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YOU ARE A FUCKING IDIOT
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Wow, gee, nice advice, non-fucking-idiot. It's almost like I already posted a better version of it three days ago in a different thread.buny wrote:
from someone who has HR on nearly 99% of the time, just play more. You don't actually need to play HR to learn how to play it, the only key aspects to HR are the smaller circles (not really), increased OD and the faster AR, which can indirectly be improved by playing ar 9+ maps.
I never thought I was any good at HR back at your rank, but it was manageable as I kept playing and improving by playing hard maps and DT. Same case with AR11, I never thought I could read it and then I put it on and it turned out a lot easier than the first time I played it.
basically, don't try to force yourself to learn how to play HR, it comes naturally.
If "play a song all the way through so you get consistent at it" is bad advice, well, fuck me then, I guess! The whole reason it took me so long and so many tries to SS In My Room is because I DIDN'T follow this advice and tried to spam it on PF, and the frustration from that is the reason I now play this way. You're trying to use the genesis of my argument as a counter argument to it which is ridiculous.
Here's a refutation to your refutation:
LEARN TO READ, STOP MAKING ASSUMPTIONS
how to improve HR 101:
Step 1. Open osu!
Step 2. Go to Song Select.
Step 3. ar>7 search.
Step 4. Press 'F1'.
Step 5. Press 'a'.
Step 6. Press '2'.
Step 7. Complete a map slightly easier than you would usually play.
Step 8. Repeat and gradually increase difficulty
Step 9. ???????????
Step 10. Realise that you're starting to fc maps.
Step 11. Facepalm when people ask you how to improve at HR.
To answer the question at hand though, probably need to improve consistency.
Just play more maps that you wouldn't usually play. If you're finding 4.5 stars difficult, play more 4.5 star maps. Tackle the patterns you find that are difficult, play them until they aren't difficult anymore and move on to new ones. Retrying won't really help you improve, gonna put this here.
Also gonna note that you probably don't have to play HR to learn it, but you'll probably need to play HR to get used to the od10.
Step 1. Open osu!
Step 2. Go to Song Select.
Step 3. ar>7 search.
Step 4. Press 'F1'.
Step 5. Press 'a'.
Step 6. Press '2'.
Step 7. Complete a map slightly easier than you would usually play.
Step 8. Repeat and gradually increase difficulty
Step 9. ???????????
Step 10. Realise that you're starting to fc maps.
Step 11. Facepalm when people ask you how to improve at HR.
To answer the question at hand though, probably need to improve consistency.
Just play more maps that you wouldn't usually play. If you're finding 4.5 stars difficult, play more 4.5 star maps. Tackle the patterns you find that are difficult, play them until they aren't difficult anymore and move on to new ones. Retrying won't really help you improve, gonna put this here.
Also gonna note that you probably don't have to play HR to learn it, but you'll probably need to play HR to get used to the od10.
Lmao you're having fun PhilosofikalZenithPhantasm wrote:
/threadbuny wrote:
YOU ARE A FUCKING IDIOT
did you honestly believe making a comparison to another player's most played beatmaps clearly implied the idea of:
1. playing throughout the whole map to improve consistency
2. "focused practice"
let's see if we can match those 2 ideas with your first post
nopewow nvm this OBVIOUSLY shares the same idea of "playing throughout the whole map to improve consistency"
maybe if you had some clue you would've included those ideas in your first post instead of going around being a grandiose prick
look at yourself lmao
1. playing throughout the whole map to improve consistency
2. "focused practice"
let's see if we can match those 2 ideas with your first post
nopePhilosofikal wrote:
You need to have dedication if you want to get better.
nope, also why is this relevant to learning hr in any way?Philosofikal wrote:
All of those songs in my most played beatmaps, I have excellent scores on relative to my rank.
Philosofikal wrote:
At high levels, if you want to improve at specialty skills, you had better learn to grind.
maybe if you had some clue you would've included those ideas in your first post instead of going around being a grandiose prick
look at yourself lmao
Philosofikal wrote:
I have excellent scores on relative to my rank.
Philosofikal wrote:
your rank is not special
you have no ss ranks good job br0o0o0o0
your rank is also bad for your time played
Bruh 3 star SSes are the way to goNoobsicle wrote:
look at yourself lmaoPhilosofikal wrote:
I have excellent scores on relative to my rank.Philosofikal wrote:
your rank is not special
you have no ss ranks good job br0o0o0o0
your rank is also bad for your time played
How fucking dense are you?Philosofikal wrote:
Wow, gee, nice advice, non-fucking-idiot. It's almost like I already posted a better version of it three days ago in a different thread.buny wrote:
from someone who has HR on nearly 99% of the time, just play more. You don't actually need to play HR to learn how to play it, the only key aspects to HR are the smaller circles (not really), increased OD and the faster AR, which can indirectly be improved by playing ar 9+ maps.
