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Sakura
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Ace Timing wrote:

I may have worded it oddly, but his scumslip and me thinking that he is town are completely unrelated. I picked him because he was under scrutiny, and it was a bonus that I had my suspicions on him actually being scum. I didn't think he was town because he scum slipped. I'm not some secret experienced player who's been playing for years. I'm pretty young, I wasn't even allowed on the internet until a few years ago. There's no way for me to build up a ton of experience on something so obscure as scumslip tendencies in a game I thought was restricted to cards until 2 weeks ago.
How the fuck do you screw something like that up, like you even use words like supicions and scum, How the fuck do you make that of actually having a townread... that's just... too fricken impossible.

It looks to me more like it's scum caught in a lie.
Bonus because this happened during real time discussion.
Birdy
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He did say later that he both worded that post badly and did reckless things before those posts, possibly referring to his late RVS and such. Sure, it could be a blatant lie, but eh, I'll just not get overly suspicious over that right now.

Also good job guys. I was out in the meatworld for over 7 hours and all I see are two posts by Sakura. Keep it up, you're the real MVPs.

I'm probably just going to sleep in a moment and lose my shit if there's nothing new after I wake up.
Ace Timing
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Sakura wrote:

Ace Timing wrote:

I may have worded it oddly, but his scumslip and me thinking that he is town are completely unrelated. I picked him because he was under scrutiny, and it was a bonus that I had my suspicions on him actually being scum. I didn't think he was town because he scum slipped. I'm not some secret experienced player who's been playing for years. I'm pretty young, I wasn't even allowed on the internet until a few years ago. There's no way for me to build up a ton of experience on something so obscure as scumslip tendencies in a game I thought was restricted to cards until 2 weeks ago.
How the fuck do you screw something like that up, like you even use words like supicions and scum, How the fuck do you make that of actually having a townread... that's just... too fricken impossible.

It looks to me more like it's scum caught in a lie.
Bonus because this happened during real time discussion.
K. In this sentence, suspicious means doubtful. Despite what everyone else was saying I was doubtful of him being scum. That's how the sentence should be interpreted.
Sakura
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Yeah, no.

Wordplay wont get past me.
Drezi
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Sakura wrote:

from experience scumslips come more often from town than from scum
This is how every town mislynch goes down, someone messes up something or says something dubious and everyone goes "omg must be scum" and xy town something has been lynched.

Why would scum be more likely to say he had suspicions of Slaini actually being scum over doubts. I mean if he slipped he knew someone was town, then sure it could be a scumslip because he forgot town!he shouldn't know that but this?

So yeah this aspect doesn't really worry me.

What DOES makes me wary is how he said:

Ace Timing wrote:

Do scum always act irrational and unpredictably? No. Do you know why? Because of the nature of their win condition. Scum are the ones who play the game the most carefully, because they are the one's most in danger. So please guys don't just go "hurr durr read didn't make sense he's scum".
Because I don't really see scum intentions, and I think his whole explanation checks out and his plan is something a new town player would be more likely to come up with, even if I don't think it had been too effective with regards to the actual conclusions he tried to draw. But as Sakura said him emphasizing his idea of scum/town meta in his defense nullifies this read I'd have if it wasn't for that quote.

But well that still only means it's nullish to me, and I think we can get a better lynch than that.
Drezi
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nullish with wifom, so technically it's worse but still.
Sakura
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I could go over for Hika too tbh, it's just that at the rate this is going she's gonna be replaced since she never declared V/LA?

The thing with Ace is that he can't explain his Scum -> Town shift. So he's trying to play with words to make it look like he was townreading him the entire time.

My theory of scum motivation for that slip is that since he knows Slaini's town he decided to stay off and townread him for town cred so he can't explain his scum > town shift.

However he made that explanation after he was the one being wagoned and the wagon on Slaini had died, it's the only thing making me doubtful right now.
Drezi
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Drezi
But I don't think there was a scumread from him on slaini apart from that "badly worded" sentence which only happeend now while he explained his stuff.
Sakura
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I just dont get why would he make that mistake, unless he'd been self-conscious of something. And i still don't get why he got a townread on Slaini out of all that happened, I mean, most of the way he plays as if it was someone with experience OR knowledge of alignments.

