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Is the choice of leader really that important? Obviously the most pro-town should be chosen, but if the lynch was PVoted on, then anyone could just lynch according to what the majority wants. There is no incentive to lynch otherwise, a scum leader would just out himself and the majority's lynch for the next few days. Of course, this banks on the fact that the lynch methods are also democratic.
lynch methods in the next few days are also democratic*
I agree with that, but it's still important to pick someone who doesn't end up treating the power as Day Vigilante (BRBP D:). We must be sure of that.
Also the person should be active enough and be up to make votecounts out of PVotes.
Also the person should be active enough and be up to make votecounts out of PVotes.
I don't think leader voting is enough of a deal to consider what CTs did as Town. Your read doesn't speak to me at all.CalignoBot wrote:
Congratulations, you've figured out a lot of my very early game town strategy.fartownik wrote:
I don't see how it indicates alignment anyhow, you're making something up.
But in all seriousness, I already answered that point. In a game where you vote for who you think is town, RVS suddenly becomes a hell of a lot less useful since votes are the most anti-pressure thing you can do. Voting for someone else, even at random, is a hell of a lot more useful than that.
So why exactly are pieguy and kevincela not in the same vote? Because they bandwagoned.
If you have any ideas for concrete reads based on what we have so far, I'm all ears.
Incorrect. I would never elect a pro-town with reads that are complete shit.Jinxy wrote:
Obviously the most pro-town should be chosen
Okay.CalignoBot wrote:
If you have any ideas for concrete reads based on what we have so far, I'm all ears.
All the RVS are null. I will consider everything that happened after my idea of massclaim.
I've found your and Sephibro's responses the most scummy of all, and I already mentioned that. Both early scumreads.
Irreversible got mad after calling him scum.
"and flips scum."Irreversible wrote:
Said the one who wants to massclaim all the time, and flips scum.
I still don't get this part.
Also 1 minute after that, I asked him a question. He didn't reply to it for about an hour so I called him out for leaving the discussion in the middle. He came even more mad and STILL DIDN'T REPLY. Irre is also scum.
rEdo is null-Town and Tanz is Town.
So you prefer to pick the scummiest one out of all?CalignoBot wrote:
Incorrect. I would never elect a pro-town with reads that are complete shit.Jinxy wrote:
Obviously the most pro-town should be chosen
My read on CTs is actually completely backwards from CB's.
also
also
this doesn't make sense, if you see someone pro-town that means you already have a town read, and does that mean you would rather lynch someone scummy?CalignoBot wrote:
Incorrect. I would never elect a pro-town with reads that are complete shit.Jinxy wrote:
Obviously the most pro-town should be chosen
EBWOP: Give king to someone scummy*
fartownik wrote:
So you prefer to pick the scummiest one out of all?CalignoBot wrote:
Incorrect. I would never elect a pro-town with reads that are complete shit.
I find this response incredibly interesting, as it completely assumes that I'll only ever have one town read in the entire game.Nyquill wrote:
this doesn't make sense, if you see someone pro-town that means you already have a town read, and does that mean you would rather lynch someone scummy?CalignoBot wrote:
Incorrect. I would never elect a pro-town with reads that are complete shit.
One person is confirmed town. By your logic, he should instantly be given the rights to make the vote in this situation. However, let's say he also has my three biggest townreads outside of him as his scumpool. Do you really think I would want him to have the sole lynch power?
Believe it or not, your play can be incredibly town while still having abysmal reads.
what the fuck?
no what the actual fuck I have no clue what calignobot is talking about, someone else understand?
Whoa, such an active game.
Well, I just post only 1 post after the game start, how did that possible for me to look scum/town?
And, why did you want a newbie like me to be a leader? Anything behind the curtain?
WAT?CalignoBot wrote:
Now let's continue with voting for CTs, thanks.
NO!fartownik wrote:
Caligno, so you want CTs as the Leader? Are you sure?
Well, I just post only 1 post after the game start, how did that possible for me to look scum/town?
And, why did you want a newbie like me to be a leader? Anything behind the curtain?
For example, X is a conftown. However, he thinks Y and Z are scum and basically tunnels on them, despite the rest of the players not agreeing with him. If he gets voted to be leader, he might lynch Y or Z over what the majority wants. And the majority doesn't want that to happen. You know, a little like p/2464657 .Nyquill wrote:
no what the actual fuck I have no clue what calignobot is talking about, someone else understand?
