Only if you beat your old scoredukambe wrote:
Rank on user profile not the same as rank on performance page/country page, which i guess is because of some hidden players. (Example: dragonhuman #8 and #4 country on profile, #6 on performance and #2 on country page)
Also what happens if i get a higher performance on a song where i already had a ranking. Just for example if i have HD+HR on Remote Control and then DT fc it, would the DT fc count?
no if you dont pass your hd hr scoredukambe wrote:
Rank on user profile not the same as rank on performance page/country page, which i guess is because of some hidden players. (Example: dragonhuman #8 and #4 country on profile, #6 on performance and #2 on country page)
Also what happens if i get a higher performance on a song where i already had a ranking. Just for example if i have HD+HR on Remote Control and then DT fc it, would the DT fc count?
The rank which has a higher score will count, that is the one which will end up marked as your best in the ingame scoreboard.dukambe wrote:
Rank on user profile not the same as rank on performance page/country page, which i guess is because of some hidden players. (Example: dragonhuman #8 and #4 country on profile, #6 on performance and #2 on country page)
Also what happens if i get a higher performance on a song where i already had a ranking. Just for example if i have HD+HR on Remote Control and then DT fc it, would the DT fc count?
Silynn had a feature request for wiping scores intentionally, so that you could outrank yourself with better mods. I think score is still a really deprecated metric and shouldn't really be favored in situations outside of tournament play. It could make ppv2 a little more accurate if you chose to rank scores that wayTom94 wrote:
The rank which has a higher score will count, that is the one which will end up marked as your best in the ingame scoreboard.dukambe wrote:
Rank on user profile not the same as rank on performance page/country page, which i guess is because of some hidden players. (Example: dragonhuman #8 and #4 country on profile, #6 on performance and #2 on country page)
Also what happens if i get a higher performance on a song where i already had a ranking. Just for example if i have HD+HR on Remote Control and then DT fc it, would the DT fc count?
Thats entirely what HD is for. HR not enough to surpass HD plays? Use HDHR. DT not enough to surpass HDHR? Use DTHD.dukambe wrote:
Well, imo it should count, but sucks for the HD+HR players i guess..
That was just an extreme example, i guess it makes more sense if for example i have a normal FC on a song and then DT fc with slider break or 1 miss which is worth alot more in PP but less in score. So isn't that weird that the "better" performance score isn't counted because the "worse" score is worth more? Would make more sense to just use one ranking (PP) for everything.Soarezi wrote:
i doubt any of the current hd hr players on remote control could dt fc it anywaysdukambe wrote:
Well, imo it should count, but sucks for the HD+HR players i guess..
I agree to everything you've said. Also, I believe the actual rank of a score should be considered as well. This would indirectly increase the value of mods like FL and getting good accuracy on maps with complicated patterns.Kert wrote:
SPOILERhttp://osu.ppy.sh/b/269963?m=0 - random DT gives more points than
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/96095?m=0 with HR
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/49067?m=0 gives way too much points, cosnsidering it's a lot easier than any of the above
In general I feel that DT gives qute a lot more than it should and HR on really small circles isn't as rewarding
And also FL?
FL is not favoured at all?
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/18156 - this must be one of my top plays, yet it's nowhere close
(my assumption is results are ordered almost in the same way as in tp)
FL gives a huge bonus on maps which are hard to aim. I am tallking about a 36% increase. However if the movement of the map you played is not that complicated, then even FL won't be able to pull it up by much. I've already been considering to increase FL's bonus even further in the past, since it makes aiming so much harder.Kert wrote:
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/269963?m=0 - random DT gives more points than
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/96095?m=0 with HR
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/49067?m=0 gives way too much points, cosnsidering it's a lot easier than any of the above
In general I feel that DT gives qute a lot more than it should and HR on really small circles isn't as rewarding
And also FL?
FL is not favoured at all?
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/18156 - this must be one of my top plays, yet it's nowhere close
(my assumption is results are ordered almost in the same way as in tp)
This has been considered, but there are just too many cases where the scoring system fails in my opinion. Even having a small contribution could be fatal for some scores. As I said earlier, I am already thinking about way to increase the vallue of FlashLight without making it "overpowered" on harder maps. Pattern difficulty is not yet implemented but definitely planned.Ziggo wrote:
I agree to everything you've said. Also, I believe the actual rank of a score should be considered as well. This would indirectly increase the value of mods like FL and getting good accuracy on maps with complicated patterns.
So we can better our accuracy or our score on that maps Your 10 best scores are listed in your profile in the "Top Ranks" tab.Minihanky wrote:
I would appreciate it, if we can have access to the list where our songs who counts in the pp system are listed
I wonder, would it be possible to add a score's pp value to the client? So we could see the pp contribution to every score in-game?Tom94 wrote:
Your 10 best scores are listed in your profile in the "Top Ranks" tab.
Tom94 wrote:
Your 10 best scores are listed in your profile in the "Top Ranks" tab.Minihanky wrote:
I would appreciate it, if we can have access to the list where our songs who counts in the pp system are listed
It is being considered. Can't say more yet, though.XGeneral2000 wrote:
I wonder, would it be possible to add a score's pp value to the client? So we could see the pp contribution to every score in-game?Tom94 wrote:
Your 10 best scores are listed in your profile in the "Top Ranks" tab.
I've spent more than a few hundred tries (not all at once of course) to FC that HR map, but managed to do DT in around 15Tom94 wrote:
As for the HR rank vs your DT rank. I believe they are both very good and will keep tweaking the difficulty algorithm. It's hard to calll one of them both better than the other with good reasoning.
