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Wow, Irreversible is finally scum.
Said the one who wants to massclaim all the time, and flips scum.
What XD
So why is massclaim scum-indicator in your opinion?
you propose an anti-town strategy (i've explained enough why it is anti town, i'm sorry that you're not able to understand it - i can explain again making best case scenario and worst case scenario if you need it) which would only go in scum's favor
You obviously can't see the pro of scumhunting out of 8 people instead of 12.
Also my question was directed to Irreversible.
Also my question was directed to Irreversible.
And Irreversible goes inactive once I ask him a question.
What the fuck, I don't have to stay here 24/7, what's wrong with your gameplay? seriously
even if we should massclaim (which we shouldn't) I say the back up shouldn't claim PR.
with the back up not claiming, we would have an ace hidden in our sleeve, so mafia can't just pew one PR after another, especially if town hasn't a doc.
with the back up not claiming, we would have an ace hidden in our sleeve, so mafia can't just pew one PR after another, especially if town hasn't a doc.
Because I asked you a question 1 minute after your reply? ;oIrreversible wrote:
What the fuck, I don't have to stay here 24/7, what's wrong with your gameplay? seriously
Vote: Tanzklaue
what should i make out of this vote, considering that we vote the lyncher, not the lynchee?
That you are Town.
oh, that's cool.
in that case, aside from me being neither passive nor actively aggressive, why am I town?
and why is the argument of the others against massclaims scummy, but mine isn't?
in that case, aside from me being neither passive nor actively aggressive, why am I town?
and why is the argument of the others against massclaims scummy, but mine isn't?
Because you're actively trying to improve the possible massclaim tactic in case it ACTUALLY happens.
Answers both of your questions.
Answers both of your questions.
Also you won't do anything stupid with the lynch powers.
oh i see that you're well informedfartownik wrote:
That you are Town.
The point of your comment is... ?
here's the problem with massclaim
sure, scum only has a 2/5 chance of claiming an unused PR. that's great. but that requires claiming the exact roles, which we've already agreed screws everything up > < if we're just claiming PR or not, then it makes it way easier to put up a fakeclaim, since scum just kills off all the PRs and then they get a better idea of which ones are free
also, why can't MC happen later? if we can keep all our PRs till the day before LYLO, then it'll be way more useful bc we'll have a bunch of conftowns to do POE. and if not then it's just the same result as MC'ing now and having scum kill all the PRs off. I'm all for massclaim, but it's way better to do it later as opposed to now 0.0
sure, scum only has a 2/5 chance of claiming an unused PR. that's great. but that requires claiming the exact roles, which we've already agreed screws everything up > < if we're just claiming PR or not, then it makes it way easier to put up a fakeclaim, since scum just kills off all the PRs and then they get a better idea of which ones are free
also, why can't MC happen later? if we can keep all our PRs till the day before LYLO, then it'll be way more useful bc we'll have a bunch of conftowns to do POE. and if not then it's just the same result as MC'ing now and having scum kill all the PRs off. I'm all for massclaim, but it's way better to do it later as opposed to now 0.0
you can be townCTs-Th wrote:
Ahhhh... math...
imo mc can wait till later, we haven't even had a night yet, mc is just giving scum all the information they need to win the game.
I don't agree with the massclaim as of now.
While I don't have any math to back me up, I do know from experience that scum very nearly won Stacking the Deck with the D1 massclaim, had they not made a mistake late game.
You should know this the best, fart, since that scum was you.
While I don't have any math to back me up, I do know from experience that scum very nearly won Stacking the Deck with the D1 massclaim, had they not made a mistake late game.
You should know this the best, fart, since that scum was you.
This point has pretty much run its course.
Now let's continue with voting for CTs, thanks.
Now let's continue with voting for CTs, thanks.
Okay, fine for now. The massclaim doesn't have to go D1, obviously. I still think it will be a really good thing to do in next days, but I only brought it up today to get early reactions out of everyone and cut off the RVS.
By the way, we have to choose the Leader. Please post your best candidates for that position and why you think he should be one, I already voted for Tanz. When we're done voting, we will start an unofficial vote for the lynchee. The priority for now.
Caligno, so you want CTs as the Leader? Are you sure?
By the way, we have to choose the Leader. Please post your best candidates for that position and why you think he should be one, I already voted for Tanz. When we're done voting, we will start an unofficial vote for the lynchee. The priority for now.
