Players who try the map generally don't report issues with it. It's the actual QAT that do the checking.
I think you're missing the point. The maps CHANGE after getting disqualified, which makes any scores set incorrect.Lina Sintyadewi wrote:
If the maps got DQ, don't wipe that scores because some player don't like to retry/play same map.
Absolutely this. When somebody links you a map and you download it via osu!direct, there's seemingly no way of being able to tell whether it is qualified or not; perhaps a new icon for qualified maps would be sufficient. Either way, I voted for qualified maps not giving pp - as Xilver said, I'd agree that it is the best compromise. People seem unable to handle disqualifications for maps in which they or others have gained pp from (myself being guilty of that on a few occasions), despite the fact that that is far from the reason for the qualified section.Graf wrote:
There should be a clearer indication in-game if the map is qualified or ranked imo.
pretty much this.qwr wrote:
3rd option is clearly the best
Also an unavoidable warning that says "this map can be disqualified at any time" should be included
I completely agree.jesus1412 wrote:
I feel like dumb fucks will complain double about "not getting pp from X map" if the pp is removed.
Am I one of the rare breeds of players left that really doesn't give two shits about this? Just saying.peppy wrote:
I completely agree.jesus1412 wrote:
I feel like dumb fucks will complain double about "not getting pp from X map" if the pp is removed.
I was thinking the same thingmonstrata wrote:
At the same time, however, if you were to implement this, pp gain needs to be hidden from players somehow, otherwise even if a map does not immediately reward a player pp, they will still assume they have obtain those pp, and this would still create drama should a map get disqualified because players will be "expecting a top play". Basically at the end of the day, if a map is dq'ed, you are still going to get people saying "rip my 300 pp score etc etc" even if they never actually got it added onto their Top Plays (yet). I doubt this can be fully avoided, because players can always estimate about how much pp they would have received...
One reason this may happen is because some may see a person pointing out issues in a qualified map as a malicious act, either against the mapper or BNs involved.peppy wrote:
Players who try the map generally don't report issues with it. It's the actual QAT that do the checking.
But this is better than more drama from loss after a DQ, yes?peppy wrote:
I completely agree.jesus1412 wrote:
I feel like dumb fucks will complain double about "not getting pp from X map" if the pp is removed.
The third option is actually ambiguous - it doesn't specify [in qualification] if pp rewarding will be delayed or not considered at allLanturn wrote:
To be honest, most of the problems and bitching come from the maps getting DQ'd themselves, not the actual PP loss (though I won't deny there are problems on this end as well sometimes)
That third option is completely stupid though. "hiding" pp isn't going to solve any of the problems. monstrata pretty much sums everything up. People will always complain, even if they don't have a specific number to look at.
One thing I'm going to mention though, is that if scores/pp get disabled, then map ratings should be as well.
The big problem is if you actually have to play the map again and you can't beat your score (a Tie for example doesn't overwrite it) You're basically screwed forever without earning PP. I don't see how it's possible for the third option to be treated in that manner. It definitely means you'll earn your PP once it moves to ranked. If this was the case, I'd rather have all scores wiped upon ranking.qwr wrote:
The third option is actually ambiguous - it doesn't specify [in qualification] if pp rewarding will be delayed or not considered at all
Like monstrata mentioned, not all beatmaps change after disqualifications or every map that is included in the mapset does.peppy wrote:
I think you're missing the point. The maps CHANGE after getting disqualified, which makes any scores set incorrect.Lina Sintyadewi wrote:
If the maps got DQ, don't wipe that scores because some player don't like to retry/play same map.
As much of a popular opinion this is. With the current system, it will never happen. One small change to the map could completely mess up scores, replays or other things. How do you know the mapper didn't move one object slightly before it got requalified? It isn't worth it. It's better to wipe the scores to avoid any possible problems down the line when relating to scores/replays.MrPotato wrote:
Like monstrata mentioned, not all beatmaps change after disqualifications or every map that is included in the mapset does.
As much as the third option is the most ideal option for this poll, I would say there should be a 4th option of making every scoreboard of every map in a mapset to not get deleted as long as the actual map didn't change during the time the mapset got disqualified.
Some diqualifications are not all about the actual map but rather the meta data or just one map out of a full mapset, then, when a mapset gets disqualified due to one or few of the difficulties their scoreboard should not be deleted on maps that didn't change in the mapset during the time the mapset is disqualified.
if maps are changed during the disqualification period the specific maps that changed would be needed to be updated, with the current system if a map is not changed in a mapset at all you would not need to update it in order to play its ranked version.Lanturn wrote:
As much of a popular opinion this is. With the current system, it will never happen. One small change to the map could completely mess up scores, replays or other things. How do you know the mapper didn't move one object slightly before it got requalified? It isn't worth it. It's better to wipe the scores to avoid any possible problems down the line when relating to scores/replays.MrPotato wrote:
Like monstrata mentioned, not all beatmaps change after disqualifications or every map that is included in the mapset does.
As much as the third option is the most ideal option for this poll, I would say there should be a 4th option of making every scoreboard of every map in a mapset to not get deleted as long as the actual map didn't change during the time the mapset got disqualified.
Some diqualifications are not all about the actual map but rather the meta data or just one map out of a full mapset, then, when a mapset gets disqualified due to one or few of the difficulties their scoreboard should not be deleted on maps that didn't change in the mapset during the time the mapset is disqualified.
when osz2 comes.monstrata wrote:
Tbh, I don't see why metadata issues require a disqualification to fix. Can the staff not fix such issues internally? Because it literally takes the mapper like all of 30 seconds to make metadata changes and reupload the map... Can't little things like this be done without the need to DQ?
ThisGraf wrote:
There should be a clearer indication in-game if the map is qualified or ranked imo.
I don't think the majority of people see a decent score as something valuable on it's own; rather, the PP it awards. By delaying PP rewards, nobody gets any PP, so nobody has PP to lose if the map gets disqualified.DRRR wrote:
How will not rewarding pp right away stop any drama at all? If the map is dequalified, the scores set are still lost.