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Sakura
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Actually nevermind, that still doesn't change the fact that it's just one person.

You see in the past i used to get wagoned a lot, so i learned to scumhunt from the reasons and ways people scumread me, this still hasn't changed but if for example only 1 person scumreads me, then i may, or may not get an accurate read there, because i have no one else to compare it to. Also people scumreading me for the sake of scumreading me so i have better reads wouldn't work either because part of that way of scumhunting would be to be able to see what's fake and what isn't... so... nevermind.

Point taken.
Ace Timing
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The reason why I am (currently) convinced that SNB is scum is that when I made that earlier read, he immediately thought that me and Slaini were a scum team. There was no real reason he should think so, so therefore, he must of been a scum trying to get me or Slaini lynched. Still can figure out what Hika is, as he hasn't been on in awhile. I honestly forgot why Sakura is null-scum. I'll probably remember, but I came up with these after seeing the responses to the read I made earlier. I picked Slaini simply because he was suspected of a scumslip earler on, and I was already kind of inclined to believe he was town. Kek.
Drezi
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Drezi
^ I'd like to let SNB react to this first if possible.
Navizel
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Ace Timing wrote:

The reason why I am (currently) convinced that SNB is scum is that when I made that earlier read, he immediately thought that me and Slaini were a scum team. There was no real reason he should think so, so therefore, he must of been a scum trying to get me or Slaini lynched. Still can figure out what Hika is, as he hasn't been on in awhile. I honestly forgot why Sakura is null-scum. I'll probably remember, but I came up with these after seeing the responses to the read I made earlier. I picked Slaini simply because he was suspected of a scumslip earler on, and I was already kind of inclined to believe he was town. Kek.
No reason why am I null-scum?
Ace Timing
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Navizel wrote:

earlier. I picked Slaini simply because he was suspected of a scumslip earler on, and I was already kind of inclined to believe he was town. Kek.
No reason why am I null-scum?[/quote]
Same reason, I looked at your reactions to my read. You didn't really respond to it at all. You just repeated what was already mentioned and how it didn't mesh well with you. You had very little involvement, which I took as suspicious, but could not use as evidence to you being scum, so therefore I just left you as null-scum.
Ace Timing
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Ace Timing
Lel didn't check formatting
Sakura
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Ace Timing wrote:

I picked Slaini simply because he was suspected of a scumslip earler on, and I was already kind of inclined to believe he was town. Kek.
>Someone scumslips
>HE MUST BE TOWN!

12/10 Logic right there.

However, it's not faulty logic, from experience scumslips come more often from town than from scum, i don't get how a supposed newbie would pick up on something like that however.
Navizel
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Ace Timing wrote:

Navizel wrote:

earlier. I picked Slaini simply because he was suspected of a scumslip earler on, and I was already kind of inclined to believe he was town. Kek.
No reason why am I null-scum?
Same reason, I looked at your reactions to my read. You didn't really respond to it at all. You just repeated what was already mentioned and how it didn't mesh well with you. You had very little involvement, which I took as suspicious, but could not use as evidence to you being scum, so therefore I just left you as null-scum.[/quote]

Tunnel vision, eh? It seems to me that you are only looking to posts that involves you. Did you bother looking at other posts cause I'm pretty sure I'm not just parroting the whole game.
Navizel
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Navizel
Haha goddammit quotes
Birdy
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Birdy

Ace Timing wrote:

The reason why I am (currently) convinced that SNB is scum is that when I made that earlier read, he immediately thought that me and Slaini were a scum team. There was no real reason he should think so, so therefore, he must of been a scum trying to get me or Slaini lynched. Still can figure out what Hika is, as he hasn't been on in awhile. I honestly forgot why Sakura is null-scum. I'll probably remember, but I came up with these after seeing the responses to the read I made earlier. I picked Slaini simply because he was suspected of a scumslip earler on, and I was already kind of inclined to believe he was town. Kek.
Excuse me, exactly when did I EVER say that you and Slaini were a scumteam? SLAINI drew that conclusion from my "Zexion/Slaini might not be the scumteam any more" comment. I'm not even going to ask you why would that instantly translate to me being a scum even if it was true - as far as I know you two have been highly questionable through the entire game. See this is yet another reason for why you're probably a scum, or so very scummy, at least. Here you're seen putting Slaini's words into my mouth, and making an overly paranoiac analysis from them, your possible scumpartner's words (there, now I said it myself) - a true scum in their natural habitat. Do you have a scum daychat where you can plan this stuff or something? Kek.