Caligno, so you want CTs as the Leader? Are you sure?
Oh, that's interesting, because he was one of my scumreads. Mind explaining?
Because his vote wasn't useless as most of the really early ones were.
Seriously, voting for yourself is like the single most useless thing you can do at the start of the day in this situation.
Seriously, voting for yourself is like the single most useless thing you can do at the start of the day in this situation.
I don't see anything useful in this RANDOM VOTE.CTs-Th wrote:
Let's see...
Vote: pieguy1372
Random vote is random... XD
I don't see how it indicates alignment anyhow, you're making something up.
And I don't like how pieguy has read CTs as Town with a similar, weird manner as you, though you probably wouldn't make such mistake if you were partners.
OR WOULD YOU
Congratulations, you've figured out a lot of my very early game town strategy.fartownik wrote:
I don't see how it indicates alignment anyhow, you're making something up.
But in all seriousness, I already answered that point. In a game where you vote for who you think is town, RVS suddenly becomes a hell of a lot less useful since votes are the most anti-pressure thing you can do. Voting for someone else, even at random, is a hell of a lot more useful than that.
So why exactly are pieguy and kevincela not in the same vote? Because they bandwagoned.
Is the choice of leader really that important? Obviously the most pro-town should be chosen, but if the lynch was PVoted on, then anyone could just lynch according to what the majority wants. There is no incentive to lynch otherwise, a scum leader would just out himself and the majority's lynch for the next few days. Of course, this banks on the fact that the lynch methods are also democratic.
lynch methods in the next few days are also democratic*
I agree with that, but it's still important to pick someone who doesn't end up treating the power as Day Vigilante (BRBP D:). We must be sure of that.
Also the person should be active enough and be up to make votecounts out of PVotes.
Also the person should be active enough and be up to make votecounts out of PVotes.
I don't think leader voting is enough of a deal to consider what CTs did as Town. Your read doesn't speak to me at all.CalignoBot wrote:
Congratulations, you've figured out a lot of my very early game town strategy.fartownik wrote:
I don't see how it indicates alignment anyhow, you're making something up.
But in all seriousness, I already answered that point. In a game where you vote for who you think is town, RVS suddenly becomes a hell of a lot less useful since votes are the most anti-pressure thing you can do. Voting for someone else, even at random, is a hell of a lot more useful than that.
So why exactly are pieguy and kevincela not in the same vote? Because they bandwagoned.
If you have any ideas for concrete reads based on what we have so far, I'm all ears.
Incorrect. I would never elect a pro-town with reads that are complete shit.Jinxy wrote:
Obviously the most pro-town should be chosen
Okay.CalignoBot wrote:
If you have any ideas for concrete reads based on what we have so far, I'm all ears.
All the RVS are null. I will consider everything that happened after my idea of massclaim.
I've found your and Sephibro's responses the most scummy of all, and I already mentioned that. Both early scumreads.
Irreversible got mad after calling him scum.
"and flips scum."Irreversible wrote:
Said the one who wants to massclaim all the time, and flips scum.
I still don't get this part.
Also 1 minute after that, I asked him a question. He didn't reply to it for about an hour so I called him out for leaving the discussion in the middle. He came even more mad and STILL DIDN'T REPLY. Irre is also scum.
rEdo is null-Town and Tanz is Town.
So you prefer to pick the scummiest one out of all?CalignoBot wrote:
Incorrect. I would never elect a pro-town with reads that are complete shit.Jinxy wrote:
Obviously the most pro-town should be chosen
My read on CTs is actually completely backwards from CB's.
also
also
this doesn't make sense, if you see someone pro-town that means you already have a town read, and does that mean you would rather lynch someone scummy?CalignoBot wrote:
Incorrect. I would never elect a pro-town with reads that are complete shit.Jinxy wrote:
Obviously the most pro-town should be chosen
EBWOP: Give king to someone scummy*
fartownik wrote:
So you prefer to pick the scummiest one out of all?CalignoBot wrote:
Incorrect. I would never elect a pro-town with reads that are complete shit.
I find this response incredibly interesting, as it completely assumes that I'll only ever have one town read in the entire game.Nyquill wrote:
this doesn't make sense, if you see someone pro-town that means you already have a town read, and does that mean you would rather lynch someone scummy?CalignoBot wrote:
Incorrect. I would never elect a pro-town with reads that are complete shit.
