Sakura wrote:

sLaiNi wrote:

Null-townish:
Zexion (The only thing that does make me think about him is, that he just accepted my potential scumslip)

sLaiNi wrote:

It's like he knew for sure that it's impossible for me to be a scum. Still, I remember him writing one time that it "keeps bothering" him.

Scum Alert.
Scum Alert.

For one that thinks someone else know their alignment they're putting them as null-town.
Playstyle this game so far of both Slaini and Zexion has been fully reactive and the only person they've both scumhunted is Navizel, who turned out to be a PR.
Theory: Slaini and Zexion are in a scumteam and Zexion's the mastermind. And their designated mislynch was Navizel, who... SURPRISE!, is the person Zexion kept calling my attention to when i was arguing with him early game.

At this point i'd feel comfortable voting for either of the 2.

Sakura dear, you're giving me too much credit. Also its a pretty serious accusation that could severly damage town.

First of all, what evil plan could I have crafted? "Pretend you're newb and everything will go okay", "don't scumhunt at all". I mentioned Navizel early in game because you asked me for an active play (can't believe you still think I'm only being reactive).

Besides, what other player could I have talked about in the early game? Let's go back:

SNB: 1 RV Post.
Drezi: 1 Post, the list.
Sakura: Posting a lot
Navizel: Agreeing in every stance with you. (Like 3 posts or so)
Me

So tell me, from which other player could I have scumhunted? Or accused?

What you bolded about Slaini's post is his opinion, and I had nothing to do with that. You're just taking the first thing you can in order to come back to me to paint me as scum, which you have done about... three times now?

Sakura wrote:

who turned out to be a PR.

So you're confirming it just because he did a shady claim? A claim he told us to even interpret as we wished?

Navizel wrote:

Static Noise Bird wrote:

So, are you claiming? You could claim, you didn't say you did. Need to be specific, can't take risks.

I think that's up for you to decide. Even if it is, would you believe it?

Or do you already know what role is he? Looks more like you're desperate to keep him alive.

Hika wrote:

Okay? Should I specify that I have personal problems that restrict me from wanting to play mafia right now?
I don't think I should have to say that.

I'm thinking about looking for a replacement. If not, I'll answer all questions I have received.

Post V/LA then. We can't read your mind and know what's happening in your real life. If there's something wrong that doesn't let you play, just say you can't because IRL Issues and we'll all understand that. Its better that saying "I'm not in the mood of answering questions".

I don't know why you think im accusing YOU of the bolded, but the only players that know the alignment of others are scum (as of right now at least), So Slaini putting you as null town while saying you know for certain he's town is not supposed to raise any flags for me?.

Re: PR. If you're both scum, then that means Navi's town so I assume he's telling the truth (in what world would i know he's a PR or not even if i were scum? it's not like i'm a day rolecop).

Except that's not what you did, i kept arguing you and you kept saying "Why are you not looking at this thing here Navizel's doing" or "Look at what Navizel's doing!" like trying to shift my attention from you onto Navizel (And it worked!). It's not about what other player you could have accused, but about the fact that you kept trying to shift my attention to Navizel's posts.

Actually i just went through your ISO and noticed you only looked at Navizel because I asked you to... I remembered things wrong oops.

Ah well, Slaini's still scum tho.

Navizel wrote:

Static Noise Bird wrote:

So, are you claiming? You could claim, you didn't say you did. Need to be specific, can't take risks.

I think that's up for you to decide. Even if it is, would you believe it?

Zexion wrote:

Or do you already know what role is he? Looks more like you're desperate to keep him alive.

Is that question directed to me or SNB? I feel like it's directed to SNB.

Zexion wrote:

Sakura dear, you're giving me too much credit. Also its a pretty serious accusation that could severly damage town.

First of all, what evil plan could I have crafted? "Pretend you're newb and everything will go okay", "don't scumhunt at all". I mentioned Navizel early in game because you asked me for an active play (can't believe you still think I'm only being reactive).

Besides, what other player could I have talked about in the early game? Let's go back:

SNB: 1 RV Post.
Drezi: 1 Post, the list.
Sakura: Posting a lot
Navizel: Agreeing in every stance with you. (Like 3 posts or so)
Me

So tell me, from which other player could I have scumhunted? Or accused?

I seriously don't like the way you word things here.

On another note, I looked at Slaini's ISO and I'm still doubting his reason for the scumslip. His first reason was he used a subjunctive mood to express his thoughts. He didn't mention the language error until Zexion mentioned it. I'm just not convinced even let's say it's a newbie mistake.

Back from Terminator and sleepworld, checking out things.

sLaiNi wrote:

Sakura wrote:

If anything this explanation just makes it worse, what's the point of voting someone if they shouldn't feel threatened by your vote?