Vote: Ace Timing

Reading more now.
Birdy
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Oh by the way I want a votecount @mod. I don't know whether Ace has 2 or possibly 4 votes. Let's avoid derphammering as well as possible.
Birdy
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Birdy
Actually fuck it at this point I just want to get Ace lynched. Kek.
Birdy
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Ace Timing wrote:

Zexion wrote:

If your playstyle is basically the same as Hika (i.e. "I am developing my scumhunt plan but for the moment I'll keep it to myself") that will just bring you trouble. Just sayin'.

Oh wait, in fact, it's the same. We can wait until Hika says a bit more.
In fact Hika is the reason why I'm keeping my thoughts to myself but whatever. He's been gone for a little while now. Wonder what happened with him anyway.
She/Her*

Why do you think that's a good playstyle and why do you null-town read her for that anyway?

sLaiNi wrote:

Ace Timing wrote:

God I'm retarded
Vote Static Noise Bird

I really don't get your way of thinking, which makes it much more interesting, though.
Makes it much more interesting, uh, sure. Does that help town? Do you want to help the town yourself?

-[Jess]- wrote:

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Could you please elaborate on why do you townread Zexion? Also where is Navi on your list?
i can't , it just my silly thought

and about Navi...

i will put him on null
If your readslist consists of gut feels, then you should read the game from the very beginning again.
Birdy
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Pentaposting for 333 get because apparently memerinos are acceptable in this game now (thanks Ace).
Amianki
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[3] Ace Timing -- Sakura, Zexion, Static Noise Bird
[1] Hika -- Drezi
[1] Navizel -- sLaiNi
[1] sLaiNi -- Navizel
[1] Static Noise Bird -- Ace Timing
[1] Zexion[/color] -- Hika
[0] -[Jess]- --
[0] Drezi --
[0] Sakura --



[0] No Lynch -
[b]Not Voting -- -[Jess]-
With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

Deadline is July 3 at 3:30PM CST (GMT-6).
Sakura
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I actually think SNB's reaction seems more like pissed off town from Ace's misrepresentation. Just much like the way Zexion keeps reacting to Slaini bringing up the scumtell thing.

@Jess: Are you planning on spending the whole DP not voting?
Amianki
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Rule 3.3 has been updated from 24 hours to 36 hours due to me copy pasting an old ruleset from before I made that change.
Sakura
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My reads have changed from last time.
Town: SNB, Drezi, Maaybe Zexion.
Scum: Ace, Maaaybe Slaini, Maaybe Hika.
Don't care: Navizel.
Where the fuck are they and why arent they voting: Jess.

I specifically dont like how Ace tried to buy townpoints when saying "HEY GUYS LOOK HOW IM BEING RECKLESS INSTEAD OF CAREFUL, SCUM DOESNT DO THIS!"
Can't even explain his scumread on me either.
Zexion
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Static Noise Bird wrote:

Pentaposting for 333 get because apparently memerinos are acceptable in this game now (thanks Ace).
Stop. Please no more memes. Keep your "keks & lels" to other sites. Let me eat my doritos and drink my Montain Dew in peace.

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Sakura wrote:

I actually think SNB's reaction seems more like pissed off town from Ace's misrepresentation. Just much like the way Zexion keeps reacting to Slaini bringing up the scumtell thing.
I talked about the "scumslip" yet again to make my stance clear to that thing. Slaini brought it up, for me there's not much more else to say.

AFAIK al reads should be based on something. Ace pulling them out of nowhere and not explaining them makes me really weary of him, Ace being the player with the least interactions in the game and just posting names without how he reached that conclusion reading... yeah, you get the picture. So I'm keeping my vote on him for the time being.

