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HAHAHAAH, I'm sorry Drezi, I will answer that for you if you'd like.
One of my main pet peeves with Zexion early on was that he seemed like he wanted to test the waters before fully commiting somewhere, which is something scum like to do, although after discussing with him i found his explanation plausible and figured i might have been wrong.Hika wrote:
It's just you said something about considering the whole town's opinion before getting too hasty. That is something that I don't agree with here because that can either mean that you're not understanding the whole point of RVS (in a serious sense) or you're taking things lightly yourself. I mean it's okay, you don't have to mind it, but I won't discuss this anymore here because according to you, if it has been settled, it doesn't need to come back up.
I'm just gonna assume it was pointless. But that one line touches me the wrong way.
What do you think of Navizel?
Yes please.Hika wrote:
HAHAHAAH, I'm sorry Drezi, I will answer that for you if you'd like.
Okay one second guys, I'm about to go out for lunch so I'll make my boyfriend drive and reply to this.
Hika wrote:
Not exactly a personality/playstyle thing, just me letting him know that he fucked up by giving me the reaction I was looking for, however, it is invalid because he is right about me reading incorrectly in the dialog between him and Sakura. I know Sakura's playstyle and all I kept reading was "looking for scum" all over her face.Drezi wrote:
This might be a personality/playstyle thing but I found this a bit excessive "look at me working my townie magic".
I think it's fair letting him know so that way he can put on his serious game face here since I'm not sure of HIS playstyle.
At the time being, she is confirmed town for me also. I can see what she did at the beginning and it looks good to me, but I am also analyzing things and also wondering why no one voted with their gut feeling on sLaiNi.You didn't imply it, I stated it myself. Also, sure there is plenty of material to read and discuss, but from more specifically, Navizel and SNB, not exactly anyone else atm. So it's not plenty in the sense that everyone is involved.Zexion wrote:
There's already plenty of material to read and discuss. All our votes should be serious now, we have imput from about all the players. I don't really get the scumslipping part, when did I imply any of it?It's just you said something about considering the whole town's opinion before getting too hasty. That is something that I don't agree with here because that can either mean that you're not understanding the whole point of RVS (in a serious sense) or you're taking things lightly yourself. I mean it's okay, you don't have to mind it, but I won't discuss this anymore here because according to you, if it has been settled, it doesn't need to come back up.Zexion wrote:
I can't read your mind. The way you worded it sounded like you didn't read any of my discussion with Sakura. If you're not going to take what me and Sakura posted lightly and don't agree with our conclussions, how about you post what you don't agree with instead of looking for an excuse to say something like "hey, I'm doing something to find scum, but I won't tell you!".
I'm just gonna assume it was pointless. But that one line touches me the wrong way.Read above, I meant generally being too hasty. You're not doing anything wrong. However, I don't have to share or to come in with new points if I feel that it is a wrong time. I want to see more people post here in a serious sense too. I am not voting based on RVS concluding this post, however.Zexion wrote:
Where am I being hasty? Hastly would be voting for any of the newcomers without talking properly with them. I merely stated that in your post you didn't come with new points to work with, just pointed the obvious and proved you didn't read properly the first pages.You did not scumslip, that is why I was confused. I just meant sLaiNi's scumslip as in the way he/she worded in the quote about knowing someone was scum. There's not much to analyze that because he/she caught out their own mistake. It was also a mistake on my part for not realizing they are German and I could understand the language barrier. Need me to elaborate more here or what?Zexion wrote:
Obviously Slain's "scumslip"i. When did I ever scumslip? Care to elaborate?
Please ignore my last post. It was me derping again.
Vote: Navizel
I got tired of waiting.
Vote: Navizel
I got tired of waiting.
Okay on this point. Tho I still don't see your own conclussions about the Sakura and me discussion.Hika wrote:
You didn't imply it, I stated it myself. Also, sure there is plenty of material to read and discuss, but from more specifically, Navizel and SNB, not exactly anyone else atm. So it's not plenty in the sense that everyone is involved.Zexion wrote:
There's already plenty of material to read and discuss. All our votes should be serious now, we have imput from about all the players. I don't really get the scumslipping part, when did I imply any of it?
I don't really understand this style of yours about not posting what are you thinking, and just saying that you thought about it. (i.e. you say you have an idea and a plan but you refuse telling it). What do you expect to gain with this? Please don't tell me you're "waiting for the right time" or some BS like that, because it would be highly convenient for you and only you.Hika wrote:
HAHAHAAH, I'm sorry Drezi, I will answer that for you if you'd like.
Okay for the first sentence. If you want me to clarify that line, I mean that you're just pretending to be scumhunting rather than actually doing it, which is IMO a really scummy way to play. You are making everyone think you have a plan and stuff yet we see nothing about that. I will retract my sentence when I see some real conclusions/acusations/anything from you.Hika wrote:
I'm just gonna assume it was pointless. But that one line touches me the wrong way.
No, I thought you were accusing me of scumslipping at some point. If that wasn't the case, then sorry for misunderstanding.Hika wrote:
You did not scumslip, that is why I was confused. I just meant sLaiNi's scumslip as in the way he/she worded in the quote about knowing someone was scum. There's not much to analyze that because he/she caught out their own mistake. It was also a mistake on my part for not realizing they are German and I could understand the language barrier. Need me to elaborate more here or what?Zexion wrote:
Obviously Slain's "scumslip"i. When did I ever scumslip? Care to elaborate?
Also i think Navi's at L-1 now, might be L-2, but i'll say L-1 just to be safe. Be careful with the next vote.
Well from Drezi's post i guess yeah, L-1.
Yeah I know, but that last part about acussing me while doing the same thing made me vote right away. Want me to unvote?Zexion wrote:
Good morning everyone. Before anything, please let's not turn this into a memegame. Kthxbai.
Also we're not on RVS anymore. Abstain from voting randomly.Best response 2015. You missed the "nothing personnel kid" anyways.Navizel wrote:
heh.
So, was the intention of this post just a test to get a reaction out of me and Sakura? I find it highly suspicious you would just post this and then dissapear.
What bothers me is your passive attitude towards things said to you. You just let Sakura defend you agaist what I said about you, not reacting at all. I feel like you're either ignoring me or using this play to go unnoticed then quickly change the subject.
I have the intent to vote you but I'll wait until the votecount. I woulld like to avoid L-1 at this point because lolhammers and newbies (Including myself).
If i thought Navi being at L-1 was an issue i'd have unvoted myself. As I haven't i still think he's scum and needs to die.
Why do you ask me this question? Do YOU want to unvote?
Why do you ask me this question? Do YOU want to unvote?
I will quote individually.
I said L-1 no "oops" to make sure everyone realized and as a warning that a sudden hammer wouldn't be tolerated unless agreed upon beforehand.
I will just assume that you can read deeply into what someone says.Drezi wrote:
So Hika, you say Zexion reacted just as you thought. It means you must have had something in mind about him, which turned out to be true, since he did as you expected, verifying your assumptions, so what was it, what conclusions did you draw?
Considering this, a normal person not even paying attention would think that Zexion is purposely not playing properly and letting himself slip up, saying things like "considering an opinion as whole and not partial". Not quote for quote but you should know what I mean. That's an odd thing to say in RVS stage. Of course, he does not know my play style but I fish that stuff pretty hard and don't take it lightly. It's not very important in the time being because of the dialog I had with him before you asked this question, but it's still that whole taking into consideration question that is tickling me funny.
From that, I just drew that he seriously didn't take into consideration how Sakura looks at things. That's all.
So I know not to judge him too seriously until the game progresses.
Did I answer enough for you?
Eh, he is null because he is inactive right now.Sakura wrote:
What do you think of Navizel?
He hasn't presented much of his own ideas either so I just say DON'T hammer and try to keep your votes off him until later on in the day or he comes up with a defense post. He did say he would be busy.
Same here, I thought me voting was the problem. Nothing to complain then.Sakura wrote:
If i thought Navi being at L-1 was an issue i'd have unvoted myself. As I haven't i still think he's scum and needs to die.
Why do you ask me this question? Do YOU want to unvote?
I reply to Zexion later.
Morning, boys and girls.
You and Drezi have been strong IMO. Zexion is null-town at most and I'm not sure about what to think of Hika.
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Expressing interest in hammering Navi, depending on his post(s) whenever he's able to return and possible claim and what not.
The Zexion/Hika stuff that has been going on for the past pages I'm a little wary of, but I don't see anything alarming.
@Sakura, what do you think of the Zexion/Hika stuff? Didn't see much of an opinion from you yet.
@Hika, what is your exact stance on Zexion
and @Zexion, what is yours on Hika?
Cannot nullify a valid suspicion with a reason that can't be proven, and that's the funny part, you know.Navizel wrote:
You mean how I was asleep and then as soon as I woke up, yours was the latest post?sLaiNi wrote:
I still think it's strange how Navizel stood in the background, despite others suspecting him, but as soon as I suspect him, he starts to accuse me of being scum.
