maek dedlines 1 week pls so ppl don't go lazy
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Unusual Mechanics (END) - Mafia Thieves Win
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letmein
does this mean you can only vote once?
anyway, i'm in.
anyway, i'm in.
Wow, Tanz. Welcome back.
in too.
I've sent a message to RadicalFuzz.(see General Mafia Discussion for his information)
Hopefully he'll join in this game.
I've sent a message to RadicalFuzz.(see General Mafia Discussion for his information)
Hopefully he'll join in this game.
:') I'm touched that somebody kinda missed me.fartownik wrote:
Wow, Tanz. Welcome back.
I had not that much fun in my last few games of mafia, and then my pc broke, so i had an extended break from mafia. i hope i don't completely suck.
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inb4 kevincela
wow kevin plays mafia? i never knew
It's actually my first time, Sephibro wanted me to join and after reading all the rules I decided to join :pSakura wrote:
wow kevin plays mafia? i never knew
can I still join? If yes, let me in xD
all town players should sheep to Tanz. Do it.
One more damnit
Going into a Holiday trip, I won't be able to be that active (or even have Internet access) until ~27th (I may come back before), feel free to replace me if you don't want to wait in case this gets full and I've not replied >~<
Dake best buddy dont do this to me!
Alright, well, it looks like the game is going to be deadlocked for a while.
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Topic Starter
Randomizing roles now. Once you get your role, please confirm by PM-ing me a number from 1 - 10,
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"A murder in the convention center!?" "What's happening?" "Call the police!"
In front of the crowd, the main organizer of the International Inventor's Conference was shot just before he was about to finish his opening remarks. The assailant was unknown. No one even knew whether or not there were multiple people involved.
"Get us out of here!" "Someone help!"
The remaining inventors started scrambling for the exit, only to be thwarted by what seemed to be a force field.
"That field was the invention of the main organizer, by the way." one of the masterminds of the plot spoke to the others by an unknown means of communication.
"No information in and out, eh?" the second of the plotters remarked.
"Good, now let's clean up the rest." the third one nodded to show approval.
ROLE PM'S HAVE BEEN SENT. PLEASE CONFIRM BY PM-ING THE MOD A WHOLE NUMBER FROM 1-10.
In front of the crowd, the main organizer of the International Inventor's Conference was shot just before he was about to finish his opening remarks. The assailant was unknown. No one even knew whether or not there were multiple people involved.
"Get us out of here!" "Someone help!"
The remaining inventors started scrambling for the exit, only to be thwarted by what seemed to be a force field.
"That field was the invention of the main organizer, by the way." one of the masterminds of the plot spoke to the others by an unknown means of communication.
"No information in and out, eh?" the second of the plotters remarked.
"Good, now let's clean up the rest." the third one nodded to show approval.
ROLE PM'S HAVE BEEN SENT. PLEASE CONFIRM BY PM-ING THE MOD A WHOLE NUMBER FROM 1-10.
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As the inventors slowly grew desperate, one of them raised his voice.
"Why don't we try using the Lynch-Bot v2.3?" he told the crowd.
The Lynch-Bot v2.3, now with an integrated interface - people input whatever the automaton wanted them to then acted accordingly to it. Usually it would be by voting, and it would result in one person being killed.
"Wait, why did we allow such a machine, guns and all, to actually enter the convention?" one of the inventors asked.
"Well, we couldn't exactly deny the machine of entry. It is an international convention and all..." an organizer replied.
People were gazing at each other. Their stares were asking if they couldn't trust such a machine.
One person stood up and gave his opinion, "We're not going to rely on such a mac- WAIT WHAT ARE YOU DOING? DON'T TURN IT ON!!!"
The machine was turned on. It was too late. Apparently the machine didn't have an off switch either, an oversight by its inventor.
"DETECTING TWELVE PEOPLE. LAUNCHING PROGRAM UNUSUAL MECHANICS. MODULE 1 SELECTED"
Elect a Leader! :
- You will vote for a Leader instead of normally lynching a person.
- That Leader will then select whoever will be lynched for the day.
- The Leader may select the person by typing: EXECUTE: PERSON. You may choose to execute no one.
- Hammer rules apply to the voting of the Leader.
- The day ends when a Leader has been selected, and the Leader has posted his execution choice.