I never thought I was any good at HR back at your rank, but it was manageable as I kept playing and improving by playing hard maps and DT. Same case with AR11, I never thought I could read it and then I put it on and it turned out a lot easier than the first time I played it.
basically, don't try to force yourself to learn how to play HR, it comes naturally.
If "play a song all the way through so you get consistent at it" is bad advice, well, fuck me then, I guess! The whole reason it took me so long and so many tries to SS In My Room is because I DIDN'T follow this advice and tried to spam it on PF, and the frustration from that is the reason I now play this way. You're trying to use the genesis of my argument as a counter argument to it which is ridiculous.
Here's a refutation to your refutation:
LEARN TO READ, STOP MAKING ASSUMPTIONS
how the fuck does that have anything to do with what I said? Yours is posted in condescending manner (you didn't even offer advice, just said that "HR isn't going to make you better") and by the looks of it, tied to HR on easier mapsPhilosofikal wrote:
You play HR on maps that have circles that are too big, approach rate that is too slow, and an overall difficulty that is too easy. Playing a mod isn't going to make you better, it's a tool to bring maps that are too easy up to your skill level for additional entertainment shelf life, an opportunity at additional peppy points and better leaderboard standing.
You'll know when you're ready for it because you'll be thinking to yourself, "this shit is too easy".
You're either the worlds most thickest person, or the greatest troll ever
Both are not positive accomplishments
Why the fuck are you even giving (terrible) advice for HR when you're some trashy 5 digit player, anyway?
Are we looking at the same top scores?Philosofikal wrote:
I have excellent scores on relative to my rank.
Cos all I see there is a bunch of <1min maps and a pony map + DT. Even I can admit I was a farmer at that pp, but my top ranks at the time consisted of nomod scores which are much harder to do than these days farm maps.
Oh, I didn't know you had to SS to be good. Guess you learn something new everyday, thanks, 2kpp player.Philosofikal wrote:
your rank is not special
you have no ss ranks good job br0o0o0o0
I hit a 4 digit rank (2700pp at the time) after around 6 months of playing, and didn't abuse any <1 minute maps doing so, and I would consider my progress slow. Where's your 2700pp, god of rank progression?Philosofikal wrote:
your rank is also bad for your time played
Maybe this will turn your cockiness down a notch, and make you realize that you are absolutely shit at this game, in fact, all of us here are absolutely shit at the game (except maybe buny, huehue). Get off your high horse, and stop posting absolute bullshit without backup or credibility. It's not really helping, at all, unless your goal is to give people a laugh / cringe / facepalm / whatever else negative reaction you can think of.
Everyone besides the #1 is trash at the game ggwp
I think it's time to lock this thread
I think it's time to lock this thread
so i passed HEY FUCKER [EXTRA]
dude niceRiince wrote:
so i passed HEY FUCKER [EXTRA]
Um, yes? He literally stated he won't replay a map more than a couple of times, but that's exactly the opposite what you need to be doing in this situation. It's also an interesting coincidence that his most played map is also his top play.Noobsicle wrote:
did you honestly believe making a comparison to another player's most played beatmaps clearly implied the idea of:
1. playing throughout the whole map to improve consistency
2. "focused practice"
I'm not to the point where I can read AR10 anywhere, but I'm pretty sure that since the lead time for AR10 brushes up against the length of the average human reaction time, it doesn't become "easy" to read, ever. You have to learn the map, and you do that by playing it all the way through multiple times, and learning what you need to do in advance. The more you have to think about what you're doing, the slower you'll be, and you need to be as fast as possible to read AR10+.
I can prove it to you by showing that Can't Defeat Airman is a song you learn to play by doing precisely this. The only way you can learn to play it well is by playing it so many times you know the entire song in your muscle memory.
What a shocker. That's just the people that have posted in this thread, by the way. I'd respond to the rest of your post but honestly I don't really care enough. Too much typing.
It's pretty much exactly what you said (you'll start playing it when you can handle it) except written concisely. I don't see how you think that was written even remotely condescendingly, I think you're just mad, and projecting your emotions onto what I typed in an entirely different discussion.buny wrote:
how the fuck does that have anything to do with what I said? Yours is posted in condescending manner (you didn't even offer advice, just said that "HR isn't going to make you better") and by the looks of it, tied to HR on easier maps
The topic of the thread was "When do I start playing HR?" and my advice was "you'll know when you're ready, there is no specific time". Pretty cut and dry.
