I like the girl awp but maybe it has to much pink.
I know that osu! also has a lot of pink but maybe a little of contrast would be good.

For the voice i look forward to hear something cool.

On the contrary, I think the pink adds the necessary touch to what is already present in the Osu! app.

Overall, I'd like to share my opinion: looking good so far!

...

Reminds me of peppy's old status as factory slave. =P

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Am I the only one who thinks that the cleavage is a bit much? It could easily be fixed by making the star one solid color.

A - it was originally designed for someone around the age of 17, where this sort of thing would be expected
B - in the chibi model, the inner star is pink because red is glaring
C - Pippi is known to be a bit of a tramp anyway~

She does fill that top quite a bit for a 15-year-old, what with the overlap and all. Pretty gifted mascot.

Saturos wrote:

She does fill that top quite a bit for a 15-year-old, what with the overlap and all. Pretty gifted mascot.

You'll thank us when she becomes legal~

(and maybe non-fictional)

oh wait I got it once DessaChan's done with her Mikuru cosplay she should totally cosplay as osu! mascot at the next anime convention that'd be rad <3

awp wrote:

oh wait I got it once DessaChan's done with her Mikuru cosplay she should totally cosplay as osu! mascot at the next anime convention that'd be rad <3

DUDE That would be pretty amazing, and some of us can go there as the Ouendan! It's great advertising!

Download: PippiVoice.zip

Here's the voice samples and a readme about them inside.

Please let me know what you think! Tina and I can always re-record if we have to.

The only issues I had were that they sound to "airy." How do i iron those little air sound particle things out?

The recording is actually fairly clean, I thought. Also, I think the voice is possible, but needs re-recording.

My stance on it is, the voice could be a tad higher-sounding. Tighten the vocal chords a bit more. And the actual reading of the lines lacks the right emotion, it sounds a bit rushed, and the emphasis falls on the wrong places.

Applause is just a straight-up "we-did-it" and doesn't really feel excited or energetic. I picture Pippi jumping when she says this. Either stretch the We out (Weeeee~ DID IT!) or hook the "did" more (We DID it!)

combobreak's not too bad, I think maybe hook the No a bit more. Sound a bit more desperate, maybe.

Ready, counts, go - it almost sounds like it's in the reverse order. There's a real drop in the "One" - it sounds like the end of the sentence, when there's still "Go!" to go. Ready sounds more like a statement to me than a question, and I can't really pick up any distinct emphasis. Try saying "Are you ready?" and bob your head down at the "rea" (of ready) and back up at "dy" to see if you can feel the movement of it. Also, it might help to record the entire "Are you ready? Three, two, one, go!" all at once - it really sounds like each sound file was its own take, and feels a bit broken/jumbled.

readyLOL.wav - too much breath on the "ck" but other than that, <3

readyLOL2.wav - "Oss", not "oh sue"...also, is that your mouse clicking that I hear, Remdawg?

There is my "I have no regard for how this makes you feel" critique of take One. There's no reason we can't continue to work at it, right?

Try making exaggerated body movements when you say the lines. If you feel that you're there, that you're actually this character, it might come more naturally.

Also harass peppy to see what he thinks. And maybe LH, too.

She says "Are you ready?" way too quick, and the applause doesn't sound enthusiastic enough. The whole thing sounds really casual and not very appropriately bubbly, so you might want to re-record. As for the air sound issues, take each sound into Audacity and do the following:

-Highlight a 'silent' part of the line
-Choose Noise Removal from the Effect Tab
-Click Get Noise Profile.
-Highlight the whole sound.
-Choose Noise Removal again.
-Click Remove Noise. Voila!

I say take all this advice and have Tina do another round of recordings, but since the window is open for others, here's a list of demos for amateur voice actresses that do stuff like this, Flash animations, and fandubs for free. I think that Rina-chan and Mippa have good voices for the character.
http://voiceacting.proboards62.com/inde ... hread=8414

awp wrote:

The recording is actually fairly clean, I thought. Also, I think the voice is possible, but needs re-recording.

My stance on it is, the voice could be a tad higher-sounding. Tighten the vocal chords a bit more. And the actual reading of the lines lacks the right emotion, it sounds a bit rushed, and the emphasis falls on the wrong places.

Applause is just a straight-up "we-did-it" and doesn't really feel excited or energetic. I picture Pippi jumping when she says this. Either stretch the We out (Weeeee~ DID IT!) or hook the "did" more (We DID it!)

