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There you go again, a topic you clearly don't know about... Ever heard of people first trying AR10 or even AR10.3+ maps? Even I've first attempt fced AR10.87 maps before, it's really not that hard. You do not have to "learn" a map at AR10+, many people can sightread that AR, and many people would even say they find AR10 easy and natural (many of which should be telling the truth, unlike your average rank 50k big black spammer on the forums).Philosofikal wrote:
I'm not quite there yet, but I'm pretty sure that since the lead time for AR10 brushes up against the length of the average human reaction time, it doesn't become "easy" to read at any point. You have to learn the map by playing it all the way through multiple times. How do you think people train to play Can't Defeat Airman...Noobsicle wrote:
did you honestly believe making a comparison to another player's most played beatmaps clearly implied the idea of:
1. playing throughout the whole map to improve consistency
2. "focused practice"
I don't care if what you said was not serious or had a message behind it or whatever, I'm talking about all your posts in general. 9/10 times, you're talking in a condescending and cocky manner, and acting like you know all the secrets and how to be successful at this game. You dont. Stop.Philosofikal wrote:
You completely misinterpreted what I said. You are not even close. Go back and re read until you figure out where you fucked up.Illkryn wrote:
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Yeah, there you go, you think. Let me, and everyone else that has already told you, remind me, that you don't have a good idea of how things work. Stop passing off your advice as absolute and fact, when it is just your skewed opinion / experience. You could, at the very least, add, "this helped me" or "in my experience", and while your at it, you could drop the arrogance, you have nothing to be proud of.Philosofikal wrote:
No wonder everyone thinks I'm acting like I'm hot shit at this game when I'm not. All I really did was study a lot of top-tier play to figure out how they did it and what I need to be doing, and now I'm trying to put in the hours to get good at it. I don't claim to know everything or possess the physical skills to fully utilize what I know, and I learn new things every day, but I still think I have a really good idea of how things work.
But noooooo, you're right and everyone else is wrong, as usual, right?
what the fuck ever lol I'm doneIllkryn wrote:
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10.3 is a different matter entirely, you're ready for it when you have the speed for it, not when you've played enough high ar to react to it properly. 10.3 maps are brutally fast, by the time you have that kind of speed, the AR alone won't warrant much of a challenge.
anyway hes not totally wrong, you need a certain minimum level of skill to properly play HR, to be able to aim cs5.2 properly, hit high od 300's at least most of the time, and lastly read ar10, but that's not necessarily the ideal time to start playing HR, doing it before you have those skills can accelerate you there quicker.
all in all play whats fun, if you do something that isn't fun to try to get better you'll suffer for it, you won't be as focused and won't get as much out of it, and unless you're super driven, you won't play as much of it as something you enjoy, which leads to less improvement anyway.
and remember to stay hydrated and take frequent breaks.
anyway hes not totally wrong, you need a certain minimum level of skill to properly play HR, to be able to aim cs5.2 properly, hit high od 300's at least most of the time, and lastly read ar10, but that's not necessarily the ideal time to start playing HR, doing it before you have those skills can accelerate you there quicker.
all in all play whats fun, if you do something that isn't fun to try to get better you'll suffer for it, you won't be as focused and won't get as much out of it, and unless you're super driven, you won't play as much of it as something you enjoy, which leads to less improvement anyway.
and remember to stay hydrated and take frequent breaks.
Riince making actual quality post, what happened....
Because you are a complete fucking moron, I will break down my Airman playcount for you.Philosofikal wrote:
I can prove it to you by showing that Can't Defeat Airman is a song you learn to play by doing precisely this. The only way you can learn to play it well is by playing it so many times you know the entire song in your muscle memory.
~300 - trying to clear the map back when I was bad at this game and struggled. I mean physically incapable of beating the map. ~140 playcount left.
~50 - plays with mods. Hardrock, Doubletime, Flashlight.
~90 - trying to actually fullcombo the map.
It's not hard to play without muscle memory, just most people spammed most of their plays before they had the jump skills required to pass it. All the patterns are basic, the spacing is hard.
If I had never played it to this day, I guarantee you I would pass it first try. Same goes for most of the people in the top ~2,000 players I'd imagine.
It's not a possibility that I retry maps that I liked a lot, right
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no, well, at least not necessarily.Philosofikal wrote:
I can prove it to you by showing that Can't Defeat Airman is a song you learn to play by doing precisely this. The only way you can learn to play it well is by playing it so many times you know the entire song in your muscle memory.
