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Unusual Mechanics (END) - Mafia Thieves Win

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NoHitter
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"A murder in the convention center!?" "What's happening?" "Call the police!"

In front of the crowd, the main organizer of the International Inventor's Conference was shot just before he was about to finish his opening remarks. The assailant was unknown. No one even knew whether or not there were multiple people involved.

"Get us out of here!" "Someone help!"

The remaining inventors started scrambling for the exit, only to be thwarted by what seemed to be a force field.

"That field was the invention of the main organizer, by the way." one of the masterminds of the plot spoke to the others by an unknown means of communication.

"No information in and out, eh?" the second of the plotters remarked.

"Good, now let's clean up the rest." the third one nodded to show approval.

ROLE PM'S HAVE BEEN SENT. PLEASE CONFIRM BY PM-ING THE MOD A WHOLE NUMBER FROM 1-10.
NoHitter
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As the inventors slowly grew desperate, one of them raised his voice.

"Why don't we try using the Lynch-Bot v2.3?" he told the crowd.

The Lynch-Bot v2.3, now with an integrated interface - people input whatever the automaton wanted them to then acted accordingly to it. Usually it would be by voting, and it would result in one person being killed.

"Wait, why did we allow such a machine, guns and all, to actually enter the convention?" one of the inventors asked.

"Well, we couldn't exactly deny the machine of entry. It is an international convention and all..." an organizer replied.

People were gazing at each other. Their stares were asking if they couldn't trust such a machine.

One person stood up and gave his opinion, "We're not going to rely on such a mac- WAIT WHAT ARE YOU DOING? DON'T TURN IT ON!!!"

The machine was turned on. It was too late. Apparently the machine didn't have an off switch either, an oversight by its inventor.

"DETECTING TWELVE PEOPLE. LAUNCHING PROGRAM UNUSUAL MECHANICS. MODULE 1 SELECTED"

Elect a Leader! :
- You will vote for a Leader instead of normally lynching a person.
- That Leader will then select whoever will be lynched for the day.
- The Leader may select the person by typing: EXECUTE: PERSON. You may choose to execute no one.
- Hammer rules apply to the voting of the Leader.
- The day ends when a Leader has been selected, and the Leader has posted his execution choice.
- The deadline is in one week, but you may choose to vote for the day to end by typing: END THE DAY. Hammer rules apply.
- In the above case, the day ends with a no lynch.

IT IS NOW DAY 1. DEADLINE IS IN ONE WEEK.
Amianki
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Amianki
@Mod: How is the deadline affected when the leader is elected?
Nyquill
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Nyquill
Well there are several ways we can go about doing this.

Vote: Nyquill
Jinxy
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Jinxy
This is pretty much just Kingmaker. I'd say we do it democratically with pseudo-votes on who we think should be lynched.

PVote: Nyquill for going for the leadership without any election promises
Nyquill
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Nyquill
Its hard to choose between curing cancer and ending world hunger
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
Its hard to choose between lynching town and lynching scum.



Oh wait
NoHitter
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CalignoBot wrote:

@Mod: How is the deadline affected when the leader is elected?
There is no change. The deadline will remain the same, which is one week.

VOTE COUNT 1.1
Nyquill (1) - Nyquill
Not Voting (11) - Raging Bull, Sephibro, rEdo, pieguy1372, fartownik, Jinxy, Tanzklaue, CTs-Th, -kevincela-, Irreversible, CalignoBot
pieguyn
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pieguyn
we need wagons \:D/
vote: Nyquill
FoS: Nyquill
Sephibro
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Sephibro
wagon this
vote: Sephibro
-kevincela-
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-kevincela-
vote: Sephibro

8-)
Nyquill
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Nyquill
pvote: kevinchela
Chamelo
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Chamelo
Let's see...

