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Unusual Mechanics (END) - Mafia Thieves Win

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Sephibro
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Sephibro
in

NoHitter wrote:

6- The deadline is in two weeks, but you may choose to vote for the day to end by typing: END THE DAY. Hammer rules apply.
i like the END THE DAY thing but 2 weeks is still too long for a deadline, i hope you'll reduce it when there are 9- players in game..
also the 24 hours night is good

btw, is the universal backup made aware of his role or does he receive an usual vt role pm?
rEdo
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rEdo
/in
pieguyn
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pieguyn
　in

I recommend 1 week day deadlines. 2 weeks is too damn long oAo either way is fine for me tho
rEdo
809 posts
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rEdo
I concur. Two weeks of a deadline is way too much, people will just stop giving any damns unless the day's about to end (see: Western VGC UPick)
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
just reread the whole thread rEdo, someone is bound to end the day. haha.
rEdo
809 posts
Joined November 2008
rEdo
Shhh, we'll talk about that later :(
fartownik
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fartownik
innnnnnnnn
fartownik
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fartownik

pieguy1372 wrote:

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I recommend 1 week day deadlines. 2 weeks is too damn long oAo either way is fine for me tho
5 day deadlines would be enough, it'd help with the inactivity on this forums.
NoHitter
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NoHitter
Actually that is just a sample lynch mechanic among ten ones in the pot. Also, sure I can do one week deadlines.
Edit: The Universal Backup knows he's the Universal Backup.
Sephibro
512 posts
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Sephibro
<3
fartownik
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fartownik
Where are the days when the games were filling in ~10 hours?!
Jinxy
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Jinxy
So rusty

/in
DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane
maek dedlines 1 week pls so ppl don't go lazy
/in
Nyquill
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Nyquill
letmein
Sephibro
512 posts
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Sephibro
so much activity lately
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue
does this mean you can only vote once?

anyway, i'm in.
fartownik
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Joined December 2008
fartownik
Wow, Tanz. Welcome back.
Chamelo
432 posts
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Chamelo
in too.

I've sent a message to RadicalFuzz.(see General Mafia Discussion for his information)
Hopefully he'll join in this game.
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue

fartownik wrote:

Wow, Tanz. Welcome back.
:') I'm touched that somebody kinda missed me.

I had not that much fun in my last few games of mafia, and then my pc broke, so i had an extended break from mafia. i hope i don't completely suck.
Sephibro
512 posts
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Sephibro
inb4 kevincela
-kevincela-
Elite Mapper
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-kevincela-

Sephibro wrote:

inb4 kevincela
/in

:)
Sakura
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Sakura
wow kevin plays mafia? i never knew
-kevincela-
Elite Mapper
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-kevincela-

Sakura wrote:

wow kevin plays mafia? i never knew
It's actually my first time, Sephibro wanted me to join and after reading all the rules I decided to join :p
Sephibro
512 posts
Joined November 2012
Sephibro
easy lynch
Sephibro
512 posts
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Sephibro
GIF hop in
Irreversible
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Irreversible
can I still join? If yes, let me in xD
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
all town players should sheep to Tanz. Do it.
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
One more damnit
DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane
Going into a Holiday trip, I won't be able to be that active (or even have Internet access) until ~27th (I may come back before), feel free to replace me if you don't want to wait in case this gets full and I've not replied >~<
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
Dake best buddy dont do this to me!
Amianki
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Amianki
Alright, well, it looks like the game is going to be deadlocked for a while.

/in
NoHitter
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Randomizing roles now. Once you get your role, please confirm by PM-ing me a number from 1 - 10,
NoHitter
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"A murder in the convention center!?" "What's happening?" "Call the police!"

In front of the crowd, the main organizer of the International Inventor's Conference was shot just before he was about to finish his opening remarks. The assailant was unknown. No one even knew whether or not there were multiple people involved.

"Get us out of here!" "Someone help!"

The remaining inventors started scrambling for the exit, only to be thwarted by what seemed to be a force field.

"That field was the invention of the main organizer, by the way." one of the masterminds of the plot spoke to the others by an unknown means of communication.

"No information in and out, eh?" the second of the plotters remarked.

