Ayu wrote:

Disgusting.

Desperate-kun wrote:

This map is far from being polished enough to get ranked yet. Instead of complaining about how picky the ranking criteria is, you should increase your personal standards to improve the overall quality of this map. Ask yourself if everything makes sense with the music and is nice to play, if yes this map will also fit the ranking criteria and quality standards of the QAT in order to get ranked.

To list only a few of the many major issues you may want to adress before thinking about ranking this:

- emphasis due to jump usage is often poor, important beats are left without a jump pretty often, examples: 01:56:550 (1) - 02:50:550 (1) - 03:26:550 - I am honest. I don't really get what you mean. Do i HAVE to make a jump there? Cause i didn't really feel like making one there. The second one is reasonable tho and i fixed that.
- stream spacings often change randomly, for example 00:57:750 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - I know a map should be consistent, but i just want to make it varied a bit. I do know that the music doesn't change a lot between these parts, but it is not like that stream is completely wrong. I like to vary the distance snap sometimes. I hope this is okay and i can leave it as it is, since i like it like that.
- the highly spaced streams often change angles drastically at unfitting places, for example 05:46:425 - 05:51:150 - I am like on of a few people, who can actually FC all the streams and trust me, if you learn how to aim spaced streams, edges and drastically changed directions are hellalot of fun. I know it is not 100% fitting to the music, but it is the same reason as with the different spacings. I just like to vary some things. I hate monotonous streams. It is just way more fun to have some nice movement while streaming.
- the NCing is inconsistent and random I tried making them reasonable. I don't really know which ones you mean exactly. I think this is somehow subjective, but i could be wrong.
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This map is interesting, now get more mods to make it ready before having it bubbled.

Tassadar wrote:

Random mod from a bad mapper, I don't think this will be helpful, just some random suggestions from looking over this map and playing the first half a couple of times (mostly in the streams, not great with jumps).

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00:31:350 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Perhaps change this into 3 sliders 2 circles or 4 circles 2 sliders (like the other patterns) for consistency's sake? This pattern seems a bit out of place. For the sake of consistency!!! I changed it!
00:54:750 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - It's about the same sound as 00:45:150 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) but the pattern is much more spaced. It does feel a bit more intense, but not enough to warrant that kind of spacing imo. Or space out the other stream a bit more. decreased the spacing a bit.
01:15:000 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - Space this out a little more and move it off the repeat slider? I don't really see a reason for that tbh.
01:19:950 (9,10,11,12,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - This part feels a bit awkward to play as there is a pretty big gap and sudden change in direction. That was on purpose actually.
02:02:550 (6,7,8,9) - Spacing again. It's in a lot of places, I'll try and point out as much as I can. It's not that big a deal, but it looks and plays a bit wonky when the spacing is suddenly much smaller. Explained above on Desperate-Kun's suggestions.
02:46:650 (5,6,7,8) - ^
02:45:000 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - ^
03:18:750 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - ^
03:23:400 (6,7,8,9) - ^
04:34:667 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - This pattern looks interesting, but a bit ugly... try and make it a bit more like 04:52:314 (7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14) ? I think you tried to make the same kind of pattern, but did it much better in the latter. I changed it a bit, but not because of its looks. I changed the little jump onto another circle to match the music better.

Lots of awkward turns in the spaced streams like Desperate-kun said. I'll try and point out some of the weirder ones.
05:13:200 (11,12,13,14,15) - Things like this appear often, not going to write this for every one. While it follows the general direction - which should play okay - the one note out of the flow makes it seem like a bit of an abrupt/awkward turn. These should probably be polished up a little.
05:17:250 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16) - The spacing is heavily reduced here. I agree that there should be a reduction in spacing, but this feels like a bit too heavy a reduction in spacing. Perhaps space it out a little more?
05:25:650 (8,9,10,11,12,13) - This is fine, but it might play/look a bit better if spaced out more.
05:30:975 (8,9,10,11) - Not that awkward, but I think you can change the position of these circles to make it flow better rather than changing direction slightly.
05:32:400 (11,12,13,14,15,16,1) - Not sure about this. It might be okay, but to me it looks like this whole pattern plays a bit odd. Perhaps add a few 1/4 sliders to change direction rather than the circular motion here?
05:35:850 (9,10,11,12) - This one isn't so much of an issue in playability, but probably should be polished, too.
05:43:650 (4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5) - Same as 05:17:250 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16)
05:49:275 (12,13,14,15,16) - This stream as a whole feels a bit odd, but I think this section in particular will cause a lot of breaks. Perhaps the same stuff with 1/4 sliders?
05:51:075 (4,5,6) - The 5 feels very out of place. Same with the 4 in 05:52:200 (3,4,5) and in 05:53:700 (7,8,9) . These are the more extreme examples that I talked about in 05:13:200 (11,12,13,14,15) but this time the notes being talked about could even just be removed (and the stream extended one note).
06:07:650 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - Same kind of stuff as 05:43:650 (4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5) . Perhaps space it out a little more?
06:23:250 (5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16) - ^
07:09:750 (13) - Not sure about this turn.
07:13:275 (12,13,14,15,16,1) - Same kind of thing with 1/4 sliders, especially the turn in 07:13:575 (16,1) .
07:14:325 (10) - Weird turn again.

I feel like the only people complaining about sharp turns in streams are the ones, who cannot play them. Don't take this as an offense, please. I really don't want to change ANYTHING about these spaced streams. They are really fun like they are now. They are meant to be difficult and have some turns and edges. As i said above, I am one of a few, who can play spaced streams really well. I can even FC these streams (even with hardrock i did it ALMOST) and sharp turns in spaced streams make me orgasm. I really refuse to change the spaced streams. Sorry. If this is a big issue to get this map ranked, then I would rather prefer it to get graved rather than changing it.

