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zozozofun

Pizzicato wrote:

RIP holland
Don't call it Holland.
Topic Starter
Loctav
Since all countries are settled now, we shorten the roster change deadline to the 23rd Oct 2013. After this deadline, you can not change your team settings anymore. After this deadline, all rosters get checked.

Please send me your final rosters via forum PM till the 23rd Oct 2013, 23:59:59 UTC.Any roster changes after this deadline can not be considered.
Gigo
So China will not be participating?!?! :o
Almost

Artaxerx wrote:

So China will not be participating?!?! :o
Well it was first in first serve...
AmaiHachimitsu
osu news
"Dear ladies and gentlemen, AmaiHachimitsu has achieved rank ....."


Well it was first in first serve...
HAHAHA, nope
XPJ38

Artaxerx wrote:

So China will not be participating?!?! :o
China did not participate in OWC #2, so that's not the first time :/

Oinari-sama wrote:

Also I just thought it'll be cool to invite guest commentators to fill the gap between matches (or downtimes) by talking about osu news, highlights and even community projects/tools... sort of like an osu!commercial break? xD
That's actually not a bad idea, I'd like this to happen.
wonders
china have registered, just a little bit late...

maybe someone can help us :( ?
wonders
China quited OWC #2, but we are prepared for OWC #4 half a month, just a little bit sad.
Anyway, have a good luck in next year.
khalifa father
i have very sad

no country my is there arabic register

but wishing luck all play fun all have same values not rank it is human value equal, thank you for it maybe the after year bahrain can playing
Sanle
China have no chance to participate in owc...? I'm very sad... i hope someone can help us.. :( :(
ErunamoJAZZ
Colombia also sent late registration. It took us specifying the 8 players ... we did not have many chances to reach semifinal, but we wanted to try.
Until next year :/


EDIT: I suggest that next year the dates notify one week in advance. Also, just take a weekend (3 days) to the form submission.
It is surprising that Japan, Korea and Taiwan, have been the last to join, and it is sad that China has been left out.

I also support the suggestion of Blue Dragon than by continents, increase competitiveness in countries where although they have some good players, but they do not dare to participate because they know they will not win against the top Asians.
It would also be a good way to see that there are level regions.
Wishy

ErunamoJAZZ wrote:

Colombia also sent late registration. It took us specifying the 8 players ... we did not have many chances to reach semifinal, but we wanted to try.
Until next year :/


EDIT: I suggest that next year the dates notify one week in advance. Also, just take a weekend (3 days) to the form submission.
It is surprising that Japan, Korea and Taiwan, have been the last to join, and it is sad that China has been left out.

I also support the suggestion of Blue Dragon than by continents, increase competitiveness in countries where although they have some good players, but they do not dare to participate because they know they will not win against the top Asians.
It would also be a good way to see that there are level regions.
The ideal system would make the top 32 teams play and let the rest out. Making a whole series of tournament to qualify would actually be quite a waste of time, and even if you do it by continent you will get all top teams qualify and end up in the same situation, only you made the good teams waste their time winning 9999999-0 against random teams. xd
Froslass
OWC Second Division anyone?
JappyBabes

Wishy wrote:

you made the good teams waste their time winning 9999999-0 against random teams. xd
That already happened last year though.
AmaiHachimitsu
It took us specifying the 8 players
You should've just send a team with 4 players you would be sure to participate. You can add others later.
Almost

JappyBabes wrote:

Wishy wrote:

you made the good teams waste their time winning 9999999-0 against random teams. xd
That already happened last year though.
And the same thing is going to happen this year as well.
Lust
Bulgaria clutch victory i see it
[Sakagami Tomoyo]
We China's Team leader made a mistake - late for a bit. And we sincerely hope we can participate in OWC#4 finally. :)
Toroguythingymajig
Vietnam's slot has been replaced by China, because according to Loctav, we were a bit late in registering. Oh well, good luck to China!
Awaken
I will almost cry
Happy end finally~TAT
And Vietnam must be a strong team I believe ;)
-Ryuujii-
So who's on Team Usa?
Almost

