Sakura wrote:

Went through the ISO and found this:

Navizel wrote:

@Sakura - I agree with your thoughts on Drezi. One for one in day one seems outright stupid. Though maybe you two are scum and then since you dissolved the idea, people won't think you're scum in case Drezi died and flipped scum. Idk, I'm being paranoid too

Bold is mine.
Back then i was interaction with Zexion so i didn't pay it much mind, but now that you mention it, this post can clearly show what im talking about, specially in the bold.

Either way im a person that doesn't like leaving early posts without scrutinization, but i do agree with you, why the heck did Navi agree with my possibly moon logic as people seem to call it nowadays >.>

Wait what, I thought the bolded line was my thought.

Sakura wrote:

Also i just realized that post i quoted from Navi's uncommital, yet he was accusing Zexion of the same thing...

What do you mean by this?

sLaiNi wrote:

@Hika
Of course I care if someone votes for me (which is part of the game i guess), but as strange as it sounds, I feel kind of safe as I know for myself, that I am town (which you can't know and which could also be lied).
That I called my own excusion less convincingly might be, because I felt cornered and believed, that you would not believe me anyway.

"pls believe me that I am town." Like you said, your claim could be a lie. Also, everyone could say that. Heck, I could even claim right now that I am a jailkeeper.

Zexion wrote:

Vote: Navizel

I got tired of waiting.

this vote really sucks. You even mentioned that we should abstain from voting randomly. Your vote isn't random but it's being impatient and it's not townlike.

P.S I won't be here during afternoon cause of my grad. I'll probably be back by night.

Sakura wrote:

Also i think Navi's at L-1 now, might be L-2, but i'll say L-1 just to be safe. Be careful with the next vote.

Hmmm. I don't get the be careful part. You mentioned that I should be lynched with fire because I am scum right? If you're so sure that I am scum why would they be careful on voting a scum?

Zexion wrote:

Want me to unvote?

Why would you ask someone if you should unvote

SNB wrote:

Cannot nullify a valid suspicion with a reason that can't be proven, and that's the funny part, you know.

Timezones?

Zexion wrote:

Sakura wrote:

Why is Hika null and why did you feel the need to put that "I'm about to fall to null", it feels like you're trying to scare me or smth.

Zexion wrote:

To be honest, I don't really feel Hika being scum. Maybe its just their playstyle that bothers me and what brought up the entire discussion. (i.e. not really submiting your ideas). A total null for now.

Because you accuse me of "not even scumhunting" and yet you're totally OK at Hika keeping ideas to themselves and Jess and Slaini not saying anything useful. That attitude sounds pretty inconsistent. You wanted my reads, if you feel "scared" by looking at them, its your fault , but yeah, I should not have put that "you're" there.

It feels like you want to shift the attention to others so the heat won't be on you.

Unvote
For now coz i just read Navi's claim.

Yaaaaaaaaa, he is still null for me.
Sakura, how do you feel about him rn.

Hika wrote:

Yaaaaaaaaa, he is still null for me.
Sakura, how do you feel about him rn.

I haven't had time to re-read due to ~Reasons~
And im gonna be busy tonight.
But before i decided to reset i was scumreading him, and i unvoted because of a claim and i still don't know if i'll believe it or not, but i don't want anything hasty. I'll re-read most likely tomorrow morning.

Unless you were talking about Zexion but i thought you were scumreading him.

No, Zexion is still null-scum.

okay, will wait for you to post.

Null as fuck
Jess and Ace Timing

Null
Hika
Drezi
SNB

Null-scum
Slaini - Yeah, sure his townclaim on me might've been a language error but I can't be too safe and just ignore it and his latest post.
Zexion

Null-town
Sakura

ok, well let me do this.

Vote: Zexion

hahhahaah

Okay, I'm too tired right now. I'm going to sleep early. I was just waiting for my stomach to die down because I ate too much. Please no stupid lolhammer while I'm resting.

I'll be sure to hunt the scum off your wagon if that becomes the case here.

I kinda like Navi's post. Just one thing I need to question:

Navizel wrote:

Heck, I could even claim right now that I am a jailkeeper.

So, are you claiming? You could claim, you didn't say you did. Need to be specific, can't take risks.

Hika wrote:

SNB, may I have your reads please? You are null to me.

Town
Drezi
Sakura

Null-town
You
Navi (for now)

I need a better read on the others (which is partially impossible for obvious reasons), so for now I have to assume the scumteam is among them. I did mention Zexion being "null-town at most" previously, but that's one person I need to look through again (judging by the posts from you guys).

Ok, well I'm townreading Sakura now.

As for Hika, thing is she seems to have formed a solid townread based on Sakura's early posts, which I found the weakest, and I liked Zexion's early replies, even though his opposing stance was too harsh. Obviously we can and should try to make the most out of what's been posted, but Sakura's posts WERE really far fetched and felt forced to me.

Hika wrote:

At the time being, she [Sakura] is confirmed town for me also.

I mean the use of words here, even if not to be taken literally, it feels unnatural to choose such strong wording, especially given what it's based on.

02:55 UTC

Hika wrote:

Until you [Zexion] post a little more, I will just label you as null-leaning scum. It's not bad, I won't put my vote on you because I don't think you're scummy..

03:58 UTC

Hika wrote:

ok, well let me do this.

Vote: Zexion

hahhahaah

And Zexion hasn't been posted anything between, Navi did though and he put Zexion as Null-scum and recieved an unvote.

Unvote
Vote: Hika

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Navizel wrote:

Heck, I could even claim right now that I am a jailkeeper.

So, are you claiming? You could claim, you didn't say you did. Need to be specific, can't take risks.

I think that's up for you to decide. Even if it is, would you believe it?

Im here, im just gonna start re-reading however, overnight i realized that...
About Navi i dont even need to care, whether i townread or scumread him right now is irrelevant as well as whehter i believe the claim or not, because if it's true scum will kill him anyway (JK's pretty dangerous to leave around just by mere statistical chance of NK being blocked), so I'm just gonna take that information in mind when i re-read.

In adition if Navi's lying we will know tomorrow.
Assuming Navi lives over the night, if he's lying any power role that can counterclaim Navi should wait until tomorrow to do so because:
1) If Navi's a VT lying he's trying to draw the night kill, counterclaiming him right now would screw that up, in adition we would get a mislynch due to a CC, and give information to scum.
2) If Navi's Scum lying then he can be lynched tomorrow if there are any CCs.

Roles that can CC Navi: Cop, Doc, Tracker, JK.