Vote: pieguy1372

Random vote is random... XD
Irreversible
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Irreversible
Vote: Irreversible

For the children!
fartownik
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fartownik
Hi, if we massclaim today and everyone cooperates (from Town) we'll have 4 confirmed Townies (3 PRs + 1 Backup) vs 8 unconfirmed Vanilla Townies. 3 scum will surely be in the VTs so the chances of a scumlynch will be 3/8.

FAQ: 1. YES, I know we give ourselves for scum, but it will be easier for us to scumhunt out of 8 instead of out of 12.
2. YES, I know that if someone from Town fakeclaims then we're fucked. That's why we need everyone agreed on what we do here.

We don't claim roles. We only claim whether we are PRs or non-PRs (VTs). A number is enough to establish whether someone is Town or not. Claim can be done similarly to NH's claim in Stack the Deck (Two Style).
fartownik
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fartownik
^ if you agree, it's good. BUT DON'T CLAIM YET.
rEdo
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rEdo

fartownik wrote:

3 scum will surely be in the VTs so the chances of a scumlynch will be 3/8.
Not exactly. Town has 5 townies and 3 PRs, while the scum can claim whatever they want. They could even claim extra 3 PRs, but that would make a 50% lynch, which is nonsense.

My point, though, is that they can even split between these two brackets. If they plan on going 1 into PRs and 2 into Vanillas, the chance for getting a scum from PRs is a 25% (1/4), whereas from VTs it's 28,5% (2/7), so it's like cut down by 10% from your mentioned 37,5% (3/8) in both brackets, while in general we've got a 3/12 (25%) chance to get 'em. Sorry, I'm not going to expose myself for these mere 4%.
fartownik
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fartownik
I have no clue what you're talking about right now.

If scum wants to fakeclaim PR then sure. But they will have 2/5 chance to actually claim an unclaimed role, otherwise it will be a counterclaim and we will lynch one of them, still a lot of info from that.
Chamelo
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Chamelo
Ahhhh... math...
-kevincela-
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-kevincela-

Nyquill wrote:

pvote: kevinchela
y u do this ;_;
Irreversible
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Irreversible
My trust towards farto is 0 again.
Amianki
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Amianki
I fully disagree with massclaiming roles.

1. Claiming roles will just as likely make them useless as not.
2. If we're ever doing this at all, we're NOT claiming roles, only that they are a PR. This is primarily due to the above. It gives the mafia a better chance to blend in, but our PRs won't be basically useless for most of the game either. This is still something I don't recommend doing.

This is the same situation as Stacking the Deck way back, except only slightly better.
Amianki
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Amianki
Also, everyone who voted to lead themselves so far has pretty much eliminated any chances of me actually voting for them today.
NoHitter
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VOTE COUNT 1.2
Nyquill (2) - Nyquill, pieguy1372
Sephibro (2) - Sephibro, -kevincela-
pieguy1372 (1) - CTs-Th
Irreversible (1) - Irreversible

Not Voting (6) - Raging Bull, rEdo, fartownik, Jinxy, Tanzklaue, CalignoBot
Sephibro
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fartownik wrote:

Hi, if we massclaim today and everyone cooperates (from Town) we'll have 4 confirmed Townies (3 PRs + 1 Backup) vs 8 unconfirmed Vanilla Townies. 3 scum will surely be in the VTs so the chances of a scumlynch will be 3/8.

FAQ: 1. YES, I know we give ourselves for scum, but it will be easier for us to scumhunt out of 8 instead of out of 12.
2. YES, I know that if someone from Town fakeclaims then we're fucked. That's why we need everyone agreed on what we do here.

