CalignoBot wrote:

Now let's continue with voting for CTs, thanks.

fartownik wrote:

Caligno, so you want CTs as the Leader? Are you sure?

Nyquill wrote:

no what the actual fuck I have no clue what calignobot is talking about, someone else understand?

fartownik wrote:

Irreversible wrote:

Said the one who wants to massclaim all the time, and flips scum.

"and flips scum."

I still don't get this part.

Also 1 minute after that, I asked him a question. He didn't reply to it for about an hour so I called him out for leaving the discussion in the middle. He came even more mad and STILL DIDN'T REPLY. Irre is also scum.

Sephibro wrote:

tanzklaue can you read

Sephibro wrote:

we have to decide who we want to lynch, then we can elect anyone who's not the lynchee

Sephibro wrote:

Sephibro wrote:

we have to decide who we want to lynch, then we can elect anyone who's not the lynchee

Tanzklaue wrote:

there is the chance of the lyncher doing what he wants.

Sephibro wrote:

Tanzklaue wrote:

there is the chance of the lyncher doing what he wants.

and getting lynched d2

Irreversible wrote:

Said the one who wants to massclaim all the time, and flips scum.

Irreversible wrote:

Well, it kinda sucks that it always happens the same.

I say something random, I'm scum. Surprise: I'm not.
Sephibro and fartownik fighting because of massclaim, the usual stuff.
Then CalignoBot says something like "If you voted yourself, I'm not going to vote you". And? What do you wanna reach with that comment?

I don't know, but I pretty much loose any motiviation as soon as fartownik has his 5 minutes again, which pretty much goes over the whole game.

Raging Bull wrote:

Good suggestion.
farto, do you think pieguy is town after this post?

Tanzklaue wrote:

as CB said, what if the lyncher is obv town, but still didn't lynch the guy we wanted?

Irreversible wrote:

Refering to the last game i played. As far as I remember he wanted to massclaim too, wasn't it like that?

Irreversible wrote:

Well, maybe I Play too less, but being that agressive is just suspsicipon imo.

Irreversible wrote:

suspsicipon

Irreversible wrote:

fanderwik

Irreversible wrote:

suspsicipon fanderwik :S

Irreversible wrote:

suspsicipon

Jinxy wrote:

Nyquill wrote:

no what the actual fuck I have no clue what calignobot is talking about, someone else understand?

For example, X is a conftown. However, he thinks Y and Z are scum and basically tunnels on them, despite the rest of the players not agreeing with him. If he gets voted to be leader, he might lynch Y or Z over what the majority wants. And the majority doesn't want that to happen. You know, a little like p/2464657 .

Though I feel that this is derailing a little because no one's conftown on D1, anyway.

CTs-Th wrote:

Does vote and pvote are the same right now? I'm confusing. ._.

Raging Bull wrote:

Felt like a reaction test to me but I'll play along. Why would you care since the votes were RVS? And I'm sure you know its RVS.

Nyquill wrote:

Jinxy wrote:

For example, X is a conftown. However, he thinks Y and Z are scum and basically tunnels on them, despite the rest of the players not agreeing with him. If he gets voted to be leader, he might lynch Y or Z over what the majority wants. And the majority doesn't want that to happen. You know, a little like http://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/2464657 .

Though I feel that this is derailing a little because no one's conftown on D1, anyway.

Percisely your last point, no one is confirmed town, so I have no idea where calignobot pulled that out of.

fartownik wrote:

It really doesn't matter much who's gonna be the lyncher, just vote JInxy and let's focus on the real voting as quick as possible.

Nyquill wrote:

why can't we hammer jinxy before we decide on the lynchee? The deadline doesn't change either way.

NoHitter wrote:

There is no change. The deadline will remain the same, which is one week.

fartownik wrote:

And why am I scum now?

Nyquill wrote:

Also, I still don't understand how that example was relevant but I really don't want to confuse myself more with something unimportant.

CalignoBot wrote:

I like how this wagon on someone who has displayed virtually no reads is primarily being pushed by my scumreads.

I'm not touching this wagon with a 20-foot pole.

Tanzklaue wrote:

farto, why were you suddenly ok with pushing jinxy when there was no indicator that he was a better choice than me?
to the rest who votes jinxy now, why did you vote him?

fartownik wrote:

Tanzklaue wrote:

farto, why were you suddenly ok with pushing jinxy when there was no indicator that he was a better choice than me?
to the rest who votes jinxy now, why did you vote him?

Because he's a good choice, and it's enough for me to vote him. Your 'wagon' was growing too slowly and jinxy already had some votes on him.

Tanzklaue wrote:

wrong, you were the second vote on jinxy after mine.

the wagon had like an hour to grow until you put your vote on jinxy.

so both your points that I care for here are blatant lies. it's funny, hadn't you added the second part, your answer would've been a lot more legit.

fartownik wrote:

Tanzklaue wrote:

wrong, you were the second vote on jinxy after mine.

the wagon had like an hour to grow until you put your vote on jinxy.

so both your points that I care for here are blatant lies. it's funny, hadn't you added the second part, your answer would've been a lot more legit.

No shit sherlock. You had one vote WHICH WAS MINE. JInxy had one vote WHICH WAS YOURS. If I add a vote on JInxy it GIVES TWO. I couldn't add more votes on you so I voted JINXY.