Take that in mind and avoid CCing today.

Please, Please, PLEASE dont CC today just in case (Also all you'd do is attract a night kill and do nothing with your role).

Ok NOW im gonna re-read

I don't care Drezi, that CANNOT be my concern, at least not now.

Well, Matrix6 setup is in the front page but I'll just say it again here just in case. http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Matrix6
One row/column would be picked for the setup e.g. a game that has chosen column A would have Town JK + Mafia RB + 1-shot BP Town + 1 Mafia Goon + 5 VT
If my claim is true, either column A or Row 1 would be the possible setup for this game.
A roleblocker might exist and mafia would probably block me or kill me at night if ever I survived D1.
I might also block a VT tonight. I might also block a mafia but the other might've submitted the nightkill instead.

But in any case, I'm going to vote whoever CC with a PR

I am back

Zexion wrote:

-[Jess]- wrote:

this is self-contradictory.

SNB already said this but let me "contribute" a bit: why is this self-contradictory? Do you have any futher thoughts about Slaini being scum because of this contradiction?

1.Because his sixth and seventh post makes me think he is self-contradictory.

2.No,he has not enough posts and he seen to be contributing

So,

unvote

I cant think more now,will re-read all the post again and making some note to help me think

@Zexion: I don't understand why you unvoted me here: p/4279800 since you could've kept your vote for pressure, if you had a townread on me or smth, then why not move your vote to Navizel at that point considering you also had issues with what he was doing.

@Jess: This post: p/4280276 indicates you read the debate between me and Zexion (and i guess Navi) why didn't you comment on anything that happened and why did you vote Slaini when there was plenty other info to go on?

p/4280488 This post makes me uneasy, lurker warning, has Slaini done anything other than his supposed scumslip that was proved to be... not an actual scumslip but translation error afterwards?

@Slaini: What the heck is with the choice of wording here: p/4280552 It's like "Oh hey im voting you, but you can just take it as a pat on the back!" also p/4280877 Jess never posted (or at least anything significant) between these 2 votes, so what was the point of your vote?, ALSO: You voted "Navi" for replying heh to my vote, what did that make you think of Jess replying ":^) "to your vote

p/4281024 I have a thing with people justifying their actions with "I'm newbie" this is a newbie game, of course there's going to be newbies, you don't need to justify being a newbie, however i hate it when ppl use that fact to justify stuff they do, if you have questions about the game ask or look in the mafiascum wiki, but dont try to justify your actions because "Oh sorry im just newbie", I've already had scum do that to me twice in the past. (Also this is the famous scumslip post lol).

A couple notes about Slaini, seems like people focused too much on Slaini's scumslip than his actual body of work (which is also bad).

p/4281064 Actually looking over this, SNB might be town if Slaini's town, he had open road to join the wagon and didn't.

@Jess: p/4281073 So any original thoughts at all?

p/4281118 I still hold Hika that unlike everyone else, she spotted a scumslip and voted it immediately, so her actions match her words.

On the subject of Zexion: p/4281118 This post is really odd Doesn't want to vote Navi because possible L-1, yet Navi wasn't in danger of L-1 Back then, then votes Navi later when Navi's at L-2. And the only thing he ever says to Slaini is "Hi welcome, go here to learn how to play" Looking at it from another angle this post only talks about Navi's response to suspicion, who he was already suspecting anyway. Hika's post about him. And Slaini's scumslip. I'm pretty sure there's more stuff to comment on so I don't get why this post didn't comment on anything else.

p/4281227 <- Trying to call out Navizel of Beetlejuicing when he wasn't doing as such.

p/4281253 <- Ignored Navizel's reply to his accusation completely.

@Hika: p/4281268 In fact, it's the total opposite, if people are in RVS, the treshold for what they consider scummy enough to vote is lower, because information's what needed, not abstaining from voting which gives 0 information and causes 0 reactions.

p/4281319 This (Slaini's, osu's being weird) and the next post are really awkward. And of course, Slaini completely ignoring Navi who he's scumreading... AGAIN.

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Ah fuck this! i give up, I keep getting lazy, most of the stuff im noticing is the same stuff i had noticed before, the only new stuff i noticed is about Slaini.

I get what Drezi says about Hika, although would you mind explaining your townread of me please, i don't get how i could've done anything that could've caused said townread. I do agree that my early posts were weak, but that's because i was mostly teaching + playing + interacting with Zexion, which ended up in them coming up with a lot of words, and i also agree that anyone townreading me on my early posts should be scrutinized.

In fact... Anyone townreading me, please explain why, because i don't think i've done anything near enough to warrant such a strong townread, most of the stuff i've said is null to me.

PEdit: Oh yeah... navizel's right i forgot that scum roleblocker could just block him... derp. I blame me just waking up when i wrote that XD

Either way, we're not lynching Navizel today, i want to make that clear.

Vote: Slaini
Not related to the scumslip, read my previous wall to find out why.

-[Jess]- wrote:

and making some note to help me think

Yeah keeping notes on a spreadsheet or notepad can help a lot.
Also what part of Slaini has been "contributing"?

Don't assume without asking. Sakura doesn't have my town read because of the dialogue earlier on, but based off of the way she is picking up scum, I can completely agree with that. Confirmed doesn't apply for everyone, it only applies it onto my list. On a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being completely town, 5 being completely null and 10 being completely scummy, I'd put Sakura at about a 3. Drezi, based on your reaction to my vote, I can bump you up to a 2. That is what I wanted.

Fishing for scum* as I should have said rather than picking up scum that sounds weird

Hika wrote:

Hi guys! Finally back home from work o/
Also Zexion, any questions for me? Just wondering.

Static Noise Bird wrote:

@Hika, what is your exact stance on Zexion

My stance at the moment? Zexion is null-leaning scum, but as I've mentioned before, I am not familiar with his play style etcetcetc because he plays as if he doesn't know a lot. But that's okay. Him being novice is what's keeping him null.

*waits for OMGUS*

Zexion wrote:

To be honest, I don't really feel Hika being scum. Maybe its just their playstyle that bothers me and what brought up the entire discussion. (i.e. not really submiting your ideas). A total null for now.

Well do you have any specific questions? Be very specific so I can satisfy your curiosity.

Zexion wrote:

The reason why I asked the unvote was because of Drezi's "no oops later" that I thought was directed towards me, then I realized it was a general warning to everyone about the hammer vote being next. I am pretty surprised you think Hika's points are good, and even more that those help you scumreading me, most of them were misunderstandings from both parts, hardly something to tell I am scum.