We don't claim roles. We only claim whether we are PRs or non-PRs (VTs). A number is enough to establish whether someone is Town or not. Claim can be done similarly to NH's claim in Stack the Deck (Two Style).
are you tard or what

let's say we do this, do you really think scum will all claim vt?
if 1 scum claims pr and 2 scum claim vt your plan has NO SENSE at all and it only advantages scum because we reveal who's PR

again farto, i hope you're scum when you say these things, because if you aren't you are just tard

we're NOT doing this bullshit
Amianki
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Amianki
Vote: CTs-Th
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue
back inmmy day massclaiming at day 1 was the dumbest thing. it continues to be the dumbest thing and I won't agree to any plans of massclaiming on day 1 ever. the probability for town to get insta scum is too low at this point to warrant a massclaim.

also, what if scum fake claims (in case of more pr claims than there should be) and nobody answers? then we are royally fucked because we can't even trade 1 to 1 (which often is bad for scum). overall it's a bad day 1 play. the mass claim in stack the deck only worked because of an elemental error from mafia, the claim itself was an good idea.

I'm gonna hold my vote back for now, as it doesn't make sense to vote for early game pressure in this set up. however, all the guys who voted for themselves and farto have my eyes on them.
fartownik
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fartownik

CalignoBot wrote:

I fully disagree with massclaiming roles.

1. Claiming roles will just as likely make them useless as not.
Not useless, but less powerful. And I've never said we have to claim roles.[/quote]

CalignoBot wrote:

2. If we're ever doing this at all, we're NOT claiming roles, only that they are a PR. This is primarily due to the above. It gives the mafia a better chance to blend in, but our PRs won't be basically useless for most of the game either. This is still something I don't recommend doing.

This is the same situation as Stacking the Deck way back, except only slightly better.
Seriously, I said it already. Was there really a necessity to repeat it?

are you tard or what

let's say we do this, do you really think scum will all claim vt?
if 1 scum claims pr and 2 scum claim vt your plan has NO SENSE at all and it only advantages scum because we reveal who's PR

again farto, i hope you're scum when you say these things, because if you aren't you are just tard

we're NOT doing this bullshit
Scum is pulling a 2/5 gambit if they want to claim PR. They can't just hop and claim it like a fucking boss and no one notices.

Both yours and Caligno's arguments smell scum defending themselves from the massclaim.
fartownik
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fartownik

CalignoBot wrote:

Also, everyone who voted to lead themselves so far has pretty much eliminated any chances of me actually voting for them today.
Scummm
Sephibro
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Sephibro

Tanzklaue wrote:

back inmmy day massclaiming at day 1 was the dumbest thing. it continues to be the dumbest thing and I won't agree to any plans of massclaiming on day 1 ever. the probability for town to get insta scum is too low at this point to warrant a massclaim.
the dumbest thing is saying that massclaiming d1 is the dumbest thing
it's situational, in this case it's dumb and i explained why it is, in another case it could be the best thing to do
fartownik
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fartownik
I've been scum in Stack the Deck when massclaim D1 happened. I've barely made it to fakeclaim a PR, and the setup was CLOSED, not OPEN like it's here. The chances for them to fakeclaim are always at 2/5, and won't change for today. The chances for us though are 3/8 for lynching scum out of VTs or 3/5 for getting a counterclaim if scum decides to fakeclaim.
fartownik
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Sephibro wrote:

Tanzklaue wrote:

back inmmy day massclaiming at day 1 was the dumbest thing. it continues to be the dumbest thing and I won't agree to any plans of massclaiming on day 1 ever. the probability for town to get insta scum is too low at this point to warrant a massclaim.
in this case it's dumb and i explained why it is, in another case it could be the best thing to do
Yes, you explained it with a shitty reason.

Look, if scum manages to get that 2/5 gambit in and actually 4 people claim PR, WE WILL KNOW FOR SURE that 1 scum is in the PRs, unless it's a dumb Townie, but I can't help dumbness.
Sephibro
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fartownik wrote:

are you tard or what

let's say we do this, do you really think scum will all claim vt?
if 1 scum claims pr and 2 scum claim vt your plan has NO SENSE at all and it only advantages scum because we reveal who's PR

again farto, i hope you're scum when you say these things, because if you aren't you are just tard

we're NOT doing this bullshit
Scum is pulling a 2/5 gambit if they want to claim PR. They can't just hop and claim it like a fucking boss and no one notices.

