I don't see anything useful in this RANDOM VOTE.CTs-Th wrote:
Let's see...
Vote: pieguy1372
Random vote is random... XD
Congratulations, you've figured out a lot of my very early game town strategy.fartownik wrote:
I don't see how it indicates alignment anyhow, you're making something up.
I don't think leader voting is enough of a deal to consider what CTs did as Town. Your read doesn't speak to me at all.CalignoBot wrote:
Congratulations, you've figured out a lot of my very early game town strategy.fartownik wrote:
I don't see how it indicates alignment anyhow, you're making something up.
But in all seriousness, I already answered that point. In a game where you vote for who you think is town, RVS suddenly becomes a hell of a lot less useful since votes are the most anti-pressure thing you can do. Voting for someone else, even at random, is a hell of a lot more useful than that.
So why exactly are pieguy and kevincela not in the same vote? Because they bandwagoned.
Incorrect. I would never elect a pro-town with reads that are complete shit.Jinxy wrote:
Obviously the most pro-town should be chosen
Okay.CalignoBot wrote:
If you have any ideas for concrete reads based on what we have so far, I'm all ears.
"and flips scum."Irreversible wrote:
Said the one who wants to massclaim all the time, and flips scum.
So you prefer to pick the scummiest one out of all?CalignoBot wrote:
Incorrect. I would never elect a pro-town with reads that are complete shit.Jinxy wrote:
Obviously the most pro-town should be chosen
this doesn't make sense, if you see someone pro-town that means you already have a town read, and does that mean you would rather lynch someone scummy?CalignoBot wrote:
Incorrect. I would never elect a pro-town with reads that are complete shit.Jinxy wrote:
Obviously the most pro-town should be chosen
fartownik wrote:
So you prefer to pick the scummiest one out of all?CalignoBot wrote:
Incorrect. I would never elect a pro-town with reads that are complete shit.
I find this response incredibly interesting, as it completely assumes that I'll only ever have one town read in the entire game.Nyquill wrote:
this doesn't make sense, if you see someone pro-town that means you already have a town read, and does that mean you would rather lynch someone scummy?CalignoBot wrote:
Incorrect. I would never elect a pro-town with reads that are complete shit.
WAT?CalignoBot wrote:
Now let's continue with voting for CTs, thanks.
NO!fartownik wrote:
Caligno, so you want CTs as the Leader? Are you sure?
For example, X is a conftown. However, he thinks Y and Z are scum and basically tunnels on them, despite the rest of the players not agreeing with him. If he gets voted to be leader, he might lynch Y or Z over what the majority wants. And the majority doesn't want that to happen. You know, a little like p/2464657 .Nyquill wrote:
no what the actual fuck I have no clue what calignobot is talking about, someone else understand?
tbh it doesn't really seem a good motivation. Just because he didn't reply to your question there doesen't necessarily mean he's a scum, I don't think that this kind of attitude is so suspicious right now :\fartownik wrote:
"and flips scum."Irreversible wrote:
Said the one who wants to massclaim all the time, and flips scum.
I still don't get this part.
Also 1 minute after that, I asked him a question. He didn't reply to it for about an hour so I called him out for leaving the discussion in the middle. He came even more mad and STILL DIDN'T REPLY. Irre is also scum.
I can, yes. why?Sephibro wrote:
tanzklaue can you read
Sephibro wrote:
we have to decide who we want to lynch, then we can elect anyone who's not the lynchee
there is the chance of the lyncher doing what he wants. especially with you and farto hating each others guts.Sephibro wrote:
Sephibro wrote:
we have to decide who we want to lynch, then we can elect anyone who's not the lynchee
and getting lynched d2Tanzklaue wrote:
there is the chance of the lyncher doing what he wants.
as CB said, what if the lyncher is obv town, but still didn't lynch the guy we wanted?Sephibro wrote:
and getting lynched d2Tanzklaue wrote:
there is the chance of the lyncher doing what he wants.
Irre, could you explain the bolded part? What exactly are you referring to?Irreversible wrote:
Said the one who wants to massclaim all the time, and flips scum.
Perhaps you should start playing like Town and not Anti-town all the time?Irreversible wrote:
Well, it kinda sucks that it always happens the same.