Am i just being paranoid?
Ace Timing
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Maybe. I've never played this game online, but I have in real life. And when I played, it was with ~25 people, so I'm not really used to 9 players. My read on Slaini was less of a townread and more I didn't understand why he was labeled scum. I don't think the way I play is experienced, but, then again this is my first mafia game online. I wouldn't know ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Navizel
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So Ace is just being a huge piece of WIFOM. Okay..
Ace Timing
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Navizel wrote:

So Ace is just being a huge piece of WIFOM. Okay..
I like that movie, so everything Daijoubu
Sakura
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Most of the things you mention are things i have picked up on experience, normally i get paranoid of newbies that mention such things because there's no way someone would know such things without experience or alignment knowledge.

But if the way people suspected Slaini made you townread him, why didn't you mention anything about Navi who was also heavily suspected as well?
Ace Timing
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Oh, I didn't have any doubts about Navi, and I didn't really bother to read his ISO.
Sakura
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Ace Timing wrote:

Oh, I didn't have any doubts about Navi, and I didn't really bother to read his ISO.
I can tell you didnt read his ISO, otherwise you'd have read this:

Navizel wrote:

Heck, I could even claim right now that I am a jailkeeper.
But that's not what I was asking, try again.
Ace Timing
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I guess the easiest answer to why I didn't mention anything about Navi is that I really didn't care. I only needed one person to put on the list, so I picked one and ignored the rest. That's why everyone else is null. They didn't really matter.
Sakura
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I am not talking about your initial readslist, im talking about your 2nd one.

You said you randomly picked Slaini and put him as town due to how he was attacked, and after the reactions you strengthened that read.
But Navizel was also attacked heavily, yet you put Navi as null scum (Claims aside, this read doesnt make any sense).

Also if you arent transparent with your thoughts how would you have expected me to pick up on stuff like you didn't ISO anyone else, or the fact that you haven't read anything until then.
Sakura
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Like srsly, im still at a big question mark on where your thought process is... and that isn't good.
Ace Timing
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You still seem to think that I thought that Slaini was town BECAUSE of the fact that he was being suspected. I didn't think that those were justified, so I used him. On the other hand, I didn't read Navi's posts, so I don;t know why he was suspected and quite frankly I didn't need to. I did explain why I put him as null-scum
Same reason, I looked at your reactions to my read. You didn't really respond to it at all. You just repeated what was already mentioned and how it didn't mesh well with you. You had very little involvement, which I took as suspicious, but could not use as evidence to you being scum, so therefore I just left you as null-scum.
The only one I didn't explain is yours.
Sakura
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Ace Timing wrote:

You still seem to think that I thought that Slaini was town BECAUSE of the fact that he was being suspected. I didn't think that those were justified, so I used him.
Oh >_>
Ok now i feel like a derp
Actually the more i talk with you the less convinced you're scum, but i had to make sure.
Unvote
Normally i'd sheep Drezi onto Hika here, but if she's getting replaced soon i want to hear from the replacement first, besides, we're not in a rush.
Amianki
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[2] Ace Timing -- Zexion, -[Jess]-
[1] Hika -- Drezi
[1] Navizel -- sLaiNi
[1] sLaiNi -- Navizel
[1] Static Noise Bird -- Ace Timing
[1] Zexion -- Hika
[0] -[Jess]- --
[0] Drezi --
[0] Sakura --



[0] No Lynch -
Not Voting -- Sakura, Static Noise Bird
With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

Deadline is July 3 at 3:30PM CST (GMT-6).

Hika has been prodded.
Last edited by Amianki , edited 1 time in total.
Sakura
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Huh, i thought hika was already prodded...
Zexion
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Navizel wrote:

Zexion wrote:

Scum-ish: Hika, Ace, Navizel (Can't trust him until we make that claim clear).
So are you willing to vote for me because you're scumreading me even though I claimed JK?
So now you are actually claiming? Because some posts ago you told us to interpret as we wished. You can't expect me to townread you after your attitude and shady claim. I'm not gonna trust you after that, then again, I have no intention to lynch you, at least not today.

Drezi wrote:

I think Ace shouldn't be the lynch here, vote Hika instead.

Discuss.
I agree. Her ideas were vague at best and she never showed any signs of actually telling us her master plan, which makes me believe she was only pretending to be scumhunting or maybe lazy to actually do it. To be honest, I'm confortable with either Ace or Hika eating rope today, but we still have time until Hika comes back or gets replaced. I really don't get any townvibes from Ace, but Hika's style was way more supicious so I'm switching votes for now...