To actually vote for them to get lynched? Might not be the smartest way, but I see it'll be better to vote who you aren't sure about.

So as question: Would you say it's smarter to not vote who you think is 100% scum, but instead vote someone who you aren't sure about, yet, to see their reactions?

Bruh.

Sakura wrote:

Playstyle this game so far of both Slaini and Zexion has been fully reactive and the only person they've both scumhunted is Navizel, who turned out to be a PR.
Theory: Slaini and Zexion are in a scumteam and Zexion's the mastermind. And their designated mislynch was Navizel, who... SURPRISE!, is the person Zexion kept calling my attention to when i was arguing with him early game.

At this point i'd feel comfortable voting for either of the 2.

You asked for reasonings about the townreads on you and the posts like this are exactly the reason. Well reasoned descriptive posts that have potential to turn out true.

Also reflecting the note after my reads' list, this could be what I thought of there, too. Jess seems more like a careful newbie, Ace is someone who I still obviously can't get much of an opinion on, so that would leave the potential scumteam to Slaini and Zexion.

Navizel wrote:

Zexion wrote:

Or do you already know what role is he? Looks more like you're desperate to keep him alive.

Is that question directed to me or SNB? I feel like it's directed to SNB.

It might be directed at me, but I don't know how do I look to be desperate to keep you alive. Zexion looks desperate to rolefish on the other hand. As with Sakura, no, I'm not a day rolecop.

Zexion wrote:

So tell me, from which other player could I have scumhunted? Or accused?

Why try-hard make baseless accusations on anyone? Other than RVS reaction fishing, that is (which yours quite frankly weren't).

Vote: Zexion

I'm rescinding my vote on SNB
unvote

I'm now casting my vote onto Zexion, general deflection and accusing people just because of simply ignoring accusations,

forgot to cast vote kek
vote Zexion

That is L-1 i believe.

Vote Count 1.05


[3] Zexion -- Hika, Static Noise Bird, Ace Timing
[2] Hika -- Drezi, Zexion
[2] sLaiNi -- Navizel, Sakura
[1] Navizel -- sLaiNi
[0] -[Jess]- --
[0] Ace Timing --
[0] Drezi --
[0] Sakura --
[0] Static Noise Bird --


[0] No Lynch -
Not Voting -- -[Jess]-
With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

Deadline is July 3 at 3:30PM CST (GMT-6). This will be in 6.5 days if you view this three hours after it is posted.

Oh L-2, i sux at counting votes when i'm not a mod it seems XP

L-2 then

Its 7:30am and I just got out of bed. I will eat berreakfast and then answer to everything.

Good morning to everyone btw

Navizel wrote:

Navizel wrote:

I think that's up for you to decide. Even if it is, would you believe it?

Zexion wrote:

Or do you already know what role is he? Looks more like you're desperate to keep him alive.

Is that question directed to me or SNB? I feel like it's directed to SNB.

Neither of you. It was directed towards Sakura: her believing so much in Navizel's claim despite how shady it was, I actually agree with SNB in this post.

So yeah SNB I didn't actualy ask you anything. Sorry if that seemed confusing.

SNB wrote:

Zexion wrote:

So tell me, from which other player could I have scumhunted? Or accused?

Why try-hard make baseless accusations on anyone? Other than RVS reaction fishing, that is (which yours quite frankly weren't).

You don't get the idea here. Sakura is saying that I was only directing her attention towards Navizel, but what else could have I done? Obviously I wouldn't make baseless acusations on someone, which is way I could only point stuff at Navizel this early in game. Or at least that's what I tried to tell.

Ace Timing wrote:

I'm rescinding my vote on SNB
unvote

I'm now casting my vote onto Zexion, general deflection and accusing people just because of simply ignoring accusations,

Quality content here.

When I have ever deflected a question?

"Acussing people of simply ignoring acusations". And do you think ignoring acusations is actually something good?

Your vote just proves that you're not even trying to get into the game and you just hop in the current wagon. It's not our fault you arrived late, you know.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

It's pretty late right now so I'm off to sleep, I really hope I don't get lol-lynched because of misunderstandings.

*breakfast
Being on mobile phone

CalignoBot wrote:

[3] Zexion -- Hika, Static Noise Bird, Ace Timing
[2] Hika -- Drezi, Zexion
[2] sLaiNi -- Navizel, Sakura
[1] Navizel -- sLaiNi
[0] -[Jess]- --
[0] Ace Timing --
[0] Drezi --
[0] Sakura --
[0] Static Noise Bird --


[0] No Lynch -
Not Voting -- -[Jess]-
With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

This wagon composition makes me sad.

Zexion
Hika's a gut townread, SNB's just nullish, and Ace is like "wtf did you suddenly appear to vote there?!"
Hika
I mainly dislike the fact Zexion's there, aside from having a gut townread on Hika.