Because I was sure I got some kind of a reaction with my post either way. I thought it could be just bad wording and it turned out to be a translation error. If it had turned out to be something legitimate, of course I would have placed my vote. I'm sorry about not being much helpful with VCA for this case, I'll keep that in mind from now on.Sakura wrote:
if you're scumhunting, why, aren't you using your vote which is our weapon, to actually scumhunt, put pressure onto someone, etc, and get reactions.
Navi has definitely been the one to stand out from the rest, so him. I still have a gut feeling about Slaini, though I'm trying to say it's just because he's even more a newbie than I am (+ the case which was already explained though I shouldn't really take that into account anymore). I'm not particularly suspicious of anyone else, I would have pointed out stuff by now. There's a possibility the other one is either Jess or Ace, but obviously we can't analyze anything from them yet.Sakura wrote:
What are your current top 3 scumreads?
Are you townreading anyone?
You and Drezi have been strong IMO. Zexion is null-town at most and I'm not sure about what to think of Hika.
Nice catch, yet another reason to scumread Navi harder.Sakura wrote:
Also i just realized that post i quoted from Navi's uncommital, yet he was accusing Zexion of the same thing...
Expressing interest in hammering Navi, depending on his post(s) whenever he's able to return and possible claim and what not.
The Zexion/Hika stuff that has been going on for the past pages I'm a little wary of, but I don't see anything alarming.
@Sakura, what do you think of the Zexion/Hika stuff? Didn't see much of an opinion from you yet.
@Hika, what is your exact stance on Zexion
and @Zexion, what is yours on Hika?
I'm currently townreading Hika, hence why i'm working with her and asking her for opinions, etc. Zexion is still a null-scum read right now, and the only reason i moved my vote to Navi is due to how Navi was a stronger scumread.Static Noise Bird wrote:
@Sakura, what do you think of the Zexion/Hika stuff? Didn't see much of an opinion from you yet.
The fact that he was very willing to unvote Navi just because Navi reached L-1 makes me think it may have been a bus vote, and when i questioned it, he had no choice but to leave it there. Although im not one to make associations without flips, but if Navi flips scum, is something to take a note of, if Navi flips town, then this point's most likely irrelevant.
As far as the debacle between Hika/Zexion, i think Hika makes good points about Zexion, which only strengthens my scumread there.
To be honest, I don't really feel Hika being scum. Maybe its just their playstyle that bothers me and what brought up the entire discussion. (i.e. not really submiting your ideas). A total null for now.
Awaiting Navi's response to being at L-1 and stuff.
The reason why I asked the unvote was because of Drezi's "no oops later" that I thought was directed towards me, then I realized it was a general warning to everyone about the hammer vote being next. I am pretty surprised you think Hika's points are good, and even more that those help you scumreading me, most of them were misunderstandings from both parts, hardly something to tell I am scum.Sakura wrote:
I'm currently townreading Hika, hence why i'm working with her and asking her for opinions, etc. Zexion is still a null-scum read right now, and the only reason i moved my vote to Navi is due to how Navi was a stronger scumread.Static Noise Bird wrote:
@Sakura, what do you think of the Zexion/Hika stuff? Didn't see much of an opinion from you yet.
The fact that he was very willing to unvote Navi just because Navi reached L-1 makes me think it may have been a bus vote, and when i questioned it, he had no choice but to leave it there. Although im not one to make associations without flips, but if Navi flips scum, is something to take a note of, if Navi flips town, then this point's most likely irrelevant.
As far as the debacle between Hika/Zexion, i think Hika makes good points about Zexion, which only strengthens my scumread there.
Awaiting Navi's response to being at L-1 and stuff.
I'm surprised, i called that i may have been wrong about you 1 page ago, and now im saying you're scum and you don't even notice that? Are you even scumhunting?.
Also is there any read you have other than Navizel that isn't null?
...what? Of course I noticed it, hence I replied to that just a post ago. I already knew (or atleast, I felt) you don't read me as town even after the initial talk. I am merely suprised you find Hika's points so valid. Your only reason right now for suspecting me *again* is because I feared I made a mistake by bringing someone to L-1, as I just explained. Why does that startle you all of a sudden?Sakura wrote:
I'm surprised, i called that i may have been wrong about you 1 page ago, and now im saying you're scum and you don't even notice that? Are you even scumhunting?.
My current reads:
Null-Town:
Sakura (you're about to fall to null)
Drezi
SNB
Null:
Hika
Slaini
Jess
¿?:
Ace Timing (even playing?)
Scum:
Navizel
Jess and Slaini should be pretty obvious. You're a little hasty if you think all my reads are null.
Why SNB and Drezi null-town? I've seen a positive attitude from both of them (even if they haven't posted much) and I see them trying to contribute. (not keeping ideas hidden like Hika) But I'm still worried at this point about SNB:
Of course, I do not have enough experience in this game to determine whether this a scum move or not, but I'll keep it in mind.Sakura wrote:
Oh yeah, i was also wondering about SNB not voitng anyone but deciding to not vote Slaini.
Forget this question, you've already answered it.Zexion wrote:
...what? Of course I noticed it, hence I replied to that just a post ago. I already knew (or atleast, I felt) you don't read me as town even after the initial talk. I am merely suprised you find Hika's points so valid. Your only reason right now for suspecting me *again* is because I feared I made a mistake by bringing someone to L-1, as I just explained. Why does that startle you all of a sudden?
Why is Hika null and why did you feel the need to put that "I'm about to fall to null", it feels like you're trying to scare me or smth.
Maybe im blind, but tell me here where you supposedly noticed what i mentioned before. I'm not seeing it. For reference im talking about what i said here:Zexion wrote:
To be honest, I don't really feel Hika being scum. Maybe its just their playstyle that bothers me and what brought up the entire discussion. (i.e. not really submiting your ideas). A total null for now.
-snipped quote-
The reason why I asked the unvote was because of Drezi's "no oops later" that I thought was directed towards me, then I realized it was a general warning to everyone about the hammer vote being next. I am pretty surprised you think Hika's points are good, and even more that those help you scumreading me, most of them were misunderstandings from both parts, hardly something to tell I am scum.
Awaiting Navi's response to being at L-1 and stuff.
You only commented on me agreeing with Hika's points (which i did if you were reading my posts you would've noticed this earlier, when i actually said i could be wrong about you) i took a risky maneuver with this gambit, but i can see... you're actually not paying attention to what im actually writing.Sakura wrote:
I'm surprised, i called that i may have been wrong about you 1 page ago, and now im saying you're scum and you don't even notice that? Are you even scumhunting?.
Sakura wrote:
Why is Hika null and why did you feel the need to put that "I'm about to fall to null", it feels like you're trying to scare me or smth.
Because you accuse me of "not even scumhunting" and yet you're totally OK at Hika keeping ideas to themselves and Jess and Slaini not saying anything useful. That attitude sounds pretty inconsistent. You wanted my reads, if you feel "scared" by looking at them, its your faultZexion wrote:
To be honest, I don't really feel Hika being scum. Maybe its just their playstyle that bothers me and what brought up the entire discussion. (i.e. not really submiting your ideas). A total null for now.
, but yeah, I should not have put that "you're" there.Although thinking about it in the bigger picture, the thing i was accusing you (a.k.a testing the waters) is kinda gone now, since you're already taking stances (or at the very elast im forcing you to) hmmm...
Dat xpost.
I feel like i need to do a hard reset @_@
I feel like i need to do a hard reset @_@
Also jess and slaini are mostly lurking, hika's at least following her words with actions, you're posting yet i didnt see a single stance other than navizel and you mentioning hika until now.
This is not you agreeing with Hika. This is just the initial thing we talked for about 2 pages and you posting the same conclusion. Maybe I'm mad, but I think I'm reading correctly.Sakura wrote:
One of my main pet peeves with Zexion early on was that he seemed like he wanted to test the waters before fully commiting somewhere, which is something scum like to do, although after discussing with him i found his explanation plausible and figured i might have been wrong.Hika wrote:
It's just you said something about considering the whole town's opinion before getting too hasty. That is something that I don't agree with here because that can either mean that you're not understanding the whole point of RVS (in a serious sense) or you're taking things lightly yourself. I mean it's okay, you don't have to mind it, but I won't discuss this anymore here because according to you, if it has been settled, it doesn't need to come back up.
I'm just gonna assume it was pointless. But that one line touches me the wrong way.
What do you think of Navizel?
Wait, where in that post did you mention what i said again...
Ugh i can't tell if it's just miscommunication on our part, or your scum trying to dodge the question.
Ugh i can't tell if it's just miscommunication on our part, or your scum trying to dodge the question.
If you think I'm evading a question, please write in a different way so I can understand it.Sakura wrote:
Wait, where in that post did you mention what i said again...
Ugh i can't tell if it's just miscommunication on our part, or your scum trying to dodge the question.
Also
@Mod: Prod Ace-Timing
This is what im talking about:
Sakura wrote:
i found his [Zexion's] explanation plausible and figured i might have been wrong.