Unvote

Vote: Hika

Static Noise Bird wrote:

I still can't see what's the fuzz about Hika.
Did you read Hika's ISO? You can't tell me there's nothing wrong there.
Birdy
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Zexion wrote:

Static Noise Bird wrote:

I still can't see what's the fuzz about Hika.
Did you read Hika's ISO? You can't tell me there's nothing wrong there.
I did. Am I supposed to take a hint from the "yeah I was just reaction testing" posts?
sLaiNi
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Sakura wrote:

Ace Timing wrote:

Oh, I didn't have any doubts about Navi, and I didn't really bother to read his ISO.
I can tell you didnt read his ISO, otherwise you'd have read this:

Navizel wrote:

Heck, I could even claim right now that I am a jailkeeper.
But that's not what I was asking, try again.

Why are you so sure about his claim bring real?
sLaiNi
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*being
-[Jess]-
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@mod you forgot my vote
-[Jess]-
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Why I so late to online

I promise I will answer on tonight ;v;

Just wait for me to eat dinner
Sakura
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sLaiNi wrote:

Why are you so sure about his claim bring real?
What's the poiint of caring right now whether is real or not?
Why are you rolefishing?

Also this game's starting to get boring.
sLaiNi
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I don't care if it's real or not, but you seem to, otherwise I wouldn't understand you, saying that Navizel's claim is a reason for not scumreading him:

Sakura wrote:

I can tell you didnt read his ISO, otherwise you'd have read this:

Navizel wrote:

Heck, I could even claim right now that I am a jailkeeper.

Why are you so sure about his claim bring real?[/quote]
sLaiNi
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sLaiNi
Close, nearly edited the post above: "
Why are you so sure about his claim bring real?[/quote]" was an edit fail of me.
Sakura
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I could care less what alignment Navizel is right now, i mentioned this several times but you seem intent in misreping me.

Vote: Slaini
There's no way this person's town.
sLaiNi
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sLaiNi

Sakura wrote:

I could care less what alignment Navizel is right now, i mentioned this several times but you seem intent in misreping me.

Vote: Slaini
There's no way this person's town.

You seem pretty unnerved just because I asked you a simple question. Still you avoid it.
Drezi
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Why are you voting Navizel?
Sakura
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Proof you're full of crap

Sakura wrote:

My reads have changed from last time.
Town: SNB, Drezi, Maaybe Zexion.
Scum: Ace, Maaaybe Slaini, Maaybe Hika.
Don't care: Navizel.
Where the fuck are they and why arent they voting: Jess.

I specifically dont like how Ace tried to buy townpoints when saying "HEY GUYS LOOK HOW IM BEING RECKLESS INSTEAD OF CAREFUL, SCUM DOESNT DO THIS!"
Can't even explain his scumread on me either.

Sakura wrote:

My reads have changed from last time.
Town: SNB, Drezi, Maaybe Zexion.
Scum: Ace, Maaaybe Slaini, Maaybe Hika.
Don't care: Navizel.
Where the fuck are they and why arent they voting: Jess.

I specifically dont like how Ace tried to buy townpoints when saying "HEY GUYS LOOK HOW IM BEING RECKLESS INSTEAD OF CAREFUL, SCUM DOESNT DO THIS!"
Can't even explain his scumread on me either.

Sakura wrote:

My reads have changed from last time.
Town: SNB, Drezi, Maaybe Zexion.
Scum: Ace, Maaaybe Slaini, Maaybe Hika.
Don't care: Navizel.
Where the fuck are they and why arent they voting: Jess.

I specifically dont like how Ace tried to buy townpoints when saying "HEY GUYS LOOK HOW IM BEING RECKLESS INSTEAD OF CAREFUL, SCUM DOESNT DO THIS!"
Can't even explain his scumread on me either.

Sakura wrote:

My reads have changed from last time.
Town: SNB, Drezi, Maaybe Zexion.
Scum: Ace, Maaaybe Slaini, Maaybe Hika.
Don't care: Navizel.
Where the fuck are they and why arent they voting: Jess.

I specifically dont like how Ace tried to buy townpoints when saying "HEY GUYS LOOK HOW IM BEING RECKLESS INSTEAD OF CAREFUL, SCUM DOESNT DO THIS!"
Can't even explain his scumread on me either.

Sakura wrote:

My reads have changed from last time.
Town: SNB, Drezi, Maaybe Zexion.
Scum: Ace, Maaaybe Slaini, Maaybe Hika.
Don't care: Navizel.
Where the fuck are they and why arent they voting: Jess.

