Back from Terminator and sleepworld, checking out things.
Bruh.sLaiNi wrote:
To actually vote for them to get lynched? Might not be the smartest way, but I see it'll be better to vote who you aren't sure about.Sakura wrote:
If anything this explanation just makes it worse, what's the point of voting someone if they shouldn't feel threatened by your vote?
So as question: Would you say it's smarter to not vote who you think is 100% scum, but instead vote someone who you aren't sure about, yet, to see their reactions?
You asked for reasonings about the townreads on you and the posts like this are exactly the reason. Well reasoned descriptive posts that have potential to turn out true.Sakura wrote:
Playstyle this game so far of both Slaini and Zexion has been fully reactive and the only person they've both scumhunted is Navizel, who turned out to be a PR.
Theory: Slaini and Zexion are in a scumteam and Zexion's the mastermind. And their designated mislynch was Navizel, who... SURPRISE!, is the person Zexion kept calling my attention to when i was arguing with him early game.
At this point i'd feel comfortable voting for either of the 2.
It might be directed at me, but I don't know how do I look to be desperate to keep you alive. Zexion looks desperate to rolefish on the other hand. As with Sakura, no, I'm not a day rolecop.Navizel wrote:
Is that question directed to me or SNB? I feel like it's directed to SNB.Zexion wrote:
Or do you already know what role is he? Looks more like you're desperate to keep him alive.
Why try-hard make baseless accusations on anyone? Other than RVS reaction fishing, that is (which yours quite frankly weren't).Zexion wrote:
So tell me, from which other player could I have scumhunted? Or accused?
Neither of you. It was directed towards Sakura: her believing so much in Navizel's claim despite how shady it was, I actually agree with SNB in this post.Navizel wrote:
Navizel wrote:
I think that's up for you to decide. Even if it is, would you believe it?Is that question directed to me or SNB? I feel like it's directed to SNB.Zexion wrote:
Or do you already know what role is he? Looks more like you're desperate to keep him alive.
You don't get the idea here. Sakura is saying that I was only directing her attention towards Navizel, but what else could have I done? Obviously I wouldn't make baseless acusations on someone, which is way I could only point stuff at Navizel this early in game. Or at least that's what I tried to tell.SNB wrote:
Why try-hard make baseless accusations on anyone? Other than RVS reaction fishing, that is (which yours quite frankly weren't).Zexion wrote:
So tell me, from which other player could I have scumhunted? Or accused?
Quality content here.Ace Timing wrote:
I'm rescinding my vote on SNB
unvote
I'm now casting my vote onto Zexion, general deflection and accusing people just because of simply ignoring accusations,
This wagon composition makes me sad.CalignoBot wrote:
[3] Zexion -- Hika, Static Noise Bird, Ace Timing
[2] Hika -- Drezi, Zexion
[2] sLaiNi -- Navizel, Sakura
[1] Navizel -- sLaiNi
[0] -[Jess]- --
[0] Ace Timing --
[0] Drezi --
[0] Sakura --
[0] Static Noise Bird --
[0] No Lynch -
Not Voting -- -[Jess]-
With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.
Sakura wrote:
[@slaini's RVS]If anything this explanation just makes it worse, what's the point of voting someone if they shouldn't feel threatened by your vote?
While you seem to completely ignore Hika, and how she game me an almost perfect town score out of NOTHING after I voted her, pulling this "good, good all according to my scumhunting masterplan" why of course, I mean seriously now, it's the most blatant buddying I've seen.Sakura wrote:
and the only person they've both scumhunted is Navizel, who turned out to be a PR.
Theory: Slaini and Zexion are in a scumteam and Zexion's the mastermind. And their designated mislynch was Navizel, who... SURPRISE!, is the person Zexion kept calling my attention to when i was arguing with him early game.
What the hell, obviously she's going to vote if there's a scumslip, isn't "word's match her actions" it's the most natural thing in this case not a feat to highlight??Sakura wrote:
https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/4281118 I still hold Hika that unlike everyone else, she spotted a scumslip and voted it immediately, so her actions match her words.
