welp,i am here now 2.0

Sakura wrote:

Also what part of Slaini has been "contributing"?

i don't seen a part he has been "contributing"

I just stand from his point of view to think

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Here is my read after i make notes and think:

Town:
Sakura
[She seen to contributing(It just my view)]
Zexion
Drezi
Null:
Slaini
(I am still a bit of suspects of you)
SNB
Hika
Scum:
Ace Timing
(he posts make no any sense at all)

If I don't explain that is just my feels

Remember :It is just me views

-[Jess]- wrote:

Town:
Sakura
[She seen to contributing(It just my view)]
Zexion
Drezi
Null:
Slaini
(I am still a bit of suspects of you)
SNB
Hika
Scum:
Ace Timing
(he posts make no any sense at all)

Could you please elaborate on why do you townread Zexion? Also where is Navi on your list?

Going to read more now, think I've missed a page or two again, and see if there's anything I can comment on.

Sakura wrote:

Ace Timing wrote:

I'm rescinding my vote on SNB
unvote

I'm now casting my vote onto Zexion, general deflection and accusing people just because of simply ignoring accusations,

Ace Timing wrote:

forgot to cast vote kek
vote Zexion

Ace Timing wrote:

Current Reads:
Town:
Slaini

Null:
Everyone else.

I'll just just now put these quotes together, if you can't see it, then i'll explain it tomorrow.

Oh wow. Fuck. Think the scumteam might not be Zexion/Slaini anymore. I'll hold my vote till tomorrow morning though (or tonight, depending on how long can I force myself to stay up) since I want to see what Hika has to say about Drezi and Sakura's posts and more importantly what Ace has to say.

Sakura wrote:

I also dislike the fact that after all this i still only have 3 townreads, and one of them is only because "Claimed something that will die tonight, so idc"

Assuming Drezi is the second, who is the third one and why?

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Could you please elaborate on why do you townread Zexion? Also where is Navi on your list?

i can't , it just my silly thought

and about Navi...

i will put him on null

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Oh wow. Fuck. Think the scumteam might not be Zexion/Slaini anymore. I'll hold my vote till tomorrow morning though (or tonight, depending on how long can
Assuming Drezi is the second, who is the third one and why?

I pretend you are talking about Ace being scumteam with me. If that's the case: Don't you think it's a bit hastily to react like this to something, which seems like pure random vote / random read.

Hmmm.. Why would you add someone on your townlist because of a silly thought? It doesn't make sense to me. Also, could you give more reasons and explain your reads?

My post above is directed to Jess btw.

Just a note to you guys, I'm not making a random read here, I'm not an idiot. I maybe a newbie, but I'm intelligent enough to read the ISOs. Please don't assume I'm an idiot stuck in RVS. There's a reason that Slaini is the only one in my townlist, and there is also a reason why I don't feel the need to elaborate. Does making sudden reads make you scum? Is this how the game is played? Do scum always act irrational and unpredictably? No. Do you know why? Because of the nature of their win condition. Scum are the ones who play the game the most carefully, because they are the one's most in danger. So please guys don't just go "hurr durr read didn't make sense he's scum".
kek.

Ace Timing wrote:

Just a note to you guys, I'm not making a random read here, I'm not an idiot. I maybe a newbie, but I'm intelligent enough to read the ISOs. Please don't assume I'm an idiot stuck in RVS. There's a reason that Slaini is the only one in my townlist, and there is also a reason why I don't feel the need to elaborate. Does making sudden reads make you scum? Is this how the game is played? Do scum always act irrational and unpredictably? No. Do you know why? Because of the nature of their win condition. Scum are the ones who play the game the most carefully, because they are the one's most in danger. So please guys don't just go "hurr durr read didn't make sense he's scum".
kek.

Didn't expect an answer like this though.

So you mean, there are also reasons, that you won't explain your votes?

You know that with what you said, you just invalidated any reason for thinking your town for "not being careful" right?
However, the reason i presented those quotes was different it's not "no they dont make sense" it's "the fact that they dont go with your actions".
Also ftr i've been awake for a while and reading, but i wanted to get more people to comment on my post as a reaction test of sorts, i fully intended to explain it as soon as i woke up, however, when i saw slaini's comment on my post i decided to run it as some sort of reaction test, but more on that later first...