So...
I'm probably horribly wrong on my reads.

I also dislike the fact that after all this i still only have 3 townreads, and one of them is only because "Claimed something that will die tonight, so idc"

When all else fails, let's push a lurker!
Unvote
Vote: Ace
Besides that vote was horrible.

Still not liking Slaini, but Ace's ninja vote just gives me all kinds of bad feelings.

What I don't understand is that you're pushing stuff like this:

Sakura wrote:

[@slaini's RVS]If anything this explanation just makes it worse, what's the point of voting someone if they shouldn't feel threatened by your vote?

Sakura wrote:

and the only person they've both scumhunted is Navizel, who turned out to be a PR.
Theory: Slaini and Zexion are in a scumteam and Zexion's the mastermind. And their designated mislynch was Navizel, who... SURPRISE!, is the person Zexion kept calling my attention to when i was arguing with him early game.

While you seem to completely ignore Hika, and how she game me an almost perfect town score out of NOTHING after I voted her, pulling this "good, good all according to my scumhunting masterplan" why of course, I mean seriously now, it's the most blatant buddying I've seen.

Also

Sakura wrote:

https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/4281118 I still hold Hika that unlike everyone else, she spotted a scumslip and voted it immediately, so her actions match her words.

What the hell, obviously she's going to vote if there's a scumslip, isn't "word's match her actions" it's the most natural thing in this case not a feat to highlight??

As for that said she claimed she wouldn't vote Zexion and would wait for him to post more, and then an hour later just voted him anyway, which looked rather opportunistic to me, given that the Navi wagon just started to fall apart.

So yeah, I don't think your Sliani vote is bad overall, but I'm surprised that you think it's the strongest angle you can push here..

And now when all else fails let's push a lurker? Duh.

Yeah, Drezi that's the point, it's the most natural thing... everyone else was screaming "SCUMSLIP" yet never voted Slaini.
Tbh i haven't read everyone's posts in depth, like Hika's or SNB's, and Hika's posts are quite long and i get tired everytime i try to read them @_@
Can you give me a concise bullet point reasons of why you think she's scum? Something like.

- She's saying this, while actually it happened like this.
- She's doing this, but she said this.
- The way she did this, shows that she's scum, because X.

Short and easy to understand.

Oh wait, you said at the end of your post =_=
I really need to stop replying before i finish reading posts.

Bah, whatever, I hope this is correct.
Unvote
Vote: Hika
Im really not in the mood to analyze stuff right now, since it's 1 am and im too tired.

Sakura wrote:

Yeah, Drezi that's the point, it's the most natural thing... everyone else was screaming "SCUMSLIP" yet never voted Slaini.

If we really wanna hand out town or scumpoints here (which I think is rather weak anyway) then you could say that scum is most desperate to start a wagon with a legit reason, others didn't rush it)

Sakura wrote:

Can you give me a concise bullet point reasons of why you think she's scum? Something like.

- She's saying this, while actually it happened like this.
- She's doing this, but she said this.
- The way she did this, shows that she's scum, because X.

I think I outlined my reasons already? Unless you expect a page long case study day1 to place a vote when it comes to Hika?

I think i'm mostly tired.
I tried to re-read this morning and pretty much got lazy when the Hika vs Zexion debate started, then i was pretty sure Slaini was scum, then after checking the wagons i ended up with way too many reasons to vote almost everyone, and i realized i was going wrong somewhere, so i went with the one that weirded me out the most, which was Ace voting Zexion while parroting SNB, then you come to convince me to re-analyze Hika, and im too tired right now, so i decided to sheep you.

And now i realize that Zexion's also voting Hika..
I don't even know what to do anymore.

Sakura wrote:

Mastin wrote:

It’s well-known knowledge that the average scum ratio is 20-33%. If you think a player is more likely than that to be scum, you vote them.

That's exactly what I did there. Navizel was suspicious to me, so I voted him. So Mastin is rather supporting me, i guess.

[Taking a quick coffee before answering the rest]

Drezi, what's your read on Zexion? I don't remember if you pointed this out earlier or not.

I posted about him, I had him as leaning town before and it's sinking to nullish, but still on the town side if I had to choose I guess?

Current Reads:
Town:
Slaini

Null:
Everyone else.

Ace Timing wrote:

Current Reads:
Town:
Slaini

Null:
Everyone else.

Could you explain why I am town for you?

lold

what makes sliani alone town?

Ace Timing wrote:

Current Reads:
Town:
Slaini

Null:
Everyone else.

So you dont even have a scumread on Zexion?

Sakura wrote:

I don't know why you think im accusing YOU of the bolded, but the only players that know the alignment of others are scum (as of right now at least), So Slaini putting you as null town while saying you know for certain he's town is not supposed to raise any flags for me?.