My reads so far:
Town-ish: Drezi, SNB (I would still like to see what Ace says about SNB's reply)
Null: Sakura (your theories have been too wild and that Navi claim you trust so much...), Slaini
Scum-ish: Hika, Ace, Navizel (Can't trust him until we make that claim clear).
I don't even: Jess (you should all understand why)

Right now I'm about to fall asleep over the PC. Will post a little more tomorrow.
Navizel
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Zexion wrote:

Scum-ish: Hika, Ace, Navizel (Can't trust him until we make that claim clear).
So are you willing to vote for me because you're scumreading me even though I claimed JK?
Ace Timing
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I love this game
Ace Timing
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Static Noise Bird wrote:

Excuse me, exactly when did I EVER say that you and Slaini were a scumteam?

you quoted everything I said, right before saying that the scum team might be different from before. If that isn't accusatory, I honestly don't know what is.
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If anyone here is making a paranoiac analysis, retaliation more like, it's you. I made a read towards you, and you just immediately accuse me of being scum. Sure I was afk for the beginning stages of the game, but that's not suspicious. And what on earth made Slaini the most suspicious person here except for me? Because he made a "scumslip" which can easily be dismissed as a language issue? You're just making accusations for the pure sake of directing attention away from yourself and towards me, which mind you is a very scummy move.
Ace Timing
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Fucking quotes
-[Jess]-
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Sakura wrote:

@Jess: Are you planning on spending the whole DP not voting?
No.

And I forgot vote on yesterday

According to my read,

vote: Ace Timing

Static Noise Bird wrote:

If your readslist consists of gut feels, then you should read the game from the very beginning again.
Ok,I will

Will answers Navi's question later,going to reset my thoughts and lunch
Ace Timing
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Less than 15 meaningful posts and I've got 4 votes. I almost feel proud.
Drezi
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Sakura wrote:

Ace Timing wrote:

I picked Slaini simply because he was suspected of a scumslip earler on, and I was already kind of inclined to believe he was town. Kek.
>Someone scumslips
>HE MUST BE TOWN!

12/10 Logic right there.

However, it's not faulty logic, from experience scumslips come more often from town than from scum, i don't get how a supposed newbie would pick up on something like that however.
Can you explain this Ace?
Ace Timing
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I may have worded it oddly, but his scumslip and me thinking that he is town are completely unrelated. I picked him because he was under scrutiny, and it was a bonus that I had my suspicions on him actually being scum. I didn't think he was town because he scum slipped. I'm not some secret experienced player who's been playing for years. I'm pretty young, I wasn't even allowed on the internet until a few years ago. There's no way for me to build up a ton of experience on something so obscure as scumslip tendencies in a game I thought was restricted to cards until 2 weeks ago.
Drezi
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Ace Timing wrote:

and me thinking that he is town

Ace Timing wrote:

and it was a bonus that I had my suspicions on him actually being scum.
?
Ace Timing
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Ace Timing
Don't really understand the confusion here...
Drezi
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Drezi
So which one is it? Did you think he was town or scum?..
Ace Timing
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Was leaning towards town, but then I was sure after he responded to my post.
Sakura
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I think you should explain your trajectory on that read a lil bit better, because i still don't see anything natural there.
It's like you jumped from scum to town because ( ? )
Ace Timing
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Also, what I'm about to type right now is aimed more at Zexion, this was not an "I'm developing a plan to find out all the scum so leave me alone" deal. This was to determine one scum. The post I made can't catch more than one. And I thought it out in about 30 seconds, so it's not still going. I'll answer any question anyone else wants me to if you can't figure it out from what I already posted.
Ace Timing
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Sakura wrote:

I think you should explain your trajectory on that read a lil bit better, because i still don't see anything natural there.
It's like you jumped from scum to town because ( ? )
He responded to my post with curiosity. He didn't suspect me, or try to find fault in my read. He just wanted to know why he was picked as Town while everyone else was null. Everyone else was either "Whatthefuckbro.png" or "He's suspicious".
Sakura
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Of course i can't figure it out.
Your post says that you initially scumread Slaini, then he scumslipped, then you townread him... but it wasnt because he scumslipped, then you made your reaction test or w/e and you townread him more.