In Ace's reads list he only has Slaini as town, the rest as null, while your vote has been on SNB then to Zexion. "But Sakura why is this a problem?", tell me, why would you even move your vote from a nullread to a nullread?, 2 reasons, 1 you townread the person you're currently voting, 2, you scumread the person you switched your vote onto.

From Ace's post, you would think he'd be scumreading Zexion, however, Zexion doesn't appear anywhere as scum, "But Zexion could still be a null read Sakura!" Then why move the vote off SNB?, one would think because SNB became a townread.... which SUPRISE! it's also absent from his town list.

Then also: Slaini's reply to "So she's probably saying that i'm scum!" makes me think he's self-conscious if he thinks that would involve him as a scumspect. I mean really, why would i even bother quoting Ace's unvote and vote if it was just about him putting Slaini as a townread?.

Anyway, as I was saying earlier, Ace just says "This is my idea of how a town and scum play would differ" So if he's scum he knows that's how a town would play and can perfectly fake it, just as anyone that's self-aware of their own town and scum meta. Making his whole "ERMAGAWD GUYS LOOK IM DOING THIS TOWNIE THINGS BECAUSE SCUM WOULD PLAY LIKE THIS INSTEAD" entirely null.

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Assuming Drezi is the second, who is the third one and why?

You're corrent on Drezi, the 3rd was Hika... at the time, im still not sure what to think, because Drezi's poitns also make sense.

Sakura wrote:

tell me, why would you even move your vote from a nullread to a nullread?, 2 reasons, 1 you townread the person you're currently voting, 2, you scumread the person you switched your vote onto.

From Ace's post, you would think he'd be scumreading Zexion, however, Zexion doesn't appear anywhere as scum, "But Zexion could still be a null read Sakura!" Then why move the vote off SNB?, one would think because SNB became a townread.... which SUPRISE! it's also absent from his town list.

Then also: Slaini's reply to "So she's probably saying that i'm scum!" makes me think he's self-conscious if he thinks that would involve him as a scumspect. I mean really, why would i even bother quoting Ace's unvote and vote if it was just about him putting Slaini as a townread?.

You're very close to my true intentions, but you're off a bit. Here's a little hint. My vote on Slaini wasn't a townread, but it also wasn't a scum read. I didn't pick Slaini arbitrarily, but it didn't have to be him. Have fun

So basically your post tells us nothing... just a bunch of WIFOM.

I've also been wondering something for a little while now, why would me putting Slaini in my "townread" put me and him as a team of scum?
This question is particularly aimed towards you SNB.

Ace it's good and all if it makes sense in your head, but your not playing your own game, you need to show some results and tell us about some of your conclusions eventually, otherwise we don't really have much to work with regarding you. Because even if your intentions are good, we have no way to tell, and no reason to trust you based on you only telling us to chill out and that you know what you're doing.

Sakura wrote:

And now i realize that Zexion's also voting Hika..
I don't even know what to do anymore.

Why is this a surprise? Heck, I explained this posts ago and I think my reason was at least valid.

Also people are not townreading me because of my wording, yeah I think I'm a little too harsh with words sometimes but... I think that's the way I play.

sLaiNi wrote:

Sakura wrote:

I don't know why you think im accusing YOU of the bolded, but the only players that know the alignment of others are scum (as of right now at least), So Slaini putting you as null town while saying you know for certain he's town is not supposed to raise any flags for me?.

It's not exactly like that. It's rather that I said, that he acted LIKE he knew for sure that I was town. That was the reason I didn't put him full-town instead.

Huh? I don't even remember me claiming you were town. For the Nth time, it was the way you worded your "scumsplip" that caught my attention and I thought it could have been some words making sense in german but being suspicious in english. Please don't make me repeat this again.

Drezi wrote:

I meant the for the goodnight post, I guess you're being polite but it can be seen as trying to get on Sakura's good side since she scumread you.

Just to add a litltle off-game thing here, we're not exactly a happy family in this game, its like we suspect each other so its not exactly the place to build friendships. Of course, what happens in mafia stays in mafia so outside its all good ^_^

Navizel wrote:

I don't really like Ace Timing's post. He didn't even explain his reads. Why is Slaini town and Zexion null?

This was already asked at that time. Why are you repeating questions? Ace didn't post since the list until now so its not like he was evading the question or something.