Though I feel that this is derailing a little because no one's conftown on D1, anyway.
Topic Starter
VOTE COUNT 1.3
Nyquill (2) - Nyquill, pieguy1372
Sephibro (2) - Sephibro, -kevincela-
pieguy1372 (1) - CTs-Th
Irreversible (1) - Irreversible
CTs-Th (1) - CalignoBot
Tanzklaue (1) - fartownik
Not Voting (4) - Raging Bull, rEdo, Jinxy, Tanzklaue
The machine beeps, "JUST A REMINDER, IF NO LEADER IS ELECTED BY DEADLINE, NO LYNCH WILL OCCUR."
Nyquill (2) - Nyquill, pieguy1372
Sephibro (2) - Sephibro, -kevincela-
pieguy1372 (1) - CTs-Th
Irreversible (1) - Irreversible
CTs-Th (1) - CalignoBot
Tanzklaue (1) - fartownik
Not Voting (4) - Raging Bull, rEdo, Jinxy, Tanzklaue
The machine beeps, "JUST A REMINDER, IF NO LEADER IS ELECTED BY DEADLINE, NO LYNCH WILL OCCUR."
jesus gone at work for a while andso much. pleasew wait
I feel like theres nothing for me to add since I'm like 10 hours late (and not really feeling into the game as of now)
pieguy, why vote Nyquill and FoS him? Wouldn't that mean you are going to vote the leader you think is scum?
I like rEdo observation here in the massclaim tactic.
Felt like a reaction test to me but I'll play along. Why would you care since the votes were RVS? And I'm sure you know its RVS.
Then Sephibro and farto. Nothing new.
Irreversible says for the children twice now. Not sure what is so significant of this post nor how it helps anyone.
Irre, do you have something else to say besides children?
Seems pretty weak to accuse someone as scum. Or if not, it really seems like that was the intention.
Good suggestion.
farto, do you think pieguy is town after this post?
Rather pings me for some odd reason.Can't tell why but it doesn't seem like a genuine reaction on what Calingo said.
Seems towny reaction from CTs. Scum would probably be happy about it instead of just asking why would we vote him.
And what does p mean in pvote? proposed vote?
Vote:CTs
pieguy, why vote Nyquill and FoS him? Wouldn't that mean you are going to vote the leader you think is scum?
I like rEdo observation here in the massclaim tactic.
Felt like a reaction test to me but I'll play along. Why would you care since the votes were RVS? And I'm sure you know its RVS.
Then Sephibro and farto. Nothing new.
Irreversible says for the children twice now. Not sure what is so significant of this post nor how it helps anyone.
Irre, do you have something else to say besides children?
Seems pretty weak to accuse someone as scum. Or if not, it really seems like that was the intention.
Good suggestion.
farto, do you think pieguy is town after this post?
Rather pings me for some odd reason.Can't tell why but it doesn't seem like a genuine reaction on what Calingo said.
Seems towny reaction from CTs. Scum would probably be happy about it instead of just asking why would we vote him.
And what does p mean in pvote? proposed vote?
Vote:CTs
@Mod: What's pvote? (I think it's a protect vote.)
I don't know what to say... *Stays in silent...*
I don't know what to say... *Stays in silent...*
I suggested P(seudo) Voting to vote for who we want lynched, since votes are now being tallied to who is chosen to be leader.
PUnvote: Nyquill
Lynch Vote Count
-kevincela- (1) - Nyquill
PUnvote: Nyquill
Lynch Vote Count
-kevincela- (1) - Nyquill
okay i'll try to explain why farto's massclaim strategy CAN'T help town in a way that everyone can understand:
scum will NEVER all claim VT. one of them (probably the goon) will claim PR, the other 2 will claim VT
PRs will have to fully claim their roles, and scum has a 50% (actually more than 50%, but let's round it) chance of going away with a lucky claim
>in this case we're going to trade information about all our PRs for:
50% chance of getting the only information that 1 scum is among the 5 PR claims and the other 2 scum are among the 7 VT claims (worst case scenario)
50% chance of getting a crossclaim, so a 1v1 (best case scenario)
so now please stop even taking it into account or saying "mmm no i don't want mc because i heard mc d1 is bad"
it's a pro-scum strategy, and this farto fighting so much for it smells very scummy
scum will NEVER all claim VT. one of them (probably the goon) will claim PR, the other 2 will claim VT
PRs will have to fully claim their roles, and scum has a 50% (actually more than 50%, but let's round it) chance of going away with a lucky claim
>in this case we're going to trade information about all our PRs for:
50% chance of getting the only information that 1 scum is among the 5 PR claims and the other 2 scum are among the 7 VT claims (worst case scenario)
50% chance of getting a crossclaim, so a 1v1 (best case scenario)
so now please stop even taking it into account or saying "mmm no i don't want mc because i heard mc d1 is bad"
it's a pro-scum strategy, and this farto fighting so much for it smells very scummy
now, we don't have to talk about who should we elect lyncher and why, because the lyncher won't do anything without our consensus.