Of course you won't like anything I say, it is going against your knowledge about your role. Until you post a little more, I will just label you as null-leaning scum. It's not bad, I won't put my vote on you because I don't think you're scummy, but so far, Navi does not receive my vote just yet until I see more play from him. I say give it 24-48 hours.

ok, my opinion still stands.

SNB, may I have your reads please? You are null to me.

Fine by me, tho honestly I don't really mind since I think your game style is being provocative, like if you're trying for me to get angry and then put all the suspicion on me. Glad you waited on me posting before voting me.

I may have some questions but I'll keep them until later. Does that sound familiar?

Hika wrote:

I'll be sure to hunt the scum off your wagon if that becomes the case here.

So you're confirming Navizel as town here? Or atleast it shows you do care about him yet you don't know if he's lying or not. Besides the way you worded it becomes highly convenient for you to discard a connection between you both in case he flips scum. But then again you both on the same team... unlikely.

Hika wrote:

I don't care Drezi, that CANNOT be my concern, at least not now.

WTF, you cannot concern yourself about a vote coming towards you? How you can evade an indirect question this way?

Hika wrote:

Don't assume without asking. Sakura doesn't have my town read because of the dialogue earlier on, but based off of the way she is picking up scum, I can completely agree with that. Confirmed doesn't apply for everyone, it only applies it onto my list. On a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being completely town, 5 being completely null and 10 being completely scummy, I'd put Sakura at about a 3. Drezi, based on your reaction to my vote, I can bump you up to a 2. That is what I wanted.

So you did evade that question and made a hasty vote (no other word could describe it better) just to reaction test Drezi? Yeah right, now every move that seems suspicious for other people I'll call it a reaction test.

Navizel wrote:

Zexion wrote:

Vote: Navizel

I got tired of waiting.

this vote really sucks. You even mentioned that we should abstain from voting randomly. Your vote isn't random but it's being impatient and it's not townlike.

P.S I won't be here during afternoon cause of my grad. I'll probably be back by night.

Sakura wrote:

Also i think Navi's at L-1 now, might be L-2, but i'll say L-1 just to be safe. Be careful with the next vote.

Hmmm. I don't get the be careful part. You mentioned that I should be lynched with fire because I am scum right? If you're so sure that I am scum why would they be careful on voting a scum?

Zexion wrote:

Want me to unvote?

Why would you ask someone if you should unvote

I did read your post about the graduation (congratz btw) my reason to vote you here was not actually for the time, but for what Sakura said about you (acussing me of something then doing it yourself), that's what made me vote.

I already explained the second thing, Drezi "no oops" and stuff.

Navizel wrote:

It feels like you want to shift the attention to others so the heat won't be on you.

Sounds really familiar. Interesting you would make that connection, since I was justifying my surprise for Sakura's agreeing at Hika. Heat wasn't "on me" when I started saying this, you know.

Also your claim is suspicious. At first I payed it no attention because you were using, IMO, as an example for Slaini but yet it can be true. That enough warrants a day or more. I have many ideas about this, but they will have to wait until tomorrow.

Unvote

Sakura wrote:

@Zexion: I don't understand why you unvoted me here: p/4279800 since you could've kept your vote for pressure, if you had a townread on me or smth, then why not move your vote to Navizel at that point considering you also had issues with what he was doing.

We had reached a conclusion over the initial problem, I was preparing to shift my vote to someone else but no one apeared at that moment.

Sakura wrote:

On the subject of Zexion: p/4281118 This post is really odd Doesn't want to vote Navi because possible L-1, yet Navi wasn't in danger of L-1 Back then, then votes Navi later when Navi's at L-2. And the only thing he ever says to Slaini is "Hi welcome, go here to learn how to play" Looking at it from another angle this post only talks about Navi's response to suspicion, who he was already suspecting anyway. Hika's post about him. And Slaini's scumslip. I'm pretty sure there's more stuff to comment on so I don't get why this post didn't comment on anything els

I think you're refering to p/4281219. I'm pretty sure Navi was L-2 at that moment, and wanted to avoid L-1 because... yeah I said it. On the Slaini stuff, I was looking at the possible language mistake (or "bad choice of wording") for a non-native English Speaker. What else do you wanted me to say?

Did you know I voted for you or did you purposely not want to say anything of it?

It seems like im going to HAVE to finish that re-read wont i @_@

@Hika and Zexion since you guys seem to be around: What do you think about what i said about Slaini.

Sakura wrote:

p/4280488 This post makes me uneasy, lurker warning, has Slaini done anything other than his supposed scumslip that was proved to be... not an actual scumslip but translation error afterwards?

Just wanted to make clear, that I want to take a look at how the game rolls before making unuseful contributes. Still, I have to admit, that this might be an excusing for lurking, too.

Sakura wrote:

@Slaini: What the heck is with the choice of wording here: p/4280552 It's like "Oh hey im voting you, but you can just take it as a pat on the back!" also p/4280877 Jess never posted (or at least anything significant) between these 2 votes, so what was the point of your vote?, ALSO: You voted "Navi" for replying heh to my vote, what did that make you think of Jess replying ":^) "to your vote

I just got told (p/4280507) that it is totally okay to vote people randomly in the beginning. That's why I decided to vote someone and I just stated, that I'm not mad, due to her voting me. So it was merely a random vote, which I didn't want to have any special background.
That ":^)" was just like an "Yes, I know, it's okay" for me. At that point I read through all posts and decided, that I think Navi is more suspicious, so that I'd rather vote him instead, which I did afterwards. So my unvote had nothing to do with Jess doing something, but instead with Navi doing something, in this case avoiding conversation.

Sakura wrote:

p/4281024 I have a thing with people justifying their actions with "I'm newbie" this is a newbie game, of course there's going to be newbies, you don't need to justify being a newbie, however i hate it when ppl use that fact to justify stuff they do, if you have questions about the game ask or look in the mafiascum wiki, but dont try to justify your actions because "Oh sorry im just newbie", I've already had scum do that to me twice in the past. (Also this is the famous scumslip post lol).

I'm sorry if I upset you in any way. I did not mean to. I won't use this in any way anymore o.O

Sakura wrote:

p/4281227 <- Trying to call out Navizel of Beetlejuicing when he wasn't doing as such.

Could you explain, what you mean there?

Sakura wrote:

p/4281253 <- Ignored Navizel's reply to his accusation completely.

Indeed, I did ignore it, rather because I knew, at this point, that he is right with what he said. When you posted that his answer to that is no excusion, I felt confirmed in my accusation. So I just let you answer to that, instead of me.