Though this is a long mod, most of these are just nit-picky things/suggestions. The stream spacing isn't too big of an issue, it might just be more aesthetically pleasing/flow better if some of them are more consistently spaced. The awkward turns are the only real issue in playability I could come across - the spacing by itself already makes it extremely challenging to the very best, the awkward turns just makes it frustrating.
All of that being said, this was a really, really fun map to play, even if a tad unpolished. I really do hope this does get ranked (if I didn't like this map, I wouldn't mod it) and this is one of my maps of 2015 so far. Best of luck in getting it ranked!
(Also someone please mod some of the spacing outside the streams that I'm too inexperienced to see pls)

1. CS 5 pls (jk :p)
2. 00:32:100 (5,6) - and 00:32:850 (3,4) - Make the spacing larger, create a jump to make it more consistent. It would feel and play better since the player would be able to predict it without a problem and follow the music.
3. 00:56:550 (8,9,10) - This looks "meh". May i suggest something different? http://puu.sh/i7Fw0/523d5c19a8.jpg then uu.sh/i7FwT/866c3b2206.jpg. 11 is stacked on the end of 8, curved the stream to make a smoother transition.
4. 00:57:750 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,1,2,3,4,5,6) - I don't understand these changes on the stream spacing, the song's intensity doesn't change, try to make it more consistent.
5. 01:04:650 (7,1,2,3) - Flow can improve here, it feels forced. Ctrl+g and ctrl+h would work nicely on the triple, then position the pattern like this: http://puu.sh/i7GbL/ad601beabb.jpg
6. 01:07:050 (6,7,8,9) - Make this stream slightly curved, to make it flow better and look better. http://puu.sh/i7FWB/a0f621ff00.jpg
7. 01:15:000 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - There is no need to stack the last notes, it only cunfuses the player (me :p). You can make the spacing on the stream smaller to avoid it.
8. 01:20:400 (12,1) - This 1/4 jump is evil, it doesn't flow well enough to be ok. I seriusly think you should remake this part to avoid it.
9. 01:31:050 (4,5,6) - The triple should be where 4 is, listen more closely. http://puu.sh/i7GBY/fbab59b6b1.jpg
10. 01:37:200 (12) - This is not needed and doesn't play well imo, it's enough with just a circle.
11. 01:54:000 (12,1,2,3,4) - Align this better so it flows better.
12. 02:15:900 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - This doesn't follow the music, rhythm should be 3 triples http://puu.sh/i7H72/c73a652148.jpg . I strongly recommend that you change it, imo how it is now doesn't feel well.
13. 02:25:500 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Same ^
14. 02:33:300 (9,10,11,12,13) - Flow can improve, try: http://puu.sh/i7Hx4/f7c2295b77.jpg
15. 03:41:850 (5) - I think this slider would flow better if you ctrl+g it, then put it around 464, 88
16. 03:45:900 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Same as the other ones, feels very forced T.T
17. 03:48:000 (1) - Flow feels forced here too, try positioning it like this http://puu.sh/i7I4i/5323d00931.jpg to make it smoother and to keep consistent with the jumps.
18. 03:55:500 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - D:, and if you decide to not change this sections, for some reason, the transition here 03:56:250 (6,7) - feels really bad, make 6 lead to 7 in a smoother way.
19. 04:16:650 (5) - Ctrl+g this, it would give a nice effect to the cursor movement, goes nicely with the sound you're following.
20. 04:17:400 (8) - This can flow better, right now is too sharp. Try this: http://puu.sh/i7IvB/7b0717c281.jpg
21. 04:19:950 (6) - Why do you force these 1/4 sliders where there's not sound? A circle would work just as good and not be overmapped.
22. 04:39:079 (2,3) - Switch these on the timeline, would make a nice back and forth flow. Then maybe reduce this jump 04:39:255 (3,4) - , but it would be ok i think even without making it shorter.
23. 04:44:550 (1,2,3) - Why are these repeats? Try using this rhythm http://puu.sh/i7JdS/ea8daf2798.jpg the last one finishes on blue tick for the drum. Pattern suggestion: http://puu.sh/i7Jn2/c3f8f4dc63.jpg and http://puu.sh/i7Jo0/29b09e909b.jpg
24. Skipped the crazy guitar solo section, i can't even attept to play it :/. I'll just say that it's a bit too messy in some parts and that the stream shapes are too irregular. It somewhat fits though :p.
25. 06:00:900 (3) - Make this shorter, to the white tick to follow the guitar better, and remove the soft sampleset.
26. 06:02:100 (9) - Same.
27. 06:03:150 (5) - Curve it to make it lead to next stream a bit better.
28. 06:05:250 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Wow
29. 06:52:500 (6,7) - Bad flowbreak, make 6 lead to the stream or move the stream.
30. 07:02:550 (8,9,10) - It would play better if 8 was part of the stream, turn it into 2 circles.
31. 07:14:250 (9,10,11) - These little things you do with your streams dont play good, try to avoid doing that.
32. 07:20:550 (10,11) - Rotate these -90 degrees with selection center as origin, it would make the flow nicer .

Atsuro wrote:

Hey, mod as requested
It will be a "quick" check.

