TheVileOne wrote:
These types of patterns should be factored into the difficulty level of the map to begin with. The amount of pp a map is worth is based on this difficulty rating. I think that complex patterns are already considered towards the difficulty value. This value determines how much pp a map is worth. There is already calculations going on, but we don't know the exact values of maps yet.
I dont think that the difficulty is calculated for the CtB mode, i think the stars (the difficulty of a map) is calculated like an osu! standard map. Not totally sure, but it was how it works in the past. (If someone knows, correct me pls)
One last thing, we don't need to know the algorithm, the exact pp of a map, we ONLY should know how it works, the future should be:
"I see that pretty complex jumps in that map, i'm sure that this map give me pp"... *after some play* ... "I got X pp, nice 
". There are some differences between to know the EXACT value and to know that SOME pp will be added to your profile.
Now, i want to say something about the algorithm. I think is wrong, because it judges the pp amount of a map in base of the quantity of jumps and the distance between this jumps. What is wrong? Easy, the jumps are so overrated that some player can do HR+HT or EZ and get one of his top ranks, some examples:
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RAMPAGE88 with
Team Nekokan - Can't Defeat Airman (hid+HR+HT)
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Dark Diego with the same (hid+HR+HT)
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ExGon with
IOSYS - Cirno's Perfect Math Class (EZ+FL)
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ExGon with
Yousei Teikoku - Kokou no Sousei (HR+HT)
There are 3 pro players, i'm sure there are so pro, but they has a huge valoration of his skills in those maps with HT and EZ!! And they have so many records even better than these.
Solution, in my opinion, first of all we have to nerf HalfTime and Eazy mods in the pp calculation. Maybe a solution could be that if you use Eazy you will get 0.5*pp and if you use HT 0.3*pp (like the nerf in the score when you use these mods).
Secondly we should open our mind, a map is not neccesary harder if we have 100 jumps, even if +50% of jumps are with hyperdash. Why is a map harder than other one? I think, always is my opinion, if you do a map with insane streams+jumps it's soooo hard, for example
44teru-k remixed wa. - Higanbana Daini -Shuusei no Lycoris-, even if you don't have "jumps" properly, but your map have streams and can't get the fruits simply stand quiet and you have to move so fast to get or to be lucky to get without any movement, for example
Shounen Radio - neu.
So, i guess you don't have to do (i'm talking with you Tom) an algorithm that try to count jumps, distance and calculate pp (ofc i suppose that you count the mods, DT, hid...etc in the algorithm). I think we should create an algorithm which can detect patterns (using a data base for example). Now the point is... how many pp are fair to each pattern? I really don't know at the moment, but all the community of CtB can help us in that, i think we can work from this point all together
I'm waiting some response
(positive or negative but always with respect!)
Edit: I'm sure we can find more examples of complex patterns in some CtB maps, please help me people, say some!
, maybe 119410501 can help in that, he is more active actually.
Won't play for about a week or so due to exams next week, but I'm sure looking forward to a better pp system when I come back o(>~<)o