we have to decide who we want to lynch, then we can elect anyone who's not the lynchee
null-town: Nyquill, Irre, Jinxy
null-scum: CalignoBot, pieguy
scum: fartownik
pvote: fartownik
we have to decide who we want to lynch, then we can elect anyone who's not the lynchee
null-town: Nyquill, Irre, Jinxy
null-scum: CalignoBot, pieguy
scum: fartownik
pvote: fartownik
tbh it doesn't really seem a good motivation. Just because he didn't reply to your question there doesen't necessarily mean he's a scum, I don't think that this kind of attitude is so suspicious right now :\fartownik wrote:
"and flips scum."Irreversible wrote:
Said the one who wants to massclaim all the time, and flips scum.
I still don't get this part.
Also 1 minute after that, I asked him a question. He didn't reply to it for about an hour so I called him out for leaving the discussion in the middle. He came even more mad and STILL DIDN'T REPLY. Irre is also scum.
I don't really get this whole CTs voting here, just because he didn't do anything particulary scummy doesn't make him town in my eyes.
I also have the distinct feeling that one of farto or sephibro are scum (or is it normal for the 2 to behave like this? i wasn't here for such a long time)
jinxy looks the most town to me, as he doesn't do silly votes based of a random vote.
I don't have any reads on the rest of you, though all the peeps that voted for themselves are a little more scummy than the ones that didn't.
Vote: Jinxy
I also have the distinct feeling that one of farto or sephibro are scum (or is it normal for the 2 to behave like this? i wasn't here for such a long time)
jinxy looks the most town to me, as he doesn't do silly votes based of a random vote.
I don't have any reads on the rest of you, though all the peeps that voted for themselves are a little more scummy than the ones that didn't.
Vote: Jinxy
Well, it kinda sucks that it always happens the same.
I say something random, I'm scum. Surprise: I'm not.
Sephibro and fartownik fighting because of massclaim, the usual stuff.
Then CalignoBot says something like "If you voted yourself, I'm not going to vote you". And? What do you wanna reach with that comment?
I don't know, but I pretty much loose any motiviation as soon as fartownik has his 5 minutes again, which pretty much goes over the whole game.
I say something random, I'm scum. Surprise: I'm not.
Sephibro and fartownik fighting because of massclaim, the usual stuff.
Then CalignoBot says something like "If you voted yourself, I'm not going to vote you". And? What do you wanna reach with that comment?
I don't know, but I pretty much loose any motiviation as soon as fartownik has his 5 minutes again, which pretty much goes over the whole game.
I can, yes. why?Sephibro wrote:
tanzklaue can you read
Sephibro wrote:
we have to decide who we want to lynch, then we can elect anyone who's not the lynchee
there is the chance of the lyncher doing what he wants. especially with you and farto hating each others guts.Sephibro wrote:
Sephibro wrote:
we have to decide who we want to lynch, then we can elect anyone who's not the lynchee
the vote for the lyncher is basically my confirmation that jinxy is my best townread, and atm, except for you and farto, i have nobody who pings me as scum.
and getting lynched d2Tanzklaue wrote:
there is the chance of the lyncher doing what he wants.
as CB said, what if the lyncher is obv town, but still didn't lynch the guy we wanted?Sephibro wrote:
and getting lynched d2Tanzklaue wrote:
there is the chance of the lyncher doing what he wants.
also, a scum lyncher could be perfectly fine with lynching his teammates, because it essentially would make him pro town for all the others (we basically give him a perfect bus). an scum lyncher would probably be the only one who wouldn't lynch after consensus for the sake of him not losing his cover.
I agree, we need a lynchee, but we also should chose our lyncher wisely.
Irre, could you explain the bolded part? What exactly are you referring to?Irreversible wrote:
Said the one who wants to massclaim all the time, and flips scum.
Unvote
Vote: JInxy
It's fine.