"Good, now let's clean up the rest." the third one nodded to show approval.

ROLE PM'S HAVE BEEN SENT. PLEASE CONFIRM BY PM-ING THE MOD A WHOLE NUMBER FROM 1-10.
NoHitter
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As the inventors slowly grew desperate, one of them raised his voice.

"Why don't we try using the Lynch-Bot v2.3?" he told the crowd.

The Lynch-Bot v2.3, now with an integrated interface - people input whatever the automaton wanted them to then acted accordingly to it. Usually it would be by voting, and it would result in one person being killed.

"Wait, why did we allow such a machine, guns and all, to actually enter the convention?" one of the inventors asked.

"Well, we couldn't exactly deny the machine of entry. It is an international convention and all..." an organizer replied.

People were gazing at each other. Their stares were asking if they couldn't trust such a machine.

One person stood up and gave his opinion, "We're not going to rely on such a mac- WAIT WHAT ARE YOU DOING? DON'T TURN IT ON!!!"

The machine was turned on. It was too late. Apparently the machine didn't have an off switch either, an oversight by its inventor.

"DETECTING TWELVE PEOPLE. LAUNCHING PROGRAM UNUSUAL MECHANICS. MODULE 1 SELECTED"

Elect a Leader! :
- You will vote for a Leader instead of normally lynching a person.
- That Leader will then select whoever will be lynched for the day.
- The Leader may select the person by typing: EXECUTE: PERSON. You may choose to execute no one.
- Hammer rules apply to the voting of the Leader.
- The day ends when a Leader has been selected, and the Leader has posted his execution choice.
- The deadline is in one week, but you may choose to vote for the day to end by typing: END THE DAY. Hammer rules apply.
- In the above case, the day ends with a no lynch.

IT IS NOW DAY 1. DEADLINE IS IN ONE WEEK.
Amianki
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Amianki
@Mod: How is the deadline affected when the leader is elected?
Nyquill
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Nyquill
Well there are several ways we can go about doing this.

Vote: Nyquill
Jinxy
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Jinxy
This is pretty much just Kingmaker. I'd say we do it democratically with pseudo-votes on who we think should be lynched.

PVote: Nyquill for going for the leadership without any election promises
Nyquill
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Nyquill
Its hard to choose between curing cancer and ending world hunger
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
Its hard to choose between lynching town and lynching scum.



Oh wait
NoHitter
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CalignoBot wrote:

@Mod: How is the deadline affected when the leader is elected?
There is no change. The deadline will remain the same, which is one week.

VOTE COUNT 1.1
Nyquill (1) - Nyquill
Not Voting (11) - Raging Bull, Sephibro, rEdo, pieguy1372, fartownik, Jinxy, Tanzklaue, CTs-Th, -kevincela-, Irreversible, CalignoBot
pieguyn
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pieguyn
we need wagons \:D/
vote: Nyquill
FoS: Nyquill
Sephibro
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Sephibro
wagon this
vote: Sephibro
-kevincela-
Elite Mapper
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-kevincela-
vote: Sephibro

8-)
Nyquill
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Nyquill
pvote: kevinchela
Chamelo
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Chamelo
Let's see...

Vote: pieguy1372

Random vote is random... XD
Irreversible
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Irreversible
Vote: Irreversible

For the children!
fartownik
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fartownik
Hi, if we massclaim today and everyone cooperates (from Town) we'll have 4 confirmed Townies (3 PRs + 1 Backup) vs 8 unconfirmed Vanilla Townies. 3 scum will surely be in the VTs so the chances of a scumlynch will be 3/8.

FAQ: 1. YES, I know we give ourselves for scum, but it will be easier for us to scumhunt out of 8 instead of out of 12.
2. YES, I know that if someone from Town fakeclaims then we're fucked. That's why we need everyone agreed on what we do here.

We don't claim roles. We only claim whether we are PRs or non-PRs (VTs). A number is enough to establish whether someone is Town or not. Claim can be done similarly to NH's claim in Stack the Deck (Two Style).
fartownik
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fartownik
^ if you agree, it's good. BUT DON'T CLAIM YET.
rEdo
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rEdo

fartownik wrote:

3 scum will surely be in the VTs so the chances of a scumlynch will be 3/8.
Not exactly. Town has 5 townies and 3 PRs, while the scum can claim whatever they want. They could even claim extra 3 PRs, but that would make a 50% lynch, which is nonsense.