You completely misinterpreted what I said. You are not even close. Go back and re read until you figure out where you fucked up.Illkryn wrote:
garbage
No wonder everyone thinks I'm acting like I'm hot shit at this game when I'm not. All I really did was study a lot of top-tier play to figure out how they did it and what I need to be doing, and now I'm trying to put in the hours to get good at it. I don't claim to know everything or possess the physical skills to fully utilize what I know, and I learn new things every day, but I still think I have a really good idea of how things work.
Wow, those Airman playcounts. 
There you go again, a topic you clearly don't know about... Ever heard of people first trying AR10 or even AR10.3+ maps? Even I've first attempt fced AR10.87 maps before, it's really not that hard. You do not have to "learn" a map at AR10+, many people can sightread that AR, and many people would even say they find AR10 easy and natural (many of which should be telling the truth, unlike your average rank 50k big black spammer on the forums).Philosofikal wrote:
I'm not quite there yet, but I'm pretty sure that since the lead time for AR10 brushes up against the length of the average human reaction time, it doesn't become "easy" to read at any point. You have to learn the map by playing it all the way through multiple times. How do you think people train to play Can't Defeat Airman...Noobsicle wrote:
did you honestly believe making a comparison to another player's most played beatmaps clearly implied the idea of:
1. playing throughout the whole map to improve consistency
2. "focused practice"
I don't care if what you said was not serious or had a message behind it or whatever, I'm talking about all your posts in general. 9/10 times, you're talking in a condescending and cocky manner, and acting like you know all the secrets and how to be successful at this game. You dont. Stop.Philosofikal wrote:
You completely misinterpreted what I said. You are not even close. Go back and re read until you figure out where you fucked up.Illkryn wrote:
garbage
Yeah, there you go, you think. Let me, and everyone else that has already told you, remind me, that you don't have a good idea of how things work. Stop passing off your advice as absolute and fact, when it is just your skewed opinion / experience. You could, at the very least, add, "this helped me" or "in my experience", and while your at it, you could drop the arrogance, you have nothing to be proud of.Philosofikal wrote:
No wonder everyone thinks I'm acting like I'm hot shit at this game when I'm not. All I really did was study a lot of top-tier play to figure out how they did it and what I need to be doing, and now I'm trying to put in the hours to get good at it. I don't claim to know everything or possess the physical skills to fully utilize what I know, and I learn new things every day, but I still think I have a really good idea of how things work.
But noooooo, you're right and everyone else is wrong, as usual, right?
what the fuck ever lol I'm doneIllkryn wrote:
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10.3 is a different matter entirely, you're ready for it when you have the speed for it, not when you've played enough high ar to react to it properly. 10.3 maps are brutally fast, by the time you have that kind of speed, the AR alone won't warrant much of a challenge.
anyway hes not totally wrong, you need a certain minimum level of skill to properly play HR, to be able to aim cs5.2 properly, hit high od 300's at least most of the time, and lastly read ar10, but that's not necessarily the ideal time to start playing HR, doing it before you have those skills can accelerate you there quicker.
all in all play whats fun, if you do something that isn't fun to try to get better you'll suffer for it, you won't be as focused and won't get as much out of it, and unless you're super driven, you won't play as much of it as something you enjoy, which leads to less improvement anyway.
and remember to stay hydrated and take frequent breaks.
anyway hes not totally wrong, you need a certain minimum level of skill to properly play HR, to be able to aim cs5.2 properly, hit high od 300's at least most of the time, and lastly read ar10, but that's not necessarily the ideal time to start playing HR, doing it before you have those skills can accelerate you there quicker.
all in all play whats fun, if you do something that isn't fun to try to get better you'll suffer for it, you won't be as focused and won't get as much out of it, and unless you're super driven, you won't play as much of it as something you enjoy, which leads to less improvement anyway.
and remember to stay hydrated and take frequent breaks.
Riince making actual quality post, what happened....
Because you are a complete fucking moron, I will break down my Airman playcount for you.Philosofikal wrote:
I can prove it to you by showing that Can't Defeat Airman is a song you learn to play by doing precisely this. The only way you can learn to play it well is by playing it so many times you know the entire song in your muscle memory.
~300 - trying to clear the map back when I was bad at this game and struggled. I mean physically incapable of beating the map. ~140 playcount left.