- The deadline is in one week, but you may choose to vote for the day to end by typing: END THE DAY. Hammer rules apply.
- In the above case, the day ends with a no lynch.
IT IS NOW DAY 1. DEADLINE IS IN ONE WEEK.
"Why don't we try using the Lynch-Bot v2.3?" he told the crowd.
The Lynch-Bot v2.3, now with an integrated interface - people input whatever the automaton wanted them to then acted accordingly to it. Usually it would be by voting, and it would result in one person being killed.
"Wait, why did we allow such a machine, guns and all, to actually enter the convention?" one of the inventors asked.
"Well, we couldn't exactly deny the machine of entry. It is an international convention and all..." an organizer replied.
People were gazing at each other. Their stares were asking if they couldn't trust such a machine.
One person stood up and gave his opinion, "We're not going to rely on such a mac- WAIT WHAT ARE YOU DOING? DON'T TURN IT ON!!!"
The machine was turned on. It was too late. Apparently the machine didn't have an off switch either, an oversight by its inventor.
"DETECTING TWELVE PEOPLE. LAUNCHING PROGRAM UNUSUAL MECHANICS. MODULE 1 SELECTED"
Elect a Leader! :
- You will vote for a Leader instead of normally lynching a person.
- That Leader will then select whoever will be lynched for the day.
- The Leader may select the person by typing: EXECUTE: PERSON. You may choose to execute no one.
- Hammer rules apply to the voting of the Leader.
- The day ends when a Leader has been selected, and the Leader has posted his execution choice.
- The deadline is in one week, but you may choose to vote for the day to end by typing: END THE DAY. Hammer rules apply.
- In the above case, the day ends with a no lynch.
IT IS NOW DAY 1. DEADLINE IS IN ONE WEEK.
@Mod: How is the deadline affected when the leader is elected?
Well there are several ways we can go about doing this.
Vote: Nyquill
Vote: Nyquill
This is pretty much just Kingmaker. I'd say we do it democratically with pseudo-votes on who we think should be lynched.
PVote: Nyquill for going for the leadership without any election promises
PVote: Nyquill for going for the leadership without any election promises
Its hard to choose between curing cancer and ending world hunger
Its hard to choose between lynching town and lynching scum.
Oh wait
Oh wait
Topic Starter
There is no change. The deadline will remain the same, which is one week.CalignoBot wrote:
@Mod: How is the deadline affected when the leader is elected?
VOTE COUNT 1.1
Nyquill (1) - Nyquill
Not Voting (11) - Raging Bull, Sephibro, rEdo, pieguy1372, fartownik, Jinxy, Tanzklaue, CTs-Th, -kevincela-, Irreversible, CalignoBot
we need wagons \:D/
vote: Nyquill
FoS: Nyquill
vote: Nyquill
FoS: Nyquill
vote: Sephibro
pvote: kevinchela
Vote: Irreversible
For the children!
For the children!
Hi, if we massclaim today and everyone cooperates (from Town) we'll have 4 confirmed Townies (3 PRs + 1 Backup) vs 8 unconfirmed Vanilla Townies. 3 scum will surely be in the VTs so the chances of a scumlynch will be 3/8.
FAQ: 1. YES, I know we give ourselves for scum, but it will be easier for us to scumhunt out of 8 instead of out of 12.
2. YES, I know that if someone from Town fakeclaims then we're fucked. That's why we need everyone agreed on what we do here.
We don't claim roles. We only claim whether we are PRs or non-PRs (VTs). A number is enough to establish whether someone is Town or not. Claim can be done similarly to NH's claim in Stack the Deck (Two Style).
FAQ: 1. YES, I know we give ourselves for scum, but it will be easier for us to scumhunt out of 8 instead of out of 12.
2. YES, I know that if someone from Town fakeclaims then we're fucked. That's why we need everyone agreed on what we do here.
We don't claim roles. We only claim whether we are PRs or non-PRs (VTs). A number is enough to establish whether someone is Town or not. Claim can be done similarly to NH's claim in Stack the Deck (Two Style).
^ if you agree, it's good. BUT DON'T CLAIM YET.