-Ryuujii- wrote:

So who's on Team Usa?
http://osu.ppy.sh/wiki/Osu_World_Cup_2013
buny

kriers wrote:

buny wrote:

buny like bunny pls
I think you need a name change before that starts making sense. In any case you can't blame anyone for spelling it wrong then ;)
brb name changing to bun-y
Totoki
another month or two of our lifes revolving around clicking circles again yay \o/
Moonpower

buny wrote:

brb name changing to bun-y
bun why? pls
Noriko

kamiyo-sama wrote:

another month or two of our lifes revolving around clicking circles again yay \o/
Like it didn't revolve around it before haha

I hope next year there's a thorough set of requirements for countries to apply for a slot. Also as it was mentioned before in this topic, it would be a really good idea to either reserve slots for high tier countries or have them join in later during the tournament... just like the Eurovision Song Contest works. Quite effectively.
AmaiHachimitsu
let's just announce Korea the winner and repeat this through following editions, the others fight for #2
Pizzicato
any signs of cookiezi?
Nathanael

Pizzicato wrote:

any signs of cookiezi?
Lol I also wanted to know that. He might suddenly appear out of the blue..

Also, good luck for all of the participants!
Topic Starter
Loctav
I am actually thinking about reserving a slot for all countries that made it into the knock-out stage of the previous OWC. Means that everyone that ascends to knock-out stage has a reserved slot for the next years OWC.
Rest is first come firdt serve or maybe another metric (depending on ppv2)

Drop your opinions please
ToGlette

Pizzicato wrote:

any signs of cookiezi?
No signs of cookiezi I guess XP
deadbeat
wasn't there talk of seeding countries or something like that? how about reserving slots for the top x seeded countries?
eldnl
I like it, because without the strongest teams this is not the same.
ToGlette
8 or 4 would be fine. 16 is too much for seed imo.
Hiryuu_old
I have an idea.
How about next years OWC there should be a requirement for the skill cap. Lets say there are certain songs picked out by the management that has a similarity of the difficulty for the maps that are going to be brought to the next years map pool. If people can pull off those off then they should be able to qualify for the tournament. On top of that, the countries that have the biggest population on this game could (doesn't have to) have reserved spots, due to the amount of players that there are in the country in example:Japan, China, US, Taiwan. They probably require more time in order to get their players chosen, that seems natural to me.
First come first serve is the most logical idea, since if the captains can't get their players chosen or to take action properly in a small duration, then it's their fault they didn't make it.
In all honest, I don't believe in the metric system, PP is already a disaster, I'm already assuming ppv2 is also going to be another calculation based system where people will figure out their way on how to farm those points just the way like the current system and the ranked score system was. Numbers don't always mean everything, it's about the skill that the player has.
Topic Starter
Loctav
A long lasting qualification metric can work, but I doubt that we can afford it. Especially considering that the other world cups are existent, too, the work load is immense and tbh I want to have some free-time and don't manage world cups the entire year (this goes even more for my fellow organizers and helping hands)
Please keep in mind that everything that involves manual organized matches are not working, since they can not be organized.
A map chart that has certain maps in it and not single players but countries could high rank on it could also work, but this requires a better metric than current pp. I want to wait for ppv2 before excluding the usage of ranking metrics.
Anyways reserving slots based on population seems weird to me. I think reserving slots by progress in previous owc works nicely, especially because winning group stage already rewards people even if they don't come far in the knock outs
JappyBabes

Loctav wrote:

