@dake: how exactly does the commuter translate from your character patchouli? like, why would she be a commuter?
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I hide in the library each night, being immune to all night actions.
fartownik wrote:
I've planned to vote you (Tanz) yesterday, but I had RB on the priority first, and no one seems to share my suspicions on him.
BRBP wrote:
I don't even have to look back to be able to say you misunderstood itRaging Bull wrote:
I voted for BRBP because I asked him a question that I believe was important. He stated he believes Jinxy was suspicious and that it was obvious.
Didn'tRaging Bull wrote:
All he did was shoot someone and leave.
Yeah nevermind, I was gonna reply all then I realize you said you only saw who was going to vote you because of that. Fuck you
Yes, exactly.
Also that claim from Dake is a real shitty one. Commuter is a very convenient one if you want to fakeclaim, and he possibly just did.
Also that claim from Dake is a real shitty one. Commuter is a very convenient one if you want to fakeclaim, and he possibly just did.
^ first part was directed to BRBP.
BRBP wrote:
So now you decided to go to your third suspect...? Without anything new brought to the Dake's case, you just simply decided to vote with no explanation at all?fartownik wrote:
I've planned to vote you yesterday, but I had RB on the priority first, and no one seems to share my suspicions on him.
I assume you're replying to this part of BRBP's post. Correct me if I'm wrong.fartownik wrote:
Yes, exactly.
Why do you have no explanation for something like that? Hell, you've been acting more and more scummy since around yesterday. You jumped to voting Tanz, giving an excuse of more reaction test crap when called out contradicting your reads, and then switch over to Dake, outright saying you have no explanation, or I assume, a secret explanation for more "reaction tests". Such secretive shit rarely helps town and is more likely a scum's excuse.
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RE: Dake's claim
Well, the flavour certainly fits, since the flavour location of this game is exactly where Patche lives / has her library in, and Patche's general characterization fits an "avoiding" style role. She was used as a Hider in another TH PYP iirc? Nevertheless, it might be a convenient fakeclaim as suggested by fart, though I'm certainly believing it more than fart, for the above reasons.
So you make no active effort to convince me to take my vote off of you, in fact you imply that my vote is agreeable on.Royston wrote:
What can I say indeed? You made a good, well reasoned post. If not for the fact that I know I'm town, I'd agree with you.
But the moment you get another vote, you instantly bail out and smack a vote on someone else so they get lynched instead of you?Royston wrote:
vote:Dake
God you'd better not be town. But, hell, at this point I can't let this drag on and risk the lynch on myself.
Also, "God you'd better not be town." sounds to me once again like you know who's town and who's not, but you're pretending like you don't know/trying to make it look like you don't.
Perhaps I should switch my vote back over to you, Royston.
of course I'm gonna smack a vote on someone else, I'm not gonna let myself get lynched for fun. I stupidly thought I had 3 votes on me & with lilac threatening to hammer I acted.
it's simple. Am I scum? No. Is Dake? Hell if I know. I'm leaning towards not after his claim, though I can't say I know shit about Touhou to say whether it makes sense or not, whatever. The point is, I'm not gonna twiddle my thumbs and wait to die. which almost happened before the extension.
the only situation I understand where someone would -want- to get lynched is a) Jester or b) vengeful mafia, and trust me I'm neither
it's simple. Am I scum? No. Is Dake? Hell if I know. I'm leaning towards not after his claim, though I can't say I know shit about Touhou to say whether it makes sense or not, whatever. The point is, I'm not gonna twiddle my thumbs and wait to die. which almost happened before the extension.
the only situation I understand where someone would -want- to get lynched is a) Jester or b) vengeful mafia, and trust me I'm neither
The fact is, you let me put a vote on you without any retaliation from your part. Meaning you were actively allowing me to increase the odds/risk of you getting lynched. Not only does this contradict the argument you present to me now, but the fact is, as town, risking your own death is not town-motivated behaviour. The only excuse for behaving this way, aside from being jester or vengeful, is if you're mafia and you can't come up with a reasonable argument to counter my vote on you.Royston wrote:
of course I'm gonna smack a vote on someone else, I'm not gonna let myself get lynched for fun. I stupidly thought I had 3 votes on me & with lilac threatening to hammer I acted.
it's simple. Am I scum? No. Is Dake? Hell if I know. I'm leaning towards not after his claim, though I can't say I know shit about Touhou to say whether it makes sense or not, whatever. The point is, I'm not gonna twiddle my thumbs and wait to die. which almost happened before the extension.
the only situation I understand where someone would -want- to get lynched is a) Jester or b) vengeful mafia, and trust me I'm neither
Not only that, but you soon after vote DD solely so that you won't get lynched. You can say that "oh yeah i'm town and he might not be" and therefore make it a town-motivated action, but it's extremely easy for any scum to just do this sort of thing and use that as a weak excuse. Hell, if you're expecting me to believe that, then everyone in this game may as damn well be town. You're just putting increased risk on someone else who you don't even know whether they are scum or not (I haven't seen any thoughts from you on DD), and therefore an unjustified vote is a scum-motivated one.
You know what, my Dake vote wasn't all that justified anyways. Let me change that back.