Ace Timing wrote:

Sakura wrote:

tell me, why would you even move your vote from a nullread to a nullread?, 2 reasons, 1 you townread the person you're currently voting, 2, you scumread the person you switched your vote onto.

From Ace's post, you would think he'd be scumreading Zexion, however, Zexion doesn't appear anywhere as scum, "But Zexion could still be a null read Sakura!" Then why move the vote off SNB?, one would think because SNB became a townread.... which SUPRISE! it's also absent from his town list.

Then also: Slaini's reply to "So she's probably saying that i'm scum!" makes me think he's self-conscious if he thinks that would involve him as a scumspect. I mean really, why would i even bother quoting Ace's unvote and vote if it was just about him putting Slaini as a townread?.

You're very close to my true intentions, but you're off a bit. Here's a little hint. My vote on Slaini wasn't a townread, but it also wasn't a scum read. I didn't pick Slaini arbitrarily, but it didn't have to be him. Have fun

Oh you. You think you're some sort of quizmaster and we have to discover your thoughts to win a prize? Your post is basically useless as you don't feel like explaining the reasoning behind your actions. Doing so only hurts town because we are unable to view things like you do and draw new conclussions. Also no one is saying you're an idiot or something like that (let's not get offensive) but rather, how your actions doesn't seem to fit at this stage of the game.

Also "Have fun"... really?

If your playstyle is basically the same as Hika (i.e. "I am developing my scumhunt plan but for the moment I'll keep it to myself") that will just bring you trouble. Just sayin'.

Oh wait, in fact, it's the same. We can wait until Hika says a bit more.

Unvote

Vote: Ace Timing

I did something similar in my first game (I was a town doc) and I ended up having SNB think I'm scum, because I did not consider that even though what I'm doing makes sense to me, the others have no way to tell that I'm doing it for town purposes and it's not scum doing their scumstuff.

I have a similar issue that my scumhunting tends to only make sense to myself, the difference is that i actually am usually transparent on my thoughts (the usually meaning, barring setup stuff or reaction tests), and ppl have even gotten to calling my logic, moon logic nowadays, kinda frustrating @_@

Zexion wrote:

Just to add a litltle off-game thing here, we're not exactly a happy family in this game, its like we suspect each other so its not exactly the place to build friendships.

Actually if scum decides to give up themselves, we can offer them amnesty, and we can chill out here together, and live a happy long life on our little town, without all the bloodshed? How about that?

Drezi wrote:

Zexion wrote:

Just to add a litltle off-game thing here, we're not exactly a happy family in this game, its like we suspect each other so its not exactly the place to build friendships.

Actually if scum decides to give up themselves, we can offer them amnesty, and we can chill out here together, and live a happy long life on our little town, without all the bloodshed? How about that?

Did you know that's actually a thing? Usually after a certain ammount of phases with no deaths games end on Happy Ever After or smth, where it's a draw.

lol i never heard of that

Zexion wrote:

If your playstyle is basically the same as Hika (i.e. "I am developing my scumhunt plan but for the moment I'll keep it to myself") that will just bring you trouble. Just sayin'.

Oh wait, in fact, it's the same. We can wait until Hika says a bit more.

In fact Hika is the reason why I'm keeping my thoughts to myself but whatever. He's been gone for a little while now. Wonder what happened with him anyway.

Ace Timing wrote:

Sakura wrote:

tell me, why would you even move your vote from a nullread to a nullread?, 2 reasons, 1 you townread the person you're currently voting, 2, you scumread the person you switched your vote onto.

From Ace's post, you would think he'd be scumreading Zexion, however, Zexion doesn't appear anywhere as scum, "But Zexion could still be a null read Sakura!" Then why move the vote off SNB?, one would think because SNB became a townread.... which SUPRISE! it's also absent from his town list.

Then also: Slaini's reply to "So she's probably saying that i'm scum!" makes me think he's self-conscious if he thinks that would involve him as a scumspect. I mean really, why would i even bother quoting Ace's unvote and vote if it was just about him putting Slaini as a townread?.

You're very close to my true intentions, but you're off a bit. Here's a little hint. My vote on Slaini wasn't a townread, but it also wasn't a scum read. I didn't pick Slaini arbitrarily, but it didn't have to be him. Have fun

So you took someone, who is already suspected of being scum. That way you could see how the others react, e.g. starting a wagon right away?

