I guess if more than 32 teams are registered something is gonna be done, since this is a World Cup I suppose stronger teams are gonna be of a higher priority.I'm pretty much sure there were more than 28 applications from various countries but seems like "someone" is waiting for those 4 countries to fill the team list with them.
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Without Korea and Japan it will be so not interresting ;_;
Karuta already submitted the registration form for Japan, not complete but good enough to reserve the slot.
Doesn't that go against this...Wishy wrote:
I guess if more than 32 teams are registered something is gonna be done, since this is a World Cup I suppose stronger teams are gonna be of a higher priority.
The tournament will run with a total of 32 teams. First come, first serve.
If there's no top4 teams in the game then the tournament doesn't make any sense. If I were the organizer I would reserve last 4 slots for them while they're still free.
We are all assuming things, Loctav has the final word, might aswell just wait for him. :p
Another idea would be to let these "Top 4" teams have an automatic spot in the Knockout Stage. This would give more countries a chance to compete, at least in the Group Stage. And yet another would be to increase the amount of teams to 40. This would allow five teams per group. And then the top two from each group would move on to the Knockout Stage.
But by reserving slots for teams without prior knowledge to the rest of the countries considering entering seems shady. Because then the other countries are actually rushing to apply for one of 28 spots instead of the 32 stated in the registration rules.
But by reserving slots for teams without prior knowledge to the rest of the countries considering entering seems shady. Because then the other countries are actually rushing to apply for one of 28 spots instead of the 32 stated in the registration rules.
well, they're interesting to watch. it'd be a sad thing if they won't participate in this tournament
but the tournament can still run without them
but the tournament can still run without them
2013-10-17 22:21 Loctav: Reserving is invalid.fartownik wrote:
I was serious when I proposed reserving slots for such teams as Japan or Korea.
If there's no Japan, Korea, China and Taiwan then this tournament shall not exist.
yeee
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I'd say all those are pretty much "reserved".
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I'd say all those are pretty much "reserved".
No, those would be apps or PMs that Loctav has but hasn't checked. Reserved is just no roster/one person or something. Maybe it will actually be competitive this time.
Some of those countries might not have enough players of high enough caliber to participate anyway.me3lingual wrote:
Another idea would be to let these "Top 4" teams have an automatic spot in the Knockout Stage. This would give more countries a chance to compete, at least in the Group Stage. And yet another would be to increase the amount of teams to 40. This would allow five teams per group. And then the top two from each group would move on to the Knockout Stage.
But by reserving slots for teams without prior knowledge to the rest of the countries considering entering seems shady. Because then the other countries are actually rushing to apply for one of 28 spots instead of the 32 stated in the registration rules.
I wouldn't worry anyways, with Loctav we have kind of discussed what to do if something like that happens, because it would be seriously idiotic to have the best teams out of the World Cup.
Exceptions are cool. Looking forward to another short finals.Wishy wrote:
I wouldn't worry anyways, with Loctav we have kind of discussed what to do if something like that happens, because it would be seriously idiotic to have the best teams out of the World Cup.
I think it would be cool if we had an elimination round by continent to decide which teams can go (like soccer world cup) but due to lack of time that wouldn't be possible
That idea came up but truth is it's a lot of work and there is no time to do such a thing. 
Just submitted Eiji Kuinbii with HD with the form. It'd be beautiful to see all spammers just flop.
Soarezi
Japan and Taiwan have sent a registration form already, I think Dungeon sent the Korea's one. Gonna have to wait for confirmation from Loctav.
I am in charge of Korean Team. I've sent the registration form for Korea. We've just finished our qualifiers today.
racists why can't arabians like bahrain take part in this tournament
such racist admin
very sad
very sad
Topic Starter
All slots are full now. Updated rosters.
Racist, Bahrain registered before Korea. I am outrage.Loctav wrote:
All slots are full now. Updated rosters.
you not let best team world bahrain enterjesus1412 wrote:
Racist, Bahrain registered before Korea. I am outrage.Loctav wrote:
All slots are full now. Updated rosters.
such unfair
very admin pls
RIP in peace Bahrain team, maybe next year.
Same goes with Dutch team.Metro wrote:
wtf is up with Canada team? Where's Layne and Mythol?
Mythol's not coming, Layne and Kairi are there but not on the wiki yetMetro wrote:
wtf is up with Canada team? Where's Layne and Mythol?