Sakura wrote:
As far as the debacle between Hika/Zexion, i think Hika makes good points about Zexion, which only strengthens my scumread there.
He never even confirmed, i think he might end up getting replaced instead, but who knows.Zexion wrote:
@Mod: Prod Ace-Timing
Actually thinking about it, you could've lunged at me for it if you were scum, so i probably picked the wrong thing to reaction test with u.u
Well then the mod should do... whatever it should do.Sakura wrote:
He never even confirmed, i think he might end up getting replaced instead, but who knows.Zexion wrote:
@Mod: Prod Ace-Timing
*sigh*Sakura wrote:
This is what im talking about:Sakura wrote:
i found his [Zexion's] explanation plausible and figured i might have been wrong.Sakura wrote:
As far as the debacle between Hika/Zexion, i think Hika makes good points about Zexion, which only strengthens my scumread there.
But this is what we've been talking about all this time... right?
I think I need a rest and think about this again.
I'm really getting sloppy in my scumhunting ever since people stopped scumreading me as often as they did months ago, now im going to have to do a hard reset and re-read the thread from the beginning and form new reads all over again, yaaay.
Topic Starter
Vote Count 1.04
[4] Navizel -- Sakura, Drezi, sLaiNi, Zexion
[2] sLaiNi -- -[Jess]-, Navizel
[0] -[Jess]- --
[0] Ace Timing --
[0] Drezi --
[0] Hika --
[0] Sakura --
[0] Static Noise Bird --
[0] Zexion --
[0] No Lynch -
Not Voting -- Ace Timing, Hika, Zexion
With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.
Deadline is July 3 at 3:30PM CST (GMT-6).
[4] Navizel -- Sakura, Drezi, sLaiNi, Zexion
[2] sLaiNi -- -[Jess]-, Navizel
[0] -[Jess]- --
[0] Ace Timing --
[0] Drezi --
[0] Hika --
[0] Sakura --
[0] Static Noise Bird --
[0] Zexion --
[0] No Lynch -
Not Voting -- Ace Timing, Hika, Zexion
With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.
Deadline is July 3 at 3:30PM CST (GMT-6).
Topic Starter
Ace Timing will be prodded. If he doesn't respond within 24 hours, he will be replaced.
So I just did a quick scroll through the pages and I saw Zexion got tired of waiting for my reply. Holy shit, it's as if you didn't read my PS that I'm going to be away because of my graduation.
This wagon is pure shit.
I just got home. Just wait.
This wagon is pure shit.
I just got home. Just wait.
Hi guys! Finally back home from work o/
Also Zexion, any questions for me? Just wondering.
*waits for OMGUS*
Well do you have any specific questions? Be very specific so I can satisfy your curiosity.
ok, my opinion still stands.
SNB, may I have your reads please? You are null to me.
Where's the others? Can they contribute as well or are we being too in depth rn @Sakura? :U
Also Zexion, any questions for me? Just wondering.
My stance at the moment? Zexion is null-leaning scum, but as I've mentioned before, I am not familiar with his play style etcetcetc because he plays as if he doesn't know a lot. But that's okay. Him being novice is what's keeping him null.Static Noise Bird wrote:
@Hika, what is your exact stance on Zexion
*waits for OMGUS*
Zexion wrote:
To be honest, I don't really feel Hika being scum. Maybe its just their playstyle that bothers me and what brought up the entire discussion. (i.e. not really submiting your ideas). A total null for now.
Well do you have any specific questions? Be very specific so I can satisfy your curiosity.
Of course you won't like anything I say, it is going against your knowledge about your role. Until you post a little more, I will just label you as null-leaning scum. It's not bad, I won't put my vote on you because I don't think you're scummy, but so far, Navi does not receive my vote just yet until I see more play from him. I say give it 24-48 hours.Zexion wrote:
The reason why I asked the unvote was because of Drezi's "no oops later" that I thought was directed towards me, then I realized it was a general warning to everyone about the hammer vote being next. I am pretty surprised you think Hika's points are good, and even more that those help you scumreading me, most of them were misunderstandings from both parts, hardly something to tell I am scum.
ok, my opinion still stands.
SNB, may I have your reads please? You are null to me.
Where's the others? Can they contribute as well or are we being too in depth rn @Sakura? :U
Wait what, I thought the bolded line was my thought.Sakura wrote:
Went through the ISO and found this:Bold is mine.Navizel wrote:
@Sakura - I agree with your thoughts on Drezi. One for one in day one seems outright stupid. Though maybe you two are scum and then since you dissolved the idea, people won't think you're scum in case Drezi died and flipped scum. Idk, I'm being paranoid too
Back then i was interaction with Zexion so i didn't pay it much mind, but now that you mention it, this post can clearly show what im talking about, specially in the bold.
Either way im a person that doesn't like leaving early posts without scrutinization, but i do agree with you, why the heck did Navi agree with my possibly moon logic as people seem to call it nowadays >.>
What do you mean by this?Sakura wrote:
Also i just realized that post i quoted from Navi's uncommital, yet he was accusing Zexion of the same thing...
"pls believe me that I am town." Like you said, your claim could be a lie. Also, everyone could say that. Heck, I could even claim right now that I am a jailkeeper.sLaiNi wrote:
@Hika
Of course I care if someone votes for me (which is part of the game i guess), but as strange as it sounds, I feel kind of safe as I know for myself, that I am town (which you can't know and which could also be lied).
That I called my own excusion less convincingly might be, because I felt cornered and believed, that you would not believe me anyway.
this vote really sucks. You even mentioned that we should abstain from voting randomly. Your vote isn't random but it's being impatient and it's not townlike.Zexion wrote:
Vote: Navizel
I got tired of waiting.
P.S I won't be here during afternoon cause of my grad. I'll probably be back by night.
Hmmm. I don't get the be careful part. You mentioned that I should be lynched with fire because I am scum right? If you're so sure that I am scum why would they be careful on voting a scum?Sakura wrote:
Also i think Navi's at L-1 now, might be L-2, but i'll say L-1 just to be safe. Be careful with the next vote.
Why would you ask someone if you should unvoteZexion wrote:
Want me to unvote?
Timezones?SNB wrote:
Cannot nullify a valid suspicion with a reason that can't be proven, and that's the funny part, you know.
It feels like you want to shift the attention to others so the heat won't be on you.Zexion wrote:
Sakura wrote:
Why is Hika null and why did you feel the need to put that "I'm about to fall to null", it feels like you're trying to scare me or smth.Because you accuse me of "not even scumhunting" and yet you're totally OK at Hika keeping ideas to themselves and Jess and Slaini not saying anything useful. That attitude sounds pretty inconsistent. You wanted my reads, if you feel "scared" by looking at them, its your faultZexion wrote:
To be honest, I don't really feel Hika being scum. Maybe its just their playstyle that bothers me and what brought up the entire discussion. (i.e. not really submiting your ideas). A total null for now.
Unvote
For now coz i just read Navi's claim.
For now coz i just read Navi's claim.
Yaaaaaaaaa, he is still null for me.
Sakura, how do you feel about him rn.
Sakura, how do you feel about him rn.
I haven't had time to re-read due to ~Reasons~Hika wrote:
Yaaaaaaaaa, he is still null for me.
Sakura, how do you feel about him rn.
And im gonna be busy tonight.
But before i decided to reset i was scumreading him, and i unvoted because of a claim and i still don't know if i'll believe it or not, but i don't want anything hasty. I'll re-read most likely tomorrow morning.
Unless you were talking about Zexion but i thought you were scumreading him.
No, Zexion is still null-scum.
okay, will wait for you to post.
okay, will wait for you to post.
Null as fuck
Jess and Ace Timing
Null
Hika
Drezi
SNB
Null-scum
Slaini - Yeah, sure his townclaim on me might've been a language error but I can't be too safe and just ignore it and his latest post.
Zexion
Null-town
Sakura
Jess and Ace Timing
Null
Hika
Drezi
SNB
Null-scum
Slaini - Yeah, sure his townclaim on me might've been a language error but I can't be too safe and just ignore it and his latest post.
Zexion
Null-town
Sakura
ok, well let me do this.
Vote: Zexion
hahhahaah
Vote: Zexion
hahhahaah
Okay, I'm too tired right now. I'm going to sleep early. I was just waiting for my stomach to die down because I ate too much. Please no stupid lolhammer while I'm resting.
I'll be sure to hunt the scum off your wagon if that becomes the case here.
I kinda like Navi's post. Just one thing I need to question:
Drezi
Sakura
Null-town
You
Navi (for now)
I need a better read on the others (which is partially impossible for obvious reasons), so for now I have to assume the scumteam is among them. I did mention Zexion being "null-town at most" previously, but that's one person I need to look through again (judging by the posts from you guys).
So, are you claiming? You could claim, you didn't say you did. Need to be specific, can't take risks.Navizel wrote:
Heck, I could even claim right now that I am a jailkeeper.
TownHika wrote:
SNB, may I have your reads please? You are null to me.