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1. CS 5 pls (jk :p)
2. 00:32:100 (5,6) - and 00:32:850 (3,4) - Make the spacing larger, create a jump to make it more consistent. It would feel and play better since the player would be able to predict it without a problem and follow the music. fixed
3. 00:56:550 (8,9,10) - This looks "meh". May i suggest something different? http://puu.sh/i7Fw0/523d5c19a8.jpg then uu.sh/i7FwT/866c3b2206.jpg. 11 is stacked on the end of 8, curved the stream to make a smoother transition. changed
4. 00:57:750 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,1,2,3,4,5,6) - I don't understand these changes on the stream spacing, the song's intensity doesn't change, try to make it more consistent. Since so many people pointed out exactly this part, I guess i really have to change it.
5. 01:04:650 (7,1,2,3) - Flow can improve here, it feels forced. Ctrl+g and ctrl+h would work nicely on the triple, then position the pattern like this: http://puu.sh/i7GbL/ad601beabb.jpg Changed it
6. 01:07:050 (6,7,8,9) - Make this stream slightly curved, to make it flow better and look better. http://puu.sh/i7FWB/a0f621ff00.jpg okay
7. 01:15:000 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - There is no need to stack the last notes, it only cunfuses the player (me :p). You can make the spacing on the stream smaller to avoid it. Since somebody else also suggested it, I'm gonna change it^^
8. 01:20:400 (12,1) - This 1/4 jump is evil, it doesn't flow well enough to be ok. I seriusly think you should remake this part to avoid it. I think this is fine now. I changed the order of them.
9. 01:31:050 (4,5,6) - The triple should be where 4 is, listen more closely. http://puu.sh/i7GBY/fbab59b6b1.jpg okay :c
10. 01:37:200 (12) - This is not needed and doesn't play well imo, it's enough with just a circle. changed
11. 01:54:000 (12,1,2,3,4) - Align this better so it flows better. done
12. 02:15:900 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - This doesn't follow the music, rhythm should be 3 triples http://puu.sh/i7H72/c73a652148.jpg . I strongly recommend that you change it, imo how it is now doesn't feel well. fixed
13. 02:25:500 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Same ^ fixed
14. 02:33:300 (9,10,11,12,13) - Flow can improve, try: http://puu.sh/i7Hx4/f7c2295b77.jpg done
15. 03:41:850 (5) - I think this slider would flow better if you ctrl+g it, then put it around 464, 88 done. Also ctrl+g'd 6
16. 03:45:900 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Same as the other ones, feels very forced T.T It is not forced. I just didn't listen to the music carefully enough.
17. 03:48:000 (1) - Flow feels forced here too, try positioning it like this http://puu.sh/i7I4i/5323d00931.jpg to make it smoother and to keep consistent with the jumps. I think this is good as it is now.
18. 03:55:500 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - D:, and if you decide to not change this sections, for some reason, the transition here 03:56:250 (6,7) - feels really bad, make 6 lead to 7 in a smoother way. I changed them^^
19. 04:16:650 (5) - Ctrl+g this, it would give a nice effect to the cursor movement, goes nicely with the sound you're following. okay
20. 04:17:400 (8) - This can flow better, right now is too sharp. Try this: http://puu.sh/i7IvB/7b0717c281.jpg fixed
21. 04:19:950 (6) - Why do you force these 1/4 sliders where there's not sound? A circle would work just as good and not be overmapped. okay
22. 04:39:079 (2,3) - Switch these on the timeline, would make a nice back and forth flow. Then maybe reduce this jump 04:39:255 (3,4) - , but it would be ok i think even without making it shorter. done
23. 04:44:550 (1,2,3) - Why are these repeats? Try using this rhythm http://puu.sh/i7JdS/ea8daf2798.jpg the last one finishes on blue tick for the drum. Pattern suggestion: http://puu.sh/i7Jn2/c3f8f4dc63.jpg and http://puu.sh/i7Jo0/29b09e909b.jpg I kinda like it as it is now^^
24. Skipped the crazy guitar solo section, i can't even attept to play it :/. I'll just say that it's a bit too messy in some parts and that the stream shapes are too irregular. It somewhat fits though :p.
25. 06:00:900 (3) - Make this shorter, to the white tick to follow the guitar better, and remove the soft sampleset. done
26. 06:02:100 (9) - Same. done
27. 06:03:150 (5) - Curve it to make it lead to next stream a bit better. okay
28. 06:05:250 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Wow <3
29. 06:52:500 (6,7) - Bad flowbreak, make 6 lead to the stream or move the stream. fixed
30. 07:02:550 (8,9,10) - It would play better if 8 was part of the stream, turn it into 2 circles. done
31. 07:14:250 (9,10,11) - These little things you do with your streams dont play good, try to avoid doing that. They play very well, trust me. Spikes in streams are VERY fun, imo.
32. 07:20:550 (10,11) - Rotate these -90 degrees with selection center as origin, it would make the flow nicer . okay

This still needs more polish and mods to be ready, it's really fun but it can be better with some more work and mods.
GL

1. Legendary
2. Relentless
3. Ceaseless
4. Vindictive
5. Maybe some synonyms or words pertaining to being relentless, which match the title and lyrics of the song about persisting onward despite all the chaos etc. etc. Just some ideas really!

1. 00:26:550 (1,2,3,4) - How about spacing them like all your patterns before?
2. 00:28:950 (1,2,3,4) - Pattern improvement suggestion if you're interested:
   
   
   

   127,179,28950,6,8,P|145:232|133:280,1,105,14|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
   49,235,29250,1,10,0:3:0:0:
   224,300,29400,2,0,P|192:352|148:368,1,105,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
   39,139,29700,1,0,0:0:0:0:

3. 00:30:450 (3) - How about moving this to 312||165 to blanket slider 6? It would totally match your next pattern with 00:31:650 (3,6) - . Since you wanted to emphasize 4 with a jump, how about moving slider 4 a bit more to the left 00:30:300 (2,4) - to blanket circle 2 as well? Would improve the overall structure here at little cost.
4. 00:32:250 (6,1) - I feel like you should try and emphasize the finish on 1 with a larger jump. This DS is especially small compared to similar patterns.
5. 00:32:850 (3,4) - Here too, I feel like a larger jump is more appropriate since you mapped a larger jump with: 00:30:450 (3,4) - and 00:31:650 (3,4) - too.
6. 00:36:600 (4,5,6) - I hate to say this because of how you've set up this pattern, but the jump from 4>5 doesn't really emphasize anything whereas slider 6 actually maps to a strong beat where a jump would make more sense.
7. 00:39:150 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,2) - Would be cool if you could get this stream to blanket slider 2 since it seems like that was your intention here at some point.
8. 00:41:100 (2,3,4,5) - How about CtrlG'ing this rhythm? Triplets feel better when they end on a white tick than on a red tick. Alternatively you could make this a 5x stream if you want, since there's a drum beat on 00:41:175 -
9. 00:43:350 (6) - The guitarist emphasizes this note so maybe increase the spacing from 5>6? You could try stacking the slider-end of 6 with circle 4. Creates a nice circular flow and gets rid of slider-body overlap.
10. 00:50:850 (2,3,4) - Same issue as brought up earlier about triplets ending on red ticks. Here too, theres a drum beat at 00:50:775 - so having a stream following the slider would be more natural imo.
11. 01:02:550 (6,7,8) - You should have a larger jump from 7>8 imo to emphasize the guitar here., Something like 01:05:250 (4,5) - is nice ;o.
12. 01:09:300 (3,8) - How about making them parallel.
13. 01:20:100 (10,11) - How about swapping them in time line to keep momentum? Since the streams right before here are rather spaced, and there are streams coming after. As it currently is, I feel players will lose momentum playing this pattern because of how closely spaced the kicksliders (basically 1/2 circles) currently are. Increasing the spacing this way will still achieve that circular flow you were creating here.
14. 01:23:475 - Circle here for triplet?
15. 01:51:450 (9,1) - Would be nice if you increased the spacing here slightly to for better emphasis onto 1. I recommend moving 9 to 125||222 and reblanketting 7. Would look a bit neater too.
    
    Reference

    
16. 01:52:650 (8,6) - Ehh, fix this stack?
17. 01:59:550 (3,7) - Fix this stack too?
18. 02:06:300 (2,3) - If you listened to my point earlier, swap these two sliders too. Same reasoning.
    02:11:850 (5) - Ctrl+G'ing this would definitely improve the flow, but it might hurt the sliders that come after. Perhaps you have another idea here? Either ways flow could be improved from 4>5 imo.
19. 02:22:800 (10,1) - Blanket?
20. 02:38:850 (2,4) - Make them parallel?
21. 02:42:450 (1) - Remove NC
22. 02:53:550 (3) - 104||31 Looks nicer. Creates a linear pattern with slider 1 and slider 2's tail.
23. 03:08:400 (1) - I feel like NC should be on 03:08:550 (2) - ...
24. 03:10:200 (3,4) - Maybe increase spacing here a bit to emphasize the vocals.
25. 03:12:150 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18) - This is a really large combo. You seem to switch from 2/1 and 1/1 measure NC's here. Maybe it wouldn't hurt to NC on 03:13:350 (8) - and 03:10:950 (7) - But this is up to you~.
26. 03:22:500 (7,8) - Stacking them really hurts the momentum you've built up. Jump instead?
27. 03:26:550 (1,3) - Nazi stack.
28. 03:32:550 (6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6) - I fear this pattern might be unnecessarily difficult to read because of the amount of overlaps.
    
    Here's something I made that I think still captures what you were intending to create here:

    
    

    436,4,212850,6,0,L|364:12,1,62.9999980773926,4|0,3:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
    292,124,213000,2,0,L|354:117,1,62.9999980773926
    452,34,213150,2,0,L|380:42,1,62.9999980773926,4|0,3:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
    276,154,213300,2,0,L|338:147,1,62.9999980773926,0|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
    468,61,213450,2,0,L|396:69,1,62.9999980773926,4|0,3:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
    260,183,213600,2,0,L|322:176,1,62.9999980773926,8|0,3:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:

    03:36:150 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - This arrangement seems rather random to me. Is there any way you can improve your note placement here? There's a break right after here so it wouldn't hurt to rework this pattern a bit. Maybe arrange the sliders to form a pentagon? Or have them be parallel again like above^
29. 03:40:350 (7) - I feel like this should be a circle since there's an audible triplet that begins at 03:40:500 - .
30. 03:42:750 (8) - Here too, there's a very clear triplet that I would encourage you to map instead of using so many 1/2 sliders here.
31. 03:45:150 (8) - ^ Ehh. Man, you really neglect these triplets huh . I won't mention more since it seems to be a trend, but mapping the would really benegit your rhythm choice here imo because it helps bridge the gap between your 1/2 slider spam earlier like say 03:53:550 (3,4,5,6,7) - and your kick slider usage at
32. 03:55:500 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - . I understand you're following the guitar, but adding the triplets could really add to rhythm diversity in this section.
33. 04:08:850 (3,4,5) - This doesn't really flow too well imo.
    
    How about something like this?

    
34. 04:10:950 (1,3,5) - Since structure is a growing issue with quality nowadays, How about making the distance in between the blankets of these sliders the same?
    
    Like this

    
    

    364,128,250950,6,0,P|336:84|284:72,1,105,6|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
    256,288,251250,1,2,0:3:0:0:
    436,198,251400,2,0,P|460:150|456:98,1,105,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
    188,220,251700,1,0,0:0:0:0:
    402,291,251850,2,0,P|455:294|510:264,1,105,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:

35. 04:16:650 (5,6) - You should really increase the DS here because there is a strong emphasis on 6.
36. 04:29:902 (6,7,8) - These jumps are unnecessarily large imo They don't really fit the music. You don't have jumps nearly this large anywhere else in this section.
37. 05:05:100 (12,1) - Larger spacing here too? You're going to be playing those kick sliders like circles anyways, so the spacing actually decreases entering into 1, even though the guitar is emphasized on 1.
38. 05:08:250 (3) - How about 1/4 slider instead? Since there's another note on 05:08:400 - . And it seems like you're following the guitar so omitting this note would be weird.
39. 05:10:050 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) - Can you make the spacing here more consistent? 05:10:050 (1,2,3) - Is noticeably larger than 05:10:350 (4,5,6) -
40. 05:15:600 (6,7,8,9,10,1) - How about increasing spacing here to be consistent with the spacing of the stream right before it? Since there's no shift in the music that would denote a shift in spacing. (I know this is minor, but it helps with general aesthetics and improves quality)
41. 05:19:650 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Here too. It would be nice if you could make them more consistent. Like stacking both or spacing them both.
42. 05:42:450 (8) - NC here instead?
43. 05:43:200 (1) - Remove from here
44. 05:43:650 (4) - NC here instead.
45. 05:44:100 (1) - And remove here. I think this NC pattern will fit your rhythm better, since now everything begins on a measure and aligns with a new measure: following the guitar.
46. 05:51:075 (4,5,6) - This is a biiit sharp of an angle. I think people will have trouble with this and/or bring it up in future mods. Would it hurt to make the angle just slightly less sharp? At least make it like 120 degrees like what you did with 05:52:200 (3,4,5) - . This is already pushing it but since there's no overlap its still acceptable imo.
47. 05:59:250 (1,2,3,4) - How about making them parallel? I don't see a reason for them to be in that particular angle.
48. 06:09:150 (1) - Remove NC here, random lol.
49. 06:10:650 (9,10,11,12) - Yes yes yessss Do more of these!!!
50. 06:23:250 (5) - NC here since you're switching from following the vocals to following the drums.
51. 06:25:650 (9) - NC Since your NC rhythm here seems to be 1/1 instead of 2/1 (I think 1/1 first better too, since you used 2/1 earlier for the less-intense section. It's more intense now).
52. 06:30:300 (9) - NC Same reason^
53. 06:31:575 (15) - ^
54. 06:35:250 (8) - NC
55. 06:35:100 (7,8,9) - Also here, your spacing is a bit weird tbh. You want 8 to be the most spaced, to emphasize the start of the new line in the vocals (also cymbals) but you put a huge jump from 8>9 even though 9 isn't a strong beat at all . Here's a suggestion that will improve this spacing a bit.
    
    How about something like this.

    
56. 06:36:150 (1) - Remove NC
57. 06:36:450 (5) - NC This is when the vocal stars.
58. 06:40:050 (9) - NC
59. 06:40:800 (1) - Remove NC
60. 06:41:250 (2) - NC
61. 06:43:650 (9) - NC should be here. 06:43:950 (1) - Remove it from here.
62. 06:44:100 (2,3) - This is a bit sharp imo. You could improve the flow by rotating slider 3, like around 30-45 degrees. The jump makes sense but flow could be improved.
    