One person is confirmed town. By your logic, he should instantly be given the rights to make the vote in this situation. However, let's say he also has my three biggest townreads outside of him as his scumpool. Do you really think I would want him to have the sole lynch power?
Believe it or not, your play can be incredibly town while still having abysmal reads.
what the fuck?
no what the actual fuck I have no clue what calignobot is talking about, someone else understand?
Whoa, such an active game.
Well, I just post only 1 post after the game start, how did that possible for me to look scum/town?
And, why did you want a newbie like me to be a leader? Anything behind the curtain?
WAT?CalignoBot wrote:
Now let's continue with voting for CTs, thanks.
NO!fartownik wrote:
Caligno, so you want CTs as the Leader? Are you sure?
Well, I just post only 1 post after the game start, how did that possible for me to look scum/town?
And, why did you want a newbie like me to be a leader? Anything behind the curtain?
For example, X is a conftown. However, he thinks Y and Z are scum and basically tunnels on them, despite the rest of the players not agreeing with him. If he gets voted to be leader, he might lynch Y or Z over what the majority wants. And the majority doesn't want that to happen. You know, a little like p/2464657 .Nyquill wrote:
no what the actual fuck I have no clue what calignobot is talking about, someone else understand?
Though I feel that this is derailing a little because no one's conftown on D1, anyway.
Topic Starter
VOTE COUNT 1.3
Nyquill (2) - Nyquill, pieguy1372
Sephibro (2) - Sephibro, -kevincela-
pieguy1372 (1) - CTs-Th
Irreversible (1) - Irreversible
CTs-Th (1) - CalignoBot
Tanzklaue (1) - fartownik
Not Voting (4) - Raging Bull, rEdo, Jinxy, Tanzklaue
The machine beeps, "JUST A REMINDER, IF NO LEADER IS ELECTED BY DEADLINE, NO LYNCH WILL OCCUR."
Nyquill (2) - Nyquill, pieguy1372
Sephibro (2) - Sephibro, -kevincela-
pieguy1372 (1) - CTs-Th
Irreversible (1) - Irreversible
CTs-Th (1) - CalignoBot
Tanzklaue (1) - fartownik
Not Voting (4) - Raging Bull, rEdo, Jinxy, Tanzklaue
The machine beeps, "JUST A REMINDER, IF NO LEADER IS ELECTED BY DEADLINE, NO LYNCH WILL OCCUR."
jesus gone at work for a while andso much. pleasew wait
I feel like theres nothing for me to add since I'm like 10 hours late (and not really feeling into the game as of now)
pieguy, why vote Nyquill and FoS him? Wouldn't that mean you are going to vote the leader you think is scum?
I like rEdo observation here in the massclaim tactic.
Felt like a reaction test to me but I'll play along. Why would you care since the votes were RVS? And I'm sure you know its RVS.
Then Sephibro and farto. Nothing new.
Irreversible says for the children twice now. Not sure what is so significant of this post nor how it helps anyone.
Irre, do you have something else to say besides children?
Seems pretty weak to accuse someone as scum. Or if not, it really seems like that was the intention.
Good suggestion.
farto, do you think pieguy is town after this post?
Rather pings me for some odd reason.Can't tell why but it doesn't seem like a genuine reaction on what Calingo said.
Seems towny reaction from CTs. Scum would probably be happy about it instead of just asking why would we vote him.
And what does p mean in pvote? proposed vote?
Vote:CTs
pieguy, why vote Nyquill and FoS him? Wouldn't that mean you are going to vote the leader you think is scum?
I like rEdo observation here in the massclaim tactic.
Felt like a reaction test to me but I'll play along. Why would you care since the votes were RVS? And I'm sure you know its RVS.
Then Sephibro and farto. Nothing new.
Irreversible says for the children twice now. Not sure what is so significant of this post nor how it helps anyone.
Irre, do you have something else to say besides children?
Seems pretty weak to accuse someone as scum. Or if not, it really seems like that was the intention.
Good suggestion.
farto, do you think pieguy is town after this post?
Rather pings me for some odd reason.Can't tell why but it doesn't seem like a genuine reaction on what Calingo said.