Does that come close?

*Add:

You took someone who is suspected of being scum and then you pretend to be his partner.

kekerino
Reads (legit this time):

Town:
Slaini
Drezi

Null-town:
Hika
Zexion

Null-scum:
Sakura
Navizel

Scum:
SNB

Jesus, I always forget...
Static Noise Bird

God I'm retarded
Vote Static Noise Bird

Ace Timing wrote:

God I'm retarded
Vote Static Noise Bird

I really don't get your way of thinking, which makes it much more interesting, though.

Forgot the quote, I didn't mean to quote your vote there.

Vote Count 1.06


[2] Ace Timing -- Sakura, Zexion
[2] Zexion -- Hika, Static Noise Bird
[1] Hika -- Drezi
[1] Navizel -- sLaiNi
[1] sLaiNi -- Navizel
[1] Static Noise Bird -- Ace Timing
[0] -[Jess]- --
[0] Drezi --
[0] Sakura --



[0] No Lynch -
Not Voting -- -[Jess]-
With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

Deadline is July 3 at 3:30PM CST (GMT-6).

Ace Timing wrote:

kekerino
Reads (legit this time):

Town:
Slaini
Drezi

Null-town:
Hika
Zexion

Null-scum:
Sakura
Navizel

Scum:
SNB

YES! FINALLY! SOMEONE THAT SCUMREADS ME!
Now we can get things interesting, but i suppose you have an explanation for each of those reads?

what makes you happy about a scumread?

I get better reads when i'm scumread.

Actually nevermind, that still doesn't change the fact that it's just one person.

You see in the past i used to get wagoned a lot, so i learned to scumhunt from the reasons and ways people scumread me, this still hasn't changed but if for example only 1 person scumreads me, then i may, or may not get an accurate read there, because i have no one else to compare it to. Also people scumreading me for the sake of scumreading me so i have better reads wouldn't work either because part of that way of scumhunting would be to be able to see what's fake and what isn't... so... nevermind.

Point taken.

The reason why I am (currently) convinced that SNB is scum is that when I made that earlier read, he immediately thought that me and Slaini were a scum team. There was no real reason he should think so, so therefore, he must of been a scum trying to get me or Slaini lynched. Still can figure out what Hika is, as he hasn't been on in awhile. I honestly forgot why Sakura is null-scum. I'll probably remember, but I came up with these after seeing the responses to the read I made earlier. I picked Slaini simply because he was suspected of a scumslip earler on, and I was already kind of inclined to believe he was town. Kek.

^ I'd like to let SNB react to this first if possible.

Ace Timing wrote:

The reason why I am (currently) convinced that SNB is scum is that when I made that earlier read, he immediately thought that me and Slaini were a scum team. There was no real reason he should think so, so therefore, he must of been a scum trying to get me or Slaini lynched. Still can figure out what Hika is, as he hasn't been on in awhile. I honestly forgot why Sakura is null-scum. I'll probably remember, but I came up with these after seeing the responses to the read I made earlier. I picked Slaini simply because he was suspected of a scumslip earler on, and I was already kind of inclined to believe he was town. Kek.

No reason why am I null-scum?

Navizel wrote:

earlier. I picked Slaini simply because he was suspected of a scumslip earler on, and I was already kind of inclined to believe he was town. Kek.

No reason why am I null-scum?[/quote]
Same reason, I looked at your reactions to my read. You didn't really respond to it at all. You just repeated what was already mentioned and how it didn't mesh well with you. You had very little involvement, which I took as suspicious, but could not use as evidence to you being scum, so therefore I just left you as null-scum.

Lel didn't check formatting

Ace Timing wrote:

I picked Slaini simply because he was suspected of a scumslip earler on, and I was already kind of inclined to believe he was town. Kek.

>Someone scumslips
>HE MUST BE TOWN!

12/10 Logic right there.

However, it's not faulty logic, from experience scumslips come more often from town than from scum, i don't get how a supposed newbie would pick up on something like that however.

Ace Timing wrote:

Navizel wrote:

earlier. I picked Slaini simply because he was suspected of a scumslip earler on, and I was already kind of inclined to believe he was town. Kek.

No reason why am I null-scum?

Same reason, I looked at your reactions to my read. You didn't really respond to it at all. You just repeated what was already mentioned and how it didn't mesh well with you. You had very little involvement, which I took as suspicious, but could not use as evidence to you being scum, so therefore I just left you as null-scum.[/quote]

Tunnel vision, eh? It seems to me that you are only looking to posts that involves you. Did you bother looking at other posts cause I'm pretty sure I'm not just parroting the whole game.

Haha goddammit quotes

Ace Timing wrote:

The reason why I am (currently) convinced that SNB is scum is that when I made that earlier read, he immediately thought that me and Slaini were a scum team. There was no real reason he should think so, so therefore, he must of been a scum trying to get me or Slaini lynched. Still can figure out what Hika is, as he hasn't been on in awhile. I honestly forgot why Sakura is null-scum. I'll probably remember, but I came up with these after seeing the responses to the read I made earlier. I picked Slaini simply because he was suspected of a scumslip earler on, and I was already kind of inclined to believe he was town. Kek.

Excuse me, exactly when did I EVER say that you and Slaini were a scumteam? SLAINI drew that conclusion from my "Zexion/Slaini might not be the scumteam any more" comment. I'm not even going to ask you why would that instantly translate to me being a scum even if it was true - as far as I know you two have been highly questionable through the entire game. See this is yet another reason for why you're probably a scum, or so very scummy, at least. Here you're seen putting Slaini's words into my mouth, and making an overly paranoiac analysis from them, your possible scumpartner's words (there, now I said it myself) - a true scum in their natural habitat. Do you have a scum daychat where you can plan this stuff or something? Kek.

Vote: Ace Timing

Reading more now.

Oh by the way I want a votecount @mod. I don't know whether Ace has 2 or possibly 4 votes. Let's avoid derphammering as well as possible.

Actually fuck it at this point I just want to get Ace lynched. Kek.

Ace Timing wrote:

Zexion wrote:

If your playstyle is basically the same as Hika (i.e. "I am developing my scumhunt plan but for the moment I'll keep it to myself") that will just bring you trouble. Just sayin'.

Oh wait, in fact, it's the same. We can wait until Hika says a bit more.

In fact Hika is the reason why I'm keeping my thoughts to myself but whatever. He's been gone for a little while now. Wonder what happened with him anyway.

She/Her*

Why do you think that's a good playstyle and why do you null-town read her for that anyway?

sLaiNi wrote:

Ace Timing wrote:

God I'm retarded
Vote Static Noise Bird

I really don't get your way of thinking, which makes it much more interesting, though.

Makes it much more interesting, uh, sure. Does that help town? Do you want to help the town yourself?

-[Jess]- wrote:

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Could you please elaborate on why do you townread Zexion? Also where is Navi on your list?

i can't , it just my silly thought

and about Navi...

i will put him on null

If your readslist consists of gut feels, then you should read the game from the very beginning again.

Pentaposting for 333 get because apparently memerinos are acceptable in this game now (thanks Ace).

Vote Count 1.06


[3] Ace Timing -- Sakura, Zexion, Static Noise Bird
[1] Hika -- Drezi
[1] Navizel -- sLaiNi
[1] sLaiNi -- Navizel
[1] Static Noise Bird -- Ace Timing
[1] Zexion[/color] -- Hika
[0] -[Jess]- --
[0] Drezi --
[0] Sakura --



[0] No Lynch -
[b]Not Voting -- -[Jess]-
With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

Deadline is July 3 at 3:30PM CST (GMT-6).

I actually think SNB's reaction seems more like pissed off town from Ace's misrepresentation. Just much like the way Zexion keeps reacting to Slaini bringing up the scumtell thing.

@Jess: Are you planning on spending the whole DP not voting?

My reads have changed from last time.
Town: SNB, Drezi, Maaybe Zexion.
Scum: Ace, Maaaybe Slaini, Maaybe Hika.
Don't care: Navizel.
Where the fuck are they and why arent they voting: Jess.

I specifically dont like how Ace tried to buy townpoints when saying "HEY GUYS LOOK HOW IM BEING RECKLESS INSTEAD OF CAREFUL, SCUM DOESNT DO THIS!"
Can't even explain his scumread on me either.

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Pentaposting for 333 get because apparently memerinos are acceptable in this game now (thanks Ace).