    Might be a bit hard to see, but I did something like this:

    
63. 06:44:550 (4,6) - Obligatory blanket fix.
64. 06:45:900 (3,4) - How about increasing spacing here for emphasis on the vocals?
    
    Stacking the slider-end would be cool here too

    
65. 06:45:600 (1,4) - Oh also, NC should be on 4. Remove it from 1.
66. 07:05:100 (6,7) - Increase spacing to emphasize vocals please?
67. 07:05:250 (7) - Also,. NC
68. 07:19:650 (8) - NC. You're going over 2 measures already.
69. 07:22:050 (16) - NC
70. 07:23:850 (1) - Remove NC
71. 07:24:375 (3) - NC
72. 07:26:100 (9,10) - Could increase spacing here to emphasize the bassdrum on 10.
73. 07:28:500 (9,10,11,1) - Imo this flow could be improved.
    
    How about stacking 10/11 on 5/6

    
74. 07:30:150 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - Could improve this flow a bit. As well as emphasize the guitar on slider 6 and drums on 7. How about this: Ctrl+G 07:30:450 (6,7) - And then Ctrl+G 7 again after.
75. 07:35:250 (9,10) - Blankets contribute to overall quality .
76. 07:36:450 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - Wooow nice. My only complaint is that the first set isn't perfectly blanketted but that's just me being a nazi.
77. 07:42:000 (10) - Ctrl+G and also 07:42:300 (12) - Ctrl+G I think this motion would flow really nice.
78. 07:49:275 - There's like a note here you could stack on the head of your last slider if you want. Weird to omit it (unless this was supposed to be mapped to the spinner, in which case it's not snapped right lol).

monstrata wrote:

As requested~ Most of the issues i brought up here can be fixed relatively easily. They were all pointed out to improve the overall quality of this map before it goes into qualified. Please, please message me in game if you have questions or anything .

Also, some suggestions for alternative diff names, since people don't seem happy about an AR 9.6 CS 4 "Legend" map .

1. Legendary
2. Relentless
3. Ceaseless
4. Vindictive
5. Maybe some synonyms or words pertaining to being relentless, which match the title and lyrics of the song about persisting onward despite all the chaos etc. etc. Just some ideas really!

Alright, lets get started: Great wall of China incoming.

[Legend]

1. 00:26:550 (1,2,3,4) - How about spacing them like all your patterns before?
2. 00:28:950 (1,2,3,4) - Pattern improvement suggestion if you're interested:
   
   
   

   127,179,28950,6,8,P|145:232|133:280,1,105,14|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
   49,235,29250,1,10,0:3:0:0:
   224,300,29400,2,0,P|192:352|148:368,1,105,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
   39,139,29700,1,0,0:0:0:0:

3. 00:30:450 (3) - How about moving this to 312||165 to blanket slider 6? It would totally match your next pattern with 00:31:650 (3,6) - . Since you wanted to emphasize 4 with a jump, how about moving slider 4 a bit more to the left 00:30:300 (2,4) - to blanket circle 2 as well? Would improve the overall structure here at little cost.
4. 00:32:250 (6,1) - I feel like you should try and emphasize the finish on 1 with a larger jump. This DS is especially small compared to similar patterns.
5. 00:32:850 (3,4) - Here too, I feel like a larger jump is more appropriate since you mapped a larger jump with: 00:30:450 (3,4) - and 00:31:650 (3,4) - too.
6. 00:36:600 (4,5,6) - I hate to say this because of how you've set up this pattern, but the jump from 4>5 doesn't really emphasize anything whereas slider 6 actually maps to a strong beat where a jump would make more sense.
7. 00:39:150 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,2) - Would be cool if you could get this stream to blanket slider 2 since it seems like that was your intention here at some point.
8. 00:41:100 (2,3,4,5) - How about CtrlG'ing this rhythm? Triplets feel better when they end on a white tick than on a red tick. Alternatively you could make this a 5x stream if you want, since there's a drum beat on 00:41:175 -
9. 00:43:350 (6) - The guitarist emphasizes this note so maybe increase the spacing from 5>6? You could try stacking the slider-end of 6 with circle 4. Creates a nice circular flow and gets rid of slider-body overlap.
10. 00:50:850 (2,3,4) - Same issue as brought up earlier about triplets ending on red ticks. Here too, theres a drum beat at 00:50:775 - so having a stream following the slider would be more natural imo.
11. 01:02:550 (6,7,8) - You should have a larger jump from 7>8 imo to emphasize the guitar here., Something like 01:05:250 (4,5) - is nice ;o.
12. 01:09:300 (3,8) - How about making them parallel.
13. 01:20:100 (10,11) - How about swapping them in time line to keep momentum? Since the streams right before here are rather spaced, and there are streams coming after. As it currently is, I feel players will lose momentum playing this pattern because of how closely spaced the kicksliders (basically 1/2 circles) currently are. Increasing the spacing this way will still achieve that circular flow you were creating here.
14. 01:23:475 - Circle here for triplet?
15. 01:51:450 (9,1) - Would be nice if you increased the spacing here slightly to for better emphasis onto 1. I recommend moving 9 to 125||222 and reblanketting 7. Would look a bit neater too.
    
    Reference

    
16. 01:52:650 (8,6) - Ehh, fix this stack?
17. 01:59:550 (3,7) - Fix this stack too?
18. 02:06:300 (2,3) - If you listened to my point earlier, swap these two sliders too. Same reasoning.
    02:11:850 (5) - Ctrl+G'ing this would definitely improve the flow, but it might hurt the sliders that come after. Perhaps you have another idea here? Either ways flow could be improved from 4>5 imo.
19. 02:22:800 (10,1) - Blanket?
20. 02:38:850 (2,4) - Make them parallel?
21. 02:42:450 (1) - Remove NC
22. 02:53:550 (3) - 104||31 Looks nicer. Creates a linear pattern with slider 1 and slider 2's tail.
23. 03:08:400 (1) - I feel like NC should be on 03:08:550 (2) - ...
24. 03:10:200 (3,4) - Maybe increase spacing here a bit to emphasize the vocals.
25. 03:12:150 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18) - This is a really large combo. You seem to switch from 2/1 and 1/1 measure NC's here. Maybe it wouldn't hurt to NC on 03:13:350 (8) - and 03:10:950 (7) - But this is up to you~.
26. 03:22:500 (7,8) - Stacking them really hurts the momentum you've built up. Jump instead?
27. 03:26:550 (1,3) - Nazi stack.
28. 03:32:550 (6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6) - I fear this pattern might be unnecessarily difficult to read because of the amount of overlaps.
    