Sakura wrote:

p/4281319 This (Slaini's, osu's being weird) and the next post are really awkward. And of course, Slaini completely ignoring Navi who he's scumreading... AGAIN.

Don't know what's awkward about it. Also I don't know which second post you are talking about? You mean the one where he explained that werewolf is the same? I just thought that this is offtopic and not allowed to win the overhand here.




If that's the time to give my thoughts:

Town:
Sakura (The way she is ready to analyze everyone and being ready to shift her vote makes me pretty comfortable about her)

Null-townish:
Zexion (The only thing that does make me think about him is, that he just accepted my potential scumslip)
SNB (Can't explain it that much, it's just a feel there )
Null:
-[Jess]-
AceTiming

Null-scummish:
Hika (The way you just voted Zexion for scum, while he didn't give any reasoning for it makes me doubt )

Pretty Scummish:
Navizel ( Though you might've been right about yourself not having time to post (Congratz for Exams ) it still bothers me )

@Sakura, I keep your "don't vote Navizel" in mind, but I'll let my vote stay like this, until I find someone who seems to be even scummier

I'm just gonna explain beetlejuicing since im having lunch soon:

Beetlejuice tell, well if you ever watched Beetlejuice you'd get the picture, is basically when a player appears as soon as he's getting mentioned (call his name 3 times ) Either way, you're accusing Navizel of only appearing when you attacked him, which is similar to what i mentioned, but this would only be true if Navizel had been gone for a while, which wasn't true.

I'll be back after lunch.

place holder for now, don't feel like mafia today.

Sakura wrote:

I'm just gonna explain beetlejuicing since im having lunch soon:

Beetlejuice tell, well if you ever watched Beetlejuice you'd get the picture, is basically when a player appears as soon as he's getting mentioned (call his name 3 times ) Either way, you're accusing Navizel of only appearing when you attacked him, which is similar to what i mentioned, but this would only be true if Navizel had been gone for a while, which wasn't true.

I'll be back after lunch.

Ah thanks for explaining, now I understand it.


It's more that I felt like he wasn't replying to your accusions on him (except that "heh"), but as soon as I voted for him, he started accusing me, despite you and Drezi have voted for him. The whole time he didn't give any statement on you two's accusations (I don't think he did until now[?]).

Or did you mean something different?

sLaiNi wrote:

Just wanted to make clear, that I want to take a look at how the game rolls before making unuseful contributes. Still, I have to admit, that this might be an excusing for lurking, too.

hmmm

sLaiNi wrote:

I just got told (p/4280507) that it is totally okay to vote people randomly in the beginning. That's why I decided to vote someone and I just stated, that I'm not mad, due to her voting me. So it was merely a random vote, which I didn't want to have any special background.
That ":^)" was just like an "Yes, I know, it's okay" for me. At that point I read through all posts and decided, that I think Navi is more suspicious, so that I'd rather vote him instead, which I did afterwards. So my unvote had nothing to do with Jess doing something, but instead with Navi doing something, in this case avoiding conversation.

If anything this explanation just makes it worse, what's the point of voting someone if they shouldn't feel threatened by your vote?

sLaiNi wrote:

I'm sorry if I upset you in any way. I did not mean to. I won't use this in any way anymore o.O

You didn't upset me, but it is a scum tactic i'm aware of and i'm stating that i won't be taken by any "Sorry im just newbie i dont know what im doing" or similar excuses.

sLaiNi wrote:

Indeed, I did ignore it, rather because I knew, at this point, that he is right with what he said. When you posted that his answer to that is no excusion, I felt confirmed in my accusation. So I just let you answer to that, instead of me.

Wait what?

sLaiNi wrote:

Don't know what's awkward about it. Also I don't know which second post you are talking about? You mean the one where he explained that werewolf is the same? I just thought that this is offtopic and not allowed to win the overhand here.

It feels like you're more concerned with how people look at you than actually finding scum.


If that's the time to give my thoughts:

sLaiNi wrote:

Town:
Sakura (The way she is ready to analyze everyone and being ready to shift her vote makes me pretty comfortable about her)

I can agree with the former being town, but how did you get that feeling from my posts? as for the 2nd, how is that a reason to townread me? Even disregarding the meta that i shift votes a lot (which you wouldn't have any way of knowing), people normally tend to see vote hopping as scummy.

sLaiNi wrote:

Null-townish:
Zexion (The only thing that does make me think about him is, that he just accepted my potential scumslip)

What do you mean by "just accepted".

sLaiNi wrote:

SNB (Can't explain it that much, it's just a feel there )

Any post in particular that gave you such a feel?

sLaiNi wrote:

Null-scummish:
Hika (The way you just voted Zexion for scum, while he didn't give any reasoning for it makes me doubt )

Are you just sheeping Drezi's reasoning who seems to be absent from your reads list for some reason.

sLaiNi wrote:

Pretty Scummish:
Navizel ( Though you might've been right about yourself not having time to post (Congratz for Exams ) it still bothers me )

Did you read my post about Navizel's claim

sLaiNi wrote:

@Sakura, I keep your "don't vote Navizel" in mind, but I'll let my vote stay like this, until I find someone who seems to be even scummier

Why?, Why not use your vote TO find someone that's scummier? You have Hika on Null-Scum, yet you're keeping your vote on a claimed PR?

sLaiNi wrote:

Ah thanks for explaining, now I understand it.


It's more that I felt like he wasn't replying to your accusions on him (except that "heh"), but as soon as I voted for him, he started accusing me, despite you and Drezi have voted for him. The whole time he didn't give any statement on you two's accusations (I don't think he did until now[?]).

Or did you mean something different?

I can accept this explanation, however i still don't see you actually scumhunting outside of your debate with Navi, and your reasoning for suspecting Hika's similar to what Drezi brought up, so it feels like you could be scum just trying to follow the town.

Hika wrote:

That is what I wanted.

No.

I'm glad you're happy with my reaction but I can't say the same, I think Hika could use some more votes :^)

@Sakura My townread is because I liked what you were doing (like @Zexion, Unvote on Navi), and of course you could do that as scum aswell, but objectively everything one does could be done by scum aswell, so in the end I just have to draw the line somewhere and make up my mind.

@slaini you did not include me on your reads list, any particular reason?

I'm not so sure about Zexion now, what he's saying makes sense but I'd really like him to come forward with stuff himself, he's mainly just replying to stuff directed at him..?