If we really wanna hand out town or scumpoints here (which I think is rather weak anyway) then you could say that scum is most desperate to start a wagon with a legit reason, others didn't rush it)Sakura wrote:
Yeah, Drezi that's the point, it's the most natural thing... everyone else was screaming "SCUMSLIP" yet never voted Slaini.
I think I outlined my reasons already? Unless you expect a page long case study day1 to place a vote when it comes to Hika?Sakura wrote:
Can you give me a concise bullet point reasons of why you think she's scum? Something like.
- She's saying this, while actually it happened like this.
- She's doing this, but she said this.
- The way she did this, shows that she's scum, because X.
That's exactly what I did there. Navizel was suspicious to me, so I voted him. So Mastin is rather supporting me, i guess.Sakura wrote:
Mastin wrote:
It’s well-known knowledge that the average scum ratio is 20-33%. If you think a player is more likely than that to be scum, you vote them.
Could you explain why I am town for you?Ace Timing wrote:
Current Reads:
Town:
Slaini
Null:
Everyone else.
So you dont even have a scumread on Zexion?Ace Timing wrote:
Current Reads:
Town:
Slaini
Null:
Everyone else.
It's not exactly like that. It's rather that I said, that he acted LIKE he knew for sure that I was town. That was the reason I didn't put him full-town instead.Sakura wrote:
I don't know why you think im accusing YOU of the bolded, but the only players that know the alignment of others are scum (as of right now at least), So Slaini putting you as null town while saying you know for certain he's town is not supposed to raise any flags for me?.
Then ask me out ^^Sakura wrote:
There are other things on that reads list that dont make sense with your actions and words...
Not you, Ace'ssLaiNi wrote:
Then ask me out ^^Sakura wrote:
There are other things on that reads list that dont make sense with your actions and words...
I think it should be the other way around.sLaiNi wrote:
Then ask me out ^^
Ahh I understand nowDrezi wrote:
I think it should be the other way around.sLaiNi wrote:
Then ask me out ^^
Jk what you meant is "ask me out" literally in my native language too ^^
Exactly, as i thought you were talking about my reads.Sakura wrote:
I gotta admit, that was the first impression i got when i read that, but then when i saw the quote i noticed he wanted me to ask him about it.
Either way, thing is, i have issues with Ace's read list, so the comment wasn't directed at Slaini.
If you really are going to go to sleep now, I wish you a good night then ^^Sakura wrote:
I think i should stay off this game until i wake up tomorrow, coz right now i feel like i want to hit someone.
I mean that reads posts was so bad im at a loss for words.
Unvote
Vote: Ace
Back here.
Maybe i'll sheep you again on Hika tomorrow or not, pending on Ace's replies.
Yes, he probably didn't read the whole conversation yet. So he's just writing some nonesense so he doesn't get kicked off, I guess.Drezi wrote:
It reminds me of my first post. Not something I'd try to make a case over
Ace Timing wrote:
I'm rescinding my vote on SNB
unvote
I'm now casting my vote onto Zexion, general deflection and accusing people just because of simply ignoring accusations,
Ace Timing wrote:
forgot to cast vote kek
vote Zexion
I'll just just now put these quotes together, if you can't see it, then i'll explain it tomorrow.Ace Timing wrote:
Current Reads:
Town:
Slaini
Null:
Everyone else.
Anyone could explain it before it's tomorrow for Sakura? Don't want to wait that long.Sakura wrote:
Ace Timing wrote:
I'm rescinding my vote on SNB
unvote
I'm now casting my vote onto Zexion, general deflection and accusing people just because of simply ignoring accusations,Ace Timing wrote:
forgot to cast vote kek
vote ZexionI'll just just now put these quotes together, if you can't see it, then i'll explain it tomorrow.Ace Timing wrote:
Current Reads:
Town:
Slaini
Null:
Everyone else.
Ah okay, I understand now. It's just that I feel like, despite this being a game where we all are potential enemies, we should be polite to the person sitting in front of the desktopDrezi wrote:
I meant thefor the goodnight post, I guess you're being polite but it can be seen as trying to get on Sakura's good side since she scumread you.
Ace Timing is just doing random whatever like we've seen some new people do in previous games, and it turned out to be non alignment indicative, I reeeeally don't think we should be obsessing with it, when there's actual legit cases to look at.