Drezi
Sakura
Null-town
You
Navi (for now)
I need a better read on the others (which is partially impossible for obvious reasons), so for now I have to assume the scumteam is among them. I did mention Zexion being "null-town at most" previously, but that's one person I need to look through again (judging by the posts from you guys).
Ok, well I'm townreading Sakura now.
As for Hika, thing is she seems to have formed a solid townread based on Sakura's early posts, which I found the weakest, and I liked Zexion's early replies, even though his opposing stance was too harsh. Obviously we can and should try to make the most out of what's been posted, but Sakura's posts WERE really far fetched and felt forced to me.
02:55 UTC
Unvote
Vote: Hika
As for Hika, thing is she seems to have formed a solid townread based on Sakura's early posts, which I found the weakest, and I liked Zexion's early replies, even though his opposing stance was too harsh. Obviously we can and should try to make the most out of what's been posted, but Sakura's posts WERE really far fetched and felt forced to me.
I mean the use of words here, even if not to be taken literally, it feels unnatural to choose such strong wording, especially given what it's based on.Hika wrote:
At the time being, she [Sakura] is confirmed town for me also.
02:55 UTC
03:58 UTCHika wrote:
Until you [Zexion] post a little more, I will just label you as null-leaning scum. It's not bad, I won't put my vote on you because I don't think you're scummy..
And Zexion hasn't been posted anything between, Navi did though and he put Zexion as Null-scum and recieved an unvote.Hika wrote:
ok, well let me do this.
Vote: Zexion
hahhahaah
Unvote
Vote: Hika
I think that's up for you to decide. Even if it is, would you believe it?Static Noise Bird wrote:
So, are you claiming? You could claim, you didn't say you did. Need to be specific, can't take risks.Navizel wrote:
Heck, I could even claim right now that I am a jailkeeper.
Im here, im just gonna start re-reading however, overnight i realized that...
About Navi i dont even need to care, whether i townread or scumread him right now is irrelevant as well as whehter i believe the claim or not, because if it's true scum will kill him anyway (JK's pretty dangerous to leave around just by mere statistical chance of NK being blocked), so I'm just gonna take that information in mind when i re-read.
About Navi i dont even need to care, whether i townread or scumread him right now is irrelevant as well as whehter i believe the claim or not, because if it's true scum will kill him anyway (JK's pretty dangerous to leave around just by mere statistical chance of NK being blocked), so I'm just gonna take that information in mind when i re-read.
In adition if Navi's lying we will know tomorrow.
Assuming Navi lives over the night, if he's lying any power role that can counterclaim Navi should wait until tomorrow to do so because:
1) If Navi's a VT lying he's trying to draw the night kill, counterclaiming him right now would screw that up, in adition we would get a mislynch due to a CC, and give information to scum.
2) If Navi's Scum lying then he can be lynched tomorrow if there are any CCs.
Roles that can CC Navi: Cop, Doc, Tracker, JK.
Take that in mind and avoid CCing today.
Please, Please, PLEASE dont CC today just in case (Also all you'd do is attract a night kill and do nothing with your role).
Ok NOW im gonna re-read
Assuming Navi lives over the night, if he's lying any power role that can counterclaim Navi should wait until tomorrow to do so because:
1) If Navi's a VT lying he's trying to draw the night kill, counterclaiming him right now would screw that up, in adition we would get a mislynch due to a CC, and give information to scum.
2) If Navi's Scum lying then he can be lynched tomorrow if there are any CCs.
Roles that can CC Navi: Cop, Doc, Tracker, JK.
Take that in mind and avoid CCing today.
Please, Please, PLEASE dont CC today just in case (Also all you'd do is attract a night kill and do nothing with your role).
Ok NOW im gonna re-read
I don't care Drezi, that CANNOT be my concern, at least not now.
Well, Matrix6 setup is in the front page but I'll just say it again here just in case. http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Matrix6
One row/column would be picked for the setup e.g. a game that has chosen column A would have Town JK + Mafia RB + 1-shot BP Town + 1 Mafia Goon + 5 VT
If my claim is true, either column A or Row 1 would be the possible setup for this game.
A roleblocker might exist and mafia would probably block me or kill me at night if ever I survived D1.
I might also block a VT tonight. I might also block a mafia but the other might've submitted the nightkill instead.
But in any case, I'm going to vote whoever CC with a PR
One row/column would be picked for the setup e.g. a game that has chosen column A would have Town JK + Mafia RB + 1-shot BP Town + 1 Mafia Goon + 5 VT
If my claim is true, either column A or Row 1 would be the possible setup for this game.
A roleblocker might exist and mafia would probably block me or kill me at night if ever I survived D1.
I might also block a VT tonight. I might also block a mafia but the other might've submitted the nightkill instead.
But in any case, I'm going to vote whoever CC with a PR
I am back
2.No,he has not enough posts and he seen to be contributing
So,
unvote
I cant think more now,will re-read all the post again and making some note to help me think
1.Because his sixth and seventh post makes me think he is self-contradictory.Zexion wrote:
SNB already said this but let me "contribute" a bit: why is this self-contradictory? Do you have any futher thoughts about Slaini being scum because of this contradiction?-[Jess]- wrote:
this is self-contradictory.
2.No,he has not enough posts and he seen to be contributing
So,
unvote
I cant think more now,will re-read all the post again and making some note to help me think
@Zexion: I don't understand why you unvoted me here: p/4279800 since you could've kept your vote for pressure, if you had a townread on me or smth, then why not move your vote to Navizel at that point considering you also had issues with what he was doing.
@Jess: This post: p/4280276 indicates you read the debate between me and Zexion (and i guess Navi) why didn't you comment on anything that happened and why did you vote Slaini when there was plenty other info to go on?
p/4280488 This post makes me uneasy, lurker warning, has Slaini done anything other than his supposed scumslip that was proved to be... not an actual scumslip but translation error afterwards?
@Slaini: What the heck is with the choice of wording here: p/4280552 It's like "Oh hey im voting you, but you can just take it as a pat on the back!" also p/4280877 Jess never posted (or at least anything significant) between these 2 votes, so what was the point of your vote?, ALSO: You voted "Navi" for replying heh to my vote, what did that make you think of Jess replying ":^) "to your vote
p/4281024 I have a thing with people justifying their actions with "I'm newbie" this is a newbie game, of course there's going to be newbies, you don't need to justify being a newbie, however i hate it when ppl use that fact to justify stuff they do, if you have questions about the game ask or look in the mafiascum wiki, but dont try to justify your actions because "Oh sorry im just newbie", I've already had scum do that to me twice in the past. (Also this is the famous scumslip post lol).
A couple notes about Slaini, seems like people focused too much on Slaini's scumslip than his actual body of work (which is also bad).
p/4281064 Actually looking over this, SNB might be town if Slaini's town, he had open road to join the wagon and didn't.
@Jess: p/4281073 So any original thoughts at all?
p/4281118 I still hold Hika that unlike everyone else, she spotted a scumslip and voted it immediately, so her actions match her words.
On the subject of Zexion: p/4281118 This post is really odd Doesn't want to vote Navi because possible L-1, yet Navi wasn't in danger of L-1 Back then, then votes Navi later when Navi's at L-2. And the only thing he ever says to Slaini is "Hi welcome, go here to learn how to play" Looking at it from another angle this post only talks about Navi's response to suspicion, who he was already suspecting anyway. Hika's post about him. And Slaini's scumslip. I'm pretty sure there's more stuff to comment on so I don't get why this post didn't comment on anything else.
p/4281227 <- Trying to call out Navizel of Beetlejuicing when he wasn't doing as such.
p/4281253 <- Ignored Navizel's reply to his accusation completely.
@Hika: p/4281268 In fact, it's the total opposite, if people are in RVS, the treshold for what they consider scummy enough to vote is lower, because information's what needed, not abstaining from voting which gives 0 information and causes 0 reactions.
p/4281319 This (Slaini's, osu's being weird) and the next post are really awkward. And of course, Slaini completely ignoring Navi who he's scumreading... AGAIN.
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Ah fuck this! i give up, I keep getting lazy, most of the stuff im noticing is the same stuff i had noticed before, the only new stuff i noticed is about Slaini.
I get what Drezi says about Hika, although would you mind explaining your townread of me please, i don't get how i could've done anything that could've caused said townread. I do agree that my early posts were weak, but that's because i was mostly teaching + playing + interacting with Zexion, which ended up in them coming up with a lot of words, and i also agree that anyone townreading me on my early posts should be scrutinized.
In fact... Anyone townreading me, please explain why, because i don't think i've done anything near enough to warrant such a strong townread, most of the stuff i've said is null to me.
PEdit: Oh yeah... navizel's right i forgot that scum roleblocker could just block him... derp. I blame me just waking up when i wrote that XD
@Jess: This post: p/4280276 indicates you read the debate between me and Zexion (and i guess Navi) why didn't you comment on anything that happened and why did you vote Slaini when there was plenty other info to go on?
p/4280488 This post makes me uneasy, lurker warning, has Slaini done anything other than his supposed scumslip that was proved to be... not an actual scumslip but translation error afterwards?