Stop. Please no more memes. Keep your "keks & lels" to other sites. Let me eat my doritos and drink my Montain Dew in peace.

------------------------------

Sakura wrote:

I actually think SNB's reaction seems more like pissed off town from Ace's misrepresentation. Just much like the way Zexion keeps reacting to Slaini bringing up the scumtell thing.

I talked about the "scumslip" yet again to make my stance clear to that thing. Slaini brought it up, for me there's not much more else to say.

AFAIK al reads should be based on something. Ace pulling them out of nowhere and not explaining them makes me really weary of him, Ace being the player with the least interactions in the game and just posting names without how he reached that conclusion reading... yeah, you get the picture. So I'm keeping my vote on him for the time being.

My reads so far:
Town-ish: Drezi, SNB (I would still like to see what Ace says about SNB's reply)
Null: Sakura (your theories have been too wild and that Navi claim you trust so much...), Slaini
Scum-ish: Hika, Ace, Navizel (Can't trust him until we make that claim clear).
I don't even: Jess (you should all understand why)

Right now I'm about to fall asleep over the PC. Will post a little more tomorrow.

Zexion wrote:

Scum-ish: Hika, Ace, Navizel (Can't trust him until we make that claim clear).

So are you willing to vote for me because you're scumreading me even though I claimed JK?

I love this game

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Excuse me, exactly when did I EVER say that you and Slaini were a scumteam?

you quoted everything I said, right before saying that the scum team might be different from before. If that isn't accusatory, I honestly don't know what is.
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If anyone here is making a paranoiac analysis, retaliation more like, it's you. I made a read towards you, and you just immediately accuse me of being scum. Sure I was afk for the beginning stages of the game, but that's not suspicious. And what on earth made Slaini the most suspicious person here except for me? Because he made a "scumslip" which can easily be dismissed as a language issue? You're just making accusations for the pure sake of directing attention away from yourself and towards me, which mind you is a very scummy move.

Fucking quotes

Sakura wrote:

@Jess: Are you planning on spending the whole DP not voting?

No.

And I forgot vote on yesterday

According to my read,

vote: Ace Timing

Static Noise Bird wrote:

If your readslist consists of gut feels, then you should read the game from the very beginning again.

Ok,I will

Will answers Navi's question later,going to reset my thoughts and lunch

Less than 15 meaningful posts and I've got 4 votes. I almost feel proud.

Sakura wrote:

Ace Timing wrote:

I picked Slaini simply because he was suspected of a scumslip earler on, and I was already kind of inclined to believe he was town. Kek.

>Someone scumslips
>HE MUST BE TOWN!

12/10 Logic right there.

However, it's not faulty logic, from experience scumslips come more often from town than from scum, i don't get how a supposed newbie would pick up on something like that however.

Can you explain this Ace?

I may have worded it oddly, but his scumslip and me thinking that he is town are completely unrelated. I picked him because he was under scrutiny, and it was a bonus that I had my suspicions on him actually being scum. I didn't think he was town because he scum slipped. I'm not some secret experienced player who's been playing for years. I'm pretty young, I wasn't even allowed on the internet until a few years ago. There's no way for me to build up a ton of experience on something so obscure as scumslip tendencies in a game I thought was restricted to cards until 2 weeks ago.

Ace Timing wrote:

and me thinking that he is town

Ace Timing wrote:

and it was a bonus that I had my suspicions on him actually being scum.

?

Don't really understand the confusion here...

So which one is it? Did you think he was town or scum?..

Was leaning towards town, but then I was sure after he responded to my post.

I think you should explain your trajectory on that read a lil bit better, because i still don't see anything natural there.
It's like you jumped from scum to town because ( ? )

Also, what I'm about to type right now is aimed more at Zexion, this was not an "I'm developing a plan to find out all the scum so leave me alone" deal. This was to determine one scum. The post I made can't catch more than one. And I thought it out in about 30 seconds, so it's not still going. I'll answer any question anyone else wants me to if you can't figure it out from what I already posted.

Sakura wrote:

I think you should explain your trajectory on that read a lil bit better, because i still don't see anything natural there.
It's like you jumped from scum to town because ( ? )

He responded to my post with curiosity. He didn't suspect me, or try to find fault in my read. He just wanted to know why he was picked as Town while everyone else was null. Everyone else was either "Whatthefuckbro.png" or "He's suspicious".