Not exactly. Town has 5 townies and 3 PRs, while the scum can claim whatever they want. They could even claim extra 3 PRs, but that would make a 50% lynch, which is nonsense.fartownik wrote:
3 scum will surely be in the VTs so the chances of a scumlynch will be 3/8.
My point, though, is that they can even split between these two brackets. If they plan on going 1 into PRs and 2 into Vanillas, the chance for getting a scum from PRs is a 25% (1/4), whereas from VTs it's 28,5% (2/7), so it's like cut down by 10% from your mentioned 37,5% (3/8) in both brackets, while in general we've got a 3/12 (25%) chance to get 'em. Sorry, I'm not going to expose myself for these mere 4%.
I have no clue what you're talking about right now.
If scum wants to fakeclaim PR then sure. But they will have 2/5 chance to actually claim an unclaimed role, otherwise it will be a counterclaim and we will lynch one of them, still a lot of info from that.
If scum wants to fakeclaim PR then sure. But they will have 2/5 chance to actually claim an unclaimed role, otherwise it will be a counterclaim and we will lynch one of them, still a lot of info from that.
y u do this ;_;Nyquill wrote:
pvote: kevinchela
My trust towards farto is 0 again.
I fully disagree with massclaiming roles.
1. Claiming roles will just as likely make them useless as not.
2. If we're ever doing this at all, we're NOT claiming roles, only that they are a PR. This is primarily due to the above. It gives the mafia a better chance to blend in, but our PRs won't be basically useless for most of the game either. This is still something I don't recommend doing.
This is the same situation as Stacking the Deck way back, except only slightly better.
1. Claiming roles will just as likely make them useless as not.
2. If we're ever doing this at all, we're NOT claiming roles, only that they are a PR. This is primarily due to the above. It gives the mafia a better chance to blend in, but our PRs won't be basically useless for most of the game either. This is still something I don't recommend doing.
This is the same situation as Stacking the Deck way back, except only slightly better.
Also, everyone who voted to lead themselves so far has pretty much eliminated any chances of me actually voting for them today.
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VOTE COUNT 1.2
Nyquill (2) - Nyquill, pieguy1372
Sephibro (2) - Sephibro, -kevincela-
pieguy1372 (1) - CTs-Th
Irreversible (1) - Irreversible
Not Voting (6) - Raging Bull, rEdo, fartownik, Jinxy, Tanzklaue, CalignoBot
Nyquill (2) - Nyquill, pieguy1372
Sephibro (2) - Sephibro, -kevincela-
pieguy1372 (1) - CTs-Th
Irreversible (1) - Irreversible
Not Voting (6) - Raging Bull, rEdo, fartownik, Jinxy, Tanzklaue, CalignoBot
are you tard or whatfartownik wrote:
Hi, if we massclaim today and everyone cooperates (from Town) we'll have 4 confirmed Townies (3 PRs + 1 Backup) vs 8 unconfirmed Vanilla Townies. 3 scum will surely be in the VTs so the chances of a scumlynch will be 3/8.
FAQ: 1. YES, I know we give ourselves for scum, but it will be easier for us to scumhunt out of 8 instead of out of 12.
2. YES, I know that if someone from Town fakeclaims then we're fucked. That's why we need everyone agreed on what we do here.
We don't claim roles. We only claim whether we are PRs or non-PRs (VTs). A number is enough to establish whether someone is Town or not. Claim can be done similarly to NH's claim in Stack the Deck (Two Style).
let's say we do this, do you really think scum will all claim vt?
if 1 scum claims pr and 2 scum claim vt your plan has NO SENSE at all and it only advantages scum because we reveal who's PR
again farto, i hope you're scum when you say these things, because if you aren't you are just tard
we're NOT doing this bullshit
back inmmy day massclaiming at day 1 was the dumbest thing. it continues to be the dumbest thing and I won't agree to any plans of massclaiming on day 1 ever. the probability for town to get insta scum is too low at this point to warrant a massclaim.
also, what if scum fake claims (in case of more pr claims than there should be) and nobody answers? then we are royally fucked because we can't even trade 1 to 1 (which often is bad for scum). overall it's a bad day 1 play. the mass claim in stack the deck only worked because of an elemental error from mafia, the claim itself was an good idea.