I though it was still in RVS at that time.Sakura wrote:
@Jess: This post: p/4280276 indicates you read the debate between me and Zexion (and i guess Navi) why didn't you comment on anything that happened and why did you vote Slaini when there was plenty other info to go on?
i don't seen a part he has been "contributing"Sakura wrote:
Also what part of Slaini has been "contributing"?
Could you please elaborate on why do you townread Zexion? Also where is Navi on your list?-[Jess]- wrote:
Town:
Sakura
[She seen to contributing(It just my view)]
Zexion
Drezi
Null:
Slaini
(I am still a bit of suspects of you)
SNB
Hika
Scum:
Ace Timing
(he posts make no any sense at all)
Oh wow. Fuck. Think the scumteam might not be Zexion/Slaini anymore. I'll hold my vote till tomorrow morning though (or tonight, depending on how long can I force myself to stay up) since I want to see what Hika has to say about Drezi and Sakura's posts and more importantly what Ace has to say.Sakura wrote:
Ace Timing wrote:
I'm rescinding my vote on SNB
unvote
I'm now casting my vote onto Zexion, general deflection and accusing people just because of simply ignoring accusations,Ace Timing wrote:
forgot to cast vote kek
vote ZexionI'll just just now put these quotes together, if you can't see it, then i'll explain it tomorrow.Ace Timing wrote:
Current Reads:
Town:
Slaini
Null:
Everyone else.
Assuming Drezi is the second, who is the third one and why?Sakura wrote:
I also dislike the fact that after all this i still only have 3 townreads, and one of them is only because "Claimed something that will die tonight, so idc"
i can't , it just my silly thoughtStatic Noise Bird wrote:
Could you please elaborate on why do you townread Zexion? Also where is Navi on your list?
I pretend you are talking about Ace being scumteam with me. If that's the case: Don't you think it's a bit hastily to react like this to something, which seems like pure random vote / random read.Static Noise Bird wrote:
Oh wow. Fuck. Think the scumteam might not be Zexion/Slaini anymore. I'll hold my vote till tomorrow morning though (or tonight, depending on how long can
Assuming Drezi is the second, who is the third one and why?
Didn't expect an answer like this though.Ace Timing wrote:
Just a note to you guys, I'm not making a random read here, I'm not an idiot. I maybe a newbie, but I'm intelligent enough to read the ISOs. Please don't assume I'm an idiot stuck in RVS. There's a reason that Slaini is the only one in my townlist, and there is also a reason why I don't feel the need to elaborate. Does making sudden reads make you scum? Is this how the game is played? Do scum always act irrational and unpredictably? No. Do you know why? Because of the nature of their win condition. Scum are the ones who play the game the most carefully, because they are the one's most in danger. So please guys don't just go "hurr durr read didn't make sense he's scum".
kek.
You're corrent on Drezi, the 3rd was Hika... at the time, im still not sure what to think, because Drezi's poitns also make sense.Static Noise Bird wrote:
Assuming Drezi is the second, who is the third one and why?
You're very close to my true intentions, but you're off a bit. Here's a little hint. My vote on Slaini wasn't a townread, but it also wasn't a scum read. I didn't pick Slaini arbitrarily, but it didn't have to be him. Have funSakura wrote:
tell me, why would you even move your vote from a nullread to a nullread?, 2 reasons, 1 you townread the person you're currently voting, 2, you scumread the person you switched your vote onto.
From Ace's post, you would think he'd be scumreading Zexion, however, Zexion doesn't appear anywhere as scum, "But Zexion could still be a null read Sakura!" Then why move the vote off SNB?, one would think because SNB became a townread.... which SUPRISE! it's also absent from his town list.
Then also: Slaini's reply to "So she's probably saying that i'm scum!" makes me think he's self-conscious if he thinks that would involve him as a scumspect. I mean really, why would i even bother quoting Ace's unvote and vote if it was just about him putting Slaini as a townread?.
Why is this a surprise? Heck, I explained this posts ago and I think my reason was at least valid.Sakura wrote:
And now i realize that Zexion's also voting Hika..
I don't even know what to do anymore.