Of course i can't figure it out.
Your post says that you initially scumread Slaini, then he scumslipped, then you townread him... but it wasnt because he scumslipped, then you made your reaction test or w/e and you townread him more.

There's something missing here, and i bet you can tell what is...

Ace Timing wrote:

Sakura wrote:

I think you should explain your trajectory on that read a lil bit better, because i still don't see anything natural there.
It's like you jumped from scum to town because ( ? )

He responded to my post with curiosity. He didn't suspect me, or try to find fault in my read. He just wanted to know why he was picked as Town while everyone else was null. Everyone else was either "Whatthefuckbro.png" or "He's suspicious".

Isn't that the same thing i did... except i labeled you as suspicious because the 2 people you had voted were nowhere to be seen on it, so i figured it was a fake reads list.

Bah screw it, im going to sleep, don't wanna sit here all night refreshing every minute to see if ace replied.

Ah I re-read my post and it does look confusing looking from a different point of view. I can't read it like you would, and because it's text you can't really grasp my meaning in some sentences. I'll clear it up, I thought Slaini was town and that never changed. I worded that sentenced in my post oddly, so it comes off as if I initially scum-read him. I didn't. everything before that read was pure either RVS, or not very well thought out, prime example being, my vote on Zexion. I thought he was dodging questions. So I voted. I never put actual thought into the game until my "read". Hope that clears up any misunderstanding.

I think Ace shouldn't be the lynch here, vote Hika instead.

Discuss.

Should the mod probe him?

Hika is a she. She has some RL issues I think, but I'm pretty intent on getting her lynched based on what she's already posted, everything else feels like the typical D1 town mislynch buildup.

What is a probe?

I am bit confused about your post

Btw,I am asking Ace

Probe is a prod. Read rule 3.2 for more information.

Going to start reading Hika again finally.

Unvote for now.

Oh, I fucked up and meant to put prod. Didn't notice till now.

I still can't see what's the fuzz about Hika.

Anyway, we have 6 or so days left till deadline, I don't think we should rush a lynch.

Still, not convinced.

Ace Timing wrote:

I may have worded it oddly, but his scumslip and me thinking that he is town are completely unrelated. I picked him because he was under scrutiny, and it was a bonus that I had my suspicions on him actually being scum. I didn't think he was town because he scum slipped. I'm not some secret experienced player who's been playing for years. I'm pretty young, I wasn't even allowed on the internet until a few years ago. There's no way for me to build up a ton of experience on something so obscure as scumslip tendencies in a game I thought was restricted to cards until 2 weeks ago.

How the fuck do you screw something like that up, like you even use words like supicions and scum, How the fuck do you make that of actually having a townread... that's just... too fricken impossible.

It looks to me more like it's scum caught in a lie.
Bonus because this happened during real time discussion.

He did say later that he both worded that post badly and did reckless things before those posts, possibly referring to his late RVS and such. Sure, it could be a blatant lie, but eh, I'll just not get overly suspicious over that right now.

Also good job guys. I was out in the meatworld for over 7 hours and all I see are two posts by Sakura. Keep it up, you're the real MVPs.

I'm probably just going to sleep in a moment and lose my shit if there's nothing new after I wake up.

Sakura wrote:

Ace Timing wrote:

I may have worded it oddly, but his scumslip and me thinking that he is town are completely unrelated. I picked him because he was under scrutiny, and it was a bonus that I had my suspicions on him actually being scum. I didn't think he was town because he scum slipped. I'm not some secret experienced player who's been playing for years. I'm pretty young, I wasn't even allowed on the internet until a few years ago. There's no way for me to build up a ton of experience on something so obscure as scumslip tendencies in a game I thought was restricted to cards until 2 weeks ago.

How the fuck do you screw something like that up, like you even use words like supicions and scum, How the fuck do you make that of actually having a townread... that's just... too fricken impossible.

It looks to me more like it's scum caught in a lie.
Bonus because this happened during real time discussion.

K. In this sentence, suspicious means doubtful. Despite what everyone else was saying I was doubtful of him being scum. That's how the sentence should be interpreted.

Yeah, no.

Wordplay wont get past me.