Vote: JInxy
It's fine.
Perhaps you should start playing like Town and not Anti-town all the time?Irreversible wrote:
Well, it kinda sucks that it always happens the same.
I say something random, I'm scum. Surprise: I'm not.
Sephibro and fartownik fighting because of massclaim, the usual stuff.
Then CalignoBot says something like "If you voted yourself, I'm not going to vote you". And? What do you wanna reach with that comment?
I don't know, but I pretty much loose any motiviation as soon as fartownik has his 5 minutes again, which pretty much goes over the whole game.
No.Raging Bull wrote:
Good suggestion.
farto, do you think pieguy is town after this post?
define obvtownTanzklaue wrote:
as CB said, what if the lyncher is obv town, but still didn't lynch the guy we wanted?
btw you wrote yourself the reason why it's not important the lyncher, but the lynchee
Refering to the last game i played. As far as I remember he wanted to massclaim too, wasn't it like that? Well, maybe I Play too less, but being that agressive is just suspsicipon imo.
No.Irreversible wrote:
Refering to the last game i played. As far as I remember he wanted to massclaim too, wasn't it like that?
And no.Irreversible wrote:
Well, maybe I Play too less, but being that agressive is just suspsicipon imo.
and
Irreversible wrote:
suspsicipon
Irreversible wrote:
fanderwik
Irreversible wrote:
suspsicipon fanderwik :S
sounds like a new pokemonIrreversible wrote:
suspsicipon
let's wait for a new pokemon Edition, maybe it'll be a pokemon 
Percisely your last point, no one is confirmed town, so I have no idea where calignobot pulled that out of.Jinxy wrote:
For example, X is a conftown. However, he thinks Y and Z are scum and basically tunnels on them, despite the rest of the players not agreeing with him. If he gets voted to be leader, he might lynch Y or Z over what the majority wants. And the majority doesn't want that to happen. You know, a little like p/2464657 .Nyquill wrote:
no what the actual fuck I have no clue what calignobot is talking about, someone else understand?
Though I feel that this is derailing a little because no one's conftown on D1, anyway.
oh and PUnvote
Does vote and pvote are the same right now? I'm confusing. ._.
vote = lyncherCTs-Th wrote:
Does vote and pvote are the same right now? I'm confusing. ._.
pvote = lynchee
the pvote is an unofficial vote.
If it's RVS, then that makes it worse. The point of RVS is to get OUT of RVS, and voting for yourself in this situation does literally fuck all to do that.Raging Bull wrote:
Felt like a reaction test to me but I'll play along. Why would you care since the votes were RVS? And I'm sure you know its RVS.
For the last time, it was an example. I used conftown to prove a point, not to say that anyone here is that yet.Nyquill wrote:
Percisely your last point, no one is confirmed town, so I have no idea where calignobot pulled that out of.Jinxy wrote:
For example, X is a conftown. However, he thinks Y and Z are scum and basically tunnels on them, despite the rest of the players not agreeing with him. If he gets voted to be leader, he might lynch Y or Z over what the majority wants. And the majority doesn't want that to happen. You know, a little like http://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/2464657 .
Though I feel that this is derailing a little because no one's conftown on D1, anyway.
Town: Tanzklaue, Raging Bull, CTs-Th
Scum: Nyquill, fartownik
Scum: Nyquill, fartownik
It really doesn't matter much who's gonna be the lyncher, just vote JInxy and let's focus on the real voting as quick as possible.
And why am I scum now?
finally something that makes sensefartownik wrote:
It really doesn't matter much who's gonna be the lyncher, just vote JInxy and let's focus on the real voting as quick as possible.
vote: Jinxy
I won't be surprised if you flip scum in this game :s
If you think so.
Topic Starter
VOTE COUNT 1.4
Jinxy (3) - Tanzklaue, fartownik, Sephibro
Nyquill (2) - Nyquill, pieguy1372
CTs-Th (2) - CalignoBot, Raging Bull
pieguy1372 (1) - CTs-Th
Irreversible (1) - Irreversible
Sephibro (1) - -kevincela-
Not Voting (2) - rEdo, Jinxy
Jinxy (3) - Tanzklaue, fartownik, Sephibro
Nyquill (2) - Nyquill, pieguy1372
CTs-Th (2) - CalignoBot, Raging Bull
pieguy1372 (1) - CTs-Th
Irreversible (1) - Irreversible
Sephibro (1) - -kevincela-
Not Voting (2) - rEdo, Jinxy
All right then!