I'm gonna hold my vote back for now, as it doesn't make sense to vote for early game pressure in this set up. however, all the guys who voted for themselves and farto have my eyes on them.
also, what if scum fake claims (in case of more pr claims than there should be) and nobody answers? then we are royally fucked because we can't even trade 1 to 1 (which often is bad for scum). overall it's a bad day 1 play. the mass claim in stack the deck only worked because of an elemental error from mafia, the claim itself was an good idea.
I'm gonna hold my vote back for now, as it doesn't make sense to vote for early game pressure in this set up. however, all the guys who voted for themselves and farto have my eyes on them.
Not useless, but less powerful. And I've never said we have to claim roles.[/quote]CalignoBot wrote:
I fully disagree with massclaiming roles.
1. Claiming roles will just as likely make them useless as not.
Seriously, I said it already. Was there really a necessity to repeat it?CalignoBot wrote:
2. If we're ever doing this at all, we're NOT claiming roles, only that they are a PR. This is primarily due to the above. It gives the mafia a better chance to blend in, but our PRs won't be basically useless for most of the game either. This is still something I don't recommend doing.
This is the same situation as Stacking the Deck way back, except only slightly better.
are you tard or whatScum is pulling a 2/5 gambit if they want to claim PR. They can't just hop and claim it like a fucking boss and no one notices.
let's say we do this, do you really think scum will all claim vt?
if 1 scum claims pr and 2 scum claim vt your plan has NO SENSE at all and it only advantages scum because we reveal who's PR
again farto, i hope you're scum when you say these things, because if you aren't you are just tard
we're NOT doing this bullshit
Both yours and Caligno's arguments smell scum defending themselves from the massclaim.
ScummmCalignoBot wrote:
Also, everyone who voted to lead themselves so far has pretty much eliminated any chances of me actually voting for them today.
the dumbest thing is saying that massclaiming d1 is the dumbest thingTanzklaue wrote:
back inmmy day massclaiming at day 1 was the dumbest thing. it continues to be the dumbest thing and I won't agree to any plans of massclaiming on day 1 ever. the probability for town to get insta scum is too low at this point to warrant a massclaim.
it's situational, in this case it's dumb and i explained why it is, in another case it could be the best thing to do
I've been scum in Stack the Deck when massclaim D1 happened. I've barely made it to fakeclaim a PR, and the setup was CLOSED, not OPEN like it's here. The chances for them to fakeclaim are always at 2/5, and won't change for today. The chances for us though are 3/8 for lynching scum out of VTs or 3/5 for getting a counterclaim if scum decides to fakeclaim.
Yes, you explained it with a shitty reason.Sephibro wrote:
in this case it's dumb and i explained why it is, in another case it could be the best thing to doTanzklaue wrote:
back inmmy day massclaiming at day 1 was the dumbest thing. it continues to be the dumbest thing and I won't agree to any plans of massclaiming on day 1 ever. the probability for town to get insta scum is too low at this point to warrant a massclaim.
Look, if scum manages to get that 2/5 gambit in and actually 4 people claim PR, WE WILL KNOW FOR SURE that 1 scum is in the PRs, unless it's a dumb Townie, but I can't help dumbness.
just to teach you some maths, it's 2/5 gambit ONLY if scum has to claim first..the real chance scum gets away with a lucky claim is actually >than 50%fartownik wrote:
are you tard or whatScum is pulling a 2/5 gambit if they want to claim PR. They can't just hop and claim it like a fucking boss and no one notices.
let's say we do this, do you really think scum will all claim vt?
if 1 scum claims pr and 2 scum claim vt your plan has NO SENSE at all and it only advantages scum because we reveal who's PR
again farto, i hope you're scum when you say these things, because if you aren't you are just tard
we're NOT doing this bullshit
Both yours and Caligno's arguments smell scum defending themselves from the massclaim.
basically you want to trade all our PRs with a <50% chance to get a mafia goon lynched d1 (in best case scenario) or d2 and lynching an important PR d1 (still a good scenario for your retarded strategy)
too bad you can't play this game 
Too bad you only see the minuses of the massclaim and don't are so short-sighted over it.