Sakura wrote:

from experience scumslips come more often from town than from scum

This is how every town mislynch goes down, someone messes up something or says something dubious and everyone goes "omg must be scum" and xy town something has been lynched.

Why would scum be more likely to say he had suspicions of Slaini actually being scum over doubts. I mean if he slipped he knew someone was town, then sure it could be a scumslip because he forgot town!he shouldn't know that but this?

So yeah this aspect doesn't really worry me.

What DOES makes me wary is how he said:

Ace Timing wrote:

Do scum always act irrational and unpredictably? No. Do you know why? Because of the nature of their win condition. Scum are the ones who play the game the most carefully, because they are the one's most in danger. So please guys don't just go "hurr durr read didn't make sense he's scum".

Because I don't really see scum intentions, and I think his whole explanation checks out and his plan is something a new town player would be more likely to come up with, even if I don't think it had been too effective with regards to the actual conclusions he tried to draw. But as Sakura said him emphasizing his idea of scum/town meta in his defense nullifies this read I'd have if it wasn't for that quote.

But well that still only means it's nullish to me, and I think we can get a better lynch than that.

nullish with wifom, so technically it's worse but still.

I could go over for Hika too tbh, it's just that at the rate this is going she's gonna be replaced since she never declared V/LA?

The thing with Ace is that he can't explain his Scum -> Town shift. So he's trying to play with words to make it look like he was townreading him the entire time.

My theory of scum motivation for that slip is that since he knows Slaini's town he decided to stay off and townread him for town cred so he can't explain his scum > town shift.

However he made that explanation after he was the one being wagoned and the wagon on Slaini had died, it's the only thing making me doubtful right now.

But I don't think there was a scumread from him on slaini apart from that "badly worded" sentence which only happeend now while he explained his stuff.

I just dont get why would he make that mistake, unless he'd been self-conscious of something. And i still don't get why he got a townread on Slaini out of all that happened, I mean, most of the way he plays as if it was someone with experience OR knowledge of alignments.

Am i just being paranoid?

Maybe. I've never played this game online, but I have in real life. And when I played, it was with ~25 people, so I'm not really used to 9 players. My read on Slaini was less of a townread and more I didn't understand why he was labeled scum. I don't think the way I play is experienced, but, then again this is my first mafia game online. I wouldn't know ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

So Ace is just being a huge piece of WIFOM. Okay..

Navizel wrote:

So Ace is just being a huge piece of WIFOM. Okay..

I like that movie, so everything Daijoubu

Most of the things you mention are things i have picked up on experience, normally i get paranoid of newbies that mention such things because there's no way someone would know such things without experience or alignment knowledge.

But if the way people suspected Slaini made you townread him, why didn't you mention anything about Navi who was also heavily suspected as well?

Oh, I didn't have any doubts about Navi, and I didn't really bother to read his ISO.

Ace Timing wrote:

Oh, I didn't have any doubts about Navi, and I didn't really bother to read his ISO.

I can tell you didnt read his ISO, otherwise you'd have read this:

Navizel wrote:

Heck, I could even claim right now that I am a jailkeeper.

But that's not what I was asking, try again.

I guess the easiest answer to why I didn't mention anything about Navi is that I really didn't care. I only needed one person to put on the list, so I picked one and ignored the rest. That's why everyone else is null. They didn't really matter.

I am not talking about your initial readslist, im talking about your 2nd one.

You said you randomly picked Slaini and put him as town due to how he was attacked, and after the reactions you strengthened that read.
But Navizel was also attacked heavily, yet you put Navi as null scum (Claims aside, this read doesnt make any sense).

Also if you arent transparent with your thoughts how would you have expected me to pick up on stuff like you didn't ISO anyone else, or the fact that you haven't read anything until then.

Like srsly, im still at a big question mark on where your thought process is... and that isn't good.

You still seem to think that I thought that Slaini was town BECAUSE of the fact that he was being suspected. I didn't think that those were justified, so I used him. On the other hand, I didn't read Navi's posts, so I don;t know why he was suspected and quite frankly I didn't need to. I did explain why I put him as null-scum

Same reason, I looked at your reactions to my read. You didn't really respond to it at all. You just repeated what was already mentioned and how it didn't mesh well with you. You had very little involvement, which I took as suspicious, but could not use as evidence to you being scum, so therefore I just left you as null-scum.

The only one I didn't explain is yours.