A long lasting qualification metric can work, but I doubt that we can afford it. Especially considering that the other world cups are existent, too, the work load is immense and tbh I want to have some free-time and don't manage world cups the entire year (this goes even more for my fellow organizers and helping hands)
Please keep in mind that everything that involves manual organized matches are not working, since they can not be organized.
A map chart that has certain maps in it and not single players but countries could high rank on it could also work, but this requires a better metric than current pp. I want to wait for ppv2 before excluding the usage of ranking metrics.
Anyways reserving slots based on population seems weird to me. I think reserving slots by progress in previous owc works nicely, especially because winning group stage already rewards people even if they don't come far in the knock outs
You could afford it if you didn't make the same staff in charge of all of them with the same expectations of streams etc. Every iteration that ppv2 has went through has been worse than what is in place now so I wouldn't have high hopes. And if you'd like to allow reservations for countries that made it to the single elimination bracket, why was China not reserve, but replace a slot after all of them were taken? Also curious as to why would you change the roster deadline to a week earlier just because the slots filled up fast, unless you plan on moving the rest of the event earlier there is no reason to move this deadline earlier on short notice.
Gigo
I don't know if the organizers plan to increase the number of participating teams, so let's just say that the next OWC also has 32 teams. If that's the case, how about if the top 8 teams from this OWC have a reserved slot for the next one? Each of these 8 teams will be placed in one of the 8 groups in the next OWC, so they wouldn't meet each other in group stage. The rest of the teams will be selected on a "first-come-first-serve" basis.
Soarezi

Nathanael wrote:

Pizzicato wrote:

any signs of cookiezi?
Lol I also wanted to know that. He might suddenly appear out of the blue..

Also, good luck for all of the participants!
He Cannot play osu, so no he wont.
Pizzicato
i dont know anything about this. so i'll ask
why cant he?

ray of hope for everyone wwwwww
JappyBabes

Pizzicato wrote:

i dont know anything about this. so i'll ask
why cant he?

ray of hope for everyone wwwwww
Roster deadline and his eye problems probably.
ErunamoJAZZ
I consider 8 teams much. For me, with 4 teams is enough.

What yes it is most important is that it gives early warning before the registration dates. So big countries may make the choice of their best players, and not what we saw happen: Many countries waited until the weekend to send the registration, because of their internal competitions.
Soarezi

JappyBabes wrote:

Pizzicato wrote:

i dont know anything about this. so i'll ask
why cant he?

ray of hope for everyone wwwwww
Roster deadline and his eye problems probably.
He cannot play osu because of his eyes.
AmaiHachimitsu
but SC2 is okay?
me3lingual

ErunamoJAZZ wrote:

What yes it is most important is that it gives early warning before the registration dates. So big countries may make the choice of their best players, and not what we saw happen: Many countries waited until the weekend to send the registration, because of their internal competitions.
I am probably pointing out the obvious, but the tournament season was announced two months ago, though no exact date was declared.

osu! World Cup #4
Registration Phase: Mid - End of October 2013
Group Stage and Robin Round Stages: November 2013
Finals: Begin of December 2013
The teams had a rough idea as to when they would happen. So each individual country had plenty of time to determine who were represent them.
-Ryosuke

AmaiHachimitsu wrote:

but SC2 is okay?
He plays PSO2 for now lol
AmaiHachimitsu
So I don't think that is healthy for one's sight.

@edit:

Concerning prizes:

#1: 6 month supporter tag, profile badge, OWC trophy
So that means only the captain will have some memento and the rest of the team is to be satisfied by the picture? : D
Almost

AmaiHachimitsu wrote:

Quote:
#1: 6 month supporter tag, profile badge, OWC trophy


So that means only the captain will have some memento and the rest of the team is to be satisfied by the picture? : D
They could always share :3
Cyclohexane
I think the best compromise is that all teams that reach the semifinals in OWC get a BYE for the next edition, it would at least ensure a spot for the cream of the crop.
CXu

Toroguythingymajig wrote:

Vietnam's slot has been replaced by China, because according to Loctav, we were a bit late in registering. Oh well, good luck to China!
Uh, does this mean that China registered before Vietnam, or that both teams registered "after deadline"
Topic Starter
Loctav
I am talking about future. In this owc, no one got reserved slots