Too bad you only see the minuses of the massclaim and are so short-sighted over it*
typo.
typo.
show me the pros of this silly massclaim then
i already explained perfectly why and how it's anti town, if you don't understand i feel very sorry for you
i already explained perfectly why and how it's anti town, if you don't understand i feel very sorry for you
I've explained them in my first post, but obviously you treat the 2/5 chance of scum claiming an unclaimed role as 100% possible. Why the fuck
guys guys. please stop the insults. those don't help anyone.
for the children!
Wow, Irreversible is finally scum.
Said the one who wants to massclaim all the time, and flips scum.
What XD
So why is massclaim scum-indicator in your opinion?
you propose an anti-town strategy (i've explained enough why it is anti town, i'm sorry that you're not able to understand it - i can explain again making best case scenario and worst case scenario if you need it) which would only go in scum's favor
You obviously can't see the pro of scumhunting out of 8 people instead of 12.
Also my question was directed to Irreversible.
Also my question was directed to Irreversible.
And Irreversible goes inactive once I ask him a question.
What the fuck, I don't have to stay here 24/7, what's wrong with your gameplay? seriously
even if we should massclaim (which we shouldn't) I say the back up shouldn't claim PR.
with the back up not claiming, we would have an ace hidden in our sleeve, so mafia can't just pew one PR after another, especially if town hasn't a doc.
with the back up not claiming, we would have an ace hidden in our sleeve, so mafia can't just pew one PR after another, especially if town hasn't a doc.
Because I asked you a question 1 minute after your reply? ;oIrreversible wrote:
What the fuck, I don't have to stay here 24/7, what's wrong with your gameplay? seriously
Vote: Tanzklaue
what should i make out of this vote, considering that we vote the lyncher, not the lynchee?
That you are Town.
oh, that's cool.
in that case, aside from me being neither passive nor actively aggressive, why am I town?
and why is the argument of the others against massclaims scummy, but mine isn't?
in that case, aside from me being neither passive nor actively aggressive, why am I town?
and why is the argument of the others against massclaims scummy, but mine isn't?
Because you're actively trying to improve the possible massclaim tactic in case it ACTUALLY happens.
Answers both of your questions.
Answers both of your questions.
Also you won't do anything stupid with the lynch powers.
oh i see that you're well informedfartownik wrote:
That you are Town.
The point of your comment is... ?
here's the problem with massclaim
sure, scum only has a 2/5 chance of claiming an unused PR. that's great. but that requires claiming the exact roles, which we've already agreed screws everything up > < if we're just claiming PR or not, then it makes it way easier to put up a fakeclaim, since scum just kills off all the PRs and then they get a better idea of which ones are free
also, why can't MC happen later? if we can keep all our PRs till the day before LYLO, then it'll be way more useful bc we'll have a bunch of conftowns to do POE. and if not then it's just the same result as MC'ing now and having scum kill all the PRs off. I'm all for massclaim, but it's way better to do it later as opposed to now 0.0
sure, scum only has a 2/5 chance of claiming an unused PR. that's great. but that requires claiming the exact roles, which we've already agreed screws everything up > < if we're just claiming PR or not, then it makes it way easier to put up a fakeclaim, since scum just kills off all the PRs and then they get a better idea of which ones are free
also, why can't MC happen later? if we can keep all our PRs till the day before LYLO, then it'll be way more useful bc we'll have a bunch of conftowns to do POE. and if not then it's just the same result as MC'ing now and having scum kill all the PRs off. I'm all for massclaim, but it's way better to do it later as opposed to now 0.0
you can be townCTs-Th wrote:
Ahhhh... math...
imo mc can wait till later, we haven't even had a night yet, mc is just giving scum all the information they need to win the game.
I don't agree with the massclaim as of now.
While I don't have any math to back me up, I do know from experience that scum very nearly won Stacking the Deck with the D1 massclaim, had they not made a mistake late game.
You should know this the best, fart, since that scum was you.
While I don't have any math to back me up, I do know from experience that scum very nearly won Stacking the Deck with the D1 massclaim, had they not made a mistake late game.
You should know this the best, fart, since that scum was you.
This point has pretty much run its course.
Now let's continue with voting for CTs, thanks.
Now let's continue with voting for CTs, thanks.
Okay, fine for now. The massclaim doesn't have to go D1, obviously. I still think it will be a really good thing to do in next days, but I only brought it up today to get early reactions out of everyone and cut off the RVS.