@Slaini: What the heck is with the choice of wording here: p/4280552 It's like "Oh hey im voting you, but you can just take it as a pat on the back!" also p/4280877 Jess never posted (or at least anything significant) between these 2 votes, so what was the point of your vote?, ALSO: You voted "Navi" for replying heh to my vote, what did that make you think of Jess replying ":^) "to your vote
p/4281024 I have a thing with people justifying their actions with "I'm newbie" this is a newbie game, of course there's going to be newbies, you don't need to justify being a newbie, however i hate it when ppl use that fact to justify stuff they do, if you have questions about the game ask or look in the mafiascum wiki, but dont try to justify your actions because "Oh sorry im just newbie", I've already had scum do that to me twice in the past. (Also this is the famous scumslip post lol).
A couple notes about Slaini, seems like people focused too much on Slaini's scumslip than his actual body of work (which is also bad).
p/4281064 Actually looking over this, SNB might be town if Slaini's town, he had open road to join the wagon and didn't.
@Jess: p/4281073 So any original thoughts at all?
p/4281118 I still hold Hika that unlike everyone else, she spotted a scumslip and voted it immediately, so her actions match her words.
On the subject of Zexion: p/4281118 This post is really odd Doesn't want to vote Navi because possible L-1, yet Navi wasn't in danger of L-1 Back then, then votes Navi later when Navi's at L-2. And the only thing he ever says to Slaini is "Hi welcome, go here to learn how to play" Looking at it from another angle this post only talks about Navi's response to suspicion, who he was already suspecting anyway. Hika's post about him. And Slaini's scumslip. I'm pretty sure there's more stuff to comment on so I don't get why this post didn't comment on anything else.
p/4281227 <- Trying to call out Navizel of Beetlejuicing when he wasn't doing as such.
p/4281253 <- Ignored Navizel's reply to his accusation completely.
@Hika: p/4281268 In fact, it's the total opposite, if people are in RVS, the treshold for what they consider scummy enough to vote is lower, because information's what needed, not abstaining from voting which gives 0 information and causes 0 reactions.
p/4281319 This (Slaini's, osu's being weird) and the next post are really awkward. And of course, Slaini completely ignoring Navi who he's scumreading... AGAIN.
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Ah fuck this! i give up, I keep getting lazy, most of the stuff im noticing is the same stuff i had noticed before, the only new stuff i noticed is about Slaini.
I get what Drezi says about Hika, although would you mind explaining your townread of me please, i don't get how i could've done anything that could've caused said townread. I do agree that my early posts were weak, but that's because i was mostly teaching + playing + interacting with Zexion, which ended up in them coming up with a lot of words, and i also agree that anyone townreading me on my early posts should be scrutinized.
In fact... Anyone townreading me, please explain why, because i don't think i've done anything near enough to warrant such a strong townread, most of the stuff i've said is null to me.
PEdit: Oh yeah... navizel's right i forgot that scum roleblocker could just block him... derp. I blame me just waking up when i wrote that XD
Either way, we're not lynching Navizel today, i want to make that clear.
Vote: Slaini
Not related to the scumslip, read my previous wall to find out why.
Vote: Slaini
Not related to the scumslip, read my previous wall to find out why.
Yeah keeping notes on a spreadsheet or notepad can help a lot.-[Jess]- wrote:
and making some note to help me think
Also what part of Slaini has been "contributing"?
Don't assume without asking. Sakura doesn't have my town read because of the dialogue earlier on, but based off of the way she is picking up scum, I can completely agree with that. Confirmed doesn't apply for everyone, it only applies it onto my list. On a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being completely town, 5 being completely null and 10 being completely scummy, I'd put Sakura at about a 3. Drezi, based on your reaction to my vote, I can bump you up to a 2. That is what I wanted.
Fishing for scum* as I should have said rather than picking up scum that sounds weird
Fine by me, tho honestly I don't really mind since I think your game style is being provocative, like if you're trying for me to get angry and then put all the suspicion on me. Glad you waited on me posting before voting me.Hika wrote:
Hi guys! Finally back home from work o/
Also Zexion, any questions for me? Just wondering.My stance at the moment? Zexion is null-leaning scum, but as I've mentioned before, I am not familiar with his play style etcetcetc because he plays as if he doesn't know a lot. But that's okay. Him being novice is what's keeping him null.Static Noise Bird wrote:
@Hika, what is your exact stance on Zexion
*waits for OMGUS*Zexion wrote:
To be honest, I don't really feel Hika being scum. Maybe its just their playstyle that bothers me and what brought up the entire discussion. (i.e. not really submiting your ideas). A total null for now.
Well do you have any specific questions? Be very specific so I can satisfy your curiosity.Of course you won't like anything I say, it is going against your knowledge about your role. Until you post a little more, I will just label you as null-leaning scum. It's not bad, I won't put my vote on you because I don't think you're scummy, but so far, Navi does not receive my vote just yet until I see more play from him. I say give it 24-48 hours.Zexion wrote:
The reason why I asked the unvote was because of Drezi's "no oops later" that I thought was directed towards me, then I realized it was a general warning to everyone about the hammer vote being next. I am pretty surprised you think Hika's points are good, and even more that those help you scumreading me, most of them were misunderstandings from both parts, hardly something to tell I am scum.
ok, my opinion still stands.
SNB, may I have your reads please? You are null to me.
I may have some questions but I'll keep them until later. Does that sound familiar?
So you're confirming Navizel as town here? Or atleast it shows you do care about him yet you don't know if he's lying or not. Besides the way you worded it becomes highly convenient for you to discard a connection between you both in case he flips scum. But then again you both on the same team... unlikely.Hika wrote:
I'll be sure to hunt the scum off your wagon if that becomes the case here.
WTF, you cannot concern yourself about a vote coming towards you? How you can evade an indirect question this way?Hika wrote:
I don't care Drezi, that CANNOT be my concern, at least not now.
So you did evade that question and made a hasty vote (no other word could describe it better) just to reaction test Drezi? Yeah right, now every move that seems suspicious for other people I'll call it a reaction test.Hika wrote:
Don't assume without asking. Sakura doesn't have my town read because of the dialogue earlier on, but based off of the way she is picking up scum, I can completely agree with that. Confirmed doesn't apply for everyone, it only applies it onto my list. On a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being completely town, 5 being completely null and 10 being completely scummy, I'd put Sakura at about a 3. Drezi, based on your reaction to my vote, I can bump you up to a 2. That is what I wanted.
I did read your post about the graduation (congratz btw) my reason to vote you here was not actually for the time, but for what Sakura said about you (acussing me of something then doing it yourself), that's what made me vote.Navizel wrote:
this vote really sucks. You even mentioned that we should abstain from voting randomly. Your vote isn't random but it's being impatient and it's not townlike.Zexion wrote:
Vote: Navizel
I got tired of waiting.P.S I won't be here during afternoon cause of my grad. I'll probably be back by night.Hmmm. I don't get the be careful part. You mentioned that I should be lynched with fire because I am scum right? If you're so sure that I am scum why would they be careful on voting a scum?Sakura wrote:
Also i think Navi's at L-1 now, might be L-2, but i'll say L-1 just to be safe. Be careful with the next vote.Why would you ask someone if you should unvoteZexion wrote:
Want me to unvote?
I already explained the second thing, Drezi "no oops" and stuff.
Sounds really familiar. Interesting you would make that connection, since I was justifying my surprise for Sakura's agreeing at Hika. Heat wasn't "on me" when I started saying this, you know.Navizel wrote:
It feels like you want to shift the attention to others so the heat won't be on you.
Also your claim is suspicious. At first I payed it no attention because you were using, IMO, as an example for Slaini but yet it can be true. That enough warrants a day or more. I have many ideas about this, but they will have to wait until tomorrow.
Unvote
We had reached a conclusion over the initial problem, I was preparing to shift my vote to someone else but no one apeared at that moment.Sakura wrote:
@Zexion: I don't understand why you unvoted me here: p/4279800 since you could've kept your vote for pressure, if you had a townread on me or smth, then why not move your vote to Navizel at that point considering you also had issues with what he was doing.
I think you're refering to p/4281219. I'm pretty sure Navi was L-2 at that moment, and wanted to avoid L-1 because... yeah I said it. On the Slaini stuff, I was looking at the possible language mistake (or "bad choice of wording") for a non-native English Speaker. What else do you wanted me to say?Sakura wrote:
On the subject of Zexion: p/4281118 This post is really odd Doesn't want to vote Navi because possible L-1, yet Navi wasn't in danger of L-1 Back then, then votes Navi later when Navi's at L-2. And the only thing he ever says to Slaini is "Hi welcome, go here to learn how to play" Looking at it from another angle this post only talks about Navi's response to suspicion, who he was already suspecting anyway. Hika's post about him. And Slaini's scumslip. I'm pretty sure there's more stuff to comment on so I don't get why this post didn't comment on anything els
Did you know I voted for you or did you purposely not want to say anything of it?