Dutch team this year is a joke, no1 wanted to participate this time ):Frostmourne wrote:
Same goes with Dutch team.Metro wrote:
wtf is up with Canada team? Where's Layne and Mythol?
i believe, we must make it past groups
the dash adds emphasis thoughpielak213 wrote:
you guys got my name wrong >;(
also i hope the commentators pronounce my name properly this year
RIP hollandFrostmourne wrote:
Same goes with Dutch team.Metro wrote:
wtf is up with Canada team? Where's Layne and Mythol?
What's that like Puny with a B?buny wrote:
i hope the commentators pronounce my name properly this year
It's not about being racist... The organizers are just afraid of the beast that is Bahrain, that's why they allowed noob countries like South Korea and Japan to participate instead.friendok wrote:
racists why can't arabians like bahrain take part in this tournament
I propose that Bahrain has a reserved slot in the finals of every upcoming OWC as a compensation.
We still have you, this will be no problemSynchrostar wrote:
i believe, we must make it past groups
I believe. GO TEAM DUTCH
buny like bunny plskriers wrote:
What's that like Puny with a B?buny wrote:
i hope the commentators pronounce my name properly this year
Punie?
So how will the streaming work this year? Will each streamer take turn, or will there be mirror (alternative) streams?
Also I just thought it'll be cool to invite guest commentators to fill the gap between matches (or downtimes) by talking about osu news, highlights and even community projects/tools... sort of like an osu!commercial break? xD
I'm putting this out here now so that I don't forget to post later. I know it's kind of early to talk about this =.=
Also I just thought it'll be cool to invite guest commentators to fill the gap between matches (or downtimes) by talking about osu news, highlights and even community projects/tools... sort of like an osu!commercial break? xD
I'm putting this out here now so that I don't forget to post later. I know it's kind of early to talk about this =.=
I think you need a name change before that starts making sense. In any case you can't blame anyone for spelling it wrong thenbuny wrote:
buny like bunny pls
Topic Starter
Since all countries are settled now, we shorten the roster change deadline to the 23rd Oct 2013. After this deadline, you can not change your team settings anymore. After this deadline, all rosters get checked.
Please send me your final rosters via forum PM till the 23rd Oct 2013, 23:59:59 UTC.Any roster changes after this deadline can not be considered.
Please send me your final rosters via forum PM till the 23rd Oct 2013, 23:59:59 UTC.Any roster changes after this deadline can not be considered.
Well it was first in first serve...Artaxerx wrote:
So China will not be participating?!?!
osu news"Dear ladies and gentlemen, AmaiHachimitsu has achieved rank ....."
Well it was first in first serve...HAHAHA, nope
China did not participate in OWC #2, so that's not the first time :/Artaxerx wrote:
So China will not be participating?!?!
That's actually not a bad idea, I'd like this to happen.Oinari-sama wrote:
Also I just thought it'll be cool to invite guest commentators to fill the gap between matches (or downtimes) by talking about osu news, highlights and even community projects/tools... sort of like an osu!commercial break? xD
china have registered, just a little bit late...
maybe someone can help us ?
maybe someone can help us
?China quited OWC #2, but we are prepared for OWC #4 half a month, just a little bit sad.
Anyway, have a good luck in next year.
Anyway, have a good luck in next year.
khalifa father
China have no chance to participate in owc...? I'm very sad... i hope someone can help us..
Colombia also sent late registration. It took us specifying the 8 players ... we did not have many chances to reach semifinal, but we wanted to try.
Until next year :/
EDIT: I suggest that next year the dates notify one week in advance. Also, just take a weekend (3 days) to the form submission.
It is surprising that Japan, Korea and Taiwan, have been the last to join, and it is sad that China has been left out.
I also support the suggestion of Blue Dragon than by continents, increase competitiveness in countries where although they have some good players, but they do not dare to participate because they know they will not win against the top Asians.
It would also be a good way to see that there are level regions.
Until next year :/
EDIT: I suggest that next year the dates notify one week in advance. Also, just take a weekend (3 days) to the form submission.
It is surprising that Japan, Korea and Taiwan, have been the last to join, and it is sad that China has been left out.
I also support the suggestion of Blue Dragon than by continents, increase competitiveness in countries where although they have some good players, but they do not dare to participate because they know they will not win against the top Asians.
It would also be a good way to see that there are level regions.
The ideal system would make the top 32 teams play and let the rest out. Making a whole series of tournament to qualify would actually be quite a waste of time, and even if you do it by continent you will get all top teams qualify and end up in the same situation, only you made the good teams waste their time winning 9999999-0 against random teams. xdErunamoJAZZ wrote:
Colombia also sent late registration. It took us specifying the 8 players ... we did not have many chances to reach semifinal, but we wanted to try.