My point, though, is that they can even split between these two brackets. If they plan on going 1 into PRs and 2 into Vanillas, the chance for getting a scum from PRs is a 25% (1/4), whereas from VTs it's 28,5% (2/7), so it's like cut down by 10% from your mentioned 37,5% (3/8) in both brackets, while in general we've got a 3/12 (25%) chance to get 'em. Sorry, I'm not going to expose myself for these mere 4%.
fartownik
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fartownik
I have no clue what you're talking about right now.

If scum wants to fakeclaim PR then sure. But they will have 2/5 chance to actually claim an unclaimed role, otherwise it will be a counterclaim and we will lynch one of them, still a lot of info from that.
Chamelo
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Chamelo
Ahhhh... math...
-kevincela-
Elite Mapper
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-kevincela-

Nyquill wrote:

pvote: kevinchela
y u do this ;_;
Irreversible
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Irreversible
My trust towards farto is 0 again.
Amianki
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Amianki
I fully disagree with massclaiming roles.

1. Claiming roles will just as likely make them useless as not.
2. If we're ever doing this at all, we're NOT claiming roles, only that they are a PR. This is primarily due to the above. It gives the mafia a better chance to blend in, but our PRs won't be basically useless for most of the game either. This is still something I don't recommend doing.

This is the same situation as Stacking the Deck way back, except only slightly better.
Amianki
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Amianki
Also, everyone who voted to lead themselves so far has pretty much eliminated any chances of me actually voting for them today.
NoHitter
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VOTE COUNT 1.2
Nyquill (2) - Nyquill, pieguy1372
Sephibro (2) - Sephibro, -kevincela-
pieguy1372 (1) - CTs-Th
Irreversible (1) - Irreversible

Not Voting (6) - Raging Bull, rEdo, fartownik, Jinxy, Tanzklaue, CalignoBot
Sephibro
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Sephibro

fartownik wrote:

Hi, if we massclaim today and everyone cooperates (from Town) we'll have 4 confirmed Townies (3 PRs + 1 Backup) vs 8 unconfirmed Vanilla Townies. 3 scum will surely be in the VTs so the chances of a scumlynch will be 3/8.

FAQ: 1. YES, I know we give ourselves for scum, but it will be easier for us to scumhunt out of 8 instead of out of 12.
2. YES, I know that if someone from Town fakeclaims then we're fucked. That's why we need everyone agreed on what we do here.

We don't claim roles. We only claim whether we are PRs or non-PRs (VTs). A number is enough to establish whether someone is Town or not. Claim can be done similarly to NH's claim in Stack the Deck (Two Style).
are you tard or what

let's say we do this, do you really think scum will all claim vt?
if 1 scum claims pr and 2 scum claim vt your plan has NO SENSE at all and it only advantages scum because we reveal who's PR

again farto, i hope you're scum when you say these things, because if you aren't you are just tard

we're NOT doing this bullshit
Amianki
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Amianki
Vote: CTs-Th
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue
back inmmy day massclaiming at day 1 was the dumbest thing. it continues to be the dumbest thing and I won't agree to any plans of massclaiming on day 1 ever. the probability for town to get insta scum is too low at this point to warrant a massclaim.

also, what if scum fake claims (in case of more pr claims than there should be) and nobody answers? then we are royally fucked because we can't even trade 1 to 1 (which often is bad for scum). overall it's a bad day 1 play. the mass claim in stack the deck only worked because of an elemental error from mafia, the claim itself was an good idea.

I'm gonna hold my vote back for now, as it doesn't make sense to vote for early game pressure in this set up. however, all the guys who voted for themselves and farto have my eyes on them.
fartownik
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fartownik

CalignoBot wrote:

I fully disagree with massclaiming roles.

1. Claiming roles will just as likely make them useless as not.
Not useless, but less powerful. And I've never said we have to claim roles.[/quote]

CalignoBot wrote:

2. If we're ever doing this at all, we're NOT claiming roles, only that they are a PR. This is primarily due to the above. It gives the mafia a better chance to blend in, but our PRs won't be basically useless for most of the game either. This is still something I don't recommend doing.

