This is the kind of players we need in a dying gamemode community.Earine wrote:
you do it for the fun and the chance of playing together as a community...
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This gamemode is more active than its ever been.MYRKUL wrote:
This is the kind of players we need in a dying gamemode community.Earine wrote:
you do it for the fun and the chance of playing together as a community...
#6yearobservation
Yes you areEarine wrote:
or I'm too naive, welp
Are you trolling, or just stupid ? (Unfortunately I think this is the second option...)Pagliaccio wrote:
Please, go and make a team of 4k ranked players than suck in group stages, it's funny, isn't it?Arrival wrote:
Please, Ukraine has 10 players in the Top #4K
In that case let's make only one final with JP and TW to decide who will win this TWC. No ?
It's because of people like you if this tournament is stuck with 16 countries or so. If you play with the top #4K you can go to the RO16 easily, but Mister Pagliacco's ego looks a bit too high and overdeveloped to play with 4K players.. That's sad...
Oh btw the #6 in Ukraine is #1300. But still too noob fo you huh ?
Are you just trolling, or just stupid? (Unfortunately I think this is the second option...)Arrival wrote:
Are you trolling, or just stupid ? (Unfortunately I think this is the second option...)
In that case let's make only one final with JP and TW to decide who will win this TWC. No ?
It's because of people like you if this tournament is stuck with 16 countries or so. If you play with the top #4K you can go to the RO16 easily, but Mister Pagliacco's ego looks a bit too high and overdeveloped to play with 4K players.. That's sad...
Oh btw the #6 in Ukraine is #1300. But still too noob fo you huh ?
If your team is not well-balanced by level of players, you're just sucker.
Most of teams have a balanced roasters with a close rank gap between a players.
If you gonna play TWC with 4k ppl, you just gonna rage cuz of you cant with by yourself.
If you gonna play TWC "just for fun" - go and play MP then with noobs.
Shut the fuck up noob and don't say any stupid things more.
^ if a true 4k ranked player (just about his skill) plays the tournament and can barely clear simple Oni, it probably won't be that fun to play for him. Just like me playing some Firce Force difficulties, i honestly won't have fun doing it just because this is too far from my "skill" yet. pagliaccio maybe meant something like that.
Then if there are enough "good" players in his country, they also might not be active or want to play the TWC. Well i have no idea about his real situation but it is not hard to understand him if he does not want to play the TWC for any of these reasons. Also i will never know the feeling but i can imagine that it is not that fun to lose as a team, even when you did reallly good, because you don't have enough "good" players (that's why i am afraid if i have to play a match here lol, i don't want to make my team lose).
Also is there a way to remove someone from a full team to get someone else in ? In case i should leave for someone stronger.
edit: ok nvm posted 2 l8
Then if there are enough "good" players in his country, they also might not be active or want to play the TWC. Well i have no idea about his real situation but it is not hard to understand him if he does not want to play the TWC for any of these reasons. Also i will never know the feeling but i can imagine that it is not that fun to lose as a team, even when you did reallly good, because you don't have enough "good" players (that's why i am afraid if i have to play a match here lol, i don't want to make my team lose).
Also is there a way to remove someone from a full team to get someone else in ? In case i should leave for someone stronger.
edit: ok nvm posted 2 l8
If you think you need a team <#500 to play TWC then you are completely wrong, and Arrival is right, you are making TWC fails.
Keep in mind that if a majority of teams sign up with players 1-2k, all of these teams have more or less equal chances to get through group stage and win 1 or more match in knock-out stages.
No need to insult people and especially when your argumentation is pointless.
So nobody should be able to participate then ? Because even with 3 Pagli in your team you would still not be able to win the tournament, so it wouldn't be worth playing either ?Pagliaccio wrote:
If you gonna play TWC "just for fun" - go and play MP then with noobs.
Keep in mind that if a majority of teams sign up with players 1-2k, all of these teams have more or less equal chances to get through group stage and win 1 or more match in knock-out stages.