And is there any way to integrate this with the client for beatmaps existing/already downloaded? So we can sort by difficulty in song select and it would be accurate?YayMii wrote:
Just a question: will the new PP difficulty algorithm be replacing the current in-game star difficulty rating in the future?
but if u get less accuracy than before ur rank goes upPurple wrote:
Only if you beat your old scoredukambe wrote:
Rank on user profile not the same as rank on performance page/country page, which i guess is because of some hidden players. (Example: dragonhuman #8 and #4 country on profile, #6 on performance and #2 on country page)
Also what happens if i get a higher performance on a song where i already had a ranking. Just for example if i have HD+HR on Remote Control and then DT fc it, would the DT fc count?
What osu!tp has been doing is not working that easily here, since the processor has to deal with far more than 100times as many scores. A per-score pp display is being considered, ingame and in the web. I'll probably propose an ingame difficulty display, incorporating mods, at some point as well when I have time.ohyou wrote:
Will there be an update to the current ingame or website UI in order to integrate the PP metrics?
What i mean is:
- A number before the map's title in the "Best Performance" section that shows how much pp you got from a play;
- An expansion to the "Best Performance" section (10 plays isn't that much);
- A way to see the "difficulty line" regarding to one or the other mod (i.e. to see how "hard" the song is if i play it with DT);
- A way to see how much pp you got from a particular play in game;
- A way to "sort" records by pp (like you can do it now - by country or by particular mod);
Basically most of the things the osu!tp has now.
Sorry for my english in advance.
TAG4 maps will be fixed as soon as per-hitobject data is available. Before that there is not much I can do due to the extreme difficulty spikes.Kert wrote:
I've spent more than a few hundred tries (not all at once of course) to FC that HR map, but managed to do DT in around 15Tom94 wrote:
As for the HR rank vs your DT rank. I believe they are both very good and will keep tweaking the difficulty algorithm. It's hard to calll one of them both better than the other with good reasoning.
I really believe it's because of very small circles which makes you miss a lot more often (it's CS6 with HR)
Ah, btw I forgot mentioning TAG maps
It's probably hard to take them into a count, but I'd like to see this tweaked too
That's exactly what I meant. The new difficulty algorithm rating isRaneFire wrote:
And is there any way to integrate this with the client for beatmaps existing/already downloaded? So we can sort by difficulty in song select and it would be accurate?YayMii wrote:
Just a question: will the new PP difficulty algorithm be replacing the current in-game star difficulty rating in the future?
Or is that what you meant?
. I wanna see them in game.R e d wrote:
ItHR still have a over value?
Lets have Thelewa for example: He is really good Hr Hd but he don't have so much speed and DT accuracy as SnowWhite, Dungeon or DragonHuman.
I Respect Thelewa. But still think he don't deserve 3#
I don't think it is possible since I don't think there is enough information stored to retrieve that value exactly.Salvage wrote:
What about considering accuracy with unstable rate? Or is it that hard to calculate on every map played?.
The score rank you get on a map does not matter at all for the new pp. Only your performance together with the beatmap difficulty counts. Maybe the map was really hard? I've seen a C in jesus1412's best performance list and it was a crazy hard DT score, about as hard as FCing mendes with DoubleTime. I'll take a look what's happening with your scores, though.Wojowu wrote:
I think this is a lot more fair than old pp system. One thing I wanted to say is that some scores are overestimated: my score on this map: http://osu.ppy.sh/b/338594&m=0 is 300 combo (with over 800 full combo) and 84,44% acc. Because it's fresh map I have #84, and probably for that reason it landed in my Top Ranks. I wouldn't consider this a good score, so I wonder why it's so high performance.
Also, because of that single score, my overall acc fell from 95,51% to 95,15%, which isn't cool :/
thelewa only makes us believe he'd be slow. He 99.5%ed Chipscape! That's not slow. His top scores might not be the fastest, but they are an amazing combination of speed, aim and acc. That being said it doesn't mean, that you are wrong. I am just mentioning it.R e d wrote:
ItHR still have a over value?
Lets have Thelewa for example: He is really good Hr Hd but he don't have so much speed and DT accuracy as SnowWhite, Dungeon or DragonHuman.
I Respect Thelewa. But still think he don't deserve 3#
Score improvements won't always benefit your pp. On a map which is really hard to DT beating your DT score with HR might actually reduce your pp. This is currently a limitation I wish there wouldn't be, but it exists.UE95 wrote:
Will my pp benefit in any shape or form if I keep improving my previous scores? Also, does it have to be a drastic improvement? I'm really sorry if these are dumb questions, I'm just a bit overwhelmed by this new system :/
Something similar to unstable rate is used. OD does play a huge role. We are already considering, to update the accuracy displayed in the player profiles to a more sensible measure, while maybe keeping the old value in parantheses.Salvage wrote:
What about calculating accuracy with unstable rate? Or is it that hard to calculate on every map played?.
You are correct. I wish this limitation wouldn't exist, but there is no possibility of changing it for the moment.MosaicII wrote:
DT is better for pp, as FL. If i haв highscore with DT, but i've broken my old DT-record with FL, my old reord must be deleted from base and i lose pp, isn't it?
For exampe, WoobWoofWolf has his the best record for "Saiya - Remote Control" beatmap now. He has 5 misses, but he used DT+HD mode. But SnowWhite played this map without DT, with HD+HR, have FC, but doesn't have this map for Best Perfomance. If WoobWoofWolf plays now map without mods and break his own records, he loses old records and loses pp.
So, best score for beatmap is not best pp. It is better to use DT and don't play other mods without DT. Is it wrong?
Full Tablet wrote:
I don't think it is possible since I don't think there is enough information stored to retrieve that value exactly.Salvage wrote:
What about considering accuracy with unstable rate? Or is it that hard to calculate on every map played?.
It can be estimated though, as long as you ignore sliders (since sliders can potentially increase UR without reducing accuracy, since they don't need to be hit accurately).
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