I specifically dont like how Ace tried to buy townpoints when saying "HEY GUYS LOOK HOW IM BEING RECKLESS INSTEAD OF CAREFUL, SCUM DOESNT DO THIS!"
Can't even explain his scumread on me either.
Or are you gonna tell me that you're blind too?
sLaiNi
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Drezi wrote:

Why are you voting Navizel?
My vote is still from the time he didn't want to answer any question.

He didn't do anything that made me think else of him.
Drezi
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Drezi
what

he claimed JK, he's conftown until/unless counterclaimed, which should not happen today, so your vote is useless now.
sLaiNi
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I guess we have a big misscommunication there.

So just forget it. It won't bring us any further.
Drezi
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Ok, so let me phrase the question differently: why are you not making use of your vote now?
Sakura
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sLaiNi wrote:

I guess we have a big misscommunication there.

So just forget it. It won't bring us any further.
"Ops im going to look bad if i continue so im just going to stop"

Fricken fucking hell.

I'm just gonna vote park here until the rest of the town decides to see that newb scum is a thing.
sLaiNi
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Drezi wrote:

what

he claimed JK, he's conftown until/unless counterclaimed, which should not happen today, so your vote is useless now.

The point is, why are we sure now, that he is JK just because he said so? Could anyone explain it finally?

People said if I had a question I should ask. I do ask and get voted for doing so because it's suspicious. Firetruck logic.
Sakura
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I explained it already, a few posts after navi claimed.
Sakura
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Right here v

Sakura wrote:

Im here, im just gonna start re-reading however, overnight i realized that...
About Navi i dont even need to care, whether i townread or scumread him right now is irrelevant as well as whehter i believe the claim or not, because if it's true scum will kill him anyway (JK's pretty dangerous to leave around just by mere statistical chance of NK being blocked), so I'm just gonna take that information in mind when i re-read.

Sakura wrote:

In adition if Navi's lying we will know tomorrow.
Assuming Navi lives over the night, if he's lying any power role that can counterclaim Navi should wait until tomorrow to do so because:
1) If Navi's a VT lying he's trying to draw the night kill, counterclaiming him right now would screw that up, in adition we would get a mislynch due to a CC, and give information to scum.
2) If Navi's Scum lying then he can be lynched tomorrow if there are any CCs.

Roles that can CC Navi: Cop, Doc, Tracker, JK.

Take that in mind and avoid CCing today.

Please, Please, PLEASE dont CC today just in case (Also all you'd do is attract a night kill and do nothing with your role).

Ok NOW im gonna re-read
sLaiNi
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Sakura wrote:

In adition if Navi's lying we will know tomorrow.
Assuming Navi lives over the night, if he's lying any power role that can counterclaim Navi should wait until tomorrow to do so because:
1) If Navi's a VT lying he's trying to draw the night kill, counterclaiming him right now would screw that up, in adition we would get a mislynch due to a CC, and give information to scum.
2) If Navi's Scum lying then he can be lynched tomorrow if there are any CCs.

Roles that can CC Navi: Cop, Doc, Tracker, JK.

Take that in mind and avoid CCing today.

Please, Please, PLEASE dont CC today just in case (Also all you'd do is attract a night kill and do nothing with your role).

Ok NOW im gonna re-read
Like that?
sLaiNi
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Ups, were searching for it and posted it, not seeing that you've also posted the same.

Okay, I'll give you that. Thanks for the advice.
Sakura
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Sigh... maybe i should stop joining newbie games. While i like to teach, it's hard to when people dont fricken read my posts where im teaching them.
sLaiNi
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Might it be that you are pretty tired in IRL? Your posts seem pretty emotional ATM.