Unvote
Vote: Jinxy
Unvote
Vote: Jinxy
ok, pls don't hammer jinxy before we have decided on the lynchee.
why can't we hammer jinxy before we decide on the lynchee? The deadline doesn't change either way.
it doesn't? then we can hammer him before deciding on a lynchee.Nyquill wrote:
why can't we hammer jinxy before we decide on the lynchee? The deadline doesn't change either way.
I'm sorry for the inconvenience then.
Also, I still don't understand how that example was relevant but I really don't want to confuse myself more with something unimportant.
Vote Jinxy
NoHitter wrote:
There is no change. The deadline will remain the same, which is one week.
Vote Jinxy
Disingenuous response to my points, suggesting the massclaim (you should know EXACTLY why I find this a scumtell), trying to attack me finding CTs town for very little when there's pretty much no chance of his scumread being anything else.fartownik wrote:
And why am I scum now?
Because both you and fartownik literally asked why I wouldn't just vote anyone I find protown, but whatever. Go ahead and keep deflecting.Nyquill wrote:
Also, I still don't understand how that example was relevant but I really don't want to confuse myself more with something unimportant.
I like how this wagon on someone who has displayed virtually no reads is primarily being pushed by my scumreads.
I'm not touching this wagon with a 20-foot pole.
I'm not touching this wagon with a 20-foot pole.
Actually, I will only ever support finishing a wagon on someone who has made their reads clear. This strategy of just putting someone random in power without fully discussing these is incredibly worse information-wise.
yea, I am also getting suspicious of how fast the wagon grew.CalignoBot wrote:
I like how this wagon on someone who has displayed virtually no reads is primarily being pushed by my scumreads.
I'm not touching this wagon with a 20-foot pole.
farto, why were you suddenly ok with pushing jinxy when there was no indicator that he was a better choice than me?
to the rest who votes jinxy now, why did you vote him?
caligno, you realize that the lyncher will execute the one we ask him to, don't you?
choosing one is a mere formality
choosing one is a mere formality
And fully choosing who the lyncher executes guts information. Just giving them a choice and seeing what is chosen is information in of itself.
You do realize that gaining information is the biggest goal of day 1, right?
You do realize that gaining information is the biggest goal of day 1, right?
By that same token, just choosing one willy nilly also guts information and gives mafia a lot more influence on who is chosen.
Seriously this is not a good idea and it should stop.
Seriously this is not a good idea and it should stop.
kingmaker is a mechanic which gives much less information than a standard vote based one
our goal is to cheat this mechanic to be able to vote for the one we want to lynch, instead for the one who lynches
you know this and you hate this mechanic, why do you still want to use it when it limits the information we can get?
brb in 3~4 hrs
our goal is to cheat this mechanic to be able to vote for the one we want to lynch, instead for the one who lynches
you know this and you hate this mechanic, why do you still want to use it when it limits the information we can get?
brb in 3~4 hrs
What I'm suggesting is in between the two.
The kingmaker setup where we give the king the ability to go full retard and do whatever the hell he wants is retarded.
Similarly, choosing a random person and giving that person only one choice is similarly retarded.
The problems with the first are that the town can't control anything about what the kingmaker does, so we basically only get information based on what the king picks.
The problems with the second are exactly the opposite. The king gets no choice in anything, so what he ends up choosing is literally just a standard vote-based system.
We get the best of both worlds by mixing the two together. Having the town agree on a small lynch pool and having the lyncher choose from that pool gives us information from both ends of the spectrum.
The kingmaker setup where we give the king the ability to go full retard and do whatever the hell he wants is retarded.
Similarly, choosing a random person and giving that person only one choice is similarly retarded.
The problems with the first are that the town can't control anything about what the kingmaker does, so we basically only get information based on what the king picks.
The problems with the second are exactly the opposite. The king gets no choice in anything, so what he ends up choosing is literally just a standard vote-based system.
We get the best of both worlds by mixing the two together. Having the town agree on a small lynch pool and having the lyncher choose from that pool gives us information from both ends of the spectrum.
We do it democratic way, end of story. If the Lyncher disobeys, he will be punished the next day.
Also, keep in mind that the person chosen for the position will be lynch-immune today.
Also, keep in mind that the person chosen for the position will be lynch-immune today.