Until next year :/
EDIT: I suggest that next year the dates notify one week in advance. Also, just take a weekend (3 days) to the form submission.
It is surprising that Japan, Korea and Taiwan, have been the last to join, and it is sad that China has been left out.
I also support the suggestion of Blue Dragon than by continents, increase competitiveness in countries where although they have some good players, but they do not dare to participate because they know they will not win against the top Asians.
It would also be a good way to see that there are level regions.
OWC Second Division anyone?
That already happened last year though.Wishy wrote:
you made the good teams waste their time winning 9999999-0 against random teams. xd
It took us specifying the 8 playersYou should've just send a team with 4 players you would be sure to participate. You can add others later.
And the same thing is going to happen this year as well.JappyBabes wrote:
That already happened last year though.Wishy wrote:
you made the good teams waste their time winning 9999999-0 against random teams. xd
Bulgaria clutch victory i see it
We China's Team leader made a mistake - late for a bit. And we sincerely hope we can participate in OWC#4 finally. 
Vietnam's slot has been replaced by China, because according to Loctav, we were a bit late in registering. Oh well, good luck to China!
I will almost cry
Happy end finally~TAT
And Vietnam must be a strong team I believe
Happy end finally~TAT
And Vietnam must be a strong team I believe
http://osu.ppy.sh/wiki/Osu_World_Cup_2013-Ryuujii- wrote:
So who's on Team Usa?
brb name changing to bun-ykriers wrote:
I think you need a name change before that starts making sense. In any case you can't blame anyone for spelling it wrong thenbuny wrote:
buny like bunny pls
another month or two of our lifes revolving around clicking circles again yay \o/
Like it didn't revolve around it before hahakamiyo-sama wrote:
another month or two of our lifes revolving around clicking circles again yay \o/
I hope next year there's a thorough set of requirements for countries to apply for a slot. Also as it was mentioned before in this topic, it would be a really good idea to either reserve slots for high tier countries or have them join in later during the tournament... just like the Eurovision Song Contest works. Quite effectively.
let's just announce Korea the winner and repeat this through following editions, the others fight for #2
any signs of cookiezi?
Lol I also wanted to know that. He might suddenly appear out of the blue..Pizzicato wrote:
any signs of cookiezi?
Also, good luck for all of the participants!
Topic Starter
I am actually thinking about reserving a slot for all countries that made it into the knock-out stage of the previous OWC. Means that everyone that ascends to knock-out stage has a reserved slot for the next years OWC.
Rest is first come firdt serve or maybe another metric (depending on ppv2)
Drop your opinions please
Rest is first come firdt serve or maybe another metric (depending on ppv2)
Drop your opinions please
No signs of cookiezi I guess XPPizzicato wrote:
any signs of cookiezi?
wasn't there talk of seeding countries or something like that? how about reserving slots for the top x seeded countries?
I like it, because without the strongest teams this is not the same.
8 or 4 would be fine. 16 is too much for seed imo.
I have an idea.
How about next years OWC there should be a requirement for the skill cap. Lets say there are certain songs picked out by the management that has a similarity of the difficulty for the maps that are going to be brought to the next years map pool. If people can pull off those off then they should be able to qualify for the tournament. On top of that, the countries that have the biggest population on this game could (doesn't have to) have reserved spots, due to the amount of players that there are in the country in example:Japan, China, US, Taiwan. They probably require more time in order to get their players chosen, that seems natural to me.
First come first serve is the most logical idea, since if the captains can't get their players chosen or to take action properly in a small duration, then it's their fault they didn't make it.
In all honest, I don't believe in the metric system, PP is already a disaster, I'm already assuming ppv2 is also going to be another calculation based system where people will figure out their way on how to farm those points just the way like the current system and the ranked score system was. Numbers don't always mean everything, it's about the skill that the player has.
How about next years OWC there should be a requirement for the skill cap. Lets say there are certain songs picked out by the management that has a similarity of the difficulty for the maps that are going to be brought to the next years map pool. If people can pull off those off then they should be able to qualify for the tournament. On top of that, the countries that have the biggest population on this game could (doesn't have to) have reserved spots, due to the amount of players that there are in the country in example:Japan, China, US, Taiwan. They probably require more time in order to get their players chosen, that seems natural to me.