@Cxu it was a close race at the end. Due to an internal error, the Chinese sign-up disappeared but the revision history restored it. Figuring that out, China was like the 31st registree. (People should stop submitting their registration 15 times >_____>)
Vietnam was the 34th or something

@Amai everyone would get the trophy. Not only the captain, lol

@JappyBabes internal issues require it. If I don't shorten it, we will run out of time when releasing the schedules and then the cry out is even bigger.
The workload on certain things resulted in being higher than expected. We just need the definite rosters earlier. Most teams were able to arrange it (29/32 so far), so I think you can, too. I believe in you ;)
ErunamoJAZZ

me3lingual wrote:

ErunamoJAZZ wrote:

What yes it is most important is that it gives early warning before the registration dates. So big countries may make the choice of their best players, and not what we saw happen: Many countries waited until the weekend to send the registration, because of their internal competitions.
I am probably pointing out the obvious, but the tournament season was announced two months ago, though no exact date was declared.

osu! World Cup #4
Registration Phase: Mid - End of October 2013
Group Stage and Robin Round Stages: November 2013
Finals: Begin of December 2013
The teams had a rough idea as to when they would happen. So each individual country had plenty of time to determine who were represent them.
You are right. However, I refer to a public announcement a week earlier. Generally nobody is going to move until there is a public announcement, and a date.
Topic Starter
Loctav
If you didn't prepare in advance, it's actually your own fault imo :(
You don't need a date to preset your country's team
Zare
honestly in order to reserve a spot you don't even need a prepared team. Might as well just pick 4 you know who will participate to get the spot. You can replace and add new players afterwards, can't you?
Oinari-sama
How about adding a Pre-Group Stage Try Out?

In order to keep it short, the Try Out will be Score based battle royal. The management can select a set of maps to test various types of skills and each team is required to play every maps in the pool. The Total Score of each team will be compared per map and given a Ranking Point. The teams will be ranked based on their total Ranking Points after completing the map pool.

The calculation of Ranking Points (rp) depends on the tournament management's system of choice and how much weighting they choose to put on a team's finish position. A very crude and simple example of Ranking Points is given below:
  1. 1st: +5 Ranking Points
  2. 2nd/3rd: +4
  3. 4th-10th: +3
  4. 11th-15th: +2
  5. 16th-25th: +1
  6. 26th and beyond: +0
This allows the Try Out to take place over a short time period (eg a weekend), since all you need is the team + a ref in each room to record the scores and there can be simultaneous try outs going at the same time. The rest are handled by spreadsheets.

The top 8 teams from the previous OWC can be seeded into the Group Stage so there will be 1 seeded team in each group + 3 teams through the Try Out.

Just a thought...
Imamoto
How about a tournament system ingame via osu! for the future OWC's. It could also be used for smaller tournaments between the OWC's. I think this would be a very good idea ^-^ You could organize every tournament ingame and i guess the competition value of this game would rise incredibly.
Wishy
I love empty idealistic suggestions, can't get more worthless. <3
buny
let's use pp as a viable way to determine skill levels
Imamoto
It was just a suggestion, im not a programmer ;)
fartownik

buny wrote:

let's use pp as a viable way to determine skill levels
XD
Oinari-sama
Might as well !roll for the winner =.=
AmaiHachimitsu
When will #cow be opened for talking?
Noriko

Oinari-sama wrote:

Might as well !roll for the winner =.=
That would be quite fair actually
Topic Starter
Loctav

Loctav wrote:

Please keep in mind that everything that involves manual organized matches are not working, since they can not be organized.
I wonder if people read :C

@Noriko eeeh

@AmaiHachimitsu we'll see. OWC didn't start yet. No need to open it for now. Also it will be way more moderated, so you should quit your moo'ing there - else we will only have it during matches.
Noriko
To bring the "world" back to osu! World Cup, I have thought of a way of ensuring there is less drama about the participating countries. tl;dr but please read before bringing out your bazookas. It's just an idea.