I say something random, I'm scum. Surprise: I'm not.
Sephibro and fartownik fighting because of massclaim, the usual stuff.
Then CalignoBot says something like "If you voted yourself, I'm not going to vote you". And? What do you wanna reach with that comment?
I don't know, but I pretty much loose any motiviation as soon as fartownik has his 5 minutes again, which pretty much goes over the whole game.
No.Raging Bull wrote:
Good suggestion.
farto, do you think pieguy is town after this post?
define obvtownTanzklaue wrote:
as CB said, what if the lyncher is obv town, but still didn't lynch the guy we wanted?
No.Irreversible wrote:
Refering to the last game i played. As far as I remember he wanted to massclaim too, wasn't it like that?
And no.Irreversible wrote:
Well, maybe I Play too less, but being that agressive is just suspsicipon imo.
Irreversible wrote:
suspsicipon
Irreversible wrote:
fanderwik
Irreversible wrote:
suspsicipon fanderwik :S
sounds like a new pokemonIrreversible wrote:
suspsicipon
Percisely your last point, no one is confirmed town, so I have no idea where calignobot pulled that out of.Jinxy wrote:
For example, X is a conftown. However, he thinks Y and Z are scum and basically tunnels on them, despite the rest of the players not agreeing with him. If he gets voted to be leader, he might lynch Y or Z over what the majority wants. And the majority doesn't want that to happen. You know, a little like p/2464657 .Nyquill wrote:
no what the actual fuck I have no clue what calignobot is talking about, someone else understand?
Though I feel that this is derailing a little because no one's conftown on D1, anyway.
vote = lyncherCTs-Th wrote:
Does vote and pvote are the same right now? I'm confusing. ._.
If it's RVS, then that makes it worse. The point of RVS is to get OUT of RVS, and voting for yourself in this situation does literally fuck all to do that.Raging Bull wrote:
Felt like a reaction test to me but I'll play along. Why would you care since the votes were RVS? And I'm sure you know its RVS.
For the last time, it was an example. I used conftown to prove a point, not to say that anyone here is that yet.Nyquill wrote:
Percisely your last point, no one is confirmed town, so I have no idea where calignobot pulled that out of.Jinxy wrote:
For example, X is a conftown. However, he thinks Y and Z are scum and basically tunnels on them, despite the rest of the players not agreeing with him. If he gets voted to be leader, he might lynch Y or Z over what the majority wants. And the majority doesn't want that to happen. You know, a little like http://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/2464657 .
Though I feel that this is derailing a little because no one's conftown on D1, anyway.
finally something that makes sensefartownik wrote:
It really doesn't matter much who's gonna be the lyncher, just vote JInxy and let's focus on the real voting as quick as possible.
it doesn't? then we can hammer him before deciding on a lynchee.Nyquill wrote:
why can't we hammer jinxy before we decide on the lynchee? The deadline doesn't change either way.
NoHitter wrote:
There is no change. The deadline will remain the same, which is one week.
Disingenuous response to my points, suggesting the massclaim (you should know EXACTLY why I find this a scumtell), trying to attack me finding CTs town for very little when there's pretty much no chance of his scumread being anything else.fartownik wrote:
And why am I scum now?
Because both you and fartownik literally asked why I wouldn't just vote anyone I find protown, but whatever. Go ahead and keep deflecting.Nyquill wrote:
Also, I still don't understand how that example was relevant but I really don't want to confuse myself more with something unimportant.
yea, I am also getting suspicious of how fast the wagon grew.CalignoBot wrote:
I like how this wagon on someone who has displayed virtually no reads is primarily being pushed by my scumreads.
I'm not touching this wagon with a 20-foot pole.
Because he's a good choice, and it's enough for me to vote him. Your 'wagon' was growing too slowly and jinxy already had some votes on him.Tanzklaue wrote:
farto, why were you suddenly ok with pushing jinxy when there was no indicator that he was a better choice than me?
to the rest who votes jinxy now, why did you vote him?
wrong, you were the second vote on jinxy after mine.fartownik wrote:
Because he's a good choice, and it's enough for me to vote him. Your 'wagon' was growing too slowly and jinxy already had some votes on him.Tanzklaue wrote:
farto, why were you suddenly ok with pushing jinxy when there was no indicator that he was a better choice than me?
to the rest who votes jinxy now, why did you vote him?