Sakura wrote:

If anything this explanation just makes it worse, what's the point of voting someone if they shouldn't feel threatened by your vote?

To actually vote for them to get lynched? Might not be the smartest way, but I see it'll be better to vote who you aren't sure about.

So as question: Would you say it's smarter to not vote who you think is 100% scum, but instead vote someone who you aren't sure about, yet, to see their reactions?

Sakura wrote:

Wait what?

I accused him of not answering intentionally, which he denied with the reasoning, that he was absent and not online. I realised that this was true, so I gave up on that. But then you said, that this would not be an excuse, as he can't prove it. That's the same thing I was thinking, so I just didn't answer anymore.

Sakura wrote:

It feels like you're more concerned with how people look at you than actually finding scum.

That's so right. That is something I should definitly change. But that has nothing to do with me being scum, but rather with me not wanting to annoy you with bad contributions. What I want to say is, that I am indeed concerned about how people look at me, but depending on my actual person (me, who is playing this game) not the inGame character, which might be a scum and therefor might be an enemy (if you understand what I want to say there).

If that's the time to give my thoughts:

Sakura wrote:

I can agree with the former being town, but how did you get that feeling from my posts? as for the 2nd, how is that a reason to townread me? Even disregarding the meta that i shift votes a lot (which you wouldn't have any way of knowing), people normally tend to see vote hopping as scummy.

You changed your suspected persons alot and there's nearly noone who you haven't analysed now. That's what I am relying on.

Sakura wrote:

What do you mean by "just accepted".

Everyone is sceptical until now about that potential scumslip. It's like he knew for sure that it's impossible for me to be a scum. Still, I remember him writing one time that it "keeps bothering" him.

Sakura wrote:

Any post in particular that gave you such a feel?

Her posts on page 8.

Sakura wrote:

Are you just sheeping Drezi's reasoning who seems to be absent from your reads list for some reason.

Just missed him/her there, sorry thatfor. He/She would be a Null for me.

Sakura wrote:

Did you read my post about Navizel's claim

Hm?

Sakura wrote:

I can accept this explanation, however i still don't see you actually scumhunting outside of your debate with Navi, and your reasoning for suspecting Hika's similar to what Drezi brought up, so it feels like you could be scum just trying to follow the town.

Noone else followed Drezi, instead, everyone else is null-towning Hika. Wouldn't I have gone better with null-towning Hika, too, instead of going with the oppinion of Drezi, whose oppinion isn't the one of the other town members?

Drezi wrote:

Hika wrote:

That is what I wanted.

No.

I'm glad you're happy with my reaction but I can't say the same, I think Hika could use some more votes :^)

@Sakura My townread is because I liked what you were doing (like @Zexion, Unvote on Navi), and of course you could do that as scum aswell, but objectively everything one does could be done by scum aswell, so in the end I just have to draw the line somewhere and make up my mind.

@slaini you did not include me on your reads list, any particular reason?

I'm not so sure about Zexion now, what he's saying makes sense but I'd really like him to come forward with stuff himself, he's mainly just replying to stuff directed at him..?

Answered in the post above. You'd be Null, but after rethinking it (yes rethinking in the past 2 minutes) you are more leaning to townie, to me.

Hika wrote:

Did you know I voted for you or did you purposely not want to say anything of it?

What...? How the hell how I be telling you voted for me hastly if didn't know you voted for me...? This post doesn't make sense at all.

Hika wrote:

place holder for now, don't feel like mafia today.

Kay'.

Drezi wrote:

I'm not so sure about Zexion now, what he's saying makes sense but I'd really like him to come forward with stuff himself, he's mainly just replying to stuff directed at him..?

You sure? I've been directing some questions towards Hika regarding his/her (can someone tell me what to use) attitude, but Hika just seems to be evading whatever questions I make and now Hika is simply not in the mood for mafia. At the time of my last post I was just replying what had been directed to me and stuff. AFAIK, I am doing something.

Vote: Hika

Just as a question. In the Wiki Zexion gave me (Thank you so much for recommending reading there [even though it being in the starting post] it helps alot) there is a hint to use a function to only show the posts of a single person. I guess this was related to their forum. Do osu! - forums have a functionality like that, so I can only view the posts of a single person?

You mean ISOs? CB has them on the first page.

Just here to post something quick. I'll come back later.

Navizel wrote:

You mean ISOs? CB has them on the first page.

Thank you. I overread that, because I didn't know what ISO means at that moment.

late but
/confirm

Vote Static Nosie Bird
reason: stole #8 spot. I wanted that...

Ace Timing wrote:

late but
/confirm

Vote Static Nosie Bird
reason: stole #8 spot. I wanted that...

Welcome back

Ace Timing wrote:

late but
/confirm

Vote Static Nosie Bird
reason: stole #8 spot. I wanted that...

Hi there. Welcome back. RNG is already over but okay since you joined late.
I hope you would read all our discussions so far and give your thoughts about them. Form your reads and contribute to the game.

sLaiNi wrote:

To actually vote for them to get lynched? Might not be the smartest way, but I see it'll be better to vote who you aren't sure about.

So as question: Would you say it's smarter to not vote who you think is 100% scum, but instead vote someone who you aren't sure about, yet, to see their reactions?

I don't even know where to begin pointing out the problems in this text.
First of all, that's not what I said, 2nd of all, that's not what you did.
But ok, let's assume that it's just miscommunication due to different languages and what not, i'm just gonna quote mastin (yes again), one of the people that's made a lot of guides for players here:
Source: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=15932 More specifically part 1: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p2707177

Okay? Should I specify that I have personal problems that restrict me from wanting to play mafia right now?
I don't think I should have to say that.

I'm thinking about looking for a replacement. If not, I'll answer all questions I have received.

sLaiNi wrote:

Null-townish:
Zexion (The only thing that does make me think about him is, that he just accepted my potential scumslip)

sLaiNi wrote:

It's like he knew for sure that it's impossible for me to be a scum. Still, I remember him writing one time that it "keeps bothering" him.

Scum Alert.
Scum Alert.

For one that thinks someone else know their alignment they're putting them as null-town.
Playstyle this game so far of both Slaini and Zexion has been fully reactive and the only person they've both scumhunted is Navizel, who turned out to be a PR.
Theory: Slaini and Zexion are in a scumteam and Zexion's the mastermind. And their designated mislynch was Navizel, who... SURPRISE!, is the person Zexion kept calling my attention to when i was arguing with him early game.

At this point i'd feel comfortable voting for either of the 2.