It's not exactly like that. It's rather that I said, that he acted LIKE he knew for sure that I was town. That was the reason I didn't put him full-town instead.

There are other things on that reads list that dont make sense with your actions and words...

Sakura wrote:

There are other things on that reads list that dont make sense with your actions and words...

Then ask me out ^^

sLaiNi wrote:

Sakura wrote:

There are other things on that reads list that dont make sense with your actions and words...

Then ask me out ^^

Not you, Ace's

sLaiNi wrote:

Then ask me out ^^

I think it should be the other way around.

Jk what you meant is "ask me out" literally in my native language too ^^

I gotta admit, that was the first impression i got when i read that, but then when i saw the quote i noticed he wanted me to ask him about it.
Either way, thing is, i have issues with Ace's read list, so the comment wasn't directed at Slaini.

Drezi wrote:

sLaiNi wrote:

Then ask me out ^^

I think it should be the other way around.

Jk what you meant is "ask me out" literally in my native language too ^^

Ahh I understand now

Yes, in German "Jemanden ausfragen" (to ask someone any question to a specific topic) would be translated to "to ask [fragen] someone [jemanden] out [aus]"

Dunno about Ace, I'm kinda thinking about him as an anomaly still stuck in the RVS stage or something.

I think i should stay off this game until i wake up tomorrow, coz right now i feel like i want to hit someone.
I mean that reads posts was so bad im at a loss for words.
Unvote
Vote: Ace
Back here.
Maybe i'll sheep you again on Hika tomorrow or not, pending on Ace's replies.

Sakura wrote:

I gotta admit, that was the first impression i got when i read that, but then when i saw the quote i noticed he wanted me to ask him about it.
Either way, thing is, i have issues with Ace's read list, so the comment wasn't directed at Slaini.

Exactly, as i thought you were talking about my reads.

But yes, it just is not understandable for Ace to put me as town, despite the fact that the discussion is going the over way around. Also his Vote on Zexion is pretty much just parroting.

It reminds me of my first post. Not something I'd try to make a case over

Sakura wrote:

I think i should stay off this game until i wake up tomorrow, coz right now i feel like i want to hit someone.
I mean that reads posts was so bad im at a loss for words.
Unvote
Vote: Ace
Back here.
Maybe i'll sheep you again on Hika tomorrow or not, pending on Ace's replies.

If you really are going to go to sleep now, I wish you a good night then ^^

Drezi wrote:

It reminds me of my first post. Not something I'd try to make a case over

Yes, he probably didn't read the whole conversation yet. So he's just writing some nonesense so he doesn't get kicked off, I guess.

Ace Timing wrote:

I'm rescinding my vote on SNB
unvote

I'm now casting my vote onto Zexion, general deflection and accusing people just because of simply ignoring accusations,

Ace Timing wrote:

forgot to cast vote kek
vote Zexion

Ace Timing wrote:

Current Reads:
Town:
Slaini

Null:
Everyone else.

I'll just just now put these quotes together, if you can't see it, then i'll explain it tomorrow.

Sakura wrote:

Ace Timing wrote:

I'm rescinding my vote on SNB
unvote

I'm now casting my vote onto Zexion, general deflection and accusing people just because of simply ignoring accusations,

Ace Timing wrote:

forgot to cast vote kek
vote Zexion

Ace Timing wrote:

Current Reads:
Town:
Slaini

Null:
Everyone else.

I'll just just now put these quotes together, if you can't see it, then i'll explain it tomorrow.

Anyone could explain it before it's tomorrow for Sakura? Don't want to wait that long.

Do you mean it looks, like he's scum with me and trying to "save" his scumpartner?

I meant the for the goodnight post, I guess you're being polite but it can be seen as trying to get on Sakura's good side since she scumread you.

Ace Timing is just doing random whatever like we've seen some new people do in previous games, and it turned out to be non alignment indicative, I reeeeally don't think we should be obsessing with it, when there's actual legit cases to look at.

Drezi wrote:

I meant the for the goodnight post, I guess you're being polite but it can be seen as trying to get on Sakura's good side since she scumread you.

Ace Timing is just doing random whatever like we've seen some new people do in previous games, and it turned out to be non alignment indicative, I reeeeally don't think we should be obsessing with it, when there's actual legit cases to look at.

Ah okay, I understand now. It's just that I feel like, despite this being a game where we all are potential enemies, we should be polite to the person sitting in front of the desktop

Still, I think the same about AceTiming, as he didn't reason himself. Let's wait for that to happen.

welp,i am here now

Sakura wrote:

@Jess: This post: p/4280276 indicates you read the debate between me and Zexion (and i guess Navi) why didn't you comment on anything that happened and why did you vote Slaini when there was plenty other info to go on?