Huh? I don't even remember me claiming you were town. For the Nth time, it was the way you worded your "scumsplip" that caught my attention and I thought it could have been some words making sense in german but being suspicious in english. Please don't make me repeat this again.sLaiNi wrote:
It's not exactly like that. It's rather that I said, that he acted LIKE he knew for sure that I was town. That was the reason I didn't put him full-town instead.Sakura wrote:
I don't know why you think im accusing YOU of the bolded, but the only players that know the alignment of others are scum (as of right now at least), So Slaini putting you as null town while saying you know for certain he's town is not supposed to raise any flags for me?.
Just to add a litltle off-game thing here, we're not exactly a happy family in this game, its like we suspect each other so its not exactly the place to build friendships. Of course, what happens in mafia stays in mafia so outside its all good ^_^Drezi wrote:
I meant thefor the goodnight post, I guess you're being polite but it can be seen as trying to get on Sakura's good side since she scumread you.
This was already asked at that time. Why are you repeating questions? Ace didn't post since the list until now so its not like he was evading the question or something.Navizel wrote:
I don't really like Ace Timing's post. He didn't even explain his reads. Why is Slaini town and Zexion null?
Oh you. You think you're some sort of quizmaster and we have to discover your thoughts to win a prize? Your post is basically useless as you don't feel like explaining the reasoning behind your actions. Doing so only hurts town because we are unable to view things like you do and draw new conclussions. Also no one is saying you're an idiot or something like that (let's not get offensive) but rather, how your actions doesn't seem to fit at this stage of the game.Ace Timing wrote:
You're very close to my true intentions, but you're off a bit. Here's a little hint. My vote on Slaini wasn't a townread, but it also wasn't a scum read. I didn't pick Slaini arbitrarily, but it didn't have to be him. Have funSakura wrote:
tell me, why would you even move your vote from a nullread to a nullread?, 2 reasons, 1 you townread the person you're currently voting, 2, you scumread the person you switched your vote onto.
From Ace's post, you would think he'd be scumreading Zexion, however, Zexion doesn't appear anywhere as scum, "But Zexion could still be a null read Sakura!" Then why move the vote off SNB?, one would think because SNB became a townread.... which SUPRISE! it's also absent from his town list.
Then also: Slaini's reply to "So she's probably saying that i'm scum!" makes me think he's self-conscious if he thinks that would involve him as a scumspect. I mean really, why would i even bother quoting Ace's unvote and vote if it was just about him putting Slaini as a townread?.
Actually if scum decides to give up themselves, we can offer them amnesty, and we can chill out here together, and live a happy long life on our little town, without all the bloodshed? How about that?Zexion wrote:
Just to add a litltle off-game thing here, we're not exactly a happy family in this game, its like we suspect each other so its not exactly the place to build friendships.
Did you know that's actually a thing? Usually after a certain ammount of phases with no deaths games end on Happy Ever After or smth, where it's a draw.Drezi wrote:
Actually if scum decides to give up themselves, we can offer them amnesty, and we can chill out here together, and live a happy long life on our little town, without all the bloodshed? How about that?Zexion wrote:
Just to add a litltle off-game thing here, we're not exactly a happy family in this game, its like we suspect each other so its not exactly the place to build friendships.
In fact Hika is the reason why I'm keeping my thoughts to myself but whatever. He's been gone for a little while now. Wonder what happened with him anyway.Zexion wrote:
If your playstyle is basically the same as Hika (i.e. "I am developing my scumhunt plan but for the moment I'll keep it to myself") that will just bring you trouble. Just sayin'.
Oh wait, in fact, it's the same. We can wait until Hika says a bit more.
So you took someone, who is already suspected of being scum. That way you could see how the others react, e.g. starting a wagon right away?Ace Timing wrote:
You're very close to my true intentions, but you're off a bit. Here's a little hint. My vote on Slaini wasn't a townread, but it also wasn't a scum read. I didn't pick Slaini arbitrarily, but it didn't have to be him. Have funSakura wrote:
tell me, why would you even move your vote from a nullread to a nullread?, 2 reasons, 1 you townread the person you're currently voting, 2, you scumread the person you switched your vote onto.
From Ace's post, you would think he'd be scumreading Zexion, however, Zexion doesn't appear anywhere as scum, "But Zexion could still be a null read Sakura!" Then why move the vote off SNB?, one would think because SNB became a townread.... which SUPRISE! it's also absent from his town list.