Because he's a good choice, and it's enough for me to vote him. Your 'wagon' was growing too slowly and jinxy already had some votes on him.Tanzklaue wrote:
farto, why were you suddenly ok with pushing jinxy when there was no indicator that he was a better choice than me?
to the rest who votes jinxy now, why did you vote him?
Notice how fartownik doesn't even try to disprove my point. Notice also how he's scum.
wrong, you were the second vote on jinxy after mine.fartownik wrote:
Because he's a good choice, and it's enough for me to vote him. Your 'wagon' was growing too slowly and jinxy already had some votes on him.Tanzklaue wrote:
farto, why were you suddenly ok with pushing jinxy when there was no indicator that he was a better choice than me?
to the rest who votes jinxy now, why did you vote him?
the wagon had like an hour to grow until you put your vote on jinxy.
so both your points that I care for here are blatant lies. it's funny, hadn't you added the second part, your answer would've been a lot more legit.
also pvote: fartownik
Calignobot's second on my list for overcomplicating things that don't matter.
No shit sherlock. You had one vote WHICH WAS MINE. JInxy had one vote WHICH WAS YOURS. If I add a vote on JInxy it GIVES TWO. I couldn't add more votes on you so I voted JINXY.Tanzklaue wrote:
wrong, you were the second vote on jinxy after mine.
the wagon had like an hour to grow until you put your vote on jinxy.
so both your points that I care for here are blatant lies. it's funny, hadn't you added the second part, your answer would've been a lot more legit.
Is this really so hard to understand?
Also uh oh caligno sweetheart I'm sorry. I will answer your pointy point right away.
I missread what you wrote, thinking that with "your 'wagon'" you meant the wagon on jinxy (since i was the first one to vote for jinxy, hence I'm the starter).fartownik wrote:
No shit sherlock. You had one vote WHICH WAS MINE. JInxy had one vote WHICH WAS YOURS. If I add a vote on JInxy it GIVES TWO. I couldn't add more votes on you so I voted JINXY.Tanzklaue wrote:
wrong, you were the second vote on jinxy after mine.
the wagon had like an hour to grow until you put your vote on jinxy.
so both your points that I care for here are blatant lies. it's funny, hadn't you added the second part, your answer would've been a lot more legit.
Is this really so hard to understand?
Also uh oh caligno sweetheart I'm sorry. I will answer your pointy point right away.
1. Where was I disingenuous.CalignoBot wrote:
Disingenuous response to my points, suggesting the massclaim (you should know EXACTLY why I find this a scumtell), trying to attack me finding CTs town for very little when there's pretty much no chance of his scumread being anything else.
2. I have no idea why you find this a scumtell, also I already admitted I've proposed it today for the reactions.
3. CTs had no chance to be read as Town by anyone by random voting.
Your point was shitty and I asked you an obvious question that comes to mind after reading it.CalignoBot wrote:
Because both you and fartownik literally asked why I wouldn't just vote anyone I find protown, but whatever. Go ahead and keep deflecting.Nyquill wrote:
Also, I still don't understand how that example was relevant but I really don't want to confuse myself more with something unimportant.
Jinxy didn't even say much so far, how did that wagon happen after all? I don't really understand.
/pissedoffownik
@mod: semi V/LA until 2nd of January. I'll be around and stuff, just don't expect me to be active. No prods please.
Also, gonna throw this in.
Vote: Jinxy
You guys have already mentioned it - there's no real difference who is the lyncher, unless that guy is going to be a dick and randomly lynch somebody we don't pick. Even if he's not scum, killing somebody we don't choose together will be basically considered a scumclaim.
Anyway, pvote: Nyquill. This might be my imagination, but this guy looks like he's trying to force a lynch on somebody who's been discredited a lot with no coverage from himself.
Also, gonna throw this in.
Vote: Jinxy
You guys have already mentioned it - there's no real difference who is the lyncher, unless that guy is going to be a dick and randomly lynch somebody we don't pick. Even if he's not scum, killing somebody we don't choose together will be basically considered a scumclaim.
Anyway, pvote: Nyquill. This might be my imagination, but this guy looks like he's trying to force a lynch on somebody who's been discredited a lot with no coverage from himself.
the fuck am I doing to force anything? lmao
fartownik you didn't even address the point I was referring to. I was referring to the lyncher-lynchee information point that you literally just deflected in order to try to force shit without actually arguing for your side.
2. Remember when you brought up a plan on the MS stacking the deck game on suggesting a massclaim? What I see here is really close to how I expected that would be executed.