By the way, we have to choose the Leader. Please post your best candidates for that position and why you think he should be one, I already voted for Tanz. When we're done voting, we will start an unofficial vote for the lynchee. The priority for now.
Caligno, so you want CTs as the Leader? Are you sure?
By the way, we have to choose the Leader. Please post your best candidates for that position and why you think he should be one, I already voted for Tanz. When we're done voting, we will start an unofficial vote for the lynchee. The priority for now.
Caligno, so you want CTs as the Leader? Are you sure?
Oh, that's interesting, because he was one of my scumreads. Mind explaining?
Because his vote wasn't useless as most of the really early ones were.
Seriously, voting for yourself is like the single most useless thing you can do at the start of the day in this situation.
Seriously, voting for yourself is like the single most useless thing you can do at the start of the day in this situation.
I don't see anything useful in this RANDOM VOTE.CTs-Th wrote:
Let's see...
Vote: pieguy1372
Random vote is random... XD
I don't see how it indicates alignment anyhow, you're making something up.
And I don't like how pieguy has read CTs as Town with a similar, weird manner as you, though you probably wouldn't make such mistake if you were partners.
OR WOULD YOU
Congratulations, you've figured out a lot of my very early game town strategy.fartownik wrote:
I don't see how it indicates alignment anyhow, you're making something up.
But in all seriousness, I already answered that point. In a game where you vote for who you think is town, RVS suddenly becomes a hell of a lot less useful since votes are the most anti-pressure thing you can do. Voting for someone else, even at random, is a hell of a lot more useful than that.
So why exactly are pieguy and kevincela not in the same vote? Because they bandwagoned.
Is the choice of leader really that important? Obviously the most pro-town should be chosen, but if the lynch was PVoted on, then anyone could just lynch according to what the majority wants. There is no incentive to lynch otherwise, a scum leader would just out himself and the majority's lynch for the next few days. Of course, this banks on the fact that the lynch methods are also democratic.
lynch methods in the next few days are also democratic*
I agree with that, but it's still important to pick someone who doesn't end up treating the power as Day Vigilante (BRBP D:). We must be sure of that.
Also the person should be active enough and be up to make votecounts out of PVotes.
Also the person should be active enough and be up to make votecounts out of PVotes.
I don't think leader voting is enough of a deal to consider what CTs did as Town. Your read doesn't speak to me at all.CalignoBot wrote:
Congratulations, you've figured out a lot of my very early game town strategy.fartownik wrote:
I don't see how it indicates alignment anyhow, you're making something up.
But in all seriousness, I already answered that point. In a game where you vote for who you think is town, RVS suddenly becomes a hell of a lot less useful since votes are the most anti-pressure thing you can do. Voting for someone else, even at random, is a hell of a lot more useful than that.
So why exactly are pieguy and kevincela not in the same vote? Because they bandwagoned.
If you have any ideas for concrete reads based on what we have so far, I'm all ears.
Incorrect. I would never elect a pro-town with reads that are complete shit.Jinxy wrote:
Obviously the most pro-town should be chosen
Okay.CalignoBot wrote:
If you have any ideas for concrete reads based on what we have so far, I'm all ears.
All the RVS are null. I will consider everything that happened after my idea of massclaim.
I've found your and Sephibro's responses the most scummy of all, and I already mentioned that. Both early scumreads.
Irreversible got mad after calling him scum.
"and flips scum."Irreversible wrote:
Said the one who wants to massclaim all the time, and flips scum.
I still don't get this part.
Also 1 minute after that, I asked him a question. He didn't reply to it for about an hour so I called him out for leaving the discussion in the middle. He came even more mad and STILL DIDN'T REPLY. Irre is also scum.
rEdo is null-Town and Tanz is Town.
So you prefer to pick the scummiest one out of all?CalignoBot wrote:
Incorrect. I would never elect a pro-town with reads that are complete shit.Jinxy wrote:
Obviously the most pro-town should be chosen
My read on CTs is actually completely backwards from CB's.
also
also
this doesn't make sense, if you see someone pro-town that means you already have a town read, and does that mean you would rather lynch someone scummy?CalignoBot wrote:
Incorrect. I would never elect a pro-town with reads that are complete shit.Jinxy wrote:
Obviously the most pro-town should be chosen
EBWOP: Give king to someone scummy*