Seems towny reaction from CTs. Scum would probably be happy about it instead of just asking why would we vote him.
And what does p mean in pvote? proposed vote?
Vote:CTs
@Mod: What's pvote? (I think it's a protect vote.)
I don't know what to say... *Stays in silent...*
I don't know what to say... *Stays in silent...*
I suggested P(seudo) Voting to vote for who we want lynched, since votes are now being tallied to who is chosen to be leader.
PUnvote: Nyquill
Lynch Vote Count
-kevincela- (1) - Nyquill
PUnvote: Nyquill
Lynch Vote Count
-kevincela- (1) - Nyquill
okay i'll try to explain why farto's massclaim strategy CAN'T help town in a way that everyone can understand:
scum will NEVER all claim VT. one of them (probably the goon) will claim PR, the other 2 will claim VT
PRs will have to fully claim their roles, and scum has a 50% (actually more than 50%, but let's round it) chance of going away with a lucky claim
>in this case we're going to trade information about all our PRs for:
50% chance of getting the only information that 1 scum is among the 5 PR claims and the other 2 scum are among the 7 VT claims (worst case scenario)
50% chance of getting a crossclaim, so a 1v1 (best case scenario)
so now please stop even taking it into account or saying "mmm no i don't want mc because i heard mc d1 is bad"
it's a pro-scum strategy, and this farto fighting so much for it smells very scummy
scum will NEVER all claim VT. one of them (probably the goon) will claim PR, the other 2 will claim VT
PRs will have to fully claim their roles, and scum has a 50% (actually more than 50%, but let's round it) chance of going away with a lucky claim
>in this case we're going to trade information about all our PRs for:
50% chance of getting the only information that 1 scum is among the 5 PR claims and the other 2 scum are among the 7 VT claims (worst case scenario)
50% chance of getting a crossclaim, so a 1v1 (best case scenario)
so now please stop even taking it into account or saying "mmm no i don't want mc because i heard mc d1 is bad"
it's a pro-scum strategy, and this farto fighting so much for it smells very scummy
now, we don't have to talk about who should we elect lyncher and why, because the lyncher won't do anything without our consensus.
we have to decide who we want to lynch, then we can elect anyone who's not the lynchee
null-town: Nyquill, Irre, Jinxy
null-scum: CalignoBot, pieguy
scum: fartownik
pvote: fartownik
we have to decide who we want to lynch, then we can elect anyone who's not the lynchee
null-town: Nyquill, Irre, Jinxy
null-scum: CalignoBot, pieguy
scum: fartownik
pvote: fartownik
tbh it doesn't really seem a good motivation. Just because he didn't reply to your question there doesen't necessarily mean he's a scum, I don't think that this kind of attitude is so suspicious right now :\fartownik wrote:
"and flips scum."Irreversible wrote:
Said the one who wants to massclaim all the time, and flips scum.
I still don't get this part.
Also 1 minute after that, I asked him a question. He didn't reply to it for about an hour so I called him out for leaving the discussion in the middle. He came even more mad and STILL DIDN'T REPLY. Irre is also scum.
I don't really get this whole CTs voting here, just because he didn't do anything particulary scummy doesn't make him town in my eyes.
I also have the distinct feeling that one of farto or sephibro are scum (or is it normal for the 2 to behave like this? i wasn't here for such a long time)
jinxy looks the most town to me, as he doesn't do silly votes based of a random vote.
I don't have any reads on the rest of you, though all the peeps that voted for themselves are a little more scummy than the ones that didn't.
Vote: Jinxy
I also have the distinct feeling that one of farto or sephibro are scum (or is it normal for the 2 to behave like this? i wasn't here for such a long time)
jinxy looks the most town to me, as he doesn't do silly votes based of a random vote.
I don't have any reads on the rest of you, though all the peeps that voted for themselves are a little more scummy than the ones that didn't.
Vote: Jinxy
Well, it kinda sucks that it always happens the same.
I say something random, I'm scum. Surprise: I'm not.
Sephibro and fartownik fighting because of massclaim, the usual stuff.
Then CalignoBot says something like "If you voted yourself, I'm not going to vote you". And? What do you wanna reach with that comment?
I don't know, but I pretty much loose any motiviation as soon as fartownik has his 5 minutes again, which pretty much goes over the whole game.