Sakura wrote:

sLaiNi wrote:

Null-townish:
Zexion (The only thing that does make me think about him is, that he just accepted my potential scumslip)

sLaiNi wrote:

It's like he knew for sure that it's impossible for me to be a scum. Still, I remember him writing one time that it "keeps bothering" him.

Scum Alert.
Scum Alert.

For one that thinks someone else know their alignment they're putting them as null-town.
Playstyle this game so far of both Slaini and Zexion has been fully reactive and the only person they've both scumhunted is Navizel, who turned out to be a PR.
Theory: Slaini and Zexion are in a scumteam and Zexion's the mastermind. And their designated mislynch was Navizel, who... SURPRISE!, is the person Zexion kept calling my attention to when i was arguing with him early game.

At this point i'd feel comfortable voting for either of the 2.

Sakura dear, you're giving me too much credit. Also its a pretty serious accusation that could severly damage town.

First of all, what evil plan could I have crafted? "Pretend you're newb and everything will go okay", "don't scumhunt at all". I mentioned Navizel early in game because you asked me for an active play (can't believe you still think I'm only being reactive).

Besides, what other player could I have talked about in the early game? Let's go back:

SNB: 1 RV Post.
Drezi: 1 Post, the list.
Sakura: Posting a lot
Navizel: Agreeing in every stance with you. (Like 3 posts or so)
Me

So tell me, from which other player could I have scumhunted? Or accused?

What you bolded about Slaini's post is his opinion, and I had nothing to do with that. You're just taking the first thing you can in order to come back to me to paint me as scum, which you have done about... three times now?

Sakura wrote:

who turned out to be a PR.

So you're confirming it just because he did a shady claim? A claim he told us to even interpret as we wished?

Navizel wrote:

Static Noise Bird wrote:

So, are you claiming? You could claim, you didn't say you did. Need to be specific, can't take risks.

I think that's up for you to decide. Even if it is, would you believe it?

Or do you already know what role is he? Looks more like you're desperate to keep him alive.

Hika wrote:

Okay? Should I specify that I have personal problems that restrict me from wanting to play mafia right now?
I don't think I should have to say that.

I'm thinking about looking for a replacement. If not, I'll answer all questions I have received.

Post V/LA then. We can't read your mind and know what's happening in your real life. If there's something wrong that doesn't let you play, just say you can't because IRL Issues and we'll all understand that. Its better that saying "I'm not in the mood of answering questions".

I don't know why you think im accusing YOU of the bolded, but the only players that know the alignment of others are scum (as of right now at least), So Slaini putting you as null town while saying you know for certain he's town is not supposed to raise any flags for me?.

Re: PR. If you're both scum, then that means Navi's town so I assume he's telling the truth (in what world would i know he's a PR or not even if i were scum? it's not like i'm a day rolecop).

Except that's not what you did, i kept arguing you and you kept saying "Why are you not looking at this thing here Navizel's doing" or "Look at what Navizel's doing!" like trying to shift my attention from you onto Navizel (And it worked!). It's not about what other player you could have accused, but about the fact that you kept trying to shift my attention to Navizel's posts.

Actually i just went through your ISO and noticed you only looked at Navizel because I asked you to... I remembered things wrong oops.

Ah well, Slaini's still scum tho.

Navizel wrote:

Static Noise Bird wrote:

So, are you claiming? You could claim, you didn't say you did. Need to be specific, can't take risks.

I think that's up for you to decide. Even if it is, would you believe it?

Zexion wrote:

Or do you already know what role is he? Looks more like you're desperate to keep him alive.

Is that question directed to me or SNB? I feel like it's directed to SNB.

Zexion wrote:

Sakura dear, you're giving me too much credit. Also its a pretty serious accusation that could severly damage town.

First of all, what evil plan could I have crafted? "Pretend you're newb and everything will go okay", "don't scumhunt at all". I mentioned Navizel early in game because you asked me for an active play (can't believe you still think I'm only being reactive).

Besides, what other player could I have talked about in the early game? Let's go back:

SNB: 1 RV Post.
Drezi: 1 Post, the list.
Sakura: Posting a lot
Navizel: Agreeing in every stance with you. (Like 3 posts or so)
Me

So tell me, from which other player could I have scumhunted? Or accused?

I seriously don't like the way you word things here.

On another note, I looked at Slaini's ISO and I'm still doubting his reason for the scumslip. His first reason was he used a subjunctive mood to express his thoughts. He didn't mention the language error until Zexion mentioned it. I'm just not convinced even let's say it's a newbie mistake.

Back from Terminator and sleepworld, checking out things.

sLaiNi wrote:

Sakura wrote:

If anything this explanation just makes it worse, what's the point of voting someone if they shouldn't feel threatened by your vote?

To actually vote for them to get lynched? Might not be the smartest way, but I see it'll be better to vote who you aren't sure about.

So as question: Would you say it's smarter to not vote who you think is 100% scum, but instead vote someone who you aren't sure about, yet, to see their reactions?

Bruh.

Sakura wrote:

Playstyle this game so far of both Slaini and Zexion has been fully reactive and the only person they've both scumhunted is Navizel, who turned out to be a PR.
Theory: Slaini and Zexion are in a scumteam and Zexion's the mastermind. And their designated mislynch was Navizel, who... SURPRISE!, is the person Zexion kept calling my attention to when i was arguing with him early game.

At this point i'd feel comfortable voting for either of the 2.

You asked for reasonings about the townreads on you and the posts like this are exactly the reason. Well reasoned descriptive posts that have potential to turn out true.

Also reflecting the note after my reads' list, this could be what I thought of there, too. Jess seems more like a careful newbie, Ace is someone who I still obviously can't get much of an opinion on, so that would leave the potential scumteam to Slaini and Zexion.

Navizel wrote:

Zexion wrote:

Or do you already know what role is he? Looks more like you're desperate to keep him alive.

Is that question directed to me or SNB? I feel like it's directed to SNB.

It might be directed at me, but I don't know how do I look to be desperate to keep you alive. Zexion looks desperate to rolefish on the other hand. As with Sakura, no, I'm not a day rolecop.

Zexion wrote:

So tell me, from which other player could I have scumhunted? Or accused?

Why try-hard make baseless accusations on anyone? Other than RVS reaction fishing, that is (which yours quite frankly weren't).

Vote: Zexion

I'm rescinding my vote on SNB
unvote

I'm now casting my vote onto Zexion, general deflection and accusing people just because of simply ignoring accusations,

forgot to cast vote kek
vote Zexion

That is L-1 i believe.