This is the same situation as Stacking the Deck way back, except only slightly better.
Seriously, I said it already. Was there really a necessity to repeat it?

are you tard or what

let's say we do this, do you really think scum will all claim vt?
if 1 scum claims pr and 2 scum claim vt your plan has NO SENSE at all and it only advantages scum because we reveal who's PR

again farto, i hope you're scum when you say these things, because if you aren't you are just tard

we're NOT doing this bullshit
Scum is pulling a 2/5 gambit if they want to claim PR. They can't just hop and claim it like a fucking boss and no one notices.

Both yours and Caligno's arguments smell scum defending themselves from the massclaim.
fartownik
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fartownik

CalignoBot wrote:

Also, everyone who voted to lead themselves so far has pretty much eliminated any chances of me actually voting for them today.
Scummm
Sephibro
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Sephibro

Tanzklaue wrote:

back inmmy day massclaiming at day 1 was the dumbest thing. it continues to be the dumbest thing and I won't agree to any plans of massclaiming on day 1 ever. the probability for town to get insta scum is too low at this point to warrant a massclaim.
the dumbest thing is saying that massclaiming d1 is the dumbest thing
it's situational, in this case it's dumb and i explained why it is, in another case it could be the best thing to do
fartownik
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fartownik
I've been scum in Stack the Deck when massclaim D1 happened. I've barely made it to fakeclaim a PR, and the setup was CLOSED, not OPEN like it's here. The chances for them to fakeclaim are always at 2/5, and won't change for today. The chances for us though are 3/8 for lynching scum out of VTs or 3/5 for getting a counterclaim if scum decides to fakeclaim.
fartownik
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fartownik

Sephibro wrote:

Tanzklaue wrote:

back inmmy day massclaiming at day 1 was the dumbest thing. it continues to be the dumbest thing and I won't agree to any plans of massclaiming on day 1 ever. the probability for town to get insta scum is too low at this point to warrant a massclaim.
in this case it's dumb and i explained why it is, in another case it could be the best thing to do
Yes, you explained it with a shitty reason.

Look, if scum manages to get that 2/5 gambit in and actually 4 people claim PR, WE WILL KNOW FOR SURE that 1 scum is in the PRs, unless it's a dumb Townie, but I can't help dumbness.
Sephibro
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Sephibro

fartownik wrote:

are you tard or what

let's say we do this, do you really think scum will all claim vt?
if 1 scum claims pr and 2 scum claim vt your plan has NO SENSE at all and it only advantages scum because we reveal who's PR

again farto, i hope you're scum when you say these things, because if you aren't you are just tard

we're NOT doing this bullshit
Scum is pulling a 2/5 gambit if they want to claim PR. They can't just hop and claim it like a fucking boss and no one notices.

Both yours and Caligno's arguments smell scum defending themselves from the massclaim.
just to teach you some maths, it's 2/5 gambit ONLY if scum has to claim first..the real chance scum gets away with a lucky claim is actually >than 50%

basically you want to trade all our PRs with a <50% chance to get a mafia goon lynched d1 (in best case scenario) or d2 and lynching an important PR d1 (still a good scenario for your retarded strategy)
fartownik
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fartownik
too bad you can't play this game :(
Sephibro
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Sephibro
too bad you're tard
fartownik
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fartownik
Too bad you only see the minuses of the massclaim and don't are so short-sighted over it.
fartownik
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fartownik
Too bad you only see the minuses of the massclaim and are so short-sighted over it*

typo.
Sephibro
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Sephibro
show me the pros of this silly massclaim then
i already explained perfectly why and how it's anti town, if you don't understand i feel very sorry for you
fartownik
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fartownik
I've explained them in my first post, but obviously you treat the 2/5 chance of scum claiming an unclaimed role as 100% possible. Why the fuck
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue
guys guys. please stop the insults. those don't help anyone.
Irreversible
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Irreversible
for the children!
fartownik
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fartownik
Wow, Irreversible is finally scum.
Irreversible
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Irreversible
Said the one who wants to massclaim all the time, and flips scum.
fartownik
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fartownik
What XD
fartownik
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fartownik
So why is massclaim scum-indicator in your opinion?
Sephibro
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Sephibro
you propose an anti-town strategy (i've explained enough why it is anti town, i'm sorry that you're not able to understand it - i can explain again making best case scenario and worst case scenario if you need it) which would only go in scum's favor
fartownik
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fartownik
You obviously can't see the pro of scumhunting out of 8 people instead of 12.