I though it was still in RVS at that time.

will answer another question later, i need to eat my dinner

I don't really like Ace Timing's post. He didn't even explain his reads. Why is Slaini town and Zexion null?

welp,i am here now 2.0

Sakura wrote:

Also what part of Slaini has been "contributing"?

i don't seen a part he has been "contributing"

I just stand from his point of view to think

----------------------------------
Here is my read after i make notes and think:

Town:
Sakura
[She seen to contributing(It just my view)]
Zexion
Drezi
Null:
Slaini
(I am still a bit of suspects of you)
SNB
Hika
Scum:
Ace Timing
(he posts make no any sense at all)

If I don't explain that is just my feels

Remember :It is just me views

-[Jess]- wrote:

Town:
Sakura
[She seen to contributing(It just my view)]
Zexion
Drezi
Null:
Slaini
(I am still a bit of suspects of you)
SNB
Hika
Scum:
Ace Timing
(he posts make no any sense at all)

Could you please elaborate on why do you townread Zexion? Also where is Navi on your list?

Going to read more now, think I've missed a page or two again, and see if there's anything I can comment on.

Sakura wrote:

Ace Timing wrote:

I'm rescinding my vote on SNB
unvote

I'm now casting my vote onto Zexion, general deflection and accusing people just because of simply ignoring accusations,

Ace Timing wrote:

forgot to cast vote kek
vote Zexion

Ace Timing wrote:

Current Reads:
Town:
Slaini

Null:
Everyone else.

I'll just just now put these quotes together, if you can't see it, then i'll explain it tomorrow.

Oh wow. Fuck. Think the scumteam might not be Zexion/Slaini anymore. I'll hold my vote till tomorrow morning though (or tonight, depending on how long can I force myself to stay up) since I want to see what Hika has to say about Drezi and Sakura's posts and more importantly what Ace has to say.

Sakura wrote:

I also dislike the fact that after all this i still only have 3 townreads, and one of them is only because "Claimed something that will die tonight, so idc"

Assuming Drezi is the second, who is the third one and why?

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Could you please elaborate on why do you townread Zexion? Also where is Navi on your list?

i can't , it just my silly thought

and about Navi...

i will put him on null

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Oh wow. Fuck. Think the scumteam might not be Zexion/Slaini anymore. I'll hold my vote till tomorrow morning though (or tonight, depending on how long can
Assuming Drezi is the second, who is the third one and why?

I pretend you are talking about Ace being scumteam with me. If that's the case: Don't you think it's a bit hastily to react like this to something, which seems like pure random vote / random read.

Hmmm.. Why would you add someone on your townlist because of a silly thought? It doesn't make sense to me. Also, could you give more reasons and explain your reads?

My post above is directed to Jess btw.

Just a note to you guys, I'm not making a random read here, I'm not an idiot. I maybe a newbie, but I'm intelligent enough to read the ISOs. Please don't assume I'm an idiot stuck in RVS. There's a reason that Slaini is the only one in my townlist, and there is also a reason why I don't feel the need to elaborate. Does making sudden reads make you scum? Is this how the game is played? Do scum always act irrational and unpredictably? No. Do you know why? Because of the nature of their win condition. Scum are the ones who play the game the most carefully, because they are the one's most in danger. So please guys don't just go "hurr durr read didn't make sense he's scum".
kek.

Ace Timing wrote:

Just a note to you guys, I'm not making a random read here, I'm not an idiot. I maybe a newbie, but I'm intelligent enough to read the ISOs. Please don't assume I'm an idiot stuck in RVS. There's a reason that Slaini is the only one in my townlist, and there is also a reason why I don't feel the need to elaborate. Does making sudden reads make you scum? Is this how the game is played? Do scum always act irrational and unpredictably? No. Do you know why? Because of the nature of their win condition. Scum are the ones who play the game the most carefully, because they are the one's most in danger. So please guys don't just go "hurr durr read didn't make sense he's scum".
kek.

Didn't expect an answer like this though.

So you mean, there are also reasons, that you won't explain your votes?

You know that with what you said, you just invalidated any reason for thinking your town for "not being careful" right?
However, the reason i presented those quotes was different it's not "no they dont make sense" it's "the fact that they dont go with your actions".
Also ftr i've been awake for a while and reading, but i wanted to get more people to comment on my post as a reaction test of sorts, i fully intended to explain it as soon as i woke up, however, when i saw slaini's comment on my post i decided to run it as some sort of reaction test, but more on that later first...

In Ace's reads list he only has Slaini as town, the rest as null, while your vote has been on SNB then to Zexion. "But Sakura why is this a problem?", tell me, why would you even move your vote from a nullread to a nullread?, 2 reasons, 1 you townread the person you're currently voting, 2, you scumread the person you switched your vote onto.