It seems like im going to HAVE to finish that re-read wont i @_@
@Hika and Zexion since you guys seem to be around: What do you think about what i said about Slaini.
@Hika and Zexion since you guys seem to be around: What do you think about what i said about Slaini.
Just wanted to make clear, that I want to take a look at how the game rolls before making unuseful contributes. Still, I have to admit, that this might be an excusing for lurking, too.Sakura wrote:
p/4280488 This post makes me uneasy, lurker warning, has Slaini done anything other than his supposed scumslip that was proved to be... not an actual scumslip but translation error afterwards?
I just got told (p/4280507) that it is totally okay to vote people randomly in the beginning. That's why I decided to vote someone and I just stated, that I'm not mad, due to her voting me. So it was merely a random vote, which I didn't want to have any special background.Sakura wrote:
@Slaini: What the heck is with the choice of wording here: p/4280552 It's like "Oh hey im voting you, but you can just take it as a pat on the back!" also p/4280877 Jess never posted (or at least anything significant) between these 2 votes, so what was the point of your vote?, ALSO: You voted "Navi" for replying heh to my vote, what did that make you think of Jess replying ":^) "to your vote
That ":^)" was just like an "Yes, I know, it's okay" for me. At that point I read through all posts and decided, that I think Navi is more suspicious, so that I'd rather vote him instead, which I did afterwards. So my unvote had nothing to do with Jess doing something, but instead with Navi doing something, in this case avoiding conversation.
I'm sorry if I upset you in any way. I did not mean to. I won't use this in any way anymore o.OSakura wrote:
p/4281024 I have a thing with people justifying their actions with "I'm newbie" this is a newbie game, of course there's going to be newbies, you don't need to justify being a newbie, however i hate it when ppl use that fact to justify stuff they do, if you have questions about the game ask or look in the mafiascum wiki, but dont try to justify your actions because "Oh sorry im just newbie", I've already had scum do that to me twice in the past. (Also this is the famous scumslip post lol).
Could you explain, what you mean there?Sakura wrote:
p/4281227 <- Trying to call out Navizel of Beetlejuicing when he wasn't doing as such.
Indeed, I did ignore it, rather because I knew, at this point, that he is right with what he said. When you posted that his answer to that is no excusion, I felt confirmed in my accusation. So I just let you answer to that, instead of me.Sakura wrote:
p/4281253 <- Ignored Navizel's reply to his accusation completely.
Don't know what's awkward about it. Also I don't know which second post you are talking about? You mean the one where he explained that werewolf is the same? I just thought that this is offtopic and not allowed to win the overhand here.Sakura wrote:
p/4281319 This (Slaini's, osu's being weird) and the next post are really awkward. And of course, Slaini completely ignoring Navi who he's scumreading... AGAIN.
If that's the time to give my thoughts:
Town:
Sakura (The way she is ready to analyze everyone and being ready to shift her vote makes me pretty comfortable about her)
Null-townish:
Zexion (The only thing that does make me think about him is, that he just accepted my potential scumslip)
SNB (Can't explain it that much, it's just a feel there )
Null:
-[Jess]-
AceTiming
Null-scummish:
Hika (The way you just voted Zexion for scum, while he didn't give any reasoning for it makes me doubt )
Pretty Scummish:
Navizel ( Though you might've been right about yourself not having time to post (Congratz for Exams
) it still bothers me )@Sakura, I keep your "don't vote Navizel" in mind, but I'll let my vote stay like this, until I find someone who seems to be even scummier
I'm just gonna explain beetlejuicing since im having lunch soon:
Beetlejuice tell, well if you ever watched Beetlejuice you'd get the picture, is basically when a player appears as soon as he's getting mentioned (call his name 3 times ) Either way, you're accusing Navizel of only appearing when you attacked him, which is similar to what i mentioned, but this would only be true if Navizel had been gone for a while, which wasn't true.
I'll be back after lunch.
Beetlejuice tell, well if you ever watched Beetlejuice you'd get the picture, is basically when a player appears as soon as he's getting mentioned (call his name 3 times
) Either way, you're accusing Navizel of only appearing when you attacked him, which is similar to what i mentioned, but this would only be true if Navizel had been gone for a while, which wasn't true.I'll be back after lunch.
place holder for now, don't feel like mafia today.
Ah thanks for explaining, now I understand it.Sakura wrote:
I'm just gonna explain beetlejuicing since im having lunch soon:
Beetlejuice tell, well if you ever watched Beetlejuice you'd get the picture, is basically when a player appears as soon as he's getting mentioned (call his name 3 times
I'll be back after lunch.
It's more that I felt like he wasn't replying to your accusions on him (except that "heh"), but as soon as I voted for him, he started accusing me, despite you and Drezi have voted for him. The whole time he didn't give any statement on you two's accusations (I don't think he did until now[?]).
Or did you mean something different?
hmmmsLaiNi wrote:
Just wanted to make clear, that I want to take a look at how the game rolls before making unuseful contributes. Still, I have to admit, that this might be an excusing for lurking, too.
If anything this explanation just makes it worse, what's the point of voting someone if they shouldn't feel threatened by your vote?sLaiNi wrote:
I just got told (p/4280507) that it is totally okay to vote people randomly in the beginning. That's why I decided to vote someone and I just stated, that I'm not mad, due to her voting me. So it was merely a random vote, which I didn't want to have any special background.
That ":^)" was just like an "Yes, I know, it's okay" for me. At that point I read through all posts and decided, that I think Navi is more suspicious, so that I'd rather vote him instead, which I did afterwards. So my unvote had nothing to do with Jess doing something, but instead with Navi doing something, in this case avoiding conversation.
You didn't upset me, but it is a scum tactic i'm aware of and i'm stating that i won't be taken by any "Sorry im just newbie i dont know what im doing" or similar excuses.sLaiNi wrote:
I'm sorry if I upset you in any way. I did not mean to. I won't use this in any way anymore o.O
Wait what?sLaiNi wrote:
Indeed, I did ignore it, rather because I knew, at this point, that he is right with what he said. When you posted that his answer to that is no excusion, I felt confirmed in my accusation. So I just let you answer to that, instead of me.
It feels like you're more concerned with how people look at you than actually finding scum.sLaiNi wrote:
Don't know what's awkward about it. Also I don't know which second post you are talking about? You mean the one where he explained that werewolf is the same? I just thought that this is offtopic and not allowed to win the overhand here.
If that's the time to give my thoughts:
I can agree with the former being town, but how did you get that feeling from my posts? as for the 2nd, how is that a reason to townread me? Even disregarding the meta that i shift votes a lot (which you wouldn't have any way of knowing), people normally tend to see vote hopping as scummy.sLaiNi wrote:
Town:
Sakura (The way she is ready to analyze everyone and being ready to shift her vote makes me pretty comfortable about her)
What do you mean by "just accepted".sLaiNi wrote:
Null-townish:
Zexion (The only thing that does make me think about him is, that he just accepted my potential scumslip)
Any post in particular that gave you such a feel?sLaiNi wrote:
SNB (Can't explain it that much, it's just a feel there )
Are you just sheeping Drezi's reasoning who seems to be absent from your reads list for some reason.sLaiNi wrote:
Null-scummish:
Hika (The way you just voted Zexion for scum, while he didn't give any reasoning for it makes me doubt )
Did you read my post about Navizel's claimsLaiNi wrote:
Pretty Scummish:
Navizel ( Though you might've been right about yourself not having time to post (Congratz for Exams
Why?, Why not use your vote TO find someone that's scummier? You have Hika on Null-Scum, yet you're keeping your vote on a claimed PR?sLaiNi wrote:
@Sakura, I keep your "don't vote Navizel" in mind, but I'll let my vote stay like this, until I find someone who seems to be even scummier
I can accept this explanation, however i still don't see you actually scumhunting outside of your debate with Navi, and your reasoning for suspecting Hika's similar to what Drezi brought up, so it feels like you could be scum just trying to follow the town.sLaiNi wrote:
Ah thanks for explaining, now I understand it.
It's more that I felt like he wasn't replying to your accusions on him (except that "heh"), but as soon as I voted for him, he started accusing me, despite you and Drezi have voted for him. The whole time he didn't give any statement on you two's accusations (I don't think he did until now[?]).
Or did you mean something different?
No.Hika wrote:
That is what I wanted.
I'm glad you're happy with my reaction but I can't say the same, I think Hika could use some more votes :^)
@Sakura My townread is because I liked what you were doing (like @Zexion, Unvote on Navi), and of course you could do that as scum aswell, but objectively everything one does could be done by scum aswell, so in the end I just have to draw the line somewhere and make up my mind.
@slaini you did not include me on your reads list, any particular reason?
I'm not so sure about Zexion now, what he's saying makes sense but I'd really like him to come forward with stuff himself, he's mainly just replying to stuff directed at him..?
To actually vote for them to get lynched? Might not be the smartest way, but I see it'll be better to vote who you aren't sure about.Sakura wrote:
If anything this explanation just makes it worse, what's the point of voting someone if they shouldn't feel threatened by your vote?