No need to insult people and especially when your argumentation is pointless.
such a shame
Didn't mean to start a flame so pls no 
But yea, what I meant was pretty much what Nashmun said
More people, even with 1k and +, means more fun for their equals
We already know high rank players will be stronger (you can't deny skills ofc) but I don't see nothing wrong in having a little fun before they take the spot
But yea, what I meant was pretty much what Nashmun said
More people, even with 1k and +, means more fun for their equals
We already know high rank players will be stronger (you can't deny skills ofc) but I don't see nothing wrong in having a little fun before they take the spot
Topic Starter
Earine wrote:
Didn't mean to start a flame so pls no
But yea, what I meant was pretty much what Nashmun said
More people, even with 1k and +, means more fun for their equals
We already know high rank players will be stronger (you can't deny skills ofc) but I don't see nothing wrong in having a little fun before they take the spot
I highly admire your mindset. People should think more like you.
Everyone who wants to play shall sign up! Stop being afraid of being too weak. You better earn your tournament experiences now~
Well, people might be ignoring one simple fact which is that some people, despite their rank, don't enjoy this tournament.
Just because they don't, it doesn't mean other people from the same country are prohibited to join as well.
Just because they don't, it doesn't mean other people from the same country are prohibited to join as well.
As long as players and stuff think that TWC is "just for fun" event, and force players to join it with no reason, it sucks compare to OWC.
Anyways as captain of Ukraine team of previous TWC, after discussion with other active players we decided not to take part this year, the reasons is explained above. Now stop the flame about Ukraine team.
cutecubes <3
Anyways as captain of Ukraine team of previous TWC, after discussion with other active players we decided not to take part this year, the reasons is explained above. Now stop the flame about Ukraine team.
cutecubes <3
I don't get that line of logic. OWC is played for fun as well. There are several teams that join knowing full well they won't be able to win even if they do make it to the finals let alone semifinals. I'm playing TWC knowing full well it'd be pretty much impossible for team Canada to beat France or Japan (assuming they registered now), but I'm still going to play because it lets us see how we stack up against other countries while having fun.
You can still be competitive and have a good time while not expecting to win. Having a mindset that anyone attempting to do this shouldn't be playing would mean tournaments would never exist, because most of us know who the teams are that will win.
Not my goal to flame here but I feel genuinely sorry for your country if you aren't participating just because you won't win. That isn't the spirit of the tournament and you're only making the experience bad for yourself and others from your country who could otherwise enjoy the tournament and have fun.
You can still be competitive and have a good time while not expecting to win. Having a mindset that anyone attempting to do this shouldn't be playing would mean tournaments would never exist, because most of us know who the teams are that will win.
Not my goal to flame here but I feel genuinely sorry for your country if you aren't participating just because you won't win. That isn't the spirit of the tournament and you're only making the experience bad for yourself and others from your country who could otherwise enjoy the tournament and have fun.
I already tried to tell him that. But no, looks like I'm just an asshole KappaTasha wrote:
I don't get that line of logic. OWC is played for fun as well. There are several teams that join knowing full well they won't be able to win even if they do make it to the finals let alone semifinals. I'm playing TWC knowing full well it'd be pretty much impossible for team Canada to beat France or Japan (assuming they registered now), but I'm still going to play because it lets us see how we stack up against other countries while having fun.
You can still be competitive and have a good time while not expecting to win. Having a mindset that anyone attempting to do this shouldn't be playing would mean tournaments would never exist, because most of us know who the teams are that will win.
Not my goal to flame here but I feel genuinely sorry for your country if you aren't participating just because you won't win. That isn't the spirit of the tournament and you're only making the experience bad for yourself and others from your country who could otherwise enjoy the tournament and have fun.
If they were as many uberpro Taiko players as std we could start to worry about pure competitiveness.
bruuhhhhhPagliaccio wrote:
Shut the fuck up noob and don't say any stupid things more.
Anyways going off on everything in this thread, I would love to play in the TWC but I can't because my countrymen are better than me! At least you have the opportunity to take part in an awesome event that many people are taking the time out of their day to run.
With that logic you're basically saying that African, North American, and Asian countries shouldn't even participate in the actual soccer world cup because they have little to no chance of winning. They play for the experience just as you should. I'm not trying to make you do anything, rather just offer a different perspective on how to look at playing in the TWC.
I also signed up at TWC , although I am still not great ability , at least I was able to participate in this tournament .
sorry , if my English language is not good , because I use google translate
sorry , if my English language is not good , because I use google translate
Are you the one that playing for the rank not for the fun ?Pagliaccio wrote:
If you gonna play TWC "just for fun" - go and play MP then with noobs.
just a friendly reminder :
the reason I signed up at this tournament is I want to get the experience of playing in the tournament . winning or losing is not a problem , but I will try my best .
but the problem is I still have not entered the registered group .
but the problem is I still have not entered the registered group .
You screwed up your quotes bro, I'm not insulting anybodygoatlife wrote:
bruuhhhhhArrival wrote:
Shut the fuck up noob and don't say any stupid things more.
Man, I remember when 2 years ago I was like: "Why should I even participate if there are completely no chances for us?". If that's the reason why other countries aren't taking the part in this TWC... that's just sad, as guys explained above.
I know, that for lower ranks getting 'rekt' by Godlike teams wil not be fun at all, but that's not the point. It's not only about playing. Since the matches will be livestreamed (I hope), you can always watch others, even cheer them up and all this stuff. I know you guys also have friends all around osu! and you will be able to watch them struggling in hard matches.
But... not participating because of "having no chances" is really a bad idea. I realized that myself some time ago, even is our country is always knocked out after leaving the group stage. Also, playing in multiplayer with some random people is not even close to being the same as TWC. Of course, you can gather some people and play with them, but still - it's not the same.
From this point, I don't want to insult anybody, but stop crying and get into TWC. Who cares if you lose even on first match.
IMHO, TWC is an event where you can just forget about your rank. Am I just naive too?
I know, that for lower ranks getting 'rekt' by Godlike teams wil not be fun at all, but that's not the point. It's not only about playing. Since the matches will be livestreamed (I hope), you can always watch others, even cheer them up and all this stuff. I know you guys also have friends all around osu! and you will be able to watch them struggling in hard matches.
But... not participating because of "having no chances" is really a bad idea. I realized that myself some time ago, even is our country is always knocked out after leaving the group stage. Also, playing in multiplayer with some random people is not even close to being the same as TWC. Of course, you can gather some people and play with them, but still - it's not the same.
From this point, I don't want to insult anybody, but stop crying and get into TWC. Who cares if you lose even on first match.
IMHO, TWC is an event where you can just forget about your rank. Am I just naive too?
lol woops fixedArrival wrote:
You screwed up your quotes bro, I'm not insulting anybody
Your fix is even worse than before xD
HELP ME LMFAO GOD DAMNNashmun wrote:
Your fix is even worse than before xD
I am in the same boat as goatlife, be grateful you have the chance to compete. I'll be rooting my country on whether I'm on or off the team itself.
Fix your sig ^
Related news apparently janitoreihil can't play for Canada anymore due to a computer issue. This'll be fun.
Related news apparently janitoreihil can't play for Canada anymore due to a computer issue. This'll be fun.
Sorry, wasn't sure if i could participate but registered right before regs closed. I probably took a position that could have potentially been yours ;_;jdshark wrote:
I am in the same boat as goatlife, be grateful you have the chance to compete. I'll be rooting my country on whether I'm on or off the team itself.
Also, i had no idea i even made the team. Didn't realize it till i was told yesterday by someone else on the team... so i should probably start playing again
As much as I too want to play in the TWC as the next guy, I'm glad that the USA got more than 6 registrants. It really shows how serious USA is taking this year's TWC.
lolTasha wrote:
Fix your sig ^
also, good luck~
How can you be sure, did you sign up ? Maybe other Thai players also did, you have the capacity to build a team 
Hmmm, this edition will be very interesting, like Japan vs France~
rrrrrrrrrrrryyyyyyyyyyy
IF IT EVER HAPPENSMicrowavex7 wrote:
Hmmm, this edition will be very interesting, like Japan vs France~
It happens every year, so it'll probably happen again :p
Good Luck to all
See How you do Spain.
See How you do Spain.
Topic Starter
As it stands now, we have 23 registered rosters. Since this is an odd number, we have several way of how to structure the group stage.
Generally, letting 16 teams pass seems weird due to the low amount of competitiors. As we plan to only let 8 teams ascend to the double elimination stage, we have these options figured:
Generally, letting 16 teams pass seems weird due to the low amount of competitiors. As we plan to only let 8 teams ascend to the double elimination stage, we have these options figured:
- We form 3 groups á 6 teams and 1 group á 5 teams, whereas the top 2 of every group ascends.
- We form 6 groups á 3 teams and 2 groups á 4 teams, whereas the top 1 ascends.
- We form 5 groups á 4 teams and 1 group á 3 teams, whereas the top 1 ascends + the best 2 2nd places across all groups.
Wow, why can't we have a regular 16teams brackets ? As for the three options I have no special preference but whatever you chose make sure you seed the teams before drawing.
The quality of the seeding heavily influences which of these options would be the most fair.
Topic Starter
The only objective seeding would be determined by the average raw pp or average global rank of the entire team. Personally, I planned to seed the teams by the average raw pp.
Letting 16 of 23 (~70%) teams pass makes a group stage obsolete, as it serves to "prefilter" before we enter the actual load-heavy double elimination stage.Nashmun wrote:
Wow, why can't we have a regular 16teams brackets ? As for the three options I have no special preference but whatever you chose make sure you seed the teams before drawing.
i think the first option would be the best, that way you can still have a chance of getting through the group stage if you have one of the best teams in your group.
Yeah first or second seems better than the third one because best 2nd will depend too much on the actual group
First option looks like the best choice to me
Why not based on the three main participant instead ? That mean a team with 3 people ~#200 would be higher seeded than a team with 3players ~#100 and backups ~#500, which seems pretty odd to meLoctav wrote:
The only objective seeding would be determined by the average raw pp or average global rank of the entire team. Personally, I planned to seed the teams by the average raw
Topic Starter
There is no such thing as "main participant". The idea or term of "backups" has been abolished 2 years ago. Everyone is an equal member of their team.
I say the third one is the best. So people will have to care about other groups too, not just their one.Loctav wrote:
As it stands now, we have 23 registered rosters. Since this is an odd number, we have several way of how to structure the group stage.
Generally, letting 16 teams pass seems weird due to the low amount of competitiors. As we plan to only let 8 teams ascend to the double elimination stage, we have these options figured:Let me know what you guys like the most.
- We form 3 groups á 6 teams and 1 group á 5 teams, whereas the top 2 of every group ascends.
- We form 6 groups á 3 teams and 2 groups á 4 teams, whereas the top 1 ascends.
- We form 5 groups á 4 teams and 1 group á 3 teams, whereas the top 1 ascends + the best 2 2nd places across all groups.
considering that only 8 teams are passing, I also agree that the first option is best because it provides you with the most chances of getting through group stages... especially if you play against asian teams every time you register for a tournament as i have... ;p
I know That, but you cannot encourage people to have "backups" in their teams and then penalize them in the seeding system for taking more players than the strict minimum.Loctav wrote:
There is no such thing as "main participant". The idea or term of "backups" has been abolished 2 years ago. Everyone is an equal member of their team.
Some teams could actually be tempted to take fewer players if it can give them better seeds. (Not talking about our case)
I have to agree with XavierJones.XavierJones wrote:
I say the third one is the best. So people will have to care about other groups too, not just their one.
With this it is more likely to get though the first round, if you had trouble in some matches. It also shows, how the two 2nd places could perform in the following matches, by comparing the matches they've played.
The first one is the middle way, which means it's acceptable, although it means that there are gonna be the risk of setting early winners. But if the matchmaking is based on raw pp it could go well.
With the second option to say is the worst. if it's only with 2 matches this would cause into enourmous pressure on the teams, and that every round literally decides about the end.
If it's with a rematch, it could be better, but still not good enough in comparison with option 1 and 3.
First one is the bestLoctav wrote:
Let me know what you guys like the most.
- We form 3 groups á 6 teams and 1 group á 5 teams, whereas the top 2 of every group ascends.
- We form 6 groups á 3 teams and 2 groups á 4 teams, whereas the top 1 ascends.
- We form 5 groups á 4 teams and 1 group á 3 teams, whereas the top 1 ascends + the best 2 2nd places across all groups.
For the third one, if you have 2 big power house in the same group, one of them will be kicked easily, which makes the game less interesting
Second one is wrong. 6x3 +2x4 = 18+8 = 26 . Please work on your maths.
My own suggestion is
5 x 3 , 2 x 4 a total of 7 group
which 7 1st will promote, and the 2nd from the 2 groups of 4 will have an extra match which complete the last slot
The pros of this is letting the 2 groups of 4 , which should be harder to get the 1st, have a chance to come back
"Due to the massive new registrations, the rosters will be redecided by many captains. Please wait until the 23rd February 2015 to check out the new finalized rosters" It is now the 24th. Do you guys need help?
I assume the tournament being 3v3 vs. 4v4 has not been confirmed yet?
Uh, is there a country with only 2 registrants? Perhaps you can encourage that country to find a third qualified participant to even out the number of represented teams to 24.
First option ftw. More games for every team, makes it more fun. I think most participants would love to play as many countries, too.
Any news ?
Nashmun wrote:
Any news ?
Suddenly dead?
BTW i remember Loctav did said he doesn't have a good network, does he got one now?
So, the registration phase was till 22nd, it means the team drawing will begin this weekend? At least I understand it that way (28th? 1st of March?)Loctav wrote:
As by today, we extend the registration phase till 22nd February 2015, 23:59:59 UTC+0.
...or was it two weeks after the registration phase... waiting for news as well
Oh BTW, am I the only one who wants to see THIS as a Tiebreaker in finals? or just as a tiebreaker
no kill pls
/me kill DarkStoorM
srsly tho Octagon is too long and too... weird to be a fitting tiebreaker. And too easy for finals
srsly tho Octagon is too long and too... weird to be a fitting tiebreaker. And too easy for finals
Topic Starter
Drawings are tomorrow 14 UTC+0
Aaand we have 24 teams. (yey Denmark). All teams are on the wiki.
Aaand we have 24 teams. (yey Denmark). All teams are on the wiki.
No seeds then ?
Topic Starter
Oh yeh, we do seed.
chile noob represent XD, i feel excited yay! just gotta train hard :3
Came forward with the map listening and playing.
Are we gonna have Round of 16 or go straight to the Quarter-Finals? I think having Round of 16 is fair because kicking out 16 countries out of 24 is too much, you should let 4 countries go to the Round of 16 and kick out 2 countries per group.
Does that mean that person should be in the US team? ;w;Tasha wrote:
?
nah impossible- Korean Kiwi - wrote:
Does that mean that person should be in the US team? ;w;
if he enters US team, i'll be entering Turkish team
really do hope I can get in, be my first year playing in the tournement ^W^
Please.-Jamu- wrote:
Someone wants to make a beatmap pack with mappool maps? ><
ty so much Tasha
So is there going to be a RO16 or is it being made RO8? Seems odd we'd eliminate 16 of the 24 teams before brackets even start. The wiki also still mentions RO16 so I'm getting mixed information here.
Probably just forgotten to edit the Wiki. Loctav seems unwilling to qualify two thirds of the participants after group stage.
When's the schedule coming up?
When's the schedule coming up?
Topic Starter
Oh, we discussed that forth and back and forth and back. One point is that Group Stage is a huge effort, making it a bit of obsolete to host it when we keep majority of the participants.K i u i wrote:
Probably just forgotten to edit the Wiki. Loctav seems unwilling to qualify two thirds of the participants after group stage.
When's the schedule coming up?
On the other hand, we found that it was a bit unfair to only let the top 2 ascend, when we have two top seeded teams in each group. This results in frustration for majority of the participants, as they assume that they know already the ascenders of their group, anyways.
We came to the conclusion to consider the groupstage as true-seeding for the knock-out bracket. Even if majority of the group stage may ascend, the position your own group determines your starting position in the double elimination bracket. A raw-pp seeding is not the way to determine that.
Considering that, it seems also fine to kick 2 players per group and let 4 per group ascend, yet knowing that in the knock-out bracket, we will have a 1v4/2v3 setup, as Tasha suggested last year. So even if it is easy to ascend to the knock-outs per se, your position in the group determines the "supposed difficulty of your first knock out encounter".
Sorry for the huge confusion, I decided to go with doing a Round of 16, not cancelling it. Especially since we have evenly sized groups now (yey, 24 teams!), this is acceptable for me now.
Schedule will be released in a few minutes, I am rechecking all time slots now to avoid double-placements.
That was a pleasant surprise. Glad that RO16 is still on! Also using group stage as a prelim seeding is a great idea. Still not too fond of group stage with elimination, but I'll compensate for double elim + seeded brackets.
/me sees "ryo (supercell) - ODDS&ENDS (Short Ver.)" in freemod bracket
/me dies because no DT... T_T
rip kuro
/me dies because no DT... T_T
rip kuro
How do you stream the tournaments? What programme do you use?
I believe it's Open Broadcaster Software from obsproject.com/- Korean Kiwi - wrote:
How do you stream the tournaments? What programme do you use?
It's free, open source and completely awesome.
And also the tournament clientDarkStoorM wrote:
I believe it's Open Broadcaster Software from obsproject.com/- Korean Kiwi - wrote:
How do you stream the tournaments? What programme do you use?
It's free, open source and completely awesome.
gimme your id and i will play it for youKuro wrote:
/me sees "ryo (supercell) - ODDS&ENDS (Short Ver.)" in freemod bracket
/me dies because no DT... T_T
rip kuro
Where can I download Tournament client?marcostudios wrote:
And also the tournament client
It's not pubblicbrunn08 wrote:
Where can I download Tournament client?marcostudios wrote:
And also the tournament client
Let me recall that you are still allowed to suggest maps for the upcoming mappools. Preferable your own maps.
Maps of all levels are needed for this and future TWCs and are prefered to be ranked (yet, it's not a must). Is your map unique or provides an interesting song? PM me!
Have a little insight of what we got so far:
Maps of all levels are needed for this and future TWCs and are prefered to be ranked (yet, it's not a must). Is your map unique or provides an interesting song? PM me!
Have a little insight of what we got so far:
gg wp China
/E: Also gg wp to Norway and Denmark, was fun =)
/E: Also gg wp to Norway and Denmark, was fun =)
WP Ukraine and Germany today. Looking forward to our matches tomorrow, Denmark, Poland, China.
gg Italy, gg Canada ! It was closer than what the score shows and we had a lot of fun playing with you guys
Good games to everyone! (Especially France. Always a pleasure playing with you guys)
Hope to see you in the RO16!
Hope to see you in the RO16!
well played, good luck!Niko-nyan wrote:
gg Chile
https://osu.ppy.sh/mp/14571285
Just a suggestion for match schedulers, I know this is hard to come up with a proper schedule with so many matches and you did a great job. But next time could you please let a bigger gap between the last match of the night for a team and its first match in the morning ? I mean we finished at midnight yesterday, and we have to play in an hour, which means we have less than 10h gap for sleeping and stuff. I'm awake but I look like a zombie
An after party with Germany