Sorry for the missunderstanding though. I appreciate all of your posts (as they are the most informative at the moment), but you have to see, that it's a ton of information. Not only that single post we were discussing over. So overseeing or forgetting one thing is not worlds end i guess. Just so you know your "work" is appreciated.
Drezi
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ok so with Navi being clear for today who are you gonna vote and why slaini?
sLaiNi
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Let me take a quick look at -[Jess]-'s and Hika's ISO. I stated some reasons for Hika a few pages ago (I will post my decision in some minutes) and Jess didn't contribute a lot until now.
Navizel
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@Slaini, why are you so willing to vote me? IMO your read on me doesn't really matter in D1 since I already claimed JK. You're voting someone with a potential to be actually JK. If you're town, imo he best possible decision would be just vote someone else. Losing a power role is detrimental to town. Jailkeeper could protect any townie from mafia kills. Though mafia might have a roleblocker and then blocks me N1. Even so, it's a pretty bad decisipn. You can just kill me anyway in D2 if you insist.
Navizel
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wait am I late

I'm currently on my phone
Navizel
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Zexion wrote:

So now you are actually claiming? Because some posts ago you told us to interpret as we wished. You can't expect me to townread you after your attitude and shady claim. I'm not gonna trust you after that, then again, I have no intention to lynch you, at least not today.
Also Zexion, it's meant to lure people. If people decided to lynch me even though I claimed I'm going to scumread whoever got lured.
Drezi
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Drezi
wow that post pings me so hard, for a moment I considered voting Navi again despite the claim.

Navi make sure you jail me at night :)
Ace Timing
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sigh
unvote
Slaini is quite honestly suspicious as fuck, and even though I townread him, I can't avoid the possibility. Not going to vote for anyone, stuck between Hika and Slaini, but I'll wait until either of them says something.
Navizel
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Drezi wrote:

wow that post pings me so hard, for a moment I considered voting Navi again despite the claim.

Navi make sure you jail me at night :)
You should've made yourself look scummier. Too bad.

Btw, still keeping my vote on Slaini. It might seem beginner play but right now, he has done many things to be more suspicious.
sLaiNi
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sLaiNi

Navizel wrote:

wait am I late

I'm currently on my phone
Yes, a little bit late ^^

UNVOTE


I have to say that Jess' didn't contribute a lot. Still, I don't think we should vote her just now.

So I will vote Hika for known reasons. But as we aren't in a hurry it might be a good idea to wait for her replacement, wouldn't it?

So:

VOTE: Hika

PROD: Hika ( if it hasn't been done yet )
sLaiNi
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sLaiNi
EDIT:

Already has been prodded. Sorry for that ^^
sLaiNi
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sLaiNi

Drezi wrote:

wow that post pings me so hard, for a moment I considered voting Navi again despite the claim.

Navi make sure you jail me at night :)
What does "pings me" mean? o.O
Ace Timing
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If she doesn't respond in the next 6 hours, she'll be replaced anyway.
Navizel
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sLaiNi wrote:

EDIT:

Already has been prodded. Sorry for that ^^
Did you actually

editing isn't allowed in mafia games. editing a post can get you modkilled. it's in the rules
sLaiNi
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sLaiNi

Navizel wrote:

sLaiNi wrote:

EDIT:

Already has been prodded. Sorry for that ^^
Did you actually

editing isn't allowed in mafia games. editing a post can get you modkilled. it's in the rules
I know, I just wrote "EDIT" as a replacement for the actual edit functionality. So I didn't not actually edit it.

Thanks for pointing it out, though :)
Navizel
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Oh. I kind of realized it when you wrote that in a new post. Hahaha my bad
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Navizel wrote:

You should've made yourself look scummier. Too bad.
Now, why would you give scum information? ;) Trying to jail the killer with 2 scum alive is bad anyway.
Drezi
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No it's not.
Navizel
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I guess I just wrote whatever what's on my mind. I usually don't think what I'm typing when I'm on my phone. And probably because I used to write very little in mafia games.

sLaiNi wrote:

UNVOTE


I have to say that Jess' didn't contribute a lot. Still, I don't think we should vote her just now.

So I will vote Hika for known reasons. But as we aren't in a hurry it might be a good idea to wait for her replacement, wouldn't it?

So:

VOTE: Hika

PROD: Hika ( if it hasn't been done yet )
You're being contradicting here. Why would you vote Hika when you said waiting for her replacement is a good idea and we aren't in a hurry?
Navizel
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You're being a hypocrite* seems like a better fit than contradicting there. whoops.
Ace Timing
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Drezi wrote:

No it's not.
lolwut.png
Drezi
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Drezi
What I said was wrong in this case, my bad.
Ace Timing
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Navizel wrote:

You're being a hypocrite* seems like a better fit than contradicting there. whoops.
No need to switch from observational to derogatory here...
sLaiNi
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Navizel wrote:

I guess I just wrote whatever what's on my mind. I usually don't think what I'm typing when I'm on my phone. And probably because I used to write very little in mafia games.

sLaiNi wrote:

UNVOTE


I have to say that Jess' didn't contribute a lot. Still, I don't think we should vote her just now.

So I will vote Hika for known reasons. But as we aren't in a hurry it might be a good idea to wait for her replacement, wouldn't it?

So:

VOTE: Hika

PROD: Hika ( if it hasn't been done yet )
You're being contradicting here. Why would you vote Hika when you said waiting for her replacement is a good idea and we aren't in a hurry?
If I hadn't voted for her, anyone (including you) would've said I was a hypocrite for saying I don't want to vote you anymore, but instead I don't remove my vote either.

That's indeed contradicting.
Navizel
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Navizel
it's more of a bad grammar than derogating someone. my bad.
Ace Timing
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Ace Timing

sLaiNi wrote:

Navizel wrote:

You're being contradicting here. Why would you vote Hika when you said waiting for her replacement is a good idea and we aren't in a hurry?
If I hadn't voted for her, anyone (including you) would've said I was a hypocrite for saying I don't want to vote you anymore, but instead I don't remove my vote either.

That's indeed contradicting.
The fuck?
Navizel
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Navizel
I never asked you to vote someone else especially someone who hasn't posted here for 3 days.
Ace Timing
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Ace Timing

Navizel wrote:

it's more of a bad grammar than derogating someone. my bad.
no, they literally mean the same thing. One is just harsher than the other. You switched from the "you might not have thought this out properly" to "you don't follow your own words" with no provocation.
sLaiNi
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Joined May 2013
sLaiNi

Navizel wrote:

I never asked you to vote someone else especially someone who hasn't posted here for 3 days.
Eitherway the point is, that I suspected her for a long time.

The point is not that I don't want people to vote for her, instead I don't want us to lynch her. That was bad wording on my side there (writing vote instead of lynch).
Navizel
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Navizel
"You're being contradicting" sounds bad to me that's why I changed it to "You're being a hypocrite." I know they mean the same thing but I just wrote the latter because I didn't want to figure out the former to make it correct. That's actually my only reason. I'm sorry if that sounded more offending.
sLaiNi
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sLaiNi
I guess no problem there. ^^
Ace Timing
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Ace Timing
:x

sLaiNi wrote:

Navizel wrote:

I never asked you to vote someone else especially someone who hasn't posted here for 3 days.
Eitherway the point is, that I suspected her for a long time.

The point is not that I don't want people to vote for her, instead I don't want us to lynch her. That was bad wording on my side there (writing vote instead of lynch).
how can you have people vote for her and not lynch her. Voting and Lynching have a direct correlation. By voting for people, they get lynched. That whole post makes no sense.
Ace Timing
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Joined October 2014
Ace Timing
the fuck is that emoji at the top...
didn't even put it there...
Drezi
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Joined January 2014
Drezi

Ace Timing wrote:

how can you have people vote for her and not lynch her.
?? you can pressure someone and decide to lynch or not based on their defense and the way others join the wagon etcetc.
sLaiNi
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Joined May 2013
sLaiNi

Drezi wrote:

Ace Timing wrote:

how can you have people vote for her and not lynch her.
?? you can pressure someone and decide to lynch or not based on their defense and the way others join the wagon etcetc.
Exactly how I meant it.
Hika
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Hika
I'm back. I'll post something later, please wait.
Hika
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Joined February 2010
Hika
Actually no, I want a replacement here. Sorry guys.
sLaiNi
34 posts
Joined May 2013
sLaiNi

Hika wrote:

Actually no, I want a replacement here. Sorry guys.
Oh, I hope everything is alright.

If not, I wish you all the best. Was a nice game with you and thanks for it.
Amianki
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Joined January 2011
Topic Starter
Amianki
Vote Count 1.07


[3] Hika -- Drezi, Zexion, sLaiNi
[2] sLaiNi -- Navizel, Sakura
[1] Ace Timing -- -[Jess]-
[1] Zexion -- Hika
[0] -[Jess]- --
[0] Drezi --
[0] Navizel --
[0] Sakura --
[0] Static Noise Bird --



[0] No Lynch -
Not Voting -- Ace Timing, Static Noise Bird
With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

Deadline is July 3 at 3:30PM CST (GMT-6).

Hika and Sakura are being replaced.
Navizel
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Navizel
Sakura too? woah
Ace Timing
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Ace Timing
How would one interact with a replacement? They won't know anything about what their predecessor was think or their plans, so how would they be able to dispel any suspicions?
Zexion
308 posts
Joined May 2012
Zexion

Zexion wrote:

Did you read Hika's ISO? You can't tell me there's nothing wrong there.
I did. Am I supposed to take a hint from the "yeah I was just reaction testing" posts?[/quote]

No. Read it from the side of Hika's masterplan.

Navizel wrote:

Zexion wrote:

So now you are actually claiming? Because some posts ago you told us to interpret as we wished. You can't expect me to townread you after your attitude and shady claim. I'm not gonna trust you after that, then again, I have no intention to lynch you, at least not today.
Also Zexion, it's meant to lure people. If people decided to lynch me even though I claimed I'm going to scumread whoever got lured.
For the Nth time, I'm not gonna vote you, but I can't trust you. I think I made this clear already, so why are you -still- worried about this?

Ace Timing wrote:

Navizel wrote:

You're being a hypocrite* seems like a better fit than contradicting there. whoops.
No need to switch from observational to derogatory here...
A little note, that's not derrogatory. Being hypocrital is a non-ofensive term. Calling it "a f**** liar* would be derogatory.

Ace Timing wrote:

How would one interact with a replacement? They won't know anything about what their predecessor was think or their plans, so how would they be able to dispel any suspicions?
I'd like to join at this question here for the more experienced players. If Hika's replacement starts making sense then it could change our reads, so far why are we voting Hika is her overall attitude, I didn't see something like a scumslip...

Also sorry for my low activity but I was pretty busy these days.

Also Sakura replacing out? :o Unexpected...
Navizel
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Navizel

Ace Timing wrote:

How would one interact with a replacement? They won't know anything about what their predecessor was think or their plans, so how would they be able to dispel any suspicions?
Don't trust the replacements. Kappa

but that's just me speaking from my experience lel
Amianki
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Joined January 2011
Topic Starter
Amianki
rEdo replaces Hika.
Nyquill replaces Sakura.

Both will be effective immediately (AKA the moment I send the PMs out).

EDIT: rEdo is V/LA until July 1.
Nyquill
osu! Alumni
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Nyquill
Hi, I'll catch up soon.
Nyquill
osu! Alumni
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Nyquill
Jess, Drezi, Ace Timing

What's your experience with mafia?

Drezi wrote:

Navi make sure you jail me at night :)
FoS: Drezi

There's nothing town you can possibly gain from this. Explain yourself.
Birdy
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Joined April 2011
Birdy
Wow. Shit. Didn't expect this.

@mod: V/LA until July 4th~5th. In the middle of moving out (which will finally happen on July 4th). Should be able to check things daily, but nothing is sure, especially how well am I able to post.
Ace Timing
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Ace Timing

Nyquill wrote:

Jess, Drezi, Ace Timing

What's your experience with mafia?
I've never played this game before online, but I have played this game irl, but with a larger number of people (20-25).
Drezi
217 posts
Joined January 2014
Drezi

Nyquill wrote:

Drezi wrote:

Navi make sure you jail me at night :)
FoS: Drezi

There's nothing town you can possibly gain from this. Explain yourself.
Mainly a taunt/sarcasm because his prev post made me wonder about his claim, and if he happened to be scum he'd want to kill me, also wanted to get in some wifom protection at the same time.

You just replaced in, post your reads of Hika (and Hika only, without rEdo coming into the picture yet), Zexion, Slaini and Ace. More is welcome.
-[Jess]-
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-[Jess]-

Nyquill wrote:

Jess, Drezi, Ace Timing

What's your experience with mafia?
Never played this game before in online,played a game that smiler of this in Real life.

The game call 'killer'

The killer game has lots of different Roles

And the night time was longer that day time
Nyquill
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Nyquill
oh god that entire twist turn conversation was so confusing

Hika's the best lynch via PoE, but I'm not moving Sakura's vote because sLaini's move onto the Hika wagon felt paranoid.

Its great that we have long deadlines.
Nyquill
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Nyquill
Hey Navizel, we don't care about you today. Try to be more aggressive. We are less likely to want to lynch you tommorow if you're still around. It helps us greatly. By aggressive I don't mean continually be paranoid about Zexion's read on you either.

Zexion, how do you feel about Slaini and Drezi?
Drezi
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Joined January 2014
Drezi
Why the two of us specifically?
Nyquill
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Nyquill
I'll answer that after he answers me.
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