I know this requires even more organizing, but I think it would be fair if the world was divided into more or less equally-numbered groups, like Africa and Europe etc. In those groups, all of the countries listed in the group (which means all of the country communities in osu! would be placed in a group based on the geographical and national setting) can present their team if they want to, and in every group there would be a mini-tournament from where the best countries would proceed to the OWC, making up 32 participants. This way, each and every country, be they really small and weak or really huge and skilled, would have the chance to play for a slot in the OWC and there would not (hopefully) be a case where people would complain because this or that country didn't even get a chance. There would be universal guidelines that would apply to each group, and as there would of course be the main tournament management, a group manager for each group would be assigned to be responsible for the success of the mini-tournament. That would divide workload between the tournament management overall and it would in my opinion be easier for everyone, both the staff and the players, to handle this tournament... The mini-tournaments could be held, let's say, in mid-August or September, this would leave people enough time to practice and the management to organize.
Omgforz
Do you actually have to send in the form a second time for a roster update, or does the pm suffice?

Because the changes haven't been applied yet, or is it just because the tournament staff is busy?
AmaiHachimitsu
Noriko this idea has been suggested in this thread already and he reply was "too much work for us"
Topic Starter
Loctav

Omgforz wrote:

Do you actually have to send in the form a second time for a roster update, or does the pm suffice?

Because the changes haven't been applied yet, or is it just because the tournament staff is busy?
Changes will be applied from tomorrow on.
Noriko

AmaiHachimitsu wrote:

Noriko this idea has been suggested in this thread already and he reply was "too much work for us"
It's called asking for help, everything doesn't have to be done by one or three people or how many there is working on the well-being of the tournament. It won't ensure the effectiveness of things, it will just make them more complicated. If the staff only considered this, it'd be wonderful.
Salvage

Loctav wrote:

I am actually thinking about reserving a slot for all countries that made it into the knock-out stage of the previous OWC. Means that everyone that ascends to knock-out stage has a reserved slot for the next years OWC.
Rest is first come firdt serve or maybe another metric (depending on ppv2)

Drop your opinions please


Good idea, absolutelly agree with this one, the 16 teams in fact could be the seeded teams for the next owc, two on each group.


The qualification one is also pretty good but yeah, it's too much work.
FoxCat

Loctav wrote:

Changes will be applied from tomorrow on.
So that mean Venezuela WILL be playing with it full team or not? You haven't clear it yet and everyone in my team is worried :I
Noriko

-Pikachu- wrote:

Loctav wrote:

Changes will be applied from tomorrow on.
So that mean Venezuela WILL be playing with it full team or not? You haven't clear it yet and everyone in my team is worried :I
Let's wait a little longer and let the management wake up first. :) We'll probably learn this within today.
FoxCat
I guess so.
neonat
The Singapore team is rather new lols.
Topic Starter
Loctav

-Pikachu- wrote:

I guess so.
The message I sent you is yet absolute. Your team can play, the one person not.
Don't drag stuff like this here. I told you to exchange the one person. If you did, everything is fine.

Confirmations to every team will be sent out when their roster has been finalized internally. During this, we'll add people to the wiki page. Please be patient since it can take some time to finalize everything (soooo maaaaaany pms)
popner
I think 8 seeding countries is appropriate. 16 is half of the enrolled teams and 4 is too little to make a difference.

Edit: How about:
Seeding teams decided by the performance of teams in last 2 years:
Last year: +8(1st) +5(2nd) +3(3rd) +2 +1 +1 +1 +1
The year before last: +4(1st) +3(2nd) +2(3rd) +1 +1 +1 +1 +1

The 8 seeding teams will be divided into 8 different groups.
Cubex
I think this OWC will be a close and suspensefully race, there are many good teams. Luckily Germany turned into a powerful and consistent folk of players and got pretty strong. So this year, I exceptionally believe in our team. Good luck to every team tho! :3

Also, how will technical issues be managed? I mean, if for some reason, a players game crashes, lags or freezes? Will there be a repetition for the whole map?
Or will it be ignored and called ''misfortune''?