There's something missing here, and i bet you can tell what is...
Sakura
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Ace Timing wrote:

Sakura wrote:

I think you should explain your trajectory on that read a lil bit better, because i still don't see anything natural there.
It's like you jumped from scum to town because ( ? )
He responded to my post with curiosity. He didn't suspect me, or try to find fault in my read. He just wanted to know why he was picked as Town while everyone else was null. Everyone else was either "Whatthefuckbro.png" or "He's suspicious".
Isn't that the same thing i did... except i labeled you as suspicious because the 2 people you had voted were nowhere to be seen on it, so i figured it was a fake reads list.
Sakura
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Bah screw it, im going to sleep, don't wanna sit here all night refreshing every minute to see if ace replied.
Ace Timing
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Ah I re-read my post and it does look confusing looking from a different point of view. I can't read it like you would, and because it's text you can't really grasp my meaning in some sentences. I'll clear it up, I thought Slaini was town and that never changed. I worded that sentenced in my post oddly, so it comes off as if I initially scum-read him. I didn't. everything before that read was pure either RVS, or not very well thought out, prime example being, my vote on Zexion. I thought he was dodging questions. So I voted. I never put actual thought into the game until my "read". Hope that clears up any misunderstanding.
Drezi
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I think Ace shouldn't be the lynch here, vote Hika instead.

Discuss.
Ace Timing
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Should the mod probe him?
Drezi
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Hika is a she. She has some RL issues I think, but I'm pretty intent on getting her lynched based on what she's already posted, everything else feels like the typical D1 town mislynch buildup.
-[Jess]-
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-[Jess]-
What is a probe?

I am bit confused about your post
-[Jess]-
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-[Jess]-
Btw,I am asking Ace
Birdy
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Probe is a prod. Read rule 3.2 for more information.

Going to start reading Hika again finally.

Unvote for now.
Ace Timing
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Oh, I fucked up and meant to put prod. Didn't notice till now.
Birdy
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I still can't see what's the fuzz about Hika.

Anyway, we have 6 or so days left till deadline, I don't think we should rush a lynch.
Sakura
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Still, not convinced.
Sakura
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Ace Timing wrote:

I may have worded it oddly, but his scumslip and me thinking that he is town are completely unrelated. I picked him because he was under scrutiny, and it was a bonus that I had my suspicions on him actually being scum. I didn't think he was town because he scum slipped. I'm not some secret experienced player who's been playing for years. I'm pretty young, I wasn't even allowed on the internet until a few years ago. There's no way for me to build up a ton of experience on something so obscure as scumslip tendencies in a game I thought was restricted to cards until 2 weeks ago.
How the fuck do you screw something like that up, like you even use words like supicions and scum, How the fuck do you make that of actually having a townread... that's just... too fricken impossible.

It looks to me more like it's scum caught in a lie.
Bonus because this happened during real time discussion.
Birdy
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He did say later that he both worded that post badly and did reckless things before those posts, possibly referring to his late RVS and such. Sure, it could be a blatant lie, but eh, I'll just not get overly suspicious over that right now.

Also good job guys. I was out in the meatworld for over 7 hours and all I see are two posts by Sakura. Keep it up, you're the real MVPs.

I'm probably just going to sleep in a moment and lose my shit if there's nothing new after I wake up.
Ace Timing
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Sakura wrote:

Ace Timing wrote:

I may have worded it oddly, but his scumslip and me thinking that he is town are completely unrelated. I picked him because he was under scrutiny, and it was a bonus that I had my suspicions on him actually being scum. I didn't think he was town because he scum slipped. I'm not some secret experienced player who's been playing for years. I'm pretty young, I wasn't even allowed on the internet until a few years ago. There's no way for me to build up a ton of experience on something so obscure as scumslip tendencies in a game I thought was restricted to cards until 2 weeks ago.
How the fuck do you screw something like that up, like you even use words like supicions and scum, How the fuck do you make that of actually having a townread... that's just... too fricken impossible.

It looks to me more like it's scum caught in a lie.
Bonus because this happened during real time discussion.
K. In this sentence, suspicious means doubtful. Despite what everyone else was saying I was doubtful of him being scum. That's how the sentence should be interpreted.
Sakura
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Yeah, no.