Both yours and Caligno's arguments smell scum defending themselves from the massclaim.
just to teach you some maths, it's 2/5 gambit ONLY if scum has to claim first..the real chance scum gets away with a lucky claim is actually >than 50%

basically you want to trade all our PRs with a <50% chance to get a mafia goon lynched d1 (in best case scenario) or d2 and lynching an important PR d1 (still a good scenario for your retarded strategy)
fartownik
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fartownik
too bad you can't play this game :(
Sephibro
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Sephibro
too bad you're tard
fartownik
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fartownik
Too bad you only see the minuses of the massclaim and don't are so short-sighted over it.
fartownik
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fartownik
Too bad you only see the minuses of the massclaim and are so short-sighted over it*

typo.
Sephibro
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Sephibro
show me the pros of this silly massclaim then
i already explained perfectly why and how it's anti town, if you don't understand i feel very sorry for you
fartownik
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I've explained them in my first post, but obviously you treat the 2/5 chance of scum claiming an unclaimed role as 100% possible. Why the fuck
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue
guys guys. please stop the insults. those don't help anyone.
Irreversible
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Irreversible
for the children!
fartownik
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fartownik
Wow, Irreversible is finally scum.
Irreversible
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Said the one who wants to massclaim all the time, and flips scum.
fartownik
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fartownik
What XD
fartownik
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fartownik
So why is massclaim scum-indicator in your opinion?
Sephibro
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you propose an anti-town strategy (i've explained enough why it is anti town, i'm sorry that you're not able to understand it - i can explain again making best case scenario and worst case scenario if you need it) which would only go in scum's favor
fartownik
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fartownik
You obviously can't see the pro of scumhunting out of 8 people instead of 12.

Also my question was directed to Irreversible.
fartownik
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fartownik
And Irreversible goes inactive once I ask him a question.
Irreversible
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Irreversible
What the fuck, I don't have to stay here 24/7, what's wrong with your gameplay? seriously
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue
even if we should massclaim (which we shouldn't) I say the back up shouldn't claim PR.

with the back up not claiming, we would have an ace hidden in our sleeve, so mafia can't just pew one PR after another, especially if town hasn't a doc.
fartownik
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Irreversible wrote:

What the fuck, I don't have to stay here 24/7, what's wrong with your gameplay? seriously
Because I asked you a question 1 minute after your reply? ;o
fartownik
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fartownik
Vote: Tanzklaue
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue
what should i make out of this vote, considering that we vote the lyncher, not the lynchee?
fartownik
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fartownik
That you are Town.
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue
oh, that's cool.

in that case, aside from me being neither passive nor actively aggressive, why am I town?
and why is the argument of the others against massclaims scummy, but mine isn't?
fartownik
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fartownik
Because you're actively trying to improve the possible massclaim tactic in case it ACTUALLY happens.

Answers both of your questions.
fartownik
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fartownik
Also you won't do anything stupid with the lynch powers.
Sephibro
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Sephibro

fartownik wrote:

That you are Town.
oh i see that you're well informed
fartownik
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fartownik
The point of your comment is... ?
pieguyn
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pieguyn
here's the problem with massclaim

sure, scum only has a 2/5 chance of claiming an unused PR. that's great. but that requires claiming the exact roles, which we've already agreed screws everything up > < if we're just claiming PR or not, then it makes it way easier to put up a fakeclaim, since scum just kills off all the PRs and then they get a better idea of which ones are free

also, why can't MC happen later? if we can keep all our PRs till the day before LYLO, then it'll be way more useful bc we'll have a bunch of conftowns to do POE. and if not then it's just the same result as MC'ing now and having scum kill all the PRs off. I'm all for massclaim, but it's way better to do it later as opposed to now 0.0

CTs-Th wrote:

Ahhhh... math...
you can be town
Nyquill
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imo mc can wait till later, we haven't even had a night yet, mc is just giving scum all the information they need to win the game.
Jinxy
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Jinxy
I don't agree with the massclaim as of now.