Vote Count 1.05


[3] Zexion -- Hika, Static Noise Bird, Ace Timing
[2] Hika -- Drezi, Zexion
[2] sLaiNi -- Navizel, Sakura
[1] Navizel -- sLaiNi
[0] -[Jess]- --
[0] Ace Timing --
[0] Drezi --
[0] Sakura --
[0] Static Noise Bird --


[0] No Lynch -
Not Voting -- -[Jess]-
With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

Deadline is July 3 at 3:30PM CST (GMT-6). This will be in 6.5 days if you view this three hours after it is posted.

Oh L-2, i sux at counting votes when i'm not a mod it seems XP

L-2 then

Its 7:30am and I just got out of bed. I will eat berreakfast and then answer to everything.

Good morning to everyone btw

Navizel wrote:

Navizel wrote:

I think that's up for you to decide. Even if it is, would you believe it?

Zexion wrote:

Or do you already know what role is he? Looks more like you're desperate to keep him alive.

Is that question directed to me or SNB? I feel like it's directed to SNB.

Neither of you. It was directed towards Sakura: her believing so much in Navizel's claim despite how shady it was, I actually agree with SNB in this post.

So yeah SNB I didn't actualy ask you anything. Sorry if that seemed confusing.

SNB wrote:

Zexion wrote:

So tell me, from which other player could I have scumhunted? Or accused?

Why try-hard make baseless accusations on anyone? Other than RVS reaction fishing, that is (which yours quite frankly weren't).

You don't get the idea here. Sakura is saying that I was only directing her attention towards Navizel, but what else could have I done? Obviously I wouldn't make baseless acusations on someone, which is way I could only point stuff at Navizel this early in game. Or at least that's what I tried to tell.

Ace Timing wrote:

I'm rescinding my vote on SNB
unvote

I'm now casting my vote onto Zexion, general deflection and accusing people just because of simply ignoring accusations,

Quality content here.

When I have ever deflected a question?

"Acussing people of simply ignoring acusations". And do you think ignoring acusations is actually something good?

Your vote just proves that you're not even trying to get into the game and you just hop in the current wagon. It's not our fault you arrived late, you know.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

It's pretty late right now so I'm off to sleep, I really hope I don't get lol-lynched because of misunderstandings.

*breakfast
Being on mobile phone

CalignoBot wrote:

[3] Zexion -- Hika, Static Noise Bird, Ace Timing
[2] Hika -- Drezi, Zexion
[2] sLaiNi -- Navizel, Sakura
[1] Navizel -- sLaiNi
[0] -[Jess]- --
[0] Ace Timing --
[0] Drezi --
[0] Sakura --
[0] Static Noise Bird --


[0] No Lynch -
Not Voting -- -[Jess]-
With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

This wagon composition makes me sad.

Zexion
Hika's a gut townread, SNB's just nullish, and Ace is like "wtf did you suddenly appear to vote there?!"
Hika
I mainly dislike the fact Zexion's there, aside from having a gut townread on Hika.

So...
I'm probably horribly wrong on my reads.

I also dislike the fact that after all this i still only have 3 townreads, and one of them is only because "Claimed something that will die tonight, so idc"

When all else fails, let's push a lurker!
Unvote
Vote: Ace
Besides that vote was horrible.

Still not liking Slaini, but Ace's ninja vote just gives me all kinds of bad feelings.

What I don't understand is that you're pushing stuff like this:

Sakura wrote:

[@slaini's RVS]If anything this explanation just makes it worse, what's the point of voting someone if they shouldn't feel threatened by your vote?

Sakura wrote:

and the only person they've both scumhunted is Navizel, who turned out to be a PR.
Theory: Slaini and Zexion are in a scumteam and Zexion's the mastermind. And their designated mislynch was Navizel, who... SURPRISE!, is the person Zexion kept calling my attention to when i was arguing with him early game.

While you seem to completely ignore Hika, and how she game me an almost perfect town score out of NOTHING after I voted her, pulling this "good, good all according to my scumhunting masterplan" why of course, I mean seriously now, it's the most blatant buddying I've seen.

Also

Sakura wrote:

https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/4281118 I still hold Hika that unlike everyone else, she spotted a scumslip and voted it immediately, so her actions match her words.

What the hell, obviously she's going to vote if there's a scumslip, isn't "word's match her actions" it's the most natural thing in this case not a feat to highlight??

As for that said she claimed she wouldn't vote Zexion and would wait for him to post more, and then an hour later just voted him anyway, which looked rather opportunistic to me, given that the Navi wagon just started to fall apart.

So yeah, I don't think your Sliani vote is bad overall, but I'm surprised that you think it's the strongest angle you can push here..

And now when all else fails let's push a lurker? Duh.

Yeah, Drezi that's the point, it's the most natural thing... everyone else was screaming "SCUMSLIP" yet never voted Slaini.
Tbh i haven't read everyone's posts in depth, like Hika's or SNB's, and Hika's posts are quite long and i get tired everytime i try to read them @_@
Can you give me a concise bullet point reasons of why you think she's scum? Something like.

- She's saying this, while actually it happened like this.
- She's doing this, but she said this.
- The way she did this, shows that she's scum, because X.

Short and easy to understand.

Oh wait, you said at the end of your post =_=
I really need to stop replying before i finish reading posts.

Bah, whatever, I hope this is correct.
Unvote
Vote: Hika
Im really not in the mood to analyze stuff right now, since it's 1 am and im too tired.

Sakura wrote:

Yeah, Drezi that's the point, it's the most natural thing... everyone else was screaming "SCUMSLIP" yet never voted Slaini.

If we really wanna hand out town or scumpoints here (which I think is rather weak anyway) then you could say that scum is most desperate to start a wagon with a legit reason, others didn't rush it)

Sakura wrote:

Can you give me a concise bullet point reasons of why you think she's scum? Something like.

- She's saying this, while actually it happened like this.
- She's doing this, but she said this.
- The way she did this, shows that she's scum, because X.

I think I outlined my reasons already? Unless you expect a page long case study day1 to place a vote when it comes to Hika?

I think i'm mostly tired.
I tried to re-read this morning and pretty much got lazy when the Hika vs Zexion debate started, then i was pretty sure Slaini was scum, then after checking the wagons i ended up with way too many reasons to vote almost everyone, and i realized i was going wrong somewhere, so i went with the one that weirded me out the most, which was Ace voting Zexion while parroting SNB, then you come to convince me to re-analyze Hika, and im too tired right now, so i decided to sheep you.