    Here's something I made that I think still captures what you were intending to create here:

    
    

    436,4,212850,6,0,L|364:12,1,62.9999980773926,4|0,3:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
    292,124,213000,2,0,L|354:117,1,62.9999980773926
    452,34,213150,2,0,L|380:42,1,62.9999980773926,4|0,3:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
    276,154,213300,2,0,L|338:147,1,62.9999980773926,0|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
    468,61,213450,2,0,L|396:69,1,62.9999980773926,4|0,3:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
    260,183,213600,2,0,L|322:176,1,62.9999980773926,8|0,3:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:

    03:36:150 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - This arrangement seems rather random to me. Is there any way you can improve your note placement here? There's a break right after here so it wouldn't hurt to rework this pattern a bit. Maybe arrange the sliders to form a pentagon? Or have them be parallel again like above^
29. 03:40:350 (7) - I feel like this should be a circle since there's an audible triplet that begins at 03:40:500 - .
30. 03:42:750 (8) - Here too, there's a very clear triplet that I would encourage you to map instead of using so many 1/2 sliders here.
31. 03:45:150 (8) - ^ Ehh. Man, you really neglect these triplets huh . I won't mention more since it seems to be a trend, but mapping the would really benegit your rhythm choice here imo because it helps bridge the gap between your 1/2 slider spam earlier like say 03:53:550 (3,4,5,6,7) - and your kick slider usage at
32. 03:55:500 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - . I understand you're following the guitar, but adding the triplets could really add to rhythm diversity in this section.
33. 04:08:850 (3,4,5) - This doesn't really flow too well imo.
    
    How about something like this?

    
34. 04:10:950 (1,3,5) - Since structure is a growing issue with quality nowadays, How about making the distance in between the blankets of these sliders the same?
    
    Like this

    
    

    364,128,250950,6,0,P|336:84|284:72,1,105,6|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
    256,288,251250,1,2,0:3:0:0:
    436,198,251400,2,0,P|460:150|456:98,1,105,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
    188,220,251700,1,0,0:0:0:0:
    402,291,251850,2,0,P|455:294|510:264,1,105,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:

35. 04:16:650 (5,6) - You should really increase the DS here because there is a strong emphasis on 6.
36. 04:29:902 (6,7,8) - These jumps are unnecessarily large imo They don't really fit the music. You don't have jumps nearly this large anywhere else in this section.
37. 05:05:100 (12,1) - Larger spacing here too? You're going to be playing those kick sliders like circles anyways, so the spacing actually decreases entering into 1, even though the guitar is emphasized on 1.
38. 05:08:250 (3) - How about 1/4 slider instead? Since there's another note on 05:08:400 - . And it seems like you're following the guitar so omitting this note would be weird.
39. 05:10:050 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) - Can you make the spacing here more consistent? 05:10:050 (1,2,3) - Is noticeably larger than 05:10:350 (4,5,6) -
40. 05:15:600 (6,7,8,9,10,1) - How about increasing spacing here to be consistent with the spacing of the stream right before it? Since there's no shift in the music that would denote a shift in spacing. (I know this is minor, but it helps with general aesthetics and improves quality)
41. 05:19:650 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Here too. It would be nice if you could make them more consistent. Like stacking both or spacing them both.
42. 05:42:450 (8) - NC here instead?
43. 05:43:200 (1) - Remove from here
44. 05:43:650 (4) - NC here instead.
45. 05:44:100 (1) - And remove here. I think this NC pattern will fit your rhythm better, since now everything begins on a measure and aligns with a new measure: following the guitar.
46. 05:51:075 (4,5,6) - This is a biiit sharp of an angle. I think people will have trouble with this and/or bring it up in future mods. Would it hurt to make the angle just slightly less sharp? At least make it like 120 degrees like what you did with 05:52:200 (3,4,5) - . This is already pushing it but since there's no overlap its still acceptable imo.
47. 05:59:250 (1,2,3,4) - How about making them parallel? I don't see a reason for them to be in that particular angle.
48. 06:09:150 (1) - Remove NC here, random lol.
49. 06:10:650 (9,10,11,12) - Yes yes yessss Do more of these!!!
50. 06:23:250 (5) - NC here since you're switching from following the vocals to following the drums.
51. 06:25:650 (9) - NC Since your NC rhythm here seems to be 1/1 instead of 2/1 (I think 1/1 first better too, since you used 2/1 earlier for the less-intense section. It's more intense now).
52. 06:30:300 (9) - NC Same reason^
53. 06:31:575 (15) - ^
54. 06:35:250 (8) - NC
55. 06:35:100 (7,8,9) - Also here, your spacing is a bit weird tbh. You want 8 to be the most spaced, to emphasize the start of the new line in the vocals (also cymbals) but you put a huge jump from 8>9 even though 9 isn't a strong beat at all . Here's a suggestion that will improve this spacing a bit.
    
    How about something like this.

    
56. 06:36:150 (1) - Remove NC
57. 06:36:450 (5) - NC This is when the vocal stars.
58. 06:40:050 (9) - NC
59. 06:40:800 (1) - Remove NC
60. 06:41:250 (2) - NC
61. 06:43:650 (9) - NC should be here. 06:43:950 (1) - Remove it from here.
62. 06:44:100 (2,3) - This is a bit sharp imo. You could improve the flow by rotating slider 3, like around 30-45 degrees. The jump makes sense but flow could be improved.
    
    Might be a bit hard to see, but I did something like this:

    
63. 06:44:550 (4,6) - Obligatory blanket fix.
64. 06:45:900 (3,4) - How about increasing spacing here for emphasis on the vocals?
    
    Stacking the slider-end would be cool here too

    
65. 06:45:600 (1,4) - Oh also, NC should be on 4. Remove it from 1.
66. 07:05:100 (6,7) - Increase spacing to emphasize vocals please?
67. 07:05:250 (7) - Also,. NC
68. 07:19:650 (8) - NC. You're going over 2 measures already.
69. 07:22:050 (16) - NC
70. 07:23:850 (1) - Remove NC
71. 07:24:375 (3) - NC
72. 07:26:100 (9,10) - Could increase spacing here to emphasize the bassdrum on 10.
73. 07:28:500 (9,10,11,1) - Imo this flow could be improved.
    