Also my question was directed to Irreversible.
fartownik
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fartownik
And Irreversible goes inactive once I ask him a question.
Irreversible
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Irreversible
What the fuck, I don't have to stay here 24/7, what's wrong with your gameplay? seriously
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue
even if we should massclaim (which we shouldn't) I say the back up shouldn't claim PR.

with the back up not claiming, we would have an ace hidden in our sleeve, so mafia can't just pew one PR after another, especially if town hasn't a doc.
fartownik
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fartownik

Irreversible wrote:

What the fuck, I don't have to stay here 24/7, what's wrong with your gameplay? seriously
Because I asked you a question 1 minute after your reply? ;o
fartownik
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fartownik
Vote: Tanzklaue
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue
what should i make out of this vote, considering that we vote the lyncher, not the lynchee?
fartownik
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fartownik
That you are Town.
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue
oh, that's cool.

in that case, aside from me being neither passive nor actively aggressive, why am I town?
and why is the argument of the others against massclaims scummy, but mine isn't?
fartownik
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fartownik
Because you're actively trying to improve the possible massclaim tactic in case it ACTUALLY happens.

Answers both of your questions.
fartownik
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fartownik
Also you won't do anything stupid with the lynch powers.
Sephibro
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Sephibro

fartownik wrote:

That you are Town.
oh i see that you're well informed
fartownik
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fartownik
The point of your comment is... ?
pieguyn
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pieguyn
here's the problem with massclaim

sure, scum only has a 2/5 chance of claiming an unused PR. that's great. but that requires claiming the exact roles, which we've already agreed screws everything up > < if we're just claiming PR or not, then it makes it way easier to put up a fakeclaim, since scum just kills off all the PRs and then they get a better idea of which ones are free

also, why can't MC happen later? if we can keep all our PRs till the day before LYLO, then it'll be way more useful bc we'll have a bunch of conftowns to do POE. and if not then it's just the same result as MC'ing now and having scum kill all the PRs off. I'm all for massclaim, but it's way better to do it later as opposed to now 0.0

CTs-Th wrote:

Ahhhh... math...
you can be town
Nyquill
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Nyquill
imo mc can wait till later, we haven't even had a night yet, mc is just giving scum all the information they need to win the game.
Jinxy
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Jinxy
I don't agree with the massclaim as of now.

While I don't have any math to back me up, I do know from experience that scum very nearly won Stacking the Deck with the D1 massclaim, had they not made a mistake late game.

You should know this the best, fart, since that scum was you.
Amianki
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Amianki
This point has pretty much run its course.

Now let's continue with voting for CTs, thanks.
fartownik
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fartownik
Okay, fine for now. The massclaim doesn't have to go D1, obviously. I still think it will be a really good thing to do in next days, but I only brought it up today to get early reactions out of everyone and cut off the RVS.

By the way, we have to choose the Leader. Please post your best candidates for that position and why you think he should be one, I already voted for Tanz. When we're done voting, we will start an unofficial vote for the lynchee. The priority for now.

Caligno, so you want CTs as the Leader? Are you sure?
Amianki
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Amianki
CTs, so far, is my only town read.
fartownik
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fartownik
Oh, that's interesting, because he was one of my scumreads. Mind explaining?
Amianki
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Amianki
Because his vote wasn't useless as most of the really early ones were.

Seriously, voting for yourself is like the single most useless thing you can do at the start of the day in this situation.
fartownik
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fartownik

CTs-Th wrote:

Let's see...

Vote: pieguy1372

Random vote is random... XD
I don't see anything useful in this RANDOM VOTE.

I don't see how it indicates alignment anyhow, you're making something up.

And I don't like how pieguy has read CTs as Town with a similar, weird manner as you, though you probably wouldn't make such mistake if you were partners.
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