And now i realize that Zexion's also voting Hika..
I don't even know what to do anymore.

Sakura wrote:

Mastin wrote:

It’s well-known knowledge that the average scum ratio is 20-33%. If you think a player is more likely than that to be scum, you vote them.

That's exactly what I did there. Navizel was suspicious to me, so I voted him. So Mastin is rather supporting me, i guess.

[Taking a quick coffee before answering the rest]

Drezi, what's your read on Zexion? I don't remember if you pointed this out earlier or not.

I posted about him, I had him as leaning town before and it's sinking to nullish, but still on the town side if I had to choose I guess?

Current Reads:
Town:
Slaini

Null:
Everyone else.

Ace Timing wrote:

Current Reads:
Town:
Slaini

Null:
Everyone else.

Could you explain why I am town for you?

lold

what makes sliani alone town?

Ace Timing wrote:

Current Reads:
Town:
Slaini

Null:
Everyone else.

So you dont even have a scumread on Zexion?

Sakura wrote:

I don't know why you think im accusing YOU of the bolded, but the only players that know the alignment of others are scum (as of right now at least), So Slaini putting you as null town while saying you know for certain he's town is not supposed to raise any flags for me?.

It's not exactly like that. It's rather that I said, that he acted LIKE he knew for sure that I was town. That was the reason I didn't put him full-town instead.

There are other things on that reads list that dont make sense with your actions and words...

Sakura wrote:

There are other things on that reads list that dont make sense with your actions and words...

Then ask me out ^^

sLaiNi wrote:

Sakura wrote:

There are other things on that reads list that dont make sense with your actions and words...

Then ask me out ^^

Not you, Ace's

sLaiNi wrote:

Then ask me out ^^

I think it should be the other way around.

Jk what you meant is "ask me out" literally in my native language too ^^

I gotta admit, that was the first impression i got when i read that, but then when i saw the quote i noticed he wanted me to ask him about it.
Either way, thing is, i have issues with Ace's read list, so the comment wasn't directed at Slaini.

Drezi wrote:

sLaiNi wrote:

Then ask me out ^^

I think it should be the other way around.

Jk what you meant is "ask me out" literally in my native language too ^^

Ahh I understand now

Yes, in German "Jemanden ausfragen" (to ask someone any question to a specific topic) would be translated to "to ask [fragen] someone [jemanden] out [aus]"

Dunno about Ace, I'm kinda thinking about him as an anomaly still stuck in the RVS stage or something.

I think i should stay off this game until i wake up tomorrow, coz right now i feel like i want to hit someone.
I mean that reads posts was so bad im at a loss for words.
Unvote
Vote: Ace
Back here.
Maybe i'll sheep you again on Hika tomorrow or not, pending on Ace's replies.

Sakura wrote:

I gotta admit, that was the first impression i got when i read that, but then when i saw the quote i noticed he wanted me to ask him about it.
Either way, thing is, i have issues with Ace's read list, so the comment wasn't directed at Slaini.

Exactly, as i thought you were talking about my reads.

But yes, it just is not understandable for Ace to put me as town, despite the fact that the discussion is going the over way around. Also his Vote on Zexion is pretty much just parroting.

It reminds me of my first post. Not something I'd try to make a case over

Sakura wrote:

I think i should stay off this game until i wake up tomorrow, coz right now i feel like i want to hit someone.
I mean that reads posts was so bad im at a loss for words.
Unvote
Vote: Ace
Back here.
Maybe i'll sheep you again on Hika tomorrow or not, pending on Ace's replies.

If you really are going to go to sleep now, I wish you a good night then ^^

Drezi wrote:

It reminds me of my first post. Not something I'd try to make a case over

Yes, he probably didn't read the whole conversation yet. So he's just writing some nonesense so he doesn't get kicked off, I guess.

Ace Timing wrote:

I'm rescinding my vote on SNB
unvote

I'm now casting my vote onto Zexion, general deflection and accusing people just because of simply ignoring accusations,

Ace Timing wrote:

forgot to cast vote kek
vote Zexion

Ace Timing wrote:

Current Reads:
Town:
Slaini

Null:
Everyone else.

I'll just just now put these quotes together, if you can't see it, then i'll explain it tomorrow.

Sakura wrote:

Ace Timing wrote:

I'm rescinding my vote on SNB
unvote

I'm now casting my vote onto Zexion, general deflection and accusing people just because of simply ignoring accusations,

Ace Timing wrote:

forgot to cast vote kek
vote Zexion

Ace Timing wrote:

Current Reads:
Town:
Slaini

Null:
Everyone else.

I'll just just now put these quotes together, if you can't see it, then i'll explain it tomorrow.

Anyone could explain it before it's tomorrow for Sakura? Don't want to wait that long.

Do you mean it looks, like he's scum with me and trying to "save" his scumpartner?

I meant the for the goodnight post, I guess you're being polite but it can be seen as trying to get on Sakura's good side since she scumread you.

Ace Timing is just doing random whatever like we've seen some new people do in previous games, and it turned out to be non alignment indicative, I reeeeally don't think we should be obsessing with it, when there's actual legit cases to look at.

Drezi wrote:

I meant the for the goodnight post, I guess you're being polite but it can be seen as trying to get on Sakura's good side since she scumread you.

Ace Timing is just doing random whatever like we've seen some new people do in previous games, and it turned out to be non alignment indicative, I reeeeally don't think we should be obsessing with it, when there's actual legit cases to look at.

Ah okay, I understand now. It's just that I feel like, despite this being a game where we all are potential enemies, we should be polite to the person sitting in front of the desktop

Still, I think the same about AceTiming, as he didn't reason himself. Let's wait for that to happen.

welp,i am here now

Sakura wrote:

@Jess: This post: p/4280276 indicates you read the debate between me and Zexion (and i guess Navi) why didn't you comment on anything that happened and why did you vote Slaini when there was plenty other info to go on?

I though it was still in RVS at that time.

will answer another question later, i need to eat my dinner

I don't really like Ace Timing's post. He didn't even explain his reads. Why is Slaini town and Zexion null?

welp,i am here now 2.0

Sakura wrote:

Also what part of Slaini has been "contributing"?

i don't seen a part he has been "contributing"

I just stand from his point of view to think

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Here is my read after i make notes and think:

Town:
Sakura
[She seen to contributing(It just my view)]
Zexion
Drezi
Null:
Slaini
(I am still a bit of suspects of you)
SNB
Hika
Scum:
Ace Timing
(he posts make no any sense at all)

If I don't explain that is just my feels

Remember :It is just me views