That's what I thought, but she had to be somewhere very soon. I'll make note of that.

awp wrote:

Ready, counts, go - it almost sounds like it's in the reverse order. There's a real drop in the "One" - it sounds like the end of the sentence, when there's still "Go!" to go. Ready sounds more like a statement to me than a question, and I can't really pick up any distinct emphasis. Try saying "Are you ready?" and bob your head down at the "rea" (of ready) and back up at "dy" to see if you can feel the movement of it. Also, it might help to record the entire "Are you ready? Three, two, one, go!" all at once - it really sounds like each sound file was its own take, and feels a bit broken/jumbled.

You want them all in one file? Ok then, i'm assuming you'll break them later.

awp wrote:

readyLOL.wav - too much breath on the "ck" but other than that, <3
readyLOL2.wav - "Oss", not "oh sue"

ahaha they weren't meant to be taken seriously, but i'll pass the note along

awp wrote:

...also, is that your mouse clicking that I hear, Remdawg?

...No... >.>

...

Ok yes.

awp wrote:

There is my "I have no regard for how this makes you feel" critique of take One. There's no reason we can't continue to work at it, right?

Of course not!

awp wrote:

Try making exaggerated body movements when you say the lines. If you feel that you're there, that you're actually this character, it might come more naturally.

Noted.

awp wrote:

Also harass peppy to see what he thinks. And maybe LH, too.

When I'm confident in it, sure.

Behonkiss wrote:

She says "Are you ready?" way too quick, and the applause doesn't sound enthusiastic enough. The whole thing sounds really casual and not very appropriately bubbly, so you might want to re-record.

Again, i realize she was rushing too much. There's a small personal issue going on that let to rushed voice acting. We're settling this soon.

Behonkiss wrote:

I think that Rina-chan and Mippa have good voices for the character.
http://voiceacting.proboards62.com/inde ... hread=8414

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The voice could work, but the pronunciation needs some work. Tina also seems to have a problem with high tones, although I mainly base this on the LOLs. Warming up for a minute or two by doing weird sounds with varied pitches, and using exaggerated mouth movements when recording the lines should help. The "Are you ready?" is way to quick and the 1, 2 and 3 in the countdown should all have the same pitch. Also, personally, I think the ending thing is a bad idea. And air problems aside, the quality is fine.

More screwing around from last night, tweaked slightly today



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which is better, mouth open or closed?

Closed.

Open, but it's a pretty unimportant detail.

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Open.

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Try a different pose, standing doesn't seem to fit this situation.

Reikin wrote:

Try a different pose, standing doesn't seem to fit this situation.

It's pretty much scrapped at this point.

3ds is giving me hell. I've been stuck on the fucking skirt for DAYS. Not even asking for help on the Autodesk board seems to be of much help. <_>
But I'm close, I know it. I WILL make that damn nudist wear a skirt. >:[

You can't just model a belt and use some sort of cloth material type to just fold itself around her figure? Last I heard/saw/thought, 3DSMax6 could automate a bunch of stuff.

I've already modeled the belt, but the only way to make it look like the belt is holding the skirt in place is to put it IN the belt. That's where the Cloth modifier's lack of functions kills me. <.<
But I have an idea... o.o

FUCK YOU AUTODESK
The mascot file is corrupted. So is my backup. Same with the three auto-backups. POOF. GONE.

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Loginer wrote:

FUCK YOU AUTODESK
The mascot file is corrupted. So is my backup. Same with the three auto-backups. POOF. GONE.

D:

Oh well, enough with the wristslitting. I have a non-corrupted file of the non-clothed body, so I should be able to remake it within an hour.

>_<

Removable Media backups~

Wait a minute...
What does the hair look like from behind? Sarumaru's hairstyle looks like it's split in two, but wouldn't that make her bald in a small stripe at the back of her head?

Loginer wrote:

Wait a minute...
What does the hair look like from behind? Sarumaru's hairstyle looks like it's split in two, but wouldn't that make her bald in a small stripe at the back of her head?

You've never seen a girl who parts her hair?

Not with the hair divided into STRIPES, no. <.<
Anyway, I figured it out. Just have to add some more details, and it'll be ready for criticism. :/

So I have this picture here. I KNOW IT SUCKS, BTW. I just want to know how hard it sucks.