While I don't have any math to back me up, I do know from experience that scum very nearly won Stacking the Deck with the D1 massclaim, had they not made a mistake late game.

You should know this the best, fart, since that scum was you.
Amianki
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Amianki
This point has pretty much run its course.

Now let's continue with voting for CTs, thanks.
fartownik
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Okay, fine for now. The massclaim doesn't have to go D1, obviously. I still think it will be a really good thing to do in next days, but I only brought it up today to get early reactions out of everyone and cut off the RVS.

By the way, we have to choose the Leader. Please post your best candidates for that position and why you think he should be one, I already voted for Tanz. When we're done voting, we will start an unofficial vote for the lynchee. The priority for now.

Caligno, so you want CTs as the Leader? Are you sure?
Amianki
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Amianki
CTs, so far, is my only town read.
fartownik
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fartownik
Oh, that's interesting, because he was one of my scumreads. Mind explaining?
Amianki
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Amianki
Because his vote wasn't useless as most of the really early ones were.

Seriously, voting for yourself is like the single most useless thing you can do at the start of the day in this situation.
fartownik
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CTs-Th wrote:

Let's see...

Vote: pieguy1372

Random vote is random... XD
I don't see anything useful in this RANDOM VOTE.

I don't see how it indicates alignment anyhow, you're making something up.

And I don't like how pieguy has read CTs as Town with a similar, weird manner as you, though you probably wouldn't make such mistake if you were partners.
fartownik
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fartownik
OR WOULD YOU
Amianki
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Amianki

fartownik wrote:

I don't see how it indicates alignment anyhow, you're making something up.
Congratulations, you've figured out a lot of my very early game town strategy.

But in all seriousness, I already answered that point. In a game where you vote for who you think is town, RVS suddenly becomes a hell of a lot less useful since votes are the most anti-pressure thing you can do. Voting for someone else, even at random, is a hell of a lot more useful than that.

So why exactly are pieguy and kevincela not in the same vote? Because they bandwagoned.
Amianki
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Amianki
*boat
Jinxy
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Jinxy
Is the choice of leader really that important? Obviously the most pro-town should be chosen, but if the lynch was PVoted on, then anyone could just lynch according to what the majority wants. There is no incentive to lynch otherwise, a scum leader would just out himself and the majority's lynch for the next few days. Of course, this banks on the fact that the lynch methods are also democratic.
Jinxy
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lynch methods in the next few days are also democratic*
fartownik
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fartownik
I agree with that, but it's still important to pick someone who doesn't end up treating the power as Day Vigilante (BRBP D:). We must be sure of that.

Also the person should be active enough and be up to make votecounts out of PVotes.
fartownik
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fartownik

CalignoBot wrote:

fartownik wrote:

I don't see how it indicates alignment anyhow, you're making something up.
Congratulations, you've figured out a lot of my very early game town strategy.

But in all seriousness, I already answered that point. In a game where you vote for who you think is town, RVS suddenly becomes a hell of a lot less useful since votes are the most anti-pressure thing you can do. Voting for someone else, even at random, is a hell of a lot more useful than that.

So why exactly are pieguy and kevincela not in the same vote? Because they bandwagoned.
I don't think leader voting is enough of a deal to consider what CTs did as Town. Your read doesn't speak to me at all.
Amianki
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Amianki
If you have any ideas for concrete reads based on what we have so far, I'm all ears.
Amianki
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Amianki

Jinxy wrote:

Obviously the most pro-town should be chosen
Incorrect. I would never elect a pro-town with reads that are complete shit.
fartownik
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fartownik

CalignoBot wrote:

If you have any ideas for concrete reads based on what we have so far, I'm all ears.
Okay.

All the RVS are null. I will consider everything that happened after my idea of massclaim.

I've found your and Sephibro's responses the most scummy of all, and I already mentioned that. Both early scumreads.

Irreversible got mad after calling him scum.