I say something random, I'm scum. Surprise: I'm not.
Sephibro and fartownik fighting because of massclaim, the usual stuff.
Then CalignoBot says something like "If you voted yourself, I'm not going to vote you". And? What do you wanna reach with that comment?
I don't know, but I pretty much loose any motiviation as soon as fartownik has his 5 minutes again, which pretty much goes over the whole game.
I can, yes. why?Sephibro wrote:
tanzklaue can you read
Sephibro wrote:
we have to decide who we want to lynch, then we can elect anyone who's not the lynchee
there is the chance of the lyncher doing what he wants. especially with you and farto hating each others guts.Sephibro wrote:
Sephibro wrote:
we have to decide who we want to lynch, then we can elect anyone who's not the lynchee
the vote for the lyncher is basically my confirmation that jinxy is my best townread, and atm, except for you and farto, i have nobody who pings me as scum.
and getting lynched d2Tanzklaue wrote:
there is the chance of the lyncher doing what he wants.
as CB said, what if the lyncher is obv town, but still didn't lynch the guy we wanted?Sephibro wrote:
and getting lynched d2Tanzklaue wrote:
there is the chance of the lyncher doing what he wants.
also, a scum lyncher could be perfectly fine with lynching his teammates, because it essentially would make him pro town for all the others (we basically give him a perfect bus). an scum lyncher would probably be the only one who wouldn't lynch after consensus for the sake of him not losing his cover.
I agree, we need a lynchee, but we also should chose our lyncher wisely.
Irre, could you explain the bolded part? What exactly are you referring to?Irreversible wrote:
Said the one who wants to massclaim all the time, and flips scum.
Unvote
Vote: JInxy
It's fine.
Vote: JInxy
It's fine.
Perhaps you should start playing like Town and not Anti-town all the time?Irreversible wrote:
Well, it kinda sucks that it always happens the same.
I say something random, I'm scum. Surprise: I'm not.
Sephibro and fartownik fighting because of massclaim, the usual stuff.
Then CalignoBot says something like "If you voted yourself, I'm not going to vote you". And? What do you wanna reach with that comment?
I don't know, but I pretty much loose any motiviation as soon as fartownik has his 5 minutes again, which pretty much goes over the whole game.
No.Raging Bull wrote:
Good suggestion.
farto, do you think pieguy is town after this post?
define obvtownTanzklaue wrote:
as CB said, what if the lyncher is obv town, but still didn't lynch the guy we wanted?
btw you wrote yourself the reason why it's not important the lyncher, but the lynchee
Refering to the last game i played. As far as I remember he wanted to massclaim too, wasn't it like that? Well, maybe I Play too less, but being that agressive is just suspsicipon imo.
No.Irreversible wrote:
Refering to the last game i played. As far as I remember he wanted to massclaim too, wasn't it like that?
And no.Irreversible wrote:
Well, maybe I Play too less, but being that agressive is just suspsicipon imo.
and
Irreversible wrote:
suspsicipon
Irreversible wrote:
fanderwik
Irreversible wrote:
suspsicipon fanderwik :S
sounds like a new pokemonIrreversible wrote:
suspsicipon
let's wait for a new pokemon Edition, maybe it'll be a pokemon 
Percisely your last point, no one is confirmed town, so I have no idea where calignobot pulled that out of.Jinxy wrote:
For example, X is a conftown. However, he thinks Y and Z are scum and basically tunnels on them, despite the rest of the players not agreeing with him. If he gets voted to be leader, he might lynch Y or Z over what the majority wants. And the majority doesn't want that to happen. You know, a little like p/2464657 .Nyquill wrote:
no what the actual fuck I have no clue what calignobot is talking about, someone else understand?
Though I feel that this is derailing a little because no one's conftown on D1, anyway.
oh and PUnvote
Does vote and pvote are the same right now? I'm confusing. ._.
vote = lyncherCTs-Th wrote:
Does vote and pvote are the same right now? I'm confusing. ._.
pvote = lynchee
the pvote is an unofficial vote.
If it's RVS, then that makes it worse. The point of RVS is to get OUT of RVS, and voting for yourself in this situation does literally fuck all to do that.Raging Bull wrote:
Felt like a reaction test to me but I'll play along. Why would you care since the votes were RVS? And I'm sure you know its RVS.