From Ace's post, you would think he'd be scumreading Zexion, however, Zexion doesn't appear anywhere as scum, "But Zexion could still be a null read Sakura!" Then why move the vote off SNB?, one would think because SNB became a townread.... which SUPRISE! it's also absent from his town list.

Then also: Slaini's reply to "So she's probably saying that i'm scum!" makes me think he's self-conscious if he thinks that would involve him as a scumspect. I mean really, why would i even bother quoting Ace's unvote and vote if it was just about him putting Slaini as a townread?.

Anyway, as I was saying earlier, Ace just says "This is my idea of how a town and scum play would differ" So if he's scum he knows that's how a town would play and can perfectly fake it, just as anyone that's self-aware of their own town and scum meta. Making his whole "ERMAGAWD GUYS LOOK IM DOING THIS TOWNIE THINGS BECAUSE SCUM WOULD PLAY LIKE THIS INSTEAD" entirely null.

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Assuming Drezi is the second, who is the third one and why?

You're corrent on Drezi, the 3rd was Hika... at the time, im still not sure what to think, because Drezi's poitns also make sense.

Sakura wrote:

tell me, why would you even move your vote from a nullread to a nullread?, 2 reasons, 1 you townread the person you're currently voting, 2, you scumread the person you switched your vote onto.

From Ace's post, you would think he'd be scumreading Zexion, however, Zexion doesn't appear anywhere as scum, "But Zexion could still be a null read Sakura!" Then why move the vote off SNB?, one would think because SNB became a townread.... which SUPRISE! it's also absent from his town list.

Then also: Slaini's reply to "So she's probably saying that i'm scum!" makes me think he's self-conscious if he thinks that would involve him as a scumspect. I mean really, why would i even bother quoting Ace's unvote and vote if it was just about him putting Slaini as a townread?.

You're very close to my true intentions, but you're off a bit. Here's a little hint. My vote on Slaini wasn't a townread, but it also wasn't a scum read. I didn't pick Slaini arbitrarily, but it didn't have to be him. Have fun

So basically your post tells us nothing... just a bunch of WIFOM.

I've also been wondering something for a little while now, why would me putting Slaini in my "townread" put me and him as a team of scum?
This question is particularly aimed towards you SNB.

Ace it's good and all if it makes sense in your head, but your not playing your own game, you need to show some results and tell us about some of your conclusions eventually, otherwise we don't really have much to work with regarding you. Because even if your intentions are good, we have no way to tell, and no reason to trust you based on you only telling us to chill out and that you know what you're doing.

Sakura wrote:

And now i realize that Zexion's also voting Hika..
I don't even know what to do anymore.

Why is this a surprise? Heck, I explained this posts ago and I think my reason was at least valid.

Also people are not townreading me because of my wording, yeah I think I'm a little too harsh with words sometimes but... I think that's the way I play.

sLaiNi wrote:

Sakura wrote:

I don't know why you think im accusing YOU of the bolded, but the only players that know the alignment of others are scum (as of right now at least), So Slaini putting you as null town while saying you know for certain he's town is not supposed to raise any flags for me?.

It's not exactly like that. It's rather that I said, that he acted LIKE he knew for sure that I was town. That was the reason I didn't put him full-town instead.

Huh? I don't even remember me claiming you were town. For the Nth time, it was the way you worded your "scumsplip" that caught my attention and I thought it could have been some words making sense in german but being suspicious in english. Please don't make me repeat this again.

Drezi wrote:

I meant the for the goodnight post, I guess you're being polite but it can be seen as trying to get on Sakura's good side since she scumread you.

Just to add a litltle off-game thing here, we're not exactly a happy family in this game, its like we suspect each other so its not exactly the place to build friendships. Of course, what happens in mafia stays in mafia so outside its all good ^_^

Navizel wrote:

I don't really like Ace Timing's post. He didn't even explain his reads. Why is Slaini town and Zexion null?

This was already asked at that time. Why are you repeating questions? Ace didn't post since the list until now so its not like he was evading the question or something.

Ace Timing wrote:

Sakura wrote:

tell me, why would you even move your vote from a nullread to a nullread?, 2 reasons, 1 you townread the person you're currently voting, 2, you scumread the person you switched your vote onto.

From Ace's post, you would think he'd be scumreading Zexion, however, Zexion doesn't appear anywhere as scum, "But Zexion could still be a null read Sakura!" Then why move the vote off SNB?, one would think because SNB became a townread.... which SUPRISE! it's also absent from his town list.

Then also: Slaini's reply to "So she's probably saying that i'm scum!" makes me think he's self-conscious if he thinks that would involve him as a scumspect. I mean really, why would i even bother quoting Ace's unvote and vote if it was just about him putting Slaini as a townread?.

