Lach wrote:
CptSqBany wrote:
People still want to conquer, who is better in Global, Country, Mods, Friends ranking. So if somebody would map Full PUPA opening, that is 30 seconds long, then it would be thrown to trash?
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CptSqany, you did not say why would new group of short maps be needed, that's what Lach wanted to hear.
@Garven uhm, but that still is really subjective, I mean, whether people will like the map or not. That is referring back to the poll at the beginning - Less people will play and repeat it because they prefer different length, but those who voted for short maps shouldn't be punched in the face by making their favorite maps urankable. That will be equal for QATs - some might appreciate short maps and because it is just a minority, it does not mean that if you, as a subject, do not prefer it, it should be instantly urankable.
Also "You do realize that not all beatmaps are "perfect" from the get-go, right?" I exactly said that in my post. I said that the quality of map is what determines whether the job of certain people is worth it or not. To be more accurate, if we qualify good short map, people might or might not get back to it, that depends on song, how challenging it is and the skill group it is for. - Obviously if you make ultra easy map, it will be appropriate mainly for newbies, so they play it once or twice and then don't play it at all, but that is because it would be too easy for them - It anyway did its purpose, provide newbies really easy map, that it is not played by majority does not mean it is useless. But if you make a map that is 4 minutes long, with random jumps, overmapped streams and variable (insensible) rhythms, thus making it unplayable, it doesn't have to be played often either. What I want to say it is that I exactly DO realize that not all beatmaps are perfect, but that's the bigger issue than short maps being qualified. Some people might skip short song because it is short, same can happen with very long maps, but after all, mapping a short song unless it is a cut is not lazy or doesn't mean mapper put less effort to it than other mappers for longer maps. If he cannot get longer song (or destroy it by looping), he does have no choice, so that instantly means he did not put enough effort to it? My opinion is that effort is not related to song length. This could be compared to using symmetry in maps, isn't it lazy to copy most patterns and just flip them on the other side, thus shortening the work by half or more if you copy whole parts (chorus etc.)? Even if it was 4 minute map, shouldn't you be bothered checking it the same way as in case of short maps? (Mapping 30 seconds and copying it to the whole map is not that hard job honestly)