Is this really so hard to understand?

Also uh oh caligno sweetheart I'm sorry. I will answer your pointy point right away.

CalignoBot wrote:

Disingenuous response to my points, suggesting the massclaim (you should know EXACTLY why I find this a scumtell), trying to attack me finding CTs town for very little when there's pretty much no chance of his scumread being anything else.

CalignoBot wrote:

Nyquill wrote:

Also, I still don't understand how that example was relevant but I really don't want to confuse myself more with something unimportant.

Because both you and fartownik literally asked why I wouldn't just vote anyone I find protown, but whatever. Go ahead and keep deflecting.

fartownik wrote:

CalignoBot wrote:

Disingenuous response to my points, suggesting the massclaim (you should know EXACTLY why I find this a scumtell), trying to attack me finding CTs town for very little when there's pretty much no chance of his scumread being anything else.

1. Where was I disingenuous.
2. I have no idea why you find this a scumtell, also I already admitted I've proposed it today for the reactions.
3. CTs had no chance to be read as Town by anyone by random voting.

CalignoBot wrote:

Because both you and fartownik literally asked why I wouldn't just vote anyone I find protown, but whatever. Go ahead and keep deflecting.

Your point was shitty and I asked you an obvious question that comes to mind after reading it.

Raging Bull wrote:

Itd be awesome if you guys dont post a lot when i sleep. orz

fartownik wrote:

It really doesn't matter much who's gonna be the lyncher, just vote JInxy and let's focus on the real voting as quick as possible.

Sephibro wrote:

fartownik wrote:

It really doesn't matter much who's gonna be the lyncher, just vote JInxy and let's focus on the real voting as quick as possible.

finally something that makes sense

vote: Jinxy

CalignoBot wrote:

Actually, I will only ever support finishing a wagon on someone who has made their reads clear. This strategy of just putting someone random in power without fully discussing these is incredibly worse information-wise.

CalignoBot wrote:

What I'm suggesting is in between the two.

The kingmaker setup where we give the king the ability to go full retard and do whatever the hell he wants is retarded.
Similarly, choosing a random person and giving that person only one choice is similarly retarded.

The problems with the first are that the town can't control anything about what the kingmaker does, so we basically only get information based on what the king picks.
The problems with the second are exactly the opposite. The king gets no choice in anything, so what he ends up choosing is literally just a standard vote-based system.

We get the best of both worlds by mixing the two together. Having the town agree on a small lynch pool and having the lyncher choose from that pool gives us information from both ends of the spectrum.

fartownik wrote:

We do it democratic way, end of story. If the Lyncher disobeys, he will be punished the next day.

Also, keep in mind that the person chosen for the position will be lynch-immune today.

fartownik wrote:

I think letting the Lyncher to have any choice at all is a bad idea. We won't get any info out of who he picks anyways, unless you choose someone severely scumreaded by most, but that'd just be silly. There's NO NEED to give powers to the Lyncher, voting is informational enough.

fartownik wrote:

Also you want to give him a 'small pool of people to lynch', which is directly eliminating some of players from the potential lynch pool, which should not ever happen as well.

Nyquill wrote:

also pvote: fartownik

Nyquill wrote:

.... did you really just limit scumpool to two people there, well thats fucking great.

I'm not trying to discredit shit. I'm trying to clear confusion that can otherwise be problematic which instead ended up being fucked.

As for why I voted for farto, I have a strong feeling there is scum between calignobot and fartownik, and at the moment calignobot is slightly more pro-town by motivations, but is having a horrible time trying to make himself understandable.

CalignoBot wrote:

this doesn't make sense, if you see someone pro-town that means you already have a town read, and does that mean you would rather lynch someone scummy?

CalignoBot wrote:

Jinxy wrote:

Obviously the most pro-town should be chosen

Incorrect. I would never elect a pro-town with reads that are complete shit.

Nyquill wrote:

CalignoBot wrote:

---Quoted shenanigans---
this doesn't make sense, if you see someone pro-town that means you already have a town read, and does that mean you would rather lynch someone scummy?
---Endquoted shenanigans---

I find this response incredibly interesting, as it completely assumes that I'll only ever have one town read in the entire game.

One person is confirmed town. By your logic, he should instantly be given the rights to make the vote in this situation. However, let's say he also has my three biggest townreads outside of him as his scumpool. Do you really think I would want him to have the sole lynch power?

Believe it or not, your play can be incredibly town while still having abysmal reads.

Okay,
1. I don't see how I'm assuming you have only one town read the entire game. It is perfectly possible that you have multiple town reads.
2. the context of which we were speaking in was completely early game, because you said "when reads are complete shit". How am I assuming something that will last the entire game? That entire first sentence didn't make sense.

That was needlessly confusing, and then I was treated to an example of haughty speculations of a situation we're not in yet. It took me a very long time to figure out what you really wanted to say was that you simply do not want to lynch by reads.

Seriously, it shouldn't have to take me a good half day to figure out what you were getting at.

Nyquill wrote:

.... did you really just limit scumpool to two people there, well thats fucking great.

Jinxy wrote:

All kevincela has done as of now is to wagon on leader votes, and weakly suspecting fart for calling irre scum. Kevin, who do you think is scum?