You're very close to my true intentions, but you're off a bit. Here's a little hint. My vote on Slaini wasn't a townread, but it also wasn't a scum read. I didn't pick Slaini arbitrarily, but it didn't have to be him. Have fun

Oh you. You think you're some sort of quizmaster and we have to discover your thoughts to win a prize? Your post is basically useless as you don't feel like explaining the reasoning behind your actions. Doing so only hurts town because we are unable to view things like you do and draw new conclussions. Also no one is saying you're an idiot or something like that (let's not get offensive) but rather, how your actions doesn't seem to fit at this stage of the game.

Also "Have fun"... really?

If your playstyle is basically the same as Hika (i.e. "I am developing my scumhunt plan but for the moment I'll keep it to myself") that will just bring you trouble. Just sayin'.

Oh wait, in fact, it's the same. We can wait until Hika says a bit more.

Unvote

Vote: Ace Timing

I did something similar in my first game (I was a town doc) and I ended up having SNB think I'm scum, because I did not consider that even though what I'm doing makes sense to me, the others have no way to tell that I'm doing it for town purposes and it's not scum doing their scumstuff.

I have a similar issue that my scumhunting tends to only make sense to myself, the difference is that i actually am usually transparent on my thoughts (the usually meaning, barring setup stuff or reaction tests), and ppl have even gotten to calling my logic, moon logic nowadays, kinda frustrating @_@

Zexion wrote:

Just to add a litltle off-game thing here, we're not exactly a happy family in this game, its like we suspect each other so its not exactly the place to build friendships.

Actually if scum decides to give up themselves, we can offer them amnesty, and we can chill out here together, and live a happy long life on our little town, without all the bloodshed? How about that?

Drezi wrote:

Zexion wrote:

Just to add a litltle off-game thing here, we're not exactly a happy family in this game, its like we suspect each other so its not exactly the place to build friendships.

Actually if scum decides to give up themselves, we can offer them amnesty, and we can chill out here together, and live a happy long life on our little town, without all the bloodshed? How about that?

Did you know that's actually a thing? Usually after a certain ammount of phases with no deaths games end on Happy Ever After or smth, where it's a draw.

lol i never heard of that

Zexion wrote:

If your playstyle is basically the same as Hika (i.e. "I am developing my scumhunt plan but for the moment I'll keep it to myself") that will just bring you trouble. Just sayin'.

Oh wait, in fact, it's the same. We can wait until Hika says a bit more.

In fact Hika is the reason why I'm keeping my thoughts to myself but whatever. He's been gone for a little while now. Wonder what happened with him anyway.

Ace Timing wrote:

Sakura wrote:

tell me, why would you even move your vote from a nullread to a nullread?, 2 reasons, 1 you townread the person you're currently voting, 2, you scumread the person you switched your vote onto.

From Ace's post, you would think he'd be scumreading Zexion, however, Zexion doesn't appear anywhere as scum, "But Zexion could still be a null read Sakura!" Then why move the vote off SNB?, one would think because SNB became a townread.... which SUPRISE! it's also absent from his town list.

Then also: Slaini's reply to "So she's probably saying that i'm scum!" makes me think he's self-conscious if he thinks that would involve him as a scumspect. I mean really, why would i even bother quoting Ace's unvote and vote if it was just about him putting Slaini as a townread?.

You're very close to my true intentions, but you're off a bit. Here's a little hint. My vote on Slaini wasn't a townread, but it also wasn't a scum read. I didn't pick Slaini arbitrarily, but it didn't have to be him. Have fun

So you took someone, who is already suspected of being scum. That way you could see how the others react, e.g. starting a wagon right away?

Does that come close?

*Add:

You took someone who is suspected of being scum and then you pretend to be his partner.

kekerino
Reads (legit this time):

Town:
Slaini
Drezi

Null-town:
Hika
Zexion

Null-scum:
Sakura
Navizel

Scum:
SNB

Jesus, I always forget...
Static Noise Bird

God I'm retarded
Vote Static Noise Bird

Ace Timing wrote:

God I'm retarded
Vote Static Noise Bird

I really don't get your way of thinking, which makes it much more interesting, though.

Forgot the quote, I didn't mean to quote your vote there.

Vote Count 1.06


[2] Ace Timing -- Sakura, Zexion
[2] Zexion -- Hika, Static Noise Bird
[1] Hika -- Drezi
[1] Navizel -- sLaiNi
[1] sLaiNi -- Navizel
[1] Static Noise Bird -- Ace Timing
[0] -[Jess]- --
[0] Drezi --
[0] Sakura --



[0] No Lynch -
Not Voting -- -[Jess]-
With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

Deadline is July 3 at 3:30PM CST (GMT-6).

