Riince wrote:

your top ranks are a reflection of your skill though, the better you are the bigger the pp value of your scores will be end of story, unless you purposely avoid setting top ranks, which maps involved is kind of a moot point since its a comparative thing and everyone has access to the same maps; anyone who wants to participate in the ranking system has the means to do so and compare themselves to others in a way that reflects skill much better than ppv1.

Don't want to play >insert overrated ppv2 farm map here<? Well it's there, you have the option to do so, if you cared about your rank so much you would play it and if you were better than someone else who also farmed on those maps, guess what you will be higher ranked. you have to be lucid with your map choices if you want to rank up that's a given of course.

ppv1 was a mess, people seem to have forgotten already how people could get in the top 2k without even touching anything more difficult than a Hard.

Christs sake they even used the SUCCESS RATE ON MAPS as a metric of difficulty to help calculate how much pp a score was worth in ppv1, that's beyond ridiculous, things like Paul Rosenthal Liquid Remix were worth more than legitimate insanes because new players kept dying on it..

Drezi wrote:

TLDR: ohnoes koigokoro overrated zz

Drezi wrote:

Yes, but this has nothing to do with PP cap or whatever you're talking about, it's simply a flaw in the difficulty algorhythm, some stuff is overrated, some undervalued, this is the best we have right now.

Drezi wrote:

Your points have been answered and don't make sense, so don't.

Drezi wrote:

I skimmed your walls, and got the gist, it's just getting boring that this thread is spammed with stuff that's been answered already, or doesn't belong here, or simply outright wrong.

Yales wrote:

Like how the hell my top perf' is full of DT whenever I play DT once every 2 months, whenever I have no top50 with DT... I don't get it. And don't get me wrong, I'm ok with my rank. But I wouldnt get this rank if I didnt play what osu!trainer told me to play with DT even though I have the "skill" for it. Just that my other scores, scores I try to improve everyday, aren't rewarded. I feel like playing pending maps, whenever the maps are actually ranked.

Yales wrote:

I took the top 3rd performances of a top player.

Are you really, sincerely, saying that Primastella - Koigokoro [Insane] +HD,DT is a skill reference? (compared to airman and PowerExplosion almost SS with hrhd...) Even me, little 3k player I am, I FCed it. And I'm not even mentionning the comments disqus of this same map...
Look at the top50 of airman and primastella... You'll see a real difference, for the same amount of PP...lol

JappyBabes wrote:

Yales wrote:

I took the top 3rd performances of a top player.

Are you really, sincerely, saying that Primastella - Koigokoro [Insane] +HD,DT is a skill reference? (compared to airman and PowerExplosion almost SS with hrhd...) Even me, little 3k player I am, I FCed it. And I'm not even mentionning the comments disqus of this same map...
Look at the top50 of airman and primastella... You'll see a real difference, for the same amount of PP...lol

Somebody that thinks 99.12% on BSPower Explosion's Extra +HDHR is almost an SS should not be posting in this thread.

Yales wrote:

(I wonder why I shouldnt be posting on this thread even if I really think that 99% was near a SS, but well xD)

JappyBabes wrote:

Yales wrote:

(I wonder why I shouldnt be posting on this thread even if I really think that 99% was near a SS, but well xD)

Because it's not. It's not even close. 99.5% wouldn't even be remotely close to an SS with HR.

JappyBabes wrote:

Yales wrote:

I took the top 3rd performances of a top player.

Are you really, sincerely, saying that Primastella - Koigokoro [Insane] +HD,DT is a skill reference? (compared to airman and PowerExplosion almost SS with hrhd...) Even me, little 3k player I am, I FCed it. And I'm not even mentionning the comments disqus of this same map...
Look at the top50 of airman and primastella... You'll see a real difference, for the same amount of PP...lol

Somebody that thinks 99.12% on BSPower Explosion's Extra +HDHR is almost an SS should not be posting in this thread.

Yales wrote:

You think it's totally normal to FC a map with a good score you found really hard for no reward.
Yes, because 1) Noone cares what you personally found hard, what matters is what's hard objectively and statistically for the whole playerbase. 2) You do not deserve to be rewarded for playin the n+1th 'hard' map, if you have already proven that you can play at that level by setting 20-30 scores around that difficulty, you've already taken the rank you deserve for that level of play.

You think skill can be calculated as a whole (as if you knew what's harder between SS freedom dive nomod or fc 97% with hr) like you refuse to admit that this is something too evasive that depends on each players.
Again noone cares that it depends on each player, what matters is what's harder statistically for most people. The difficulty algorhythm can make a pretty good estimation as to what's harder between different scores, but there's always room for improvement, noone claims that it's perfect.

You think that one single score can tells you and other people what's your skill.
A single score can't that's why numerous performances make up your total pp and rank, not a single one or only a couple...

You think that if you want to get pp you should neglect some maps in order to play the well known pp maps.
No, to get pp and rank up, you need to play stuff that is harder than what you've already proven you can do to the system. Yes, you can argue that DT is overrated, as I said the system isn't perfect DT might be generally overrated due to it having simpler patterns and less complex rhythms making it easier to acc, still the system is rather accurate and the best anyone made so far, and Tom is doing his best to improve it.

Mh... I can do nothing for you
Oh the irony..

More than anything else:
I had a great time trying to communicate with osu! community. -> When we don't know something, but we still want to leech, just deviate the subject on some details I said. I have big hopes for the future of this game... 8D
Arrogant, clueless jerk.

Good luck!
Good luck comprehending what I've written!

Rewben2 wrote:

Yales what are you even proposing? I've read through your posts and you think the system doesn't correctly evaluate the difficulty of scores/maps. Yeah, plenty of people think this, big deal. It's well known that the system isn't perfect.

Riince wrote:

the only thing that got my goose was the idea that ppv1 was somehow better

Yales wrote:

The pro of osu!tp was that each of your top 50 scores were giving you at least a little something. Now even if you top50 on an insane map, you break your a** off for it. you might get nothing AT ALL. People can't even see it in your top perf, even if the map is known to be hard to everyone, except osu! So I just CAN'T agree with you when you say" If you want to know how good is someone check his top performances" There's no way half of my top "pp" are actually my real top perfomances. It might show some good (sometimes) scores, but definetly not my improvement. It's actually not what I'd like to show to show my skill.

Kyou-kun wrote:

aim/speed/accuracy points

Astar wrote:

Kyou-kun wrote:

aim/speed/accuracy points

xasuma wrote:

Tom, do you think a ladder system like the one I mentioned before would be feasible? Even if It doesn't replace the current system as I stated before, perhaps implemented as a new way to play multi player. And then you would just win for the glory.
I just find this would be really really fun.

redhq wrote:

One thing that I've found frustrating recently and I don't know what a this is a symptom of but sometimes I'll play a map I haven't in a few months (that I actually got pp for then) and totally shatter my score both in terms of combo and accuracy and it will actually cause me to loose rank. It's super frustrating to show that you've demonstrably improved but you ranked down, can anyone explain this?

Gh0stWarrior wrote:

Did the last update change something about mouse movement reading ? I mean that when i move my mouse around it doesn't feel as smooth as it used to be and i've been struggling for like 15-20 mins changing my sensibility but it just still feels weird and inacurate.

Am i the only one (in that case it might just come from me but like i haven't played in 2-3 days it just can't be that xD

Shizuyi wrote:

In all honesty ive got the same Problem with my mouse.

That aside i've got a question about PP because im really confused. I had a Song on "A" with ~4kk Points and had 292PP. 2 Hours later i had that Song on "S" with ~5,5kk Points and 488PP. I had about 2% lower ACC, still. Is that the reason? But that can nbot be. I mean i have 1,5kk Points more... Im confused!
Someone can help me?

Gh0stWarrior wrote:

Did the last update change something about mouse movement reading ? I mean that when i move my mouse around it doesn't feel as smooth as it used to be and i've been struggling for like 15-20 mins changing my sensibility but it just still feels weird and inacurate and i can't do any hard maps anymore ^^'

Am i the only one (in that case it might just come from me but like i haven't played in 2-3 days it just can't be that xD)

xYamiHikari wrote:

Shizuyi wrote:

In all honesty ive got the same Problem with my mouse.

That aside i've got a question about PP because im really confused. I had a Song on "A" with ~4kk Points and had 292PP. 2 Hours later i had that Song on "S" with ~5,5kk Points and 488PP. I had about 2% lower ACC, still. Is that the reason? But that can nbot be. I mean i have 1,5kk Points more... Im confused!
Someone can help me?

PP depends on your combo (FC or not) and your acc

Shizuyi wrote:

Well Guys, i get that much but still then there 2 Questions:
1. So Acc is WAY! more important than my Combo?
2. Why for my PP doenst Count the Score which gives me the most?