First come first serve is the most logical idea, since if the captains can't get their players chosen or to take action properly in a small duration, then it's their fault they didn't make it.
In all honest, I don't believe in the metric system, PP is already a disaster, I'm already assuming ppv2 is also going to be another calculation based system where people will figure out their way on how to farm those points just the way like the current system and the ranked score system was. Numbers don't always mean everything, it's about the skill that the player has.
Topic Starter
A long lasting qualification metric can work, but I doubt that we can afford it. Especially considering that the other world cups are existent, too, the work load is immense and tbh I want to have some free-time and don't manage world cups the entire year (this goes even more for my fellow organizers and helping hands)
Please keep in mind that everything that involves manual organized matches are not working, since they can not be organized.
A map chart that has certain maps in it and not single players but countries could high rank on it could also work, but this requires a better metric than current pp. I want to wait for ppv2 before excluding the usage of ranking metrics.
Anyways reserving slots based on population seems weird to me. I think reserving slots by progress in previous owc works nicely, especially because winning group stage already rewards people even if they don't come far in the knock outs
Please keep in mind that everything that involves manual organized matches are not working, since they can not be organized.
A map chart that has certain maps in it and not single players but countries could high rank on it could also work, but this requires a better metric than current pp. I want to wait for ppv2 before excluding the usage of ranking metrics.
Anyways reserving slots based on population seems weird to me. I think reserving slots by progress in previous owc works nicely, especially because winning group stage already rewards people even if they don't come far in the knock outs
You could afford it if you didn't make the same staff in charge of all of them with the same expectations of streams etc. Every iteration that ppv2 has went through has been worse than what is in place now so I wouldn't have high hopes. And if you'd like to allow reservations for countries that made it to the single elimination bracket, why was China not reserve, but replace a slot after all of them were taken? Also curious as to why would you change the roster deadline to a week earlier just because the slots filled up fast, unless you plan on moving the rest of the event earlier there is no reason to move this deadline earlier on short notice.Loctav wrote:
A long lasting qualification metric can work, but I doubt that we can afford it. Especially considering that the other world cups are existent, too, the work load is immense and tbh I want to have some free-time and don't manage world cups the entire year (this goes even more for my fellow organizers and helping hands)
Please keep in mind that everything that involves manual organized matches are not working, since they can not be organized.
A map chart that has certain maps in it and not single players but countries could high rank on it could also work, but this requires a better metric than current pp. I want to wait for ppv2 before excluding the usage of ranking metrics.
Anyways reserving slots based on population seems weird to me. I think reserving slots by progress in previous owc works nicely, especially because winning group stage already rewards people even if they don't come far in the knock outs
I don't know if the organizers plan to increase the number of participating teams, so let's just say that the next OWC also has 32 teams. If that's the case, how about if the top 8 teams from this OWC have a reserved slot for the next one? Each of these 8 teams will be placed in one of the 8 groups in the next OWC, so they wouldn't meet each other in group stage. The rest of the teams will be selected on a "first-come-first-serve" basis.
Soarezi
i dont know anything about this. so i'll ask
why cant he?
ray of hope for everyone wwwwww
why cant he?
ray of hope for everyone wwwwww
Roster deadline and his eye problems probably.Pizzicato wrote:
i dont know anything about this. so i'll ask
why cant he?
ray of hope for everyone wwwwww
I consider 8 teams much. For me, with 4 teams is enough.
What yes it is most important is that it gives early warning before the registration dates. So big countries may make the choice of their best players, and not what we saw happen: Many countries waited until the weekend to send the registration, because of their internal competitions.
What yes it is most important is that it gives early warning before the registration dates. So big countries may make the choice of their best players, and not what we saw happen: Many countries waited until the weekend to send the registration, because of their internal competitions.
Soarezi
but SC2 is okay?
I am probably pointing out the obvious, but the tournament season was announced two months ago, though no exact date was declared.ErunamoJAZZ wrote:
What yes it is most important is that it gives early warning before the registration dates. So big countries may make the choice of their best players, and not what we saw happen: Many countries waited until the weekend to send the registration, because of their internal competitions.
osu! World Cup #4The teams had a rough idea as to when they would happen. So each individual country had plenty of time to determine who were represent them.
Registration Phase: Mid - End of October 2013
Group Stage and Robin Round Stages: November 2013
Finals: Begin of December 2013
He plays PSO2 for now lolAmaiHachimitsu wrote:
but SC2 is okay?
So I don't think that is healthy for one's sight.
