bit too rounded compared to the eyes in awp's avatar. If you just copy the shape of the eyes in awp's avatar, but create the eyes in your own style, then I think he will like it. :)
Yeah, that's what I'm after. Attached a pic; The left shape is what the eye is like ATM. The shape's supposed to be a mix between both of them.

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