Then also: Slaini's reply to "So she's probably saying that i'm scum!" makes me think he's self-conscious if he thinks that would involve him as a scumspect. I mean really, why would i even bother quoting Ace's unvote and vote if it was just about him putting Slaini as a townread?.
Ace Timing wrote:
God I'm retarded
Vote Static Noise Bird
YES! FINALLY! SOMEONE THAT SCUMREADS ME!Ace Timing wrote:
kekerino
Reads (legit this time):
Town:
Slaini
Drezi
Null-town:
Hika
Zexion
Null-scum:
Sakura
Navizel
Scum:
SNB
No reason why am I null-scum?Ace Timing wrote:
The reason why I am (currently) convinced that SNB is scum is that when I made that earlier read, he immediately thought that me and Slaini were a scum team. There was no real reason he should think so, so therefore, he must of been a scum trying to get me or Slaini lynched. Still can figure out what Hika is, as he hasn't been on in awhile. I honestly forgot why Sakura is null-scum. I'll probably remember, but I came up with these after seeing the responses to the read I made earlier. I picked Slaini simply because he was suspected of a scumslip earler on, and I was already kind of inclined to believe he was town. Kek.
No reason why am I null-scum?[/quote]Navizel wrote:
earlier. I picked Slaini simply because he was suspected of a scumslip earler on, and I was already kind of inclined to believe he was town. Kek.
>Someone scumslipsAce Timing wrote:
I picked Slaini simply because he was suspected of a scumslip earler on, and I was already kind of inclined to believe he was town. Kek.
Same reason, I looked at your reactions to my read. You didn't really respond to it at all. You just repeated what was already mentioned and how it didn't mesh well with you. You had very little involvement, which I took as suspicious, but could not use as evidence to you being scum, so therefore I just left you as null-scum.[/quote]Ace Timing wrote:
No reason why am I null-scum?Navizel wrote:
earlier. I picked Slaini simply because he was suspected of a scumslip earler on, and I was already kind of inclined to believe he was town. Kek.
Excuse me, exactly when did I EVER say that you and Slaini were a scumteam? SLAINI drew that conclusion from my "Zexion/Slaini might not be the scumteam any more" comment. I'm not even going to ask you why would that instantly translate to me being a scum even if it was true - as far as I know you two have been highly questionable through the entire game. See this is yet another reason for why you're probably a scum, or so very scummy, at least. Here you're seen putting Slaini's words into my mouth, and making an overly paranoiac analysis from them, your possible scumpartner's words (there, now I said it myself) - a true scum in their natural habitat. Do you have a scum daychat where you can plan this stuff or something? Kek.Ace Timing wrote:
The reason why I am (currently) convinced that SNB is scum is that when I made that earlier read, he immediately thought that me and Slaini were a scum team. There was no real reason he should think so, so therefore, he must of been a scum trying to get me or Slaini lynched. Still can figure out what Hika is, as he hasn't been on in awhile. I honestly forgot why Sakura is null-scum. I'll probably remember, but I came up with these after seeing the responses to the read I made earlier. I picked Slaini simply because he was suspected of a scumslip earler on, and I was already kind of inclined to believe he was town. Kek.
She/Her*Ace Timing wrote:
In fact Hika is the reason why I'm keeping my thoughts to myself but whatever. He's been gone for a little while now. Wonder what happened with him anyway.Zexion wrote:
If your playstyle is basically the same as Hika (i.e. "I am developing my scumhunt plan but for the moment I'll keep it to myself") that will just bring you trouble. Just sayin'.
Oh wait, in fact, it's the same. We can wait until Hika says a bit more.
Makes it much more interesting, uh, sure. Does that help town? Do you want to help the town yourself?sLaiNi wrote:
Ace Timing wrote:
God I'm retarded
Vote Static Noise Bird
I really don't get your way of thinking, which makes it much more interesting, though.
If your readslist consists of gut feels, then you should read the game from the very beginning again.-[Jess]- wrote:
i can't , it just my silly thoughtStatic Noise Bird wrote:
Could you please elaborate on why do you townread Zexion? Also where is Navi on your list?
and about Navi...
i will put him on null