No shit sherlock. You had one vote WHICH WAS MINE. JInxy had one vote WHICH WAS YOURS. If I add a vote on JInxy it GIVES TWO. I couldn't add more votes on you so I voted JINXY.Tanzklaue wrote:
wrong, you were the second vote on jinxy after mine.
the wagon had like an hour to grow until you put your vote on jinxy.
so both your points that I care for here are blatant lies. it's funny, hadn't you added the second part, your answer would've been a lot more legit.
I missread what you wrote, thinking that with "your 'wagon'" you meant the wagon on jinxy (since i was the first one to vote for jinxy, hence I'm the starter).fartownik wrote:
No shit sherlock. You had one vote WHICH WAS MINE. JInxy had one vote WHICH WAS YOURS. If I add a vote on JInxy it GIVES TWO. I couldn't add more votes on you so I voted JINXY.Tanzklaue wrote:
wrong, you were the second vote on jinxy after mine.
the wagon had like an hour to grow until you put your vote on jinxy.
so both your points that I care for here are blatant lies. it's funny, hadn't you added the second part, your answer would've been a lot more legit.
Is this really so hard to understand?
Also uh oh caligno sweetheart I'm sorry. I will answer your pointy point right away.
1. Where was I disingenuous.CalignoBot wrote:
Disingenuous response to my points, suggesting the massclaim (you should know EXACTLY why I find this a scumtell), trying to attack me finding CTs town for very little when there's pretty much no chance of his scumread being anything else.
Your point was shitty and I asked you an obvious question that comes to mind after reading it.CalignoBot wrote:
Because both you and fartownik literally asked why I wouldn't just vote anyone I find protown, but whatever. Go ahead and keep deflecting.Nyquill wrote:
Also, I still don't understand how that example was relevant but I really don't want to confuse myself more with something unimportant.
1. Assuming that saying I wouldn't vote for someone protown for a specific reason means that I would vote for someone scummy instead.fartownik wrote:
1. Where was I disingenuous.CalignoBot wrote:
Disingenuous response to my points, suggesting the massclaim (you should know EXACTLY why I find this a scumtell), trying to attack me finding CTs town for very little when there's pretty much no chance of his scumread being anything else.
2. I have no idea why you find this a scumtell, also I already admitted I've proposed it today for the reactions.
3. CTs had no chance to be read as Town by anyone by random voting.Your point was shitty and I asked you an obvious question that comes to mind after reading it.CalignoBot wrote:
Because both you and fartownik literally asked why I wouldn't just vote anyone I find protown, but whatever. Go ahead and keep deflecting.
maybe you'll need to sleep lessRaging Bull wrote:
Itd be awesome if you guys dont post a lot when i sleep. orz
fartownik wrote:
It really doesn't matter much who's gonna be the lyncher, just vote JInxy and let's focus on the real voting as quick as possible.
Sephibro wrote:
finally something that makes sensefartownik wrote:
It really doesn't matter much who's gonna be the lyncher, just vote JInxy and let's focus on the real voting as quick as possible.
vote: Jinxy
CalignoBot wrote:
Actually, I will only ever support finishing a wagon on someone who has made their reads clear. This strategy of just putting someone random in power without fully discussing these is incredibly worse information-wise.
Right here.CalignoBot wrote:
What I'm suggesting is in between the two.
The kingmaker setup where we give the king the ability to go full retard and do whatever the hell he wants is retarded.
Similarly, choosing a random person and giving that person only one choice is similarly retarded.
The problems with the first are that the town can't control anything about what the kingmaker does, so we basically only get information based on what the king picks.
The problems with the second are exactly the opposite. The king gets no choice in anything, so what he ends up choosing is literally just a standard vote-based system.
We get the best of both worlds by mixing the two together. Having the town agree on a small lynch pool and having the lyncher choose from that pool gives us information from both ends of the spectrum.
This type of response won't work again. Explain WHY your way is better than mine.fartownik wrote:
We do it democratic way, end of story. If the Lyncher disobeys, he will be punished the next day.
Also, keep in mind that the person chosen for the position will be lynch-immune today.