I can prove it to you by showing that Can't Defeat Airman is a song you don't learn to play by doing precisely this. The only way you can learn to play it terribly is by playing it 475 times so you incorrectly memorize the entire song.
i bet you'd want to have his od9-9.67 SSes at 30kIllkryn wrote:
Are we looking at the same top scores?Philosofikal wrote:
I have excellent scores on relative to my rank.
Cos all I see there is a bunch of <1min maps and a pony map + DT
also since when are <1min maps inherently easier for PP? I'd rather FC longer maps, preferably with a lot of triple/stream spam, than FC harder maps...
Probably because it's harder to be consistent in long maps, though I enjoy the kind of map you described too.[ Momiji ] wrote:
also since when are <1min maps inherently easier for PP? I'd rather FC longer maps, preferably with a lot of triple/stream spam, than FC harder maps...
Yeah, that's why you went out of your way to mention not being able to full combo Airman in your Twitch bio right?Bauxe wrote:
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Ignore Illkryn, he purposefully clipped my quote short so it looks like I'm saying something I'm not. Notice how weird the phrasing of the quote is.[ Momiji ] wrote:
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Mommy, I still don't get how you ever incorrectly memorise a song.
I do it now and then with sliders that i mistake for singlesKheldragar wrote:
Mommy, I still don't get how you ever incorrectly memorise a song.
I do that because I'm bad at reading and just have tonfocus more; it's not memorisation.
true trueKheldragar wrote:
I do that because I'm bad at reading and just have tonfocus more; it's not memorisation.
Reading is hard; play AR10, it helps with not reading.CptBlackBird wrote:
reading is easy,play EZ,it helps with reading
I play everything and that's why my reading is not-that-bad
One day I will Ar8. ONE DAY!CptBlackBird wrote:
I play everything and that's why my reading is not-that-bad
ar8 is ez pzKheldragar wrote:
One day I will Ar8. ONE DAY!CptBlackBird wrote:
I play everything and that's why my reading is not-that-bad
only problem is ar8 maps are usually undermapped, which is why I miss notes because I click too early
he doesn't need to replay a single map more than 2-3 times, who says he can't play a variety of other maps?Philosofikal wrote:
Um, yes? He literally stated he won't replay a map more than a couple of times, but that's exactly the opposite what you need to be doing in this situation. It's also an interesting coincidence that his most played map is also his top play.
he also stated in the same comment that memorizing a map with hr =/= learning hr: just because he can SS one OD6 map with hr doesn't mean he can actually read ar10 comfortably.
sure, it'll help him for a bit, but he'll just crumble once he moves onto a different map
playing a variety of different maps will benefit him better than trying to grind out plays for a single FC
it sounds like you're suggesting learning ar10 = memorization, it really isn't. pros like koromo and kynan-chan could probably sight-read ar10 easily, the only problem for them when using hr is being able to have consistent accuracy, which again will differ from map to map depending on their varying difficulties
you really only need to grind a map when you're aiming for an fc / pp, you shouldn't be doing this when you're learning hr since you'll just rely on memorization rather than your reading ability
top kekbigfeh wrote:
ar8 is ez pz
only problem is ar8 maps are usually undermapped, which is why I miss notes because I click too early
wait you aren't the real illkryn
wtf
wtf
ar8 is greatbigfeh wrote:
ar8 is ez pz
ZenithPhantasm
B-]buny wrote:
wait you aren't the real illkryn
wtf
Who?buny wrote:
wait you aren't the real illkryn
wtf
Ahh, the memories.Kheldragar wrote:
Who?
I just thought Cheezstik changed his name to something different.GoldenWolf wrote:
Ahh, the memories.Kheldragar wrote:
Who?
rip the name cheezstikbuny wrote:
wait you aren't the real illkryn
wtf
Yes, ar10 becomes easy to read. When we get to ar11 and family, however, we're talking about fucking wizardry. There are some ARs that are mathematically near impossible to sightreadPhilosofikal wrote:
Um, yes? He literally stated he won't replay a map more than a couple of times, but that's exactly the opposite what you need to be doing in this situation. It's also an interesting coincidence that his most played map is also his top play.Noobsicle wrote:
did you honestly believe making a comparison to another player's most played beatmaps clearly implied the idea of:
1. playing throughout the whole map to improve consistency
2. "focused practice"
I'm not to the point where I can read AR10 anywhere, but I'm pretty sure that since the lead time for AR10 brushes up against the length of the average human reaction time, it doesn't become "easy" to read, ever. You have to learn the map, and you do that by playing it all the way through multiple times, and learning what you need to do in advance. The more you have to think about what you're doing, the slower you'll be, and you need to be as fast as possible to read AR10+.