Failures I'm aware of:

1. Skirt is ugly and goes through body (That belt is causing all kinds of problems, can has remove plz?)
2. Shading glitches (That belt is causing all kinds of problems, can has remove plz?)
3. No nose
4. Very ugly hair
5. Unnecessarily high-poly (That belt is causing all kinds of problems, can has remove plz?)
6. Large breasts, long arms and legs
7. Ugly armpits
8. Ugly belt (plzzzzzzz?)
9. Some things are missing

Don't worry about the lack of detail, textures will solve that problem. What I want to know is what I have to improve, and if that top looks fine.

Bullet form bitches

-Chin, or head in general, is too high up (isn't vertically long enough?).
-Face is way too flat. From this angle I can't see any cheekbones.
-Muscle tone on arms is basically absent (feels like tubes connected by blobs sort of).
-Fingers too fat and tubey
-Thumbs too thin
-Chest is too large (not just breast size, but overall has this broad-shouldered, muscular-ish build).
-Belt missing buckle (lol?).
-Hips/waist/ass lack definition
-Upper half of legs are thinner than lower half.

boot pix plz they look pretty awesome

awp wrote:

-Face is way too flat. From this angle I can't see any cheekbones.

I was trying to get it more anime-styled, which pretty much means flat face.
<_<
>_>

awp wrote:

-Belt missing buckle (lol?).

I wrote:

[*]Some things are missing

I'll fix the other things on the list.

awp wrote:

boot pix plz they look pretty awesome

Ask and you shall receive.



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Loginer wrote:

I was trying to get it more anime-styled, which pretty much means flat face.

That's...not exactly true =x They still have depth and all that, it's just often implied via shading for 2D cartoons.

awp wrote:

Loginer wrote:

I was trying to get it more anime-styled, which pretty much means flat face.

That's...not exactly true =x They still have depth and all that, it's just often implied via shading for 2D cartoons.

Yes, but that's what it looks like, and since the dancers won't have cartoon shading... <.<
I could decrease the flatness a bit, though.

That head's so tiny compared to the rest of the body! It makes her look buff and muscular instead of visually appealing.

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Loginer wrote:

Thanks for all the critique, but could ANYONE please answer my question? The top is currently a part of the body unlike in Sarumaru's drawing, is that fine?

unless she wears a very tight top, then it woud lack a bit of definition to the clothing (such as clothing folds/creases or the "Drapery effect" or whatever you call it)

In that case, I'll redo the top and the skirt (No belt this time, although I could make it look a bit like one). It'll take a while, but it will look great if I don't phail. <.<

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The top is worn actually quite loosely - it's a size too large for her, so maybe you should keep that in mind when remodelling. Swoooooshy.

Yup. Also, I recently looked at my old Ryuta model. I'm definitely remaking that one when I'm done with the mascot. <.<

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More like what have you failed to do !!!

I'll be a good factory slave from now on.
Also, I'll probably have to skip that star-shaped hole in the top. :/

It's not actually a hole anymore - it's just a textured star. It was a hole for the 17 year old slut model, but she's been converted into a 15 year old sweetheart.

Oh, good. Also, slight progress.
Edit: Make that a lot of progress.
Edit2: Almost done with the fixing. Just have to add the nose. Too bad that's so hard. D:

Are there no existing 3D anime girl models you can rip parts from use for reference?

Tons, but I can't find any files. The problem is this: To add a nose, I'll have to add more edges to the face. However, this makes everything veeeery high-poly when I use Mesh Smooth. But if I remove all the unnecessary edges, the shading gets messed up, and the face will have lots of gray triangles on it. The only way to get around this is by making the nose a separate object, but this would make it look weird, as if it wasn't a part of the body.

Why are you using mesh smooth?

I thought this was going to be cell-shaded?

We're going for "better than DS," here, so I don't think you need to do too much AA...

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...wut

LuigiHann wrote:

Why are you using mesh smooth?

.

LuigiHann wrote:

I thought this was going to be cell-shaded?

If peppy could set that up, that would be great. :3

LuigiHann wrote:

We're going for "better than DS," here, so I don't think you need to do too much AA...

...You do know what AA is, right?

Hey that low-poly model makes the flaws more apparent - that should be handy.

awp wrote:

Hey that low-poly model makes the flaws more apparent - that should be handy.

It does, but the model's appearance changes drastically when Mesh Smooth is applied, so I thought it was a better idea to post the smoothed one.
Oh, and since I've posted a new picture, how's the length on the arms/legs?

Arms appear to be a bit too long, but legs seem a good size. They're still way too thin (particularly above the knees). Also on the topic of limbs, the hands are huuuuge but I'm sure you'll get to that.

Like I said, Mesh Smooth changes the model drastically. :/

Our mascot will be making use of PhysX, right?

qwertyuiop wrote:

Our mascot will be making use of PhysX, right?

Of course, and it will also be ported for the PS3 and 360. Oh, and if you have an Ouendan 2 ROM on your PC, it will unlock a bonus game, where YOU are the mascot (Webcam not included).
Also, I looked at the first video, and I'm not quite sure you know what PhysX does, nor how much CPU/GPU power it would drain.

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complain nao plz

http://www.twinkfish.com/al/Tips04.jpg

courtesy of Alvin Hew <3

Al says (6:19 PM):
I realized I made her arms too long...

just a quick note

Now with more http://www.twinkfish.com/al/Tips05.jpg

That was really useful. While it's very hard to add detail to a Mesh Smoothed model, it helped me fix the horrible pelvis. And I tried to add some detail, but it's barely visible.
Anyway, here's the latest pic. I've finished and scaled the hair, added kneecaps/elbows (Not visible from this angle), and done some other, smaller tweaks. Oh, and the face is slightly rounder.

Rank please?

Nice Boots.

Hair is looking better already. Still a bit thin/spaghetti-like though, as if it were made with playdough. Nose is looking better, maybe give the bridge more definition (or at least some, it seems nonexistent) there's no difference between forehead and eyesockets (not sure if texturing will cover that) and the head is still too small. Other proportions still need to be tweaked as well.

awp wrote:

Hair is looking better already. Still a bit thin/spaghetti-like though, as if it were made with playdough. Nose is looking better, maybe give the bridge more definition (or at least some, it seems nonexistent) there's no difference between forehead and eyesockets (not sure if texturing will cover that) and the head is still too small. Other proportions still need to be tweaked as well.

I'll work on the hair and eventually the bridge. Textures will cover the eye thing, and I'll need a list of things to tweak. ._.

I think hands are still too big D:

Echo49 wrote:

I think hands are still too big D:

^

OK, I'll shrink the hands. Anything else?

Here's the 531980th rendering so far. I've fixed the problems you've pointed out (I hope) and fixed/reduced some shading glitches, mainly the one under the nose. Anything else?

Edit: Oh, and I just fixed the missing insides on the boots, so that's another one off the list.

Head is still a tad small, hair not meaty enough, calves reach their maximum diameter much too close to the kneecaps, arms lack muscle definition, *generic face complaints you're still aware of*.

wow my list is getting shorter though.

It's certainly much better than it was before

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So I made it a little bigger. Anyway, render of the day:


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I don't see anything wrong with the head, although the breasts can go up 2 or 3 cup sizes.

Rolled wrote:

I don't see anything wrong with the head, although the breasts can go up 2 or 3 cup sizes.

Not if peppy has anything to say about it

Rolled wrote:

I don't see anything wrong with the head, although the breasts can go up 2 or 3 cup sizes.

I hope you die

Xiaounlimited wrote:

Rolled wrote:

I don't see anything wrong with the head, although the breasts can go up 2 or 3 cup sizes.

I hope you die

Wow, that's harsh. <_<

I think it looks great and very on-model at the moment. No complaints about the head size any more.

please excuse me, but i got bored...

GO GO CRAP TRAP! SHAZAM!


Based on Sarumaru's artwork, probably 8 hours of work on her so far, and I think she's coming along nicely.

the head needs the most work. it'll probably be redone several times. Also the coloring is just to show approximate color placement, I won't actually texture her till I get her head done.

the proportions of things are slightly off, and the hands were oursourced from another model I`m working on. I didn't feel like making ANOTHER set of hands when I had a perfectly good set laying around in another model.

also missing small details like neckbow, light gray strap-thingy on the boots, belt buckle and belly button.

I didn't bother with a clay or cel rendering of the low-poly mesh. the clay would look crappy, and the cel...I just don't like using ink'n'paint. maybe i`ll get around to setting it up in mental ray. it looks soooo much prettier that way.

I`m gonna see if I can't draw some side/front close ups for the head later, maybe then she won't look like she was beaten with an ugly stick.