Irreversible wrote:

Said the one who wants to massclaim all the time, and flips scum.
"and flips scum."

I still don't get this part.

Also 1 minute after that, I asked him a question. He didn't reply to it for about an hour so I called him out for leaving the discussion in the middle. He came even more mad and STILL DIDN'T REPLY. Irre is also scum.

rEdo is null-Town and Tanz is Town.

CalignoBot wrote:

Jinxy wrote:

Obviously the most pro-town should be chosen
Incorrect. I would never elect a pro-town with reads that are complete shit.
So you prefer to pick the scummiest one out of all?
Nyquill
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Nyquill
My read on CTs is actually completely backwards from CB's.
also

CalignoBot wrote:

Jinxy wrote:

Obviously the most pro-town should be chosen
Incorrect. I would never elect a pro-town with reads that are complete shit.
this doesn't make sense, if you see someone pro-town that means you already have a town read, and does that mean you would rather lynch someone scummy?
Nyquill
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Nyquill
EBWOP: Give king to someone scummy*
Amianki
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Amianki

fartownik wrote:

CalignoBot wrote:

Incorrect. I would never elect a pro-town with reads that are complete shit.
So you prefer to pick the scummiest one out of all?

Nyquill wrote:

CalignoBot wrote:

Incorrect. I would never elect a pro-town with reads that are complete shit.
this doesn't make sense, if you see someone pro-town that means you already have a town read, and does that mean you would rather lynch someone scummy?
I find this response incredibly interesting, as it completely assumes that I'll only ever have one town read in the entire game.

One person is confirmed town. By your logic, he should instantly be given the rights to make the vote in this situation. However, let's say he also has my three biggest townreads outside of him as his scumpool. Do you really think I would want him to have the sole lynch power?

Believe it or not, your play can be incredibly town while still having abysmal reads.
Nyquill
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Nyquill
what the fuck?
Nyquill
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Nyquill
no what the actual fuck I have no clue what calignobot is talking about, someone else understand?
Amianki
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Amianki
What's confusing about it.
Chamelo
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Chamelo
Whoa, such an active game.

CalignoBot wrote:

Now let's continue with voting for CTs, thanks.
WAT?

fartownik wrote:

Caligno, so you want CTs as the Leader? Are you sure?
NO!

Well, I just post only 1 post after the game start, how did that possible for me to look scum/town?
And, why did you want a newbie like me to be a leader? Anything behind the curtain?
Amianki
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Amianki
Accept your fate. It is your destiny.
Jinxy
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Jinxy

Nyquill wrote:

no what the actual fuck I have no clue what calignobot is talking about, someone else understand?
For example, X is a conftown. However, he thinks Y and Z are scum and basically tunnels on them, despite the rest of the players not agreeing with him. If he gets voted to be leader, he might lynch Y or Z over what the majority wants. And the majority doesn't want that to happen. You know, a little like p/2464657 .

Though I feel that this is derailing a little because no one's conftown on D1, anyway.
Amianki
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Amianki
Jinxy, you realize that was an example, right?
NoHitter
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NoHitter
VOTE COUNT 1.3
Nyquill (2) - Nyquill, pieguy1372
Sephibro (2) - Sephibro, -kevincela-
pieguy1372 (1) - CTs-Th
Irreversible (1) - Irreversible
CTs-Th (1) - CalignoBot
Tanzklaue (1) - fartownik