Wordplay wont get past me.
Drezi
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Sakura wrote:

from experience scumslips come more often from town than from scum
This is how every town mislynch goes down, someone messes up something or says something dubious and everyone goes "omg must be scum" and xy town something has been lynched.

Why would scum be more likely to say he had suspicions of Slaini actually being scum over doubts. I mean if he slipped he knew someone was town, then sure it could be a scumslip because he forgot town!he shouldn't know that but this?

So yeah this aspect doesn't really worry me.

What DOES makes me wary is how he said:

Ace Timing wrote:

Do scum always act irrational and unpredictably? No. Do you know why? Because of the nature of their win condition. Scum are the ones who play the game the most carefully, because they are the one's most in danger. So please guys don't just go "hurr durr read didn't make sense he's scum".
Because I don't really see scum intentions, and I think his whole explanation checks out and his plan is something a new town player would be more likely to come up with, even if I don't think it had been too effective with regards to the actual conclusions he tried to draw. But as Sakura said him emphasizing his idea of scum/town meta in his defense nullifies this read I'd have if it wasn't for that quote.

But well that still only means it's nullish to me, and I think we can get a better lynch than that.
Drezi
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nullish with wifom, so technically it's worse but still.
Sakura
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I could go over for Hika too tbh, it's just that at the rate this is going she's gonna be replaced since she never declared V/LA?

The thing with Ace is that he can't explain his Scum -> Town shift. So he's trying to play with words to make it look like he was townreading him the entire time.

My theory of scum motivation for that slip is that since he knows Slaini's town he decided to stay off and townread him for town cred so he can't explain his scum > town shift.

However he made that explanation after he was the one being wagoned and the wagon on Slaini had died, it's the only thing making me doubtful right now.
Drezi
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But I don't think there was a scumread from him on slaini apart from that "badly worded" sentence which only happeend now while he explained his stuff.
Sakura
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I just dont get why would he make that mistake, unless he'd been self-conscious of something. And i still don't get why he got a townread on Slaini out of all that happened, I mean, most of the way he plays as if it was someone with experience OR knowledge of alignments.

Am i just being paranoid?
Ace Timing
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Maybe. I've never played this game online, but I have in real life. And when I played, it was with ~25 people, so I'm not really used to 9 players. My read on Slaini was less of a townread and more I didn't understand why he was labeled scum. I don't think the way I play is experienced, but, then again this is my first mafia game online. I wouldn't know ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Navizel
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So Ace is just being a huge piece of WIFOM. Okay..
Ace Timing
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Navizel wrote:

So Ace is just being a huge piece of WIFOM. Okay..
I like that movie, so everything Daijoubu
Sakura
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Most of the things you mention are things i have picked up on experience, normally i get paranoid of newbies that mention such things because there's no way someone would know such things without experience or alignment knowledge.

But if the way people suspected Slaini made you townread him, why didn't you mention anything about Navi who was also heavily suspected as well?
Ace Timing
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Oh, I didn't have any doubts about Navi, and I didn't really bother to read his ISO.
Sakura
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Ace Timing wrote:

Oh, I didn't have any doubts about Navi, and I didn't really bother to read his ISO.
I can tell you didnt read his ISO, otherwise you'd have read this:

Navizel wrote:

Heck, I could even claim right now that I am a jailkeeper.
But that's not what I was asking, try again.
Ace Timing
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I guess the easiest answer to why I didn't mention anything about Navi is that I really didn't care. I only needed one person to put on the list, so I picked one and ignored the rest. That's why everyone else is null. They didn't really matter.
Sakura
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I am not talking about your initial readslist, im talking about your 2nd one.

You said you randomly picked Slaini and put him as town due to how he was attacked, and after the reactions you strengthened that read.
But Navizel was also attacked heavily, yet you put Navi as null scum (Claims aside, this read doesnt make any sense).