3. Just ignoring everything I said about this again as well as not explaining how your side is any different.
4. That question was a stretch and the fact that you're sticking to it after I've went through my entire thought process is very telling.
1. Assuming that saying I wouldn't vote for someone protown for a specific reason means that I would vote for someone scummy instead.fartownik wrote:
1. Where was I disingenuous.CalignoBot wrote:
Disingenuous response to my points, suggesting the massclaim (you should know EXACTLY why I find this a scumtell), trying to attack me finding CTs town for very little when there's pretty much no chance of his scumread being anything else.
2. I have no idea why you find this a scumtell, also I already admitted I've proposed it today for the reactions.
3. CTs had no chance to be read as Town by anyone by random voting.Your point was shitty and I asked you an obvious question that comes to mind after reading it.CalignoBot wrote:
Because both you and fartownik literally asked why I wouldn't just vote anyone I find protown, but whatever. Go ahead and keep deflecting.
2. Remember when you brought up a plan on the MS stacking the deck game on suggesting a massclaim? What I see here is really close to how I expected that would be executed.
3. Just ignoring everything I said about this again as well as not explaining how your side is any different.
4. That question was a stretch and the fact that you're sticking to it after I've went through my entire thought process is very telling.
Itd be awesome if you guys dont post a lot when i sleep. orz
maybe you'll need to sleep lessRaging Bull wrote:
Itd be awesome if you guys dont post a lot when i sleep. orz
[quote="CalignoBot"
1. Assuming that saying I wouldn't vote for someone protown for a specific reason means that I would vote for someone scummy instead.
2. Remember when you brought up a plan on the MS stacking the deck game on suggesting a massclaim? What I see here is really close to how I expected that would be executed.
3. Just ignoring everything I said about this again as well as not explaining how your side is any different.
4. That question was a stretch and the fact that you're sticking to it after I've went through my entire thought process is very telling.[/quote]
1. I only pointed out a flaw in your logic.
2. So how should a town-oriented massclaim be executed?
3. I already said that my side is THAT I DON'T AGREE WITH YOU READING HIM FROM ONE RANDOM VOTE POST.
4. Sticking to what?
1. Assuming that saying I wouldn't vote for someone protown for a specific reason means that I would vote for someone scummy instead.
2. Remember when you brought up a plan on the MS stacking the deck game on suggesting a massclaim? What I see here is really close to how I expected that would be executed.
3. Just ignoring everything I said about this again as well as not explaining how your side is any different.
4. That question was a stretch and the fact that you're sticking to it after I've went through my entire thought process is very telling.[/quote]
1. I only pointed out a flaw in your logic.
2. So how should a town-oriented massclaim be executed?
3. I already said that my side is THAT I DON'T AGREE WITH YOU READING HIM FROM ONE RANDOM VOTE POST.
4. Sticking to what?
Master of Quoting
fartownik wrote:
It really doesn't matter much who's gonna be the lyncher, just vote JInxy and let's focus on the real voting as quick as possible.
Sephibro wrote:
finally something that makes sensefartownik wrote:
It really doesn't matter much who's gonna be the lyncher, just vote JInxy and let's focus on the real voting as quick as possible.
vote: Jinxy
Why do both of you sound so eager for Jinxy to be leader?
And whats up with the wagon? I realize he will choose to lynch who we pick, but it's rather odd how it grew within a short amount of time.
This game annoys me more and more with every post I read...
Perhaps I should take a brief break from mafia after it.
Perhaps I should take a brief break from mafia after it.
I'm not going to address anything else you say until you address my lyncher-lynchee point, fartownik.
AKA stop trying to sweep it under the rug by ignoring it.
AKA stop trying to sweep it under the rug by ignoring it.
Please repeat your point. I must've lost it somewhere.
CalignoBot wrote:
Actually, I will only ever support finishing a wagon on someone who has made their reads clear. This strategy of just putting someone random in power without fully discussing these is incredibly worse information-wise.
Right here.CalignoBot wrote:
What I'm suggesting is in between the two.
The kingmaker setup where we give the king the ability to go full retard and do whatever the hell he wants is retarded.
Similarly, choosing a random person and giving that person only one choice is similarly retarded.
The problems with the first are that the town can't control anything about what the kingmaker does, so we basically only get information based on what the king picks.
The problems with the second are exactly the opposite. The king gets no choice in anything, so what he ends up choosing is literally just a standard vote-based system.