Not Voting (4) - Raging Bull, rEdo, Jinxy, Tanzklaue

The machine beeps, "JUST A REMINDER, IF NO LEADER IS ELECTED BY DEADLINE, NO LYNCH WILL OCCUR."
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
jesus gone at work for a while andso much. pleasew wait
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
I feel like theres nothing for me to add since I'm like 10 hours late (and not really feeling into the game as of now)

pieguy, why vote Nyquill and FoS him? Wouldn't that mean you are going to vote the leader you think is scum?
I like rEdo observation here in the massclaim tactic.
Felt like a reaction test to me but I'll play along. Why would you care since the votes were RVS? And I'm sure you know its RVS.
Then Sephibro and farto. Nothing new.
Irreversible says for the children twice now. Not sure what is so significant of this post nor how it helps anyone.
Irre, do you have something else to say besides children?
Seems pretty weak to accuse someone as scum. Or if not, it really seems like that was the intention.
Good suggestion.
farto, do you think pieguy is town after this post?
Rather pings me for some odd reason.Can't tell why but it doesn't seem like a genuine reaction on what Calingo said.
Seems towny reaction from CTs. Scum would probably be happy about it instead of just asking why would we vote him.

And what does p mean in pvote? proposed vote?


Vote:CTs
Chamelo
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Joined July 2013
Chamelo
@Mod: What's pvote? (I think it's a protect vote.)

I don't know what to say... *Stays in silent...*
Jinxy
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Joined February 2009
Jinxy
I suggested P(seudo) Voting to vote for who we want lynched, since votes are now being tallied to who is chosen to be leader.

PUnvote: Nyquill

Lynch Vote Count
-kevincela- (1) - Nyquill
Sephibro
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Joined November 2012
Sephibro
okay i'll try to explain why farto's massclaim strategy CAN'T help town in a way that everyone can understand:

scum will NEVER all claim VT. one of them (probably the goon) will claim PR, the other 2 will claim VT
PRs will have to fully claim their roles, and scum has a 50% (actually more than 50%, but let's round it) chance of going away with a lucky claim
>in this case we're going to trade information about all our PRs for:
50% chance of getting the only information that 1 scum is among the 5 PR claims and the other 2 scum are among the 7 VT claims (worst case scenario)
50% chance of getting a crossclaim, so a 1v1 (best case scenario)

so now please stop even taking it into account or saying "mmm no i don't want mc because i heard mc d1 is bad"


it's a pro-scum strategy, and this farto fighting so much for it smells very scummy
Sephibro
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Sephibro
now, we don't have to talk about who should we elect lyncher and why, because the lyncher won't do anything without our consensus.

we have to decide who we want to lynch, then we can elect anyone who's not the lynchee

null-town: Nyquill, Irre, Jinxy
null-scum: CalignoBot, pieguy
scum: fartownik

pvote: fartownik
-kevincela-
Elite Mapper
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Joined February 2010
-kevincela-

fartownik wrote:

Irreversible wrote:

Said the one who wants to massclaim all the time, and flips scum.
"and flips scum."

I still don't get this part.

Also 1 minute after that, I asked him a question. He didn't reply to it for about an hour so I called him out for leaving the discussion in the middle. He came even more mad and STILL DIDN'T REPLY. Irre is also scum.
tbh it doesn't really seem a good motivation. Just because he didn't reply to your question there doesen't necessarily mean he's a scum, I don't think that this kind of attitude is so suspicious right now :\
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue
I don't really get this whole CTs voting here, just because he didn't do anything particulary scummy doesn't make him town in my eyes.

I also have the distinct feeling that one of farto or sephibro are scum (or is it normal for the 2 to behave like this? i wasn't here for such a long time)

jinxy looks the most town to me, as he doesn't do silly votes based of a random vote.

I don't have any reads on the rest of you, though all the peeps that voted for themselves are a little more scummy than the ones that didn't.

Vote: Jinxy
Irreversible
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Irreversible
Well, it kinda sucks that it always happens the same.

I say something random, I'm scum. Surprise: I'm not.
Sephibro and fartownik fighting because of massclaim, the usual stuff.
Then CalignoBot says something like "If you voted yourself, I'm not going to vote you". And? What do you wanna reach with that comment?

I don't know, but I pretty much loose any motiviation as soon as fartownik has his 5 minutes again, which pretty much goes over the whole game.
Sephibro
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Sephibro
tanzklaue can you read
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue

Sephibro wrote:

tanzklaue can you read
I can, yes. why?
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