    How about stacking 10/11 on 5/6

    
74. 07:30:150 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - Could improve this flow a bit. As well as emphasize the guitar on slider 6 and drums on 7. How about this: Ctrl+G 07:30:450 (6,7) - And then Ctrl+G 7 again after.
75. 07:35:250 (9,10) - Blankets contribute to overall quality .
76. 07:36:450 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - Wooow nice. My only complaint is that the first set isn't perfectly blanketted but that's just me being a nazi.
77. 07:42:000 (10) - Ctrl+G and also 07:42:300 (12) - Ctrl+G I think this motion would flow really nice.
78. 07:49:275 - There's like a note here you could stack on the head of your last slider if you want. Weird to omit it (unless this was supposed to be mapped to the spinner, in which case it's not snapped right lol).

Well, I hope this will help improve the quality of your mapset. I can see some issues with NC'ing. I only noticed about half way through though, so please feel free to poke me in game after youve gone through this mod and I can recheck for NC issues through IRC . Good luck with ranking this map Doko .

Nozhomi wrote:

Hi~ M4M from request in-game.
I'll do my best since I'm not comfortable with fast map.

- Relentless :

1. 00:25:050 (6) - If you look at all your other pattern before this one, you can see there is a problem here. I think you should CTRL+J for get the flow like other and let player on a pattern he follow from the start. Pretty small issue, but k.
2. 00:29:700 (4,5) - This spacing is way too huge for the start of this new part. You should let player get used to this rhythm change, even this one 00:34:500 (4) - have a lower spacing. So nerf it. okay
3. 00:46:200 (3) - Align it with 00:45:750 (1,2) - so move it to 448:300. done
4. 00:57:600 (4) - I know you want to keep this symetry, but this spacing make it so inconsistant with 00:57:000 (2) - who is just the same. Move it to 460:276 to fix it. Nah. i really wanna keep that symmertry.
5. 01:03:000 (8,9) - I don't know what do you think about it but a reverse slider whould fit more when I listen it. Also would fix this breakflow kinda hard due to the straight slider. following the vocals here.
6. 01:04:200 (5,6,7) - Spacing should be constant between these 3 objects. pretty nazi, but okay. fixed it.
7. 01:21:075 (8,9,10,11,12,13,14) - This curve on stream could be smoother imo. It is a stright line into a curve
8. 01:23:700 (2,3) - This breakflow play very badly because you force player an unnatural movement to the right follow by a curved one who change the direction too hard. Try something like this http://puu.sh/i8Sz4/b8b29ef761.jpg. I think it is fine as it is tbh.
9. 01:41:700 (6) - CTRL+G it. If you look it finish atm on the left, so it can lead to an easy break too the big jump with next slider. okay.
10. 01:46:725 (1,1,1,1) - I don't see the point to NC them, nor increase spacing here. The end of this part is not enough strong to allow this imo. Subjective imo. I like that fade out
11. 02:15:600 (10) - You forget NC. fixed
12. 02:19:050 (1) - Remove NC. done
13. 02:25:200 (9) - And add NC. done
14. 03:16:725 (1,1,1,1) - Same as 01:46:725 - .
15. 03:21:750 (1,2,3,4,5) - Wtf happend to your spacing here ???? It's inconsistant between them and other stream who use 0.8x. Fix it. I... I dunno ;w;
    
16. 03:45:600 (10) - NC. done
17. 03:52:350 (1) - Remove NC. done
18. 03:55:200 (9) - NC. done
19. 05:15:450 (5) - This part is already really hard, if you use this kind of breakflow you just make this worst and terrible. This part is like a full stream so should keep a continuous flow, but this one and 05:15:750 (8,9) - make it impossible and place a jump who should be used if next object was a slider. Last 05:15:450 (5,6,7,8,9) - looks like a random pattern imo. Try to focus on something more flow structured as pattern. What? It is structured oô
20. 06:43:350 (5,6,7,8) - A Curved stream could help to catch the movement of the next slider, because with this speed a straight slider make it hard to catch. Curved stream flows better, you are right.
21. 06:45:900 (12,1) - Would be pretty if was on center of this slider. It is distance snapped tho
22. 06:55:800 (2,3) - This jump is wrongly placed, should be between 06:55:950 (3,4) - imo. okay
23. 07:07:350 (4,1) - A stream who follow a quick reverse slider should be in the front on it, not under, because you just breakflow so much you force an unnatural movement who play really badly. What flow? You don't even move while holding a reverseslider. There is no flow/movement.
24. 07:34:500 (10) - CTRL+G it pls, just keep the smooth flow here, it's not the kiai anymore so you should keep easiers patterns. k

Overall your streams are unpolished and could be smoother constructed, and flow for certains parts are too rough for a map at this BPM with these settings. It should be more natural to have an enjoyable map. Also this map should have a break somewhere to let player some rest, a 7min map at 200 is really exhausting.
Good luck.
Mukyu~

Ayu wrote:

I'm surprised at how many people even bother

1. 05:48:975 (8,10) -
2. 05:51:675 (12) -
3. 05:51:675 (12) -
4. 05:52:275 (4) -
5. 05:53:775 (8) -

SPOILER

2015-06-02 16:49 Kotonoha: i left post on ur dragonforce map, i hope you find it helpful
2015-06-02 16:50 DoKito: oh. that was random
2015-06-02 16:50 DoKito: thank you
2015-06-02 16:59 DoKito: i think you are actually right. before everyone keeps complaining im just gonna change the streams and make the sharp turns at least on some strong beats.
2015-06-02 16:59 DoKito: thank you for your advice.
2015-06-02 17:04 Kotonoha: oh and also something i noticed now
2015-06-02 17:04 Kotonoha: the streams looks really unpolished because you kept grid snap on while placing the objects
2015-06-02 17:05 DoKito: isn
2015-06-02 17:05 DoKito: isnt that normal?
2015-06-02 17:05 Kotonoha: well puush isnt really letting me upload picture but 05:48:825 (6,7,8,9) -
2015-06-02 17:06 DoKito: i already changed that part
2015-06-02 17:06 Kotonoha: see the uneven how 6-7 is touching and 7-8 isnt
2015-06-02 17:06 Kotonoha: if you turn off grid snap and drag them out it will make always even spacing
2015-06-02 17:07 Kotonoha: and it will always make the spacing even*** wow english
2015-06-02 17:07 DoKito: wow
2015-06-02 17:07 DoKito: thanks for that hint. lol
2015-06-02 17:08 DoKito: that's quite helpful
2015-06-02 17:09 Kotonoha: yeah, grid snap on small always snap the object on places with 4 pixels between them so it's not very exact as having it turned off while making streams
2015-06-02 17:10 Kotonoha: you really only have to drag the objects out normalize them, its really fast but youll probaly have to do it with all of them to be sure
2015-06-02 17:10 Kotonoha: i hope it was helpful
2015-06-02 17:11 DoKito: it was
2015-06-02 17:11 DoKito: definitely

Kotonoha wrote:

Actually, the biggests complaints about the stream curving isnt because theyre there, it's because they turn on unfitting places. 05:46:425 (6) - why on a blue tick and not white like here 05:46:350 (5) - where theres actually a strong beat?