For the last time, it was an example. I used conftown to prove a point, not to say that anyone here is that yet.Nyquill wrote:
Percisely your last point, no one is confirmed town, so I have no idea where calignobot pulled that out of.Jinxy wrote:
For example, X is a conftown. However, he thinks Y and Z are scum and basically tunnels on them, despite the rest of the players not agreeing with him. If he gets voted to be leader, he might lynch Y or Z over what the majority wants. And the majority doesn't want that to happen. You know, a little like http://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/2464657 .
Though I feel that this is derailing a little because no one's conftown on D1, anyway.
Town: Tanzklaue, Raging Bull, CTs-Th
Scum: Nyquill, fartownik
Scum: Nyquill, fartownik
It really doesn't matter much who's gonna be the lyncher, just vote JInxy and let's focus on the real voting as quick as possible.
And why am I scum now?
finally something that makes sensefartownik wrote:
It really doesn't matter much who's gonna be the lyncher, just vote JInxy and let's focus on the real voting as quick as possible.
vote: Jinxy
I won't be surprised if you flip scum in this game :s
If you think so.
Topic Starter
VOTE COUNT 1.4
Jinxy (3) - Tanzklaue, fartownik, Sephibro
Nyquill (2) - Nyquill, pieguy1372
CTs-Th (2) - CalignoBot, Raging Bull
pieguy1372 (1) - CTs-Th
Irreversible (1) - Irreversible
Sephibro (1) - -kevincela-
Not Voting (2) - rEdo, Jinxy
Jinxy (3) - Tanzklaue, fartownik, Sephibro
Nyquill (2) - Nyquill, pieguy1372
CTs-Th (2) - CalignoBot, Raging Bull
pieguy1372 (1) - CTs-Th
Irreversible (1) - Irreversible
Sephibro (1) - -kevincela-
Not Voting (2) - rEdo, Jinxy
All right then!
Unvote
Vote: Jinxy
Unvote
Vote: Jinxy
ok, pls don't hammer jinxy before we have decided on the lynchee.
why can't we hammer jinxy before we decide on the lynchee? The deadline doesn't change either way.
it doesn't? then we can hammer him before deciding on a lynchee.Nyquill wrote:
why can't we hammer jinxy before we decide on the lynchee? The deadline doesn't change either way.
I'm sorry for the inconvenience then.
Also, I still don't understand how that example was relevant but I really don't want to confuse myself more with something unimportant.
Vote Jinxy
NoHitter wrote:
There is no change. The deadline will remain the same, which is one week.
Vote Jinxy
Disingenuous response to my points, suggesting the massclaim (you should know EXACTLY why I find this a scumtell), trying to attack me finding CTs town for very little when there's pretty much no chance of his scumread being anything else.fartownik wrote:
And why am I scum now?
Because both you and fartownik literally asked why I wouldn't just vote anyone I find protown, but whatever. Go ahead and keep deflecting.Nyquill wrote:
Also, I still don't understand how that example was relevant but I really don't want to confuse myself more with something unimportant.
I like how this wagon on someone who has displayed virtually no reads is primarily being pushed by my scumreads.
I'm not touching this wagon with a 20-foot pole.
I'm not touching this wagon with a 20-foot pole.
Actually, I will only ever support finishing a wagon on someone who has made their reads clear. This strategy of just putting someone random in power without fully discussing these is incredibly worse information-wise.
yea, I am also getting suspicious of how fast the wagon grew.CalignoBot wrote:
I like how this wagon on someone who has displayed virtually no reads is primarily being pushed by my scumreads.
I'm not touching this wagon with a 20-foot pole.
farto, why were you suddenly ok with pushing jinxy when there was no indicator that he was a better choice than me?
to the rest who votes jinxy now, why did you vote him?
caligno, you realize that the lyncher will execute the one we ask him to, don't you?
choosing one is a mere formality
choosing one is a mere formality
And fully choosing who the lyncher executes guts information. Just giving them a choice and seeing what is chosen is information in of itself.
You do realize that gaining information is the biggest goal of day 1, right?
You do realize that gaining information is the biggest goal of day 1, right?
By that same token, just choosing one willy nilly also guts information and gives mafia a lot more influence on who is chosen.
Seriously this is not a good idea and it should stop.
Seriously this is not a good idea and it should stop.