Not true. I passed it after about 15 tries. It's not even a hard pass, because it's hp3 and I like jumps. My acc was shit and I'm OBVIOUSLY not good enough to play it, but the point here is muscle memory is my ass. You just need to know how to jump. As for the plays, I'd attribute that to the fact that when you're FCing a jump map, which is prone to shitmisses, you need to hit every single note. This means a lot of retriesPhilosofikal wrote:
I can prove it to you by showing that Can't Defeat Airman is a song you learn to play by doing precisely this. The only way you can learn to play it well is by playing it so many times you know the entire song in your muscle memory.
What a shocker. That's just the people that have posted in this thread, by the way. I'd respond to the rest of your post but honestly I don't really care enough. Too much typing.
Are we really going there again? Did everybody forget about last time?Philosofikal wrote:
It's pretty much exactly what you said (you'll start playing it when you can handle it) except written concisely. I don't see how you think that was written even remotely condescendingly, I think you're just mad, and projecting your emotions onto what I typed in an entirely different discussion.buny wrote:
how the fuck does that have anything to do with what I said? Yours is posted in condescending manner (you didn't even offer advice, just said that "HR isn't going to make you better") and by the looks of it, tied to HR on easier maps
The topic of the thread was "When do I start playing HR?" and my advice was "you'll know when you're ready, there is no specific time". Pretty cut and dry.You completely misinterpreted what I said. You are not even close. Go back and re read until you figure out where you fucked up.Illkryn wrote:
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No wonder everyone thinks I'm acting like I'm hot shit at this game when I'm not. All I really did was study a lot of top-tier play to figure out how they did it and what I need to be doing, and now I'm trying to put in the hours to get good at it. I don't claim to know everything or possess the physical skills to fully utilize what I know, and I learn new things every day, but I still think I have a really good idea of how things work.
ikrGoldenWolf wrote:
Riince making actual quality post, what happened....
MASSIVE EDIT
GUYS GUYS GUYS
HOLY SHIT
FIANLLYRiince wrote:
so i passed HEY FUCKER [EXTRA]
IT'S GONNA RAIN SCALPELS RUN FOR COVER
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hi mumPhilosofikal wrote:
so when is this thread getting locked
and don't say the word that starts with L anymore or you might summon the one who must not be named
I've been reading your posts in the past few days, and you seem to be going through a stage where your *ahem* rapid growth has instilled a superiority complex in you. Take a step back and accept that sometimes you're wrong; it really becomes obvious when you begin nitpicking other peoples arguments.Philosofikal wrote:
what the fuck ever lol I'm done
Acknowledging that it's very difficult to convey expression through text, you're posts also display an air of arrogance; you're just being a dick when you call people retards and act condescendingly as if everything you say is right and everyone else is wrong (there's a word for that, its a bigot).
This isn't a personal attack, I'm just trying to help
How'd you know i had a Harry Potter marathon on thursday?bigfeh wrote:
and don't say the word that starts with L anymore or you might summon the one who must not be named
I know everythingLagel wrote:
How'd you know i had a Harry Potter marathon on thursday?bigfeh wrote:
and don't say the word that starts with L anymore or you might summon the one who must not be named
Philantropist wrote:
I've been reading your posts in the past few days, and you seem to be going through a stage where your *ahem* rapid growth has instilled a superiority complex in you. Take a step back and accept that sometimes you're wrong; it really becomes obvious when you begin nitpicking other peoples arguments.Philosofikal wrote:
what the fuck ever lol I'm done
Acknowledging that it's very difficult to convey expression through text, you're posts also display an air of arrogance; you're just being a dick when you call people retards and act condescendingly as if everything you say is right and everyone else is wrong (there's a word for that, its a bigot).
This isn't a personal attack, I'm just trying to help
He didn't go to 20k in a week = not fast
philosofikal do you play call of duty by any chance
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I heard he a gud mLg FaZe n0Sc0P3r. Be careful RiinceRiince wrote:
philosofikal do you play call of duty by any chance
Riince wrote:
philosofikal do you play call of duty by any chance
Damn that's some scary teethbigfeh wrote:
rawrGoldenWolf wrote:
Damn that's some scary teethbigfeh wrote: