please keep one suggestion per threadsilmarilen wrote:
i suggest completely ignoring every post by sea_food from now on. it's not like he has ever had a decent forum post anyway, not just in this thread.
please keep one suggestion per threadsilmarilen wrote:
i suggest completely ignoring every post by sea_food from now on. it's not like he has ever had a decent forum post anyway, not just in this thread.
Tom already confirmed that it is happening several times. Your arguments are obviously invalid if you read the last post I made on this thread (or just read the title).Riince wrote:
The PP system is extremely fickle, and it will lead to the global scoreboards being just as fickle which is not what we want them to be. People should lose their spots on scoreboards when someone else passes them, not when tom decides to pump up the aim or dumb down the value of accuracy or whatever he's going to do in the future in his endeavors to make a more effective and accurate ranking system. This might even discourage him from making changes to this relatively young system that still has a lot of work to go. Peppy hates touching scoreboards. This will involve not only completely re-ordering them but making them incredibly volatile.
This is why it is not going to happen. No way. Not until the system is entirely 100% unquestionably done with no room for improvement... which will probably be never...
instead of investing all this time and post energy into an idea that can't possibly be implemented for a very very long time if at all...
I recommend we try to get jesse senpai's much more practical/reasonable idea implemented.
If you're going to use that as an argument, Tom might just as well not make adjustments to the pp system at all because people's rankings might change. "Oh no, someone might go back in ranking if I fix this, better leave it broken so we don't have to change."Riince wrote:
People should lose their spots on scoreboards when someone else passes them, not when tom decides to pump up the aim or dumb down the value of accuracy or whatever he's going to do in the future in his endeavors to make a more effective and accurate ranking system.
Please think about it first.Tess wrote:
If you're going to use that as an argument, Tom might just as well not make adjustments to the pp system at all because people's rankings might change. "Oh no, someone might go back in ranking if I fix this, better leave it broken so we don't have to change."
Yeah, it's so much better to have HDHR scores as 1# when someone actually DT-d the map... and generally just flawed map rankings, due to lower acc scores being able to beat higher acc scores if 100s happened earlier etc.Riince wrote:
Player A: "oh Player B you think you're hot stuff because your 99.5% DT put you in first over my 99.1% HD DT? just wait until tom buffs hidden nerd and that spot is mine!" see the inherent issues with that? Player A should have to work for his #1 there not feel like he can wait for the system to conform to where he thinks his play should be, and player B shouldn't have to worry about his score being passed because of such a change.Tess wrote:
If you're going to use that as an argument, Tom might just as well not make adjustments to the pp system at all because people's rankings might change. "Oh no, someone might go back in ranking if I fix this, better leave it broken so we don't have to change."
explain how that relates to what i said. i was drawing a comparison between hd dt and dt, didnt mention hd hr anywhere. obviously hd hr is going to take a nosedive when the system is first implemented but im talking about very similar and very closely related in pp scores changing places with eachother afterwards.Drezi wrote:
Yeah, it's so much better to have HDHR scores as 1# when someone actually DT-d the map... and generally just flawed map rankings, due to lower acc scores being able to beat higher acc scores if 100s happened earlier etc.
Logic.
no, it's you who didn't understand what you quoted. i wasn't talking about the initial transition.Drezi wrote:
No explaining will help you, if you don't get it by yourself.
whoops okDrezi wrote:
Stop editing your posts constantly, it's annoying that by the time I send my reply, half of the content is different/new.
Come on 19pages of discussion and your complaining why people dont keep going. I am sure that everyone important knows about this thread so no reason to keep it bumbed just so people would keep talking about the points in your summary post when everything that can be said about this has already been said.Tess wrote:
Apparently not.
I don't want to see this thread die, though. This isn't just a random idea and no yes/no has been given yet, I don't see why it should randomly stop at this point. I'll pull up my summary post again if anyone needs that, but it bothers me that this thread doesn't have much attention paid to it, even though it would be a /huge/ progression in rankings and how they work. I've yet to see a convincing argument against this idea, and I'm sure many others would agree.
So, you know, let's try to get discussion going again, if possible.
Everything that you wanted to say about this has already been said*Sea_Food wrote:
everything that can be said about this has already been said
Why? He could've at least mentioned whether he thinks it's a good idea or not. I've already seen Tom say a few things, but I feel like the involvement is way too low. Also, we both know that you don't want this feature, so it's only natural that you wouldn't mind the thread dying off.Sea_Food wrote:
Also i dont know if you ment that there isnt a post by bluename confirming or denying this request but AFAIK its a bad thing to ever give statements like that before the developer is atleast working on implenting the feature yet.
- Rework the scoring system (and mod boni) to be strongly correlated with pp while still remaining simple.
no! i don't want thatDT-sama wrote:
Just dropping this in here.
http://ask.fm/Tom94/answer/119955854542- Rework the scoring system (and mod boni) to be strongly correlated with pp while still remaining simple.
This happening would be quite interesting.DT-sama wrote:
Just dropping this in here.
http://ask.fm/Tom94/answer/119955854542- Rework the scoring system (and mod boni) to be strongly correlated with pp while still remaining simple.
Weighting percentages already does this to a degree but not enough imo.Railander wrote:
yes this definitely needs a better scoring system.
also, as someone who doesn't have over 1k beatmaps downloaded, i wish the system better took into account people that repeatedly plays the same maps over someone with 10k beapmaps that just clears every one of them one by one with mediocre performance just for the ranking points.
one thing i have no idea how could be made properly is weighting difficulty categories against each other.Kyou-kun wrote:
I wonder if I would actually get pp for DTing maps which I think are hard if the system actually distinguished between aim/speed/accuracy pp like it should
sure, but that's not what i'm asking.Drezi wrote:
What.. They'd be weighted separately and summed after that. Currently they are summed per map, and weighted afterwards, so a performance that excels in only one category is pushed down by ones where the sum is higher.
I can confirm thisKyou-kun wrote:
but oranges do taste better, especially the juice that comes from them
Once we figure that out there's still the major issue with comparing FL to pretty much anything elseRailander wrote:
one thing i have no idea how could be made properly is weighting difficulty categories against each other.Kyou-kun wrote:
I wonder if I would actually get pp for DTing maps which I think are hard if the system actually distinguished between aim/speed/accuracy pp like it should
for instance, when does X speed become harder (worth more) than Y aim/acc?
Ohrami wrote:
but really men why isn't this in the game yet
tired of not being able to get pp because i have a better no mod "score".. or losing pp because i beat the score but have terrible acc with mods.Ohrami wrote:
Ohrami wrote:
but really men why isn't this in the game yet