It's also nice to see that Flashlight will not be part of the played modifications, since it's consisting of studying and memorizing a map.
Topic Starter
Loctav
@Cubex everything is settled in the rules, please refer to them. And please quit the FL discussions and give it a chance. Opinions stay opinions. Tastes stay tastes.
Pizzicato

Loctav wrote:

Omgforz wrote:

Do you actually have to send in the form a second time for a roster update, or does the pm suffice?

Because the changes haven't been applied yet, or is it just because the tournament staff is busy?
Changes will be applied from tomorrow on.
soon™
Metro
Most boring owc thread ever.
Kanye West

Metro wrote:

Most boring owc thread ever.
It'll get fun when #cow opens.
AmaiHachimitsu
It will get fun after drawings, I guess.

Changes will be applied from tomorrow on.
ZzZzZzZ
Noriko

Pizzicato wrote:

Loctav wrote:

Changes will be applied from tomorrow on.
soon™
soon™
Topic Starter
Loctav
Rosters updated.
Aloha
Good luck everyone! \(^o^)/
AmaiHachimitsu
This title is for all our future opponents http://osu.ppy.sh/s/79852
GladiOol

AmaiHachimitsu wrote:

This title is for all our future opponents http://osu.ppy.sh/s/79852
xd
jesse1412

AmaiHachimitsu wrote:

This title is for all our future opponents http://osu.ppy.sh/s/79852
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/20156
Metro
For anyone interested: owc Team Strenght.
Froslass
Uhhh, I'm gonna guess Loctav forgot to put harunya on our team. I'm 100% sure fabricio has put him there, and on the wiki we just have 7 players.
Noriko
Good luck and fast internet! :)
Pizzicato

Blue Dragon wrote:

Uhhh, I'm gonna guess Loctav forgot to put harunya on our team. I'm 100% sure fabricio has put him there, and on the wiki we just have 7 players.
same case on our end. he forgot to put -Gio on our list :(
XPJ38

Metro wrote:

For anyone interested: owc Team Strenght.
Legend please :? It took me several minutes to get that you used osu!tp.

and why did you ignore accuracy
JappyBabes

XPJ38 wrote:

and why did you ignore accuracy
Matches are decided on combo, not accuracy.
Metro
Even if the 8 FC their accuracy is not their real accuracy as they're playing nervously. But you'd also need 8 FC's which is very rare.

And I didn't "code" the spreadsheet, Tom did. I got the idea and he helped me.
AmaiHachimitsu
so on the paper we're #3
























HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
ToGlette
I guess the missing players are ones who dropped out from the player check-up.
If there has been one... Maybe
Cyclohexane

Metro wrote:

For anyone interested: owc Team Strenght.
Thanks. I find stats like that very interesting and they will help me a lot during the streams. If anyone wants to make more statistics and stuff like that, by all means, I'd be very grateful.
Metro
I selected the four best players according to stats but I might've fucked up in some countries. If you think another player should be on the list please PM me.
Topic Starter
Loctav
As in old tradition, we seeded the teams into brackets (4 brackets this year, consisting of 8 per seeding group).
Luckily, I had helping hands, so thank you fartownik, Darksonic and Metro.

Here is the list:

Top-seeded

  • China
    Germany
    Japan
    Korea
    Poland
    United States
    Taiwan
    Thailand

High-seeded

  • Argentina
    Brazil
    Hong Kong
    Latvia
    Norway
    Russian Federation
    Sweden
    United Kingdom

Low-seeded

  • Australia
    Austria
    Canada
    Finland
    France
    Indonesia
    Italy
    Netherlands

Unseeded

  • Belgium
    Bulgaria
    Chile
    Estonia
    New Zealand
    Philippines
    Singapore
    Venezuela
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