We get the best of both worlds by mixing the two together. Having the town agree on a small lynch pool and having the lyncher choose from that pool gives us information from both ends of the spectrum.
This type of response won't work again. Explain WHY your way is better than mine.fartownik wrote:
We do it democratic way, end of story. If the Lyncher disobeys, he will be punished the next day.
Also, keep in mind that the person chosen for the position will be lynch-immune today.
Oh, sorry.
I think letting the Lyncher to have any choice at all is a bad idea. We won't get any info out of who he picks anyways, unless you choose someone severely scumreaded by most, but that'd just be silly. There's NO NEED to give powers to the Lyncher, voting is informational enough.
Also you want to give him a 'small pool of people to lynch', which is directly eliminating some of players from the potential lynch pool, which should not ever happen as well.
I think letting the Lyncher to have any choice at all is a bad idea. We won't get any info out of who he picks anyways, unless you choose someone severely scumreaded by most, but that'd just be silly. There's NO NEED to give powers to the Lyncher, voting is informational enough.
Also you want to give him a 'small pool of people to lynch', which is directly eliminating some of players from the potential lynch pool, which should not ever happen as well.
1. If we give a lynch pool of three people (as an example), then being able to cross-reference WHY he chose one over the other two could be very useful information once we've had scumflips. This would essentially be done the same way as we're doing now, just with more people on the chopping block.fartownik wrote:
I think letting the Lyncher to have any choice at all is a bad idea. We won't get any info out of who he picks anyways, unless you choose someone severely scumreaded by most, but that'd just be silly. There's NO NEED to give powers to the Lyncher, voting is informational enough.
2. Giving voting rights to town (which would be >75% [I'd very roughly estimate around 80%] since we're voting someone who most people believe is town anyway) would give everyone in the pool a reason to still talk. If mafia are in that pool, they will want to find ways to not get lynched, which adds more information. If they were the only one on the chopping block, why would they ever talk again?
3. Giving voting rights to scum (very rough estimate of 20% because of above) would allow possible association tells to come up later, and they would have to be pretty damn transparent about their choice and motivations.
4. Forcing people to disclose more of their reads is better than giving people the option to hide reads and disclose only one scumread. There's also the fact that the lyncher doesn't actually have to do fuck all reads wise if we do it your way.
#1 covers this.fartownik wrote:
Also you want to give him a 'small pool of people to lynch', which is directly eliminating some of players from the potential lynch pool, which should not ever happen as well.
Pvote: Nyquill
I'm going back to Caligno's example, but the main point here was that fart and him provided a false choice for Caligno: Caligno wouldn't want to vote a townread that has his own bad reads, and they interpreted it to be that Caligno would rather vote for the scummiest person instead, completely ignoring the idea of a second townread, or just voting for a less scummy person. The intent here feels like an attempt to discredit Caligno.
As for why Nyquill is first instead of fart, he has posted much less than fart overall with less actual content too. And this vote with no explanation:
...wait, pieguy is in the game? Last post was still about the massclaim. Prod: pieguy
I would provide a lynch vote count now but the forums are acting up.
I'm going back to Caligno's example, but the main point here was that fart and him provided a false choice for Caligno: Caligno wouldn't want to vote a townread that has his own bad reads, and they interpreted it to be that Caligno would rather vote for the scummiest person instead, completely ignoring the idea of a second townread, or just voting for a less scummy person. The intent here feels like an attempt to discredit Caligno.
As for why Nyquill is first instead of fart, he has posted much less than fart overall with less actual content too. And this vote with no explanation:
What's your reasoning for voting fart here?Nyquill wrote:
also pvote: fartownik
...wait, pieguy is in the game? Last post was still about the massclaim. Prod: pieguy
I would provide a lynch vote count now but the forums are acting up.
.... did you really just limit scumpool to two people there, well thats fucking great.
I'm not trying to discredit shit. I'm trying to clear confusion that can otherwise be problematic which instead ended up being fucked.
As for why I voted for farto, I have a strong feeling there is scum between calignobot and fartownik, and at the moment calignobot is slightly more pro-town by motivations, but is having a horrible time trying to make himself understandable.
I'm not trying to discredit shit. I'm trying to clear confusion that can otherwise be problematic which instead ended up being fucked.
As for why I voted for farto, I have a strong feeling there is scum between calignobot and fartownik, and at the moment calignobot is slightly more pro-town by motivations, but is having a horrible time trying to make himself understandable.