NCDyson wrote:

please excuse me, but i got bored...

Don't worry about it, you've really made me realize something (To F*CKING HURRY UP or risk getting replaced). <___<"

Loginer wrote:

Don't worry about it, you've really made me realize something (To F*CKING HURRY UP or risk getting replaced). <___<"

Shit, he caught on.

i wouldn't worry about it. I`ve been 3d modeling on and off for like 6 years now, and the total number of models I`ve completed is like 0. well, 1 if you count the one that every time I just have to tweak the vertex weights so that they're PERFECT, i end up starting from scratch again...

please excuse me, I just remembered, I have an Agent J somewhere on my hard drive that just needs his pompadour tweaked and he'll be ready for a skeleton.


*runs off laughing maniacally*

Well, I worry about it. I've finished everything but some smaller details on the top to shape it better.
Also, if you want to create Agent J or anyone else, that's great, but stay the hell away from the mascot. Mm? *balances pencil on table*

I say keep the options open. If you want me to, I can pick apart and critique both models.

It is a learning experience either way and I just want the best looking end result possible :<

I have to say though, Dyson's clay render is looking pretty sweet from the get-go.

Loginer wrote:

Xiaounlimited wrote:

Rolled wrote:

I don't see anything wrong with the head, although the breasts can go up 2 or 3 cup sizes.

I hope you die

Wow, that's harsh. <_<

Large breasts are UNACCEPTABLE

Xiaounlimited wrote:

I have to say though, Dyson's clay render is looking pretty sweet from the get-go.

Loginer wrote:

Xiaounlimited wrote:

I hope you die

Wow, that's harsh. <_<

Large breasts are UNACCEPTABLE

I wasn't going to follow his advice, don't worry. >.>
Also, I've been slacking off. ._.

Oh well, I've done progress. The skirt will be done using a Cloth modifier, but my laptop is gay, so I can't render it properly until I get my new desktop (Any day now...). And I tried it with the top, but it just won't morph good enough, so that one is just be an edited copy of the torso, with polys removed underneath for a lower poly-count. All I have to do now is add more details, so expect a pic within at least 30 minutes.

Loginer wrote:

And I tried it with the top, but it just won't morph good enough, so that one is just be an edited copy of the torso, with polys removed underneath for a lower poly-count.

What do you mean, "won't morph good enough"? Add a wire skeleton to shape it if you need to =x

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It's starting to look quite good. I like the gloves. Front most bangs and the curly bit on her face could do to be a bit thicker still bitchbitchbitch and face needs depth bitchbitchbitch. Skirt currently looks a little way too smooth to me though =x It closely matches the chibi design, but it might need to be adapted to a more realistic look in-game.

Keep it up loginer - this is really starting to come along .

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dang, you beat me to the neck thing. i haven't messed with my model of her since i posted the picture. my agent J model was alot crappier than I remember it being. I spent all day redoing him, and now I`ve only gotta do the hair and sunglasses before the modeling is complete.


you weren't kidding about coloring.

Gettin' closer and closer

seriously though I'm not gonna shut up about the flatness of the face until it's fixed - how does it look from a side view?

The arms look kind of tiny, at least from that perspective. Do they reach all the way down to the hips when lowered?

any chance of seeing a wireframe render? I`m curious to see how you handled the areas for the joints and things.

awp wrote:

Gettin' closer and closer

seriously though I'm not gonna shut up about the flatness of the face until it's fixed - how does it look from a side view?

Like this.

Behonkiss wrote:

The arms look kind of tiny, at least from that perspective. Do they reach all the way down to the hips when lowered?

Yes.

NCDyson wrote:

any chance of seeing a wireframe render? I`m curious to see how you handled the areas for the joints and things.

Sure.

Latest pictures. Fixed some shading problems, improved the coloring slightly (The top still needs improvements) and made the face rounder. Again. :<

Normal render
Cartoon render

The top has some really short sleeves at the moment. Should I remove them?

not too shabby.
I look forward to seeing it's completion.

now I`ve gone from wanting to go to bed, to wanting to work on my Agent J. the new one's only really needing the hair, and well, a complete collar section revampment, and he's ready for the real work to begin. skinning (for bones) and UV mapping.

lions and tigers and bears, oh my. weighting and wiring and IK, oh my. planar and cylinder and sphere mapping, oh my.


'scuse me. I`ve been up for way too long.