Also if you arent transparent with your thoughts how would you have expected me to pick up on stuff like you didn't ISO anyone else, or the fact that you haven't read anything until then.
Sakura
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Like srsly, im still at a big question mark on where your thought process is... and that isn't good.
Ace Timing
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You still seem to think that I thought that Slaini was town BECAUSE of the fact that he was being suspected. I didn't think that those were justified, so I used him. On the other hand, I didn't read Navi's posts, so I don;t know why he was suspected and quite frankly I didn't need to. I did explain why I put him as null-scum
Same reason, I looked at your reactions to my read. You didn't really respond to it at all. You just repeated what was already mentioned and how it didn't mesh well with you. You had very little involvement, which I took as suspicious, but could not use as evidence to you being scum, so therefore I just left you as null-scum.
The only one I didn't explain is yours.
Sakura
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Ace Timing wrote:

You still seem to think that I thought that Slaini was town BECAUSE of the fact that he was being suspected. I didn't think that those were justified, so I used him.
Oh >_>
Ok now i feel like a derp
Actually the more i talk with you the less convinced you're scum, but i had to make sure.
Unvote
Normally i'd sheep Drezi onto Hika here, but if she's getting replaced soon i want to hear from the replacement first, besides, we're not in a rush.
Amianki
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[2] Ace Timing -- Zexion, -[Jess]-
[1] Hika -- Drezi
[1] Navizel -- sLaiNi
[1] sLaiNi -- Navizel
[1] Static Noise Bird -- Ace Timing
[1] Zexion -- Hika
[0] -[Jess]- --
[0] Drezi --
[0] Sakura --



[0] No Lynch -
Not Voting -- Sakura, Static Noise Bird
With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

Deadline is July 3 at 3:30PM CST (GMT-6).

Hika has been prodded.
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Sakura
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Huh, i thought hika was already prodded...
Zexion
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Navizel wrote:

Zexion wrote:

Scum-ish: Hika, Ace, Navizel (Can't trust him until we make that claim clear).
So are you willing to vote for me because you're scumreading me even though I claimed JK?
So now you are actually claiming? Because some posts ago you told us to interpret as we wished. You can't expect me to townread you after your attitude and shady claim. I'm not gonna trust you after that, then again, I have no intention to lynch you, at least not today.

Drezi wrote:

I think Ace shouldn't be the lynch here, vote Hika instead.

Discuss.
I agree. Her ideas were vague at best and she never showed any signs of actually telling us her master plan, which makes me believe she was only pretending to be scumhunting or maybe lazy to actually do it. To be honest, I'm confortable with either Ace or Hika eating rope today, but we still have time until Hika comes back or gets replaced. I really don't get any townvibes from Ace, but Hika's style was way more supicious so I'm switching votes for now...


Unvote

Vote: Hika

Static Noise Bird wrote:

I still can't see what's the fuzz about Hika.
Did you read Hika's ISO? You can't tell me there's nothing wrong there.
Birdy
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Zexion wrote:

Static Noise Bird wrote:

I still can't see what's the fuzz about Hika.
Did you read Hika's ISO? You can't tell me there's nothing wrong there.
I did. Am I supposed to take a hint from the "yeah I was just reaction testing" posts?
sLaiNi
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sLaiNi

Sakura wrote:

Ace Timing wrote:

Oh, I didn't have any doubts about Navi, and I didn't really bother to read his ISO.
I can tell you didnt read his ISO, otherwise you'd have read this:

Navizel wrote:

Heck, I could even claim right now that I am a jailkeeper.
But that's not what I was asking, try again.

Why are you so sure about his claim bring real?
sLaiNi
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sLaiNi
*being
-[Jess]-
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-[Jess]-
@mod you forgot my vote
-[Jess]-
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-[Jess]-
Why I so late to online

I promise I will answer on tonight ;v;

Just wait for me to eat dinner
Sakura
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Sakura

sLaiNi wrote:

Why are you so sure about his claim bring real?
What's the poiint of caring right now whether is real or not?
Why are you rolefishing?

Also this game's starting to get boring.
sLaiNi
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sLaiNi
I don't care if it's real or not, but you seem to, otherwise I wouldn't understand you, saying that Navizel's claim is a reason for not scumreading him:

Sakura wrote:

I can tell you didnt read his ISO, otherwise you'd have read this:

Navizel wrote:

Heck, I could even claim right now that I am a jailkeeper.