@edit:
Concerning prizes:
@edit:
Concerning prizes:
#1: 6 month supporter tag, profile badge, OWC trophySo that means only the captain will have some memento and the rest of the team is to be satisfied by the picture? : D
They could always share :3AmaiHachimitsu wrote:
Quote:
#1: 6 month supporter tag, profile badge, OWC trophy
So that means only the captain will have some memento and the rest of the team is to be satisfied by the picture? : D
I think the best compromise is that all teams that reach the semifinals in OWC get a BYE for the next edition, it would at least ensure a spot for the cream of the crop.
Uh, does this mean that China registered before Vietnam, or that both teams registered "after deadline"Toroguythingymajig wrote:
Vietnam's slot has been replaced by China, because according to Loctav, we were a bit late in registering. Oh well, good luck to China!
Topic Starter
I am talking about future. In this owc, no one got reserved slots
@Cxu it was a close race at the end. Due to an internal error, the Chinese sign-up disappeared but the revision history restored it. Figuring that out, China was like the 31st registree. (People should stop submitting their registration 15 times >_____>)
Vietnam was the 34th or something
@Amai everyone would get the trophy. Not only the captain, lol
@JappyBabes internal issues require it. If I don't shorten it, we will run out of time when releasing the schedules and then the cry out is even bigger.
The workload on certain things resulted in being higher than expected. We just need the definite rosters earlier. Most teams were able to arrange it (29/32 so far), so I think you can, too. I believe in you
@Cxu it was a close race at the end. Due to an internal error, the Chinese sign-up disappeared but the revision history restored it. Figuring that out, China was like the 31st registree. (People should stop submitting their registration 15 times >_____>)
Vietnam was the 34th or something
@Amai everyone would get the trophy. Not only the captain, lol
@JappyBabes internal issues require it. If I don't shorten it, we will run out of time when releasing the schedules and then the cry out is even bigger.
The workload on certain things resulted in being higher than expected. We just need the definite rosters earlier. Most teams were able to arrange it (29/32 so far), so I think you can, too. I believe in you
You are right. However, I refer to a public announcement a week earlier. Generally nobody is going to move until there is a public announcement, and a date.me3lingual wrote:
I am probably pointing out the obvious, but the tournament season was announced two months ago, though no exact date was declared.ErunamoJAZZ wrote:
What yes it is most important is that it gives early warning before the registration dates. So big countries may make the choice of their best players, and not what we saw happen: Many countries waited until the weekend to send the registration, because of their internal competitions.osu! World Cup #4The teams had a rough idea as to when they would happen. So each individual country had plenty of time to determine who were represent them.
Registration Phase: Mid - End of October 2013
Group Stage and Robin Round Stages: November 2013
Finals: Begin of December 2013
Topic Starter
If you didn't prepare in advance, it's actually your own fault imo
You don't need a date to preset your country's team
You don't need a date to preset your country's team
honestly in order to reserve a spot you don't even need a prepared team. Might as well just pick 4 you know who will participate to get the spot. You can replace and add new players afterwards, can't you?
How about adding a Pre-Group Stage Try Out?
In order to keep it short, the Try Out will be Score based battle royal. The management can select a set of maps to test various types of skills and each team is required to play every maps in the pool. The Total Score of each team will be compared per map and given a Ranking Point. The teams will be ranked based on their total Ranking Points after completing the map pool.
The calculation of Ranking Points (rp) depends on the tournament management's system of choice and how much weighting they choose to put on a team's finish position. A very crude and simple example of Ranking Points is given below:
The top 8 teams from the previous OWC can be seeded into the Group Stage so there will be 1 seeded team in each group + 3 teams through the Try Out.
Just a thought...
In order to keep it short, the Try Out will be Score based battle royal. The management can select a set of maps to test various types of skills and each team is required to play every maps in the pool. The Total Score of each team will be compared per map and given a Ranking Point. The teams will be ranked based on their total Ranking Points after completing the map pool.
The calculation of Ranking Points (rp) depends on the tournament management's system of choice and how much weighting they choose to put on a team's finish position. A very crude and simple example of Ranking Points is given below:
- 1st: +5 Ranking Points
- 2nd/3rd: +4
- 4th-10th: +3
- 11th-15th: +2
- 16th-25th: +1
- 26th and beyond: +0
The top 8 teams from the previous OWC can be seeded into the Group Stage so there will be 1 seeded team in each group + 3 teams through the Try Out.
Just a thought...
Imamoto
I love empty idealistic suggestions, can't get more worthless. <3