1. 05:48:975 (8,10) -
2. 05:51:675 (12) -
3. 05:51:675 (12) -
4. 05:52:275 (4) -
5. 05:53:775 (8) -

These are just from the stream section between 05:46:050 - and 05:55:650 -, you can find the rest of the awkward turns in the other sections yourself, rearranging the streams takes like 2 seconds and you can keep your curves and everyone happy

Edit: + A little IRC about making streams with grid snap turned off so theyre more polished and evenly spaced.

SPOILER

2015-06-02 16:49 Kotonoha: i left post on ur dragonforce map, i hope you find it helpful
2015-06-02 16:50 DoKito: oh. that was random
2015-06-02 16:50 DoKito: thank you
2015-06-02 16:59 DoKito: i think you are actually right. before everyone keeps complaining im just gonna change the streams and make the sharp turns at least on some strong beats.
2015-06-02 16:59 DoKito: thank you for your advice.
2015-06-02 17:04 Kotonoha: oh and also something i noticed now
2015-06-02 17:04 Kotonoha: the streams looks really unpolished because you kept grid snap on while placing the objects
2015-06-02 17:05 DoKito: isn
2015-06-02 17:05 DoKito: isnt that normal?
2015-06-02 17:05 Kotonoha: well puush isnt really letting me upload picture but 05:48:825 (6,7,8,9) -
2015-06-02 17:06 DoKito: i already changed that part
2015-06-02 17:06 Kotonoha: see the uneven how 6-7 is touching and 7-8 isnt
2015-06-02 17:06 Kotonoha: if you turn off grid snap and drag them out it will make always even spacing
2015-06-02 17:07 Kotonoha: and it will always make the spacing even*** wow english
2015-06-02 17:07 DoKito: wow
2015-06-02 17:07 DoKito: thanks for that hint. lol
2015-06-02 17:08 DoKito: that's quite helpful
2015-06-02 17:09 Kotonoha: yeah, grid snap on small always snap the object on places with 4 pixels between them so it's not very exact as having it turned off while making streams
2015-06-02 17:10 Kotonoha: you really only have to drag the objects out normalize them, its really fast but youll probaly have to do it with all of them to be sure
2015-06-02 17:10 Kotonoha: i hope it was helpful
2015-06-02 17:11 DoKito: it was
2015-06-02 17:11 DoKito: definitely

Good Luck now

Kyubey wrote:

Hello!
[General]
Add Mao to the tags since he made hitsounds for it and that's counted as collab. That is not even true, afaik.
[Diff]
01:46:650 (12,1,1,1,1) - i don't think it's a good idea to make such an increasing spacing on 200 bpm streams, it's hard to follow and can be really unexpected, consider adjusting that spacing Everybody played this fine so far. With no exception. And it is fits the song nice D:
02:04:875 (4,5,6) - that shape is too sharp, it's too hard to follow streams with such a sharp movement, betterr to make it more flowing sharp streams are fun and the turns fit to the music.
02:05:250 (9,10,1) - ^
03:16:650 (7,1,1,1,1) - same as before
04:58:050 - 05:55:650 - the part. almost all of these streams are totally unpleasant to play, sharp shapes, spacing, flow, i don't think song calls for it, why don't you make these streams smoother and without all these sharp angles? i hardly suggest you to redo this part because these streams are made for crazy difficulty, not for player's please while playing. i honestly don't understand how to play something like 05:48:450 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13) - . probably i'm just not that good player, but still, it's too hard and forced. i hope you consider that and make this part smoother I said it like... 5 times before already. The streams are intentional like that. I already reworked them, so they fit to the music better (especially the sharp turns). I, and other people my rank level, find them fun to play. The sharp turns don't make much of a difficulty icnrease. It is more the spacing in general tbh. The sharp turns are just fun IMO because you have to keep track on your cursos because of the movement/direction changes.
07:09:675 (12,13,14) - again unpleasant shape
07:13:200 (11,12,13,14,15,16,1) - too
07:14:250 (9,10,11) - and this

I'm really sorry, but I'm not that good with checking such a type of maps, it's over my level, I can't play it, so I can't judge it well. I hardly suggest you to get high-level player's opinions about this map, because only they can judge this map well and point at really bothering things.
Good luck with ranking!

HabiHolic wrote:

as your per request

[Relentless]

00:49:800 (6) - Ctrl+G? maybe flow better imo. It would flow badly into the oncoming stream imo.
02:07:350 (12) - NC? this part is stream finish.. done
06:40:050 (1) - Missing blanket. fixed
06:40:800 (1,2) - Swap NC? fixed

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Aiceo wrote:

At first i thought Jenny was being nazi again, but seriously how is this bubbled?

Overmapped as fuck, random triples and stuff, makes no sense at all.

DoKito wrote:

Aiceo wrote:

At first i thought Jenny was being nazi again, but seriously how is this bubbled?

Overmapped as fuck, random triples and stuff, makes no sense at all.

Aiceo wrote:

At first i thought Jenny was being nazi again, but seriously how is this bubbled?

Overmapped as fuck, random triples and stuff, makes no sense at all.

monstrata wrote:

The triplets and 1/4 rhythm usage are fine imo.. Just because they don't actually exist in the music doesn't mean you are forbidden from mapping them. Actually, with a song as intense as this, the slight overmaps can complement the music well. Mapping isn't just about following the song, but making the song fun, interesting, and challenging to play. You shouldn't just assume that if something is "overmapped" it's bad.

Lets not hate on BN's for bubbling this map k? That's just uncalled for ;c. Part of being a good modder is respecting other mappers' styles too...