Why are you so sure about his claim bring real?[/quote]
sLaiNi
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sLaiNi
Close, nearly edited the post above: "
Why are you so sure about his claim bring real?[/quote]" was an edit fail of me.
Sakura
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I could care less what alignment Navizel is right now, i mentioned this several times but you seem intent in misreping me.

Vote: Slaini
There's no way this person's town.
sLaiNi
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sLaiNi

Sakura wrote:

I could care less what alignment Navizel is right now, i mentioned this several times but you seem intent in misreping me.

Vote: Slaini
There's no way this person's town.

You seem pretty unnerved just because I asked you a simple question. Still you avoid it.
Drezi
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Why are you voting Navizel?
Sakura
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Proof you're full of crap

Sakura wrote:

My reads have changed from last time.
Town: SNB, Drezi, Maaybe Zexion.
Scum: Ace, Maaaybe Slaini, Maaybe Hika.
Don't care: Navizel.
Where the fuck are they and why arent they voting: Jess.

I specifically dont like how Ace tried to buy townpoints when saying "HEY GUYS LOOK HOW IM BEING RECKLESS INSTEAD OF CAREFUL, SCUM DOESNT DO THIS!"
Can't even explain his scumread on me either.

Sakura wrote:

My reads have changed from last time.
Town: SNB, Drezi, Maaybe Zexion.
Scum: Ace, Maaaybe Slaini, Maaybe Hika.
Don't care: Navizel.
Where the fuck are they and why arent they voting: Jess.

I specifically dont like how Ace tried to buy townpoints when saying "HEY GUYS LOOK HOW IM BEING RECKLESS INSTEAD OF CAREFUL, SCUM DOESNT DO THIS!"
Can't even explain his scumread on me either.

Sakura wrote:

My reads have changed from last time.
Town: SNB, Drezi, Maaybe Zexion.
Scum: Ace, Maaaybe Slaini, Maaybe Hika.
Don't care: Navizel.
Where the fuck are they and why arent they voting: Jess.

I specifically dont like how Ace tried to buy townpoints when saying "HEY GUYS LOOK HOW IM BEING RECKLESS INSTEAD OF CAREFUL, SCUM DOESNT DO THIS!"
Can't even explain his scumread on me either.

Sakura wrote:

My reads have changed from last time.
Town: SNB, Drezi, Maaybe Zexion.
Scum: Ace, Maaaybe Slaini, Maaybe Hika.
Don't care: Navizel.
Where the fuck are they and why arent they voting: Jess.

I specifically dont like how Ace tried to buy townpoints when saying "HEY GUYS LOOK HOW IM BEING RECKLESS INSTEAD OF CAREFUL, SCUM DOESNT DO THIS!"
Can't even explain his scumread on me either.

Sakura wrote:

My reads have changed from last time.
Town: SNB, Drezi, Maaybe Zexion.
Scum: Ace, Maaaybe Slaini, Maaybe Hika.
Don't care: Navizel.
Where the fuck are they and why arent they voting: Jess.

I specifically dont like how Ace tried to buy townpoints when saying "HEY GUYS LOOK HOW IM BEING RECKLESS INSTEAD OF CAREFUL, SCUM DOESNT DO THIS!"
Can't even explain his scumread on me either.
Or are you gonna tell me that you're blind too?
sLaiNi
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sLaiNi

Drezi wrote:

Why are you voting Navizel?
My vote is still from the time he didn't want to answer any question.

He didn't do anything that made me think else of him.
Drezi
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what

he claimed JK, he's conftown until/unless counterclaimed, which should not happen today, so your vote is useless now.
sLaiNi
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sLaiNi
I guess we have a big misscommunication there.

So just forget it. It won't bring us any further.
Drezi
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Ok, so let me phrase the question differently: why are you not making use of your vote now?
Sakura
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sLaiNi wrote:

I guess we have a big misscommunication there.

So just forget it. It won't bring us any further.
"Ops im going to look bad if i continue so im just going to stop"

Fricken fucking hell.

I'm just gonna vote park here until the rest of the town decides to see that newb scum is a thing.
sLaiNi
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sLaiNi

Drezi wrote:

what

he claimed JK, he's conftown until/unless counterclaimed, which should not happen today, so your vote is useless now.