~50 - plays with mods. Hardrock, Doubletime, Flashlight.
~90 - trying to actually fullcombo the map.
It's not hard to play without muscle memory, just most people spammed most of their plays before they had the jump skills required to pass it. All the patterns are basic, the spacing is hard.
If I had never played it to this day, I guarantee you I would pass it first try. Same goes for most of the people in the top ~2,000 players I'd imagine.
It's not a possibility that I retry maps that I liked a lot, right
E m i
no, well, at least not necessarily.Philosofikal wrote:
I can prove it to you by showing that Can't Defeat Airman is a song you learn to play by doing precisely this. The only way you can learn to play it well is by playing it so many times you know the entire song in your muscle memory.
I can prove it to you by showing that Can't Defeat Airman is a song you don't learn to play by doing precisely this. The only way you can learn to play it terribly is by playing it 475 times so you incorrectly memorize the entire song.
i bet you'd want to have his od9-9.67 SSes at 30kIllkryn wrote:
Are we looking at the same top scores?Philosofikal wrote:
I have excellent scores on relative to my rank.
Cos all I see there is a bunch of <1min maps and a pony map + DT
also since when are <1min maps inherently easier for PP? I'd rather FC longer maps, preferably with a lot of triple/stream spam, than FC harder maps...
Probably because it's harder to be consistent in long maps, though I enjoy the kind of map you described too.[ Momiji ] wrote:
also since when are <1min maps inherently easier for PP? I'd rather FC longer maps, preferably with a lot of triple/stream spam, than FC harder maps...
Yeah, that's why you went out of your way to mention not being able to full combo Airman in your Twitch bio right?Bauxe wrote:
blablabla
Ignore Illkryn, he purposefully clipped my quote short so it looks like I'm saying something I'm not. Notice how weird the phrasing of the quote is.[ Momiji ] wrote:
xxx
Mommy, I still don't get how you ever incorrectly memorise a song.
I do it now and then with sliders that i mistake for singlesKheldragar wrote:
Mommy, I still don't get how you ever incorrectly memorise a song.
I do that because I'm bad at reading and just have tonfocus more; it's not memorisation.
true trueKheldragar wrote:
I do that because I'm bad at reading and just have tonfocus more; it's not memorisation.
Reading is hard; play AR10, it helps with not reading.CptBlackBird wrote:
reading is easy,play EZ,it helps with reading
I play everything and that's why my reading is not-that-bad
One day I will Ar8. ONE DAY!CptBlackBird wrote:
I play everything and that's why my reading is not-that-bad
ar8 is ez pzKheldragar wrote:
One day I will Ar8. ONE DAY!CptBlackBird wrote:
I play everything and that's why my reading is not-that-bad
only problem is ar8 maps are usually undermapped, which is why I miss notes because I click too early
he doesn't need to replay a single map more than 2-3 times, who says he can't play a variety of other maps?Philosofikal wrote:
Um, yes? He literally stated he won't replay a map more than a couple of times, but that's exactly the opposite what you need to be doing in this situation. It's also an interesting coincidence that his most played map is also his top play.
he also stated in the same comment that memorizing a map with hr =/= learning hr: just because he can SS one OD6 map with hr doesn't mean he can actually read ar10 comfortably.
sure, it'll help him for a bit, but he'll just crumble once he moves onto a different map
playing a variety of different maps will benefit him better than trying to grind out plays for a single FC
it sounds like you're suggesting learning ar10 = memorization, it really isn't. pros like koromo and kynan-chan could probably sight-read ar10 easily, the only problem for them when using hr is being able to have consistent accuracy, which again will differ from map to map depending on their varying difficulties
you really only need to grind a map when you're aiming for an fc / pp, you shouldn't be doing this when you're learning hr since you'll just rely on memorization rather than your reading ability
top kekbigfeh wrote:
ar8 is ez pz
only problem is ar8 maps are usually undermapped, which is why I miss notes because I click too early
wait you aren't the real illkryn
wtf
wtf
ar8 is greatbigfeh wrote:
ar8 is ez pz
ZenithPhantasm
B-]buny wrote:
wait you aren't the real illkryn
wtf
Who?buny wrote:
wait you aren't the real illkryn
wtf
Ahh, the memories.Kheldragar wrote:
Who?
I just thought Cheezstik changed his name to something different.GoldenWolf wrote:
Ahh, the memories.Kheldragar wrote:
Who?
rip the name cheezstikbuny wrote:
wait you aren't the real illkryn
wtf