So as question: Would you say it's smarter to not vote who you think is 100% scum, but instead vote someone who you aren't sure about, yet, to see their reactions?
I accused him of not answering intentionally, which he denied with the reasoning, that he was absent and not online. I realised that this was true, so I gave up on that. But then you said, that this would not be an excuse, as he can't prove it. That's the same thing I was thinking, so I just didn't answer anymore.Sakura wrote:
Wait what?
That's so right. That is something I should definitly change. But that has nothing to do with me being scum, but rather with me not wanting to annoy you with bad contributions. What I want to say is, that I am indeed concerned about how people look at me, but depending on my actual person (me, who is playing this game) not the inGame character, which might be a scum and therefor might be an enemy (if you understand what I want to say there).Sakura wrote:
It feels like you're more concerned with how people look at you than actually finding scum.
If that's the time to give my thoughts:
You changed your suspected persons alot and there's nearly noone who you haven't analysed now. That's what I am relying on.Sakura wrote:
I can agree with the former being town, but how did you get that feeling from my posts? as for the 2nd, how is that a reason to townread me? Even disregarding the meta that i shift votes a lot (which you wouldn't have any way of knowing), people normally tend to see vote hopping as scummy.
Everyone is sceptical until now about that potential scumslip. It's like he knew for sure that it's impossible for me to be a scum. Still, I remember him writing one time that it "keeps bothering" him.Sakura wrote:
What do you mean by "just accepted".
Her posts on page 8.Sakura wrote:
Any post in particular that gave you such a feel?
Just missed him/her there, sorry thatfor. He/She would be a Null for me.Sakura wrote:
Are you just sheeping Drezi's reasoning who seems to be absent from your reads list for some reason.
Hm?Sakura wrote:
Did you read my post about Navizel's claim
Noone else followed Drezi, instead, everyone else is null-towning Hika. Wouldn't I have gone better with null-towning Hika, too, instead of going with the oppinion of Drezi, whose oppinion isn't the one of the other town members?Sakura wrote:
I can accept this explanation, however i still don't see you actually scumhunting outside of your debate with Navi, and your reasoning for suspecting Hika's similar to what Drezi brought up, so it feels like you could be scum just trying to follow the town.
Answered in the post above. You'd be Null, but after rethinking it (yes rethinking in the past 2 minutes) you are more leaning to townie, to me.Drezi wrote:
No.Hika wrote:
That is what I wanted.
I'm glad you're happy with my reaction but I can't say the same, I think Hika could use some more votes :^)
@Sakura My townread is because I liked what you were doing (like @Zexion, Unvote on Navi), and of course you could do that as scum aswell, but objectively everything one does could be done by scum aswell, so in the end I just have to draw the line somewhere and make up my mind.
@slaini you did not include me on your reads list, any particular reason?
I'm not so sure about Zexion now, what he's saying makes sense but I'd really like him to come forward with stuff himself, he's mainly just replying to stuff directed at him..?
What...? How the hell how I be telling you voted for me hastly if didn't know you voted for me...? This post doesn't make sense at all.Hika wrote:
Did you know I voted for you or did you purposely not want to say anything of it?
Kay'.Hika wrote:
place holder for now, don't feel like mafia today.
You sure? I've been directing some questions towards Hika regarding his/her (can someone tell me what to use) attitude, but Hika just seems to be evading whatever questions I make and now Hika is simply not in the mood for mafia. At the time of my last post I was just replying what had been directed to me and stuff. AFAIK, I am doing something.Drezi wrote:
I'm not so sure about Zexion now, what he's saying makes sense but I'd really like him to come forward with stuff himself, he's mainly just replying to stuff directed at him..?
Vote: Hika
Just as a question. In the Wiki Zexion gave me (Thank you so much for recommending reading there [even though it being in the starting post] it helps alot) there is a hint to use a function to only show the posts of a single person. I guess this was related to their forum. Do osu! - forums have a functionality like that, so I can only view the posts of a single person?
You mean ISOs? CB has them on the first page.
Just here to post something quick. I'll come back later.
Thank you. I overread that, because I didn't know what ISO means at that moment.Navizel wrote:
You mean ISOs? CB has them on the first page.
late but
/confirm
Vote Static Nosie Bird
reason: stole #8 spot. I wanted that...
/confirm
Vote Static Nosie Bird
reason: stole #8 spot. I wanted that...
Welcome backAce Timing wrote:
late but
/confirm
Vote Static Nosie Bird
reason: stole #8 spot. I wanted that...
Hi there. Welcome back. RNG is already over but okay since you joined late.Ace Timing wrote:
late but
/confirm
Vote Static Nosie Bird
reason: stole #8 spot. I wanted that...
I hope you would read all our discussions so far and give your thoughts about them. Form your reads and contribute to the game.
I don't even know where to begin pointing out the problems in this text.sLaiNi wrote:
To actually vote for them to get lynched? Might not be the smartest way, but I see it'll be better to vote who you aren't sure about.
So as question: Would you say it's smarter to not vote who you think is 100% scum, but instead vote someone who you aren't sure about, yet, to see their reactions?
First of all, that's not what I said, 2nd of all, that's not what you did.
But ok, let's assume that it's just miscommunication due to different languages and what not, i'm just gonna quote mastin (yes again), one of the people that's made a lot of guides for players here:
Mastin's words of wisdom
Source: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=15932 More specifically part 1: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p2707177It’s well-known knowledge that the average scum ratio is 20-33%. If you think a player is more likely than that to be scum, you vote them. And trust me…if you have nobody you think is more likely to be scum—even if it’s by a fraction of a percent—then you’re probably not fit to be playing mafia at all, yet. Sure, some players might work by process of elimination, preferring to town-hunt. But even through town-hunting, you eliminate a section of the town from your possibilities to vote. That narrows down the pool, increasing your chances of hitting scum from 20-33% to a far greater number.
For example, if you have twelve players alive and three scum, that’s 25%. Eliminate yourself, and that’s 3/11, 27%. If you determine someone else is town, that’s 3/10, making everyone else 30% likely to be scum. Add in a third name to the town reads, and you’re at 3/9, 33%. You can get two or three town reads (besides yourself) fairly easily. With that third, you’re now at 3/8, a whopping 37.5%--a full 17.5% improvement over your original odds. That’s worthy of voting, any of your remaining suspects, really. Even if you don’t have a clue who among the remaining eight is scum, you still have a far more decent chance of hitting scum than when it was 12 (okay, 11 minus self) players. So, throw the remaining eight in an RNG, for all I care; you need to vote one of them, even if you have no clue who among them is scum, simply due to how likely it is one of them is scum.
“But Mastin! What if it’s too early in the game to be making a call like that?” People form opinions even in the RVS and RQS. There’s content in there to read. And I honestly believe in every playerslot’s first two to three posts, you have enough to theoretically determine all the scum in the game. It may not become evident until far later than the first 2-5 pages which those posts are in, but still, you can form opinions early on. And here’s news for you cautious players:
It doesn’t matter if you’re wrong. You can always change your opinion later, and your vote with it. Simply put, there is no excuse not to vote. Not because you townhunt better than you scumhunt. Not because you are a cautious player. Not because you’re indecisive; flip a coin if ya need to.
For example, if you have twelve players alive and three scum, that’s 25%. Eliminate yourself, and that’s 3/11, 27%. If you determine someone else is town, that’s 3/10, making everyone else 30% likely to be scum. Add in a third name to the town reads, and you’re at 3/9, 33%. You can get two or three town reads (besides yourself) fairly easily. With that third, you’re now at 3/8, a whopping 37.5%--a full 17.5% improvement over your original odds. That’s worthy of voting, any of your remaining suspects, really. Even if you don’t have a clue who among the remaining eight is scum, you still have a far more decent chance of hitting scum than when it was 12 (okay, 11 minus self) players. So, throw the remaining eight in an RNG, for all I care; you need to vote one of them, even if you have no clue who among them is scum, simply due to how likely it is one of them is scum.
“But Mastin! What if it’s too early in the game to be making a call like that?” People form opinions even in the RVS and RQS. There’s content in there to read. And I honestly believe in every playerslot’s first two to three posts, you have enough to theoretically determine all the scum in the game. It may not become evident until far later than the first 2-5 pages which those posts are in, but still, you can form opinions early on. And here’s news for you cautious players:
It doesn’t matter if you’re wrong. You can always change your opinion later, and your vote with it. Simply put, there is no excuse not to vote. Not because you townhunt better than you scumhunt. Not because you are a cautious player. Not because you’re indecisive; flip a coin if ya need to.
Okay? Should I specify that I have personal problems that restrict me from wanting to play mafia right now?
I don't think I should have to say that.
I'm thinking about looking for a replacement. If not, I'll answer all questions I have received.
I don't think I should have to say that.
I'm thinking about looking for a replacement. If not, I'll answer all questions I have received.
sLaiNi wrote:
Null-townish:
Zexion (The only thing that does make me think about him is, that he just accepted my potential scumslip)
Scum Alert.sLaiNi wrote:
It's like he knew for sure that it's impossible for me to be a scum. Still, I remember him writing one time that it "keeps bothering" him.
Scum Alert.
For one that thinks someone else know their alignment they're putting them as null-town.
Playstyle this game so far of both Slaini and Zexion has been fully reactive and the only person they've both scumhunted is Navizel, who turned out to be a PR.
Theory: Slaini and Zexion are in a scumteam and Zexion's the mastermind. And their designated mislynch was Navizel, who... SURPRISE!, is the person Zexion kept calling my attention to when i was arguing with him early game.
At this point i'd feel comfortable voting for either of the 2.
Sakura dear, you're giving me too much credit. Also its a pretty serious accusation that could severly damage town.Sakura wrote:
sLaiNi wrote:
Null-townish:
Zexion (The only thing that does make me think about him is, that he just accepted my potential scumslip)Scum Alert.sLaiNi wrote:
It's like he knew for sure that it's impossible for me to be a scum. Still, I remember him writing one time that it "keeps bothering" him.
Scum Alert.
For one that thinks someone else know their alignment they're putting them as null-town.
Playstyle this game so far of both Slaini and Zexion has been fully reactive and the only person they've both scumhunted is Navizel, who turned out to be a PR.
Theory: Slaini and Zexion are in a scumteam and Zexion's the mastermind. And their designated mislynch was Navizel, who... SURPRISE!, is the person Zexion kept calling my attention to when i was arguing with him early game.
At this point i'd feel comfortable voting for either of the 2.
First of all, what evil plan could I have crafted? "Pretend you're newb and everything will go okay", "don't scumhunt at all". I mentioned Navizel early in game because you asked me for an active play (can't believe you still think I'm only being reactive).
Besides, what other player could I have talked about in the early game? Let's go back:
SNB: 1 RV Post.
Drezi: 1 Post, the list.
Sakura: Posting a lot
Navizel: Agreeing in every stance with you. (Like 3 posts or so)
Me
So tell me, from which other player could I have scumhunted? Or accused?
What you bolded about Slaini's post is his opinion, and I had nothing to do with that. You're just taking the first thing you can in order to come back to me to paint me as scum, which you have done about... three times now?
Sakura wrote:
who turned out to be a PR.
So you're confirming it just because he did a shady claim? A claim he told us to even interpret as we wished?
Or do you already know what role is he? Looks more like you're desperate to keep him alive.Navizel wrote:
I think that's up for you to decide. Even if it is, would you believe it?Static Noise Bird wrote:
So, are you claiming? You could claim, you didn't say you did. Need to be specific, can't take risks.
Post V/LA then. We can't read your mind and know what's happening in your real life. If there's something wrong that doesn't let you play, just say you can't because IRL Issues and we'll all understand that. Its better that saying "I'm not in the mood of answering questions".Hika wrote:
Okay? Should I specify that I have personal problems that restrict me from wanting to play mafia right now?
I don't think I should have to say that.
I'm thinking about looking for a replacement. If not, I'll answer all questions I have received.
I don't know why you think im accusing YOU of the bolded, but the only players that know the alignment of others are scum (as of right now at least), So Slaini putting you as null town while saying you know for certain he's town is not supposed to raise any flags for me?.
Re: PR. If you're both scum, then that means Navi's town so I assume he's telling the truth (in what world would i know he's a PR or not even if i were scum? it's not like i'm a day rolecop).
Except that's not what you did, i kept arguing you and you kept saying "Why are you not looking at this thing here Navizel's doing" or "Look at what Navizel's doing!" like trying to shift my attention from you onto Navizel (And it worked!). It's not about what other player you could have accused, but about the fact that you kept trying to shift my attention to Navizel's posts.
Re: PR. If you're both scum, then that means Navi's town so I assume he's telling the truth (in what world would i know he's a PR or not even if i were scum? it's not like i'm a day rolecop).
Except that's not what you did, i kept arguing you and you kept saying "Why are you not looking at this thing here Navizel's doing" or "Look at what Navizel's doing!" like trying to shift my attention from you onto Navizel (And it worked!). It's not about what other player you could have accused, but about the fact that you kept trying to shift my attention to Navizel's posts.
Actually i just went through your ISO and noticed you only looked at Navizel because I asked you to... I remembered things wrong oops.
Ah well, Slaini's still scum tho.
Ah well, Slaini's still scum tho.
Navizel wrote:
I think that's up for you to decide. Even if it is, would you believe it?Static Noise Bird wrote:
So, are you claiming? You could claim, you didn't say you did. Need to be specific, can't take risks.
Is that question directed to me or SNB? I feel like it's directed to SNB.Zexion wrote:
Or do you already know what role is he? Looks more like you're desperate to keep him alive.
I seriously don't like the way you word things here.Zexion wrote:
Sakura dear, you're giving me too much credit. Also its a pretty serious accusation that could severly damage town.
First of all, what evil plan could I have crafted? "Pretend you're newb and everything will go okay", "don't scumhunt at all". I mentioned Navizel early in game because you asked me for an active play (can't believe you still think I'm only being reactive).
Besides, what other player could I have talked about in the early game? Let's go back:
SNB: 1 RV Post.
Drezi: 1 Post, the list.
Sakura: Posting a lot
Navizel: Agreeing in every stance with you. (Like 3 posts or so)
Me
So tell me, from which other player could I have scumhunted? Or accused?
On another note, I looked at Slaini's ISO and I'm still doubting his reason for the scumslip. His first reason was he used a subjunctive mood to express his thoughts. He didn't mention the language error until Zexion mentioned it. I'm just not convinced even let's say it's a newbie mistake.
Back from Terminator and sleepworld, checking out things.
Bruh.sLaiNi wrote:
To actually vote for them to get lynched? Might not be the smartest way, but I see it'll be better to vote who you aren't sure about.Sakura wrote:
If anything this explanation just makes it worse, what's the point of voting someone if they shouldn't feel threatened by your vote?
So as question: Would you say it's smarter to not vote who you think is 100% scum, but instead vote someone who you aren't sure about, yet, to see their reactions?
You asked for reasonings about the townreads on you and the posts like this are exactly the reason. Well reasoned descriptive posts that have potential to turn out true.Sakura wrote:
Playstyle this game so far of both Slaini and Zexion has been fully reactive and the only person they've both scumhunted is Navizel, who turned out to be a PR.
Theory: Slaini and Zexion are in a scumteam and Zexion's the mastermind. And their designated mislynch was Navizel, who... SURPRISE!, is the person Zexion kept calling my attention to when i was arguing with him early game.
At this point i'd feel comfortable voting for either of the 2.
Also reflecting the note after my reads' list, this could be what I thought of there, too. Jess seems more like a careful newbie, Ace is someone who I still obviously can't get much of an opinion on, so that would leave the potential scumteam to Slaini and Zexion.
It might be directed at me, but I don't know how do I look to be desperate to keep you alive. Zexion looks desperate to rolefish on the other hand. As with Sakura, no, I'm not a day rolecop.Navizel wrote:
Is that question directed to me or SNB? I feel like it's directed to SNB.Zexion wrote:
Or do you already know what role is he? Looks more like you're desperate to keep him alive.
Why try-hard make baseless accusations on anyone? Other than RVS reaction fishing, that is (which yours quite frankly weren't).Zexion wrote:
So tell me, from which other player could I have scumhunted? Or accused?
Vote: Zexion
I'm rescinding my vote on SNB
unvote
I'm now casting my vote onto Zexion, general deflection and accusing people just because of simply ignoring accusations,
unvote
I'm now casting my vote onto Zexion, general deflection and accusing people just because of simply ignoring accusations,
forgot to cast vote kek
vote Zexion
vote Zexion
That is L-1 i believe.
Topic Starter
Vote Count 1.05
[3] Zexion -- Hika, Static Noise Bird, Ace Timing
[2] Hika -- Drezi, Zexion
[2] sLaiNi -- Navizel, Sakura
[1] Navizel -- sLaiNi
[0] -[Jess]- --
[0] Ace Timing --
[0] Drezi --
[0] Sakura --
[0] Static Noise Bird --
[0] No Lynch -
Not Voting -- -[Jess]-
With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.
Deadline is July 3 at 3:30PM CST (GMT-6). This will be in 6.5 days if you view this three hours after it is posted.
[3] Zexion -- Hika, Static Noise Bird, Ace Timing
[2] Hika -- Drezi, Zexion
[2] sLaiNi -- Navizel, Sakura
[1] Navizel -- sLaiNi
[0] -[Jess]- --
[0] Ace Timing --
[0] Drezi --
[0] Sakura --
[0] Static Noise Bird --
[0] No Lynch -
Not Voting -- -[Jess]-
With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.
Deadline is July 3 at 3:30PM CST (GMT-6). This will be in 6.5 days if you view this three hours after it is posted.
Oh L-2, i sux at counting votes when i'm not a mod it seems XP