The point is, why are we sure now, that he is JK just because he said so? Could anyone explain it finally?

People said if I had a question I should ask. I do ask and get voted for doing so because it's suspicious. Firetruck logic.
Sakura
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I explained it already, a few posts after navi claimed.
Sakura
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Right here v

Sakura wrote:

Im here, im just gonna start re-reading however, overnight i realized that...
About Navi i dont even need to care, whether i townread or scumread him right now is irrelevant as well as whehter i believe the claim or not, because if it's true scum will kill him anyway (JK's pretty dangerous to leave around just by mere statistical chance of NK being blocked), so I'm just gonna take that information in mind when i re-read.

Sakura wrote:

In adition if Navi's lying we will know tomorrow.
Assuming Navi lives over the night, if he's lying any power role that can counterclaim Navi should wait until tomorrow to do so because:
1) If Navi's a VT lying he's trying to draw the night kill, counterclaiming him right now would screw that up, in adition we would get a mislynch due to a CC, and give information to scum.
2) If Navi's Scum lying then he can be lynched tomorrow if there are any CCs.

Roles that can CC Navi: Cop, Doc, Tracker, JK.

Take that in mind and avoid CCing today.

Please, Please, PLEASE dont CC today just in case (Also all you'd do is attract a night kill and do nothing with your role).

Ok NOW im gonna re-read
sLaiNi
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sLaiNi

Sakura wrote:

In adition if Navi's lying we will know tomorrow.
Assuming Navi lives over the night, if he's lying any power role that can counterclaim Navi should wait until tomorrow to do so because:
1) If Navi's a VT lying he's trying to draw the night kill, counterclaiming him right now would screw that up, in adition we would get a mislynch due to a CC, and give information to scum.
2) If Navi's Scum lying then he can be lynched tomorrow if there are any CCs.

Roles that can CC Navi: Cop, Doc, Tracker, JK.

Take that in mind and avoid CCing today.

Please, Please, PLEASE dont CC today just in case (Also all you'd do is attract a night kill and do nothing with your role).

Ok NOW im gonna re-read
Like that?
sLaiNi
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sLaiNi
Ups, were searching for it and posted it, not seeing that you've also posted the same.

Okay, I'll give you that. Thanks for the advice.
Sakura
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Sigh... maybe i should stop joining newbie games. While i like to teach, it's hard to when people dont fricken read my posts where im teaching them.
sLaiNi
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sLaiNi
Might it be that you are pretty tired in IRL? Your posts seem pretty emotional ATM.

Sorry for the missunderstanding though. I appreciate all of your posts (as they are the most informative at the moment), but you have to see, that it's a ton of information. Not only that single post we were discussing over. So overseeing or forgetting one thing is not worlds end i guess. Just so you know your "work" is appreciated.
Drezi
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ok so with Navi being clear for today who are you gonna vote and why slaini?
sLaiNi
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sLaiNi
Let me take a quick look at -[Jess]-'s and Hika's ISO. I stated some reasons for Hika a few pages ago (I will post my decision in some minutes) and Jess didn't contribute a lot until now.
Navizel
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@Slaini, why are you so willing to vote me? IMO your read on me doesn't really matter in D1 since I already claimed JK. You're voting someone with a potential to be actually JK. If you're town, imo he best possible decision would be just vote someone else. Losing a power role is detrimental to town. Jailkeeper could protect any townie from mafia kills. Though mafia might have a roleblocker and then blocks me N1. Even so, it's a pretty bad decisipn. You can just kill me anyway in D2 if you insist.
Navizel
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wait am I late

I'm currently on my phone
Navizel
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Zexion wrote:

So now you are actually claiming? Because some posts ago you told us to interpret as we wished. You can't expect me to townread you after your attitude and shady claim. I'm not gonna trust you after that, then again, I have no intention to lynch you, at least not today.
Also Zexion, it's meant to lure people. If people decided to lynch me even though I claimed I'm going to scumread whoever got lured.
Drezi
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Drezi
wow that post pings me so hard, for a moment I considered voting Navi again despite the claim.

Navi make sure you jail me at night :)
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