Ace Timing wrote:

kekerino
Reads (legit this time):

Town:
Slaini
Drezi

Null-town:
Hika
Zexion

Null-scum:
Sakura
Navizel

Scum:
SNB

YES! FINALLY! SOMEONE THAT SCUMREADS ME!
Now we can get things interesting, but i suppose you have an explanation for each of those reads?

what makes you happy about a scumread?

I get better reads when i'm scumread.

Actually nevermind, that still doesn't change the fact that it's just one person.

You see in the past i used to get wagoned a lot, so i learned to scumhunt from the reasons and ways people scumread me, this still hasn't changed but if for example only 1 person scumreads me, then i may, or may not get an accurate read there, because i have no one else to compare it to. Also people scumreading me for the sake of scumreading me so i have better reads wouldn't work either because part of that way of scumhunting would be to be able to see what's fake and what isn't... so... nevermind.

Point taken.

The reason why I am (currently) convinced that SNB is scum is that when I made that earlier read, he immediately thought that me and Slaini were a scum team. There was no real reason he should think so, so therefore, he must of been a scum trying to get me or Slaini lynched. Still can figure out what Hika is, as he hasn't been on in awhile. I honestly forgot why Sakura is null-scum. I'll probably remember, but I came up with these after seeing the responses to the read I made earlier. I picked Slaini simply because he was suspected of a scumslip earler on, and I was already kind of inclined to believe he was town. Kek.

^ I'd like to let SNB react to this first if possible.

Ace Timing wrote:

The reason why I am (currently) convinced that SNB is scum is that when I made that earlier read, he immediately thought that me and Slaini were a scum team. There was no real reason he should think so, so therefore, he must of been a scum trying to get me or Slaini lynched. Still can figure out what Hika is, as he hasn't been on in awhile. I honestly forgot why Sakura is null-scum. I'll probably remember, but I came up with these after seeing the responses to the read I made earlier. I picked Slaini simply because he was suspected of a scumslip earler on, and I was already kind of inclined to believe he was town. Kek.

No reason why am I null-scum?

Navizel wrote:

earlier. I picked Slaini simply because he was suspected of a scumslip earler on, and I was already kind of inclined to believe he was town. Kek.

No reason why am I null-scum?[/quote]
Same reason, I looked at your reactions to my read. You didn't really respond to it at all. You just repeated what was already mentioned and how it didn't mesh well with you. You had very little involvement, which I took as suspicious, but could not use as evidence to you being scum, so therefore I just left you as null-scum.

Lel didn't check formatting

Ace Timing wrote:

I picked Slaini simply because he was suspected of a scumslip earler on, and I was already kind of inclined to believe he was town. Kek.

>Someone scumslips
>HE MUST BE TOWN!

12/10 Logic right there.

However, it's not faulty logic, from experience scumslips come more often from town than from scum, i don't get how a supposed newbie would pick up on something like that however.

Ace Timing wrote:

Navizel wrote:

earlier. I picked Slaini simply because he was suspected of a scumslip earler on, and I was already kind of inclined to believe he was town. Kek.

No reason why am I null-scum?

Same reason, I looked at your reactions to my read. You didn't really respond to it at all. You just repeated what was already mentioned and how it didn't mesh well with you. You had very little involvement, which I took as suspicious, but could not use as evidence to you being scum, so therefore I just left you as null-scum.[/quote]

Tunnel vision, eh? It seems to me that you are only looking to posts that involves you. Did you bother looking at other posts cause I'm pretty sure I'm not just parroting the whole game.

Haha goddammit quotes

Ace Timing wrote:

The reason why I am (currently) convinced that SNB is scum is that when I made that earlier read, he immediately thought that me and Slaini were a scum team. There was no real reason he should think so, so therefore, he must of been a scum trying to get me or Slaini lynched. Still can figure out what Hika is, as he hasn't been on in awhile. I honestly forgot why Sakura is null-scum. I'll probably remember, but I came up with these after seeing the responses to the read I made earlier. I picked Slaini simply because he was suspected of a scumslip earler on, and I was already kind of inclined to believe he was town. Kek.

Excuse me, exactly when did I EVER say that you and Slaini were a scumteam? SLAINI drew that conclusion from my "Zexion/Slaini might not be the scumteam any more" comment. I'm not even going to ask you why would that instantly translate to me being a scum even if it was true - as far as I know you two have been highly questionable through the entire game. See this is yet another reason for why you're probably a scum, or so very scummy, at least. Here you're seen putting Slaini's words into my mouth, and making an overly paranoiac analysis from them, your possible scumpartner's words (there, now I said it myself) - a true scum in their natural habitat. Do you have a scum daychat where you can plan this stuff or something? Kek.

Vote: Ace Timing

Reading more now.

Oh by the way I want a votecount @mod. I don't know whether Ace has 2 or possibly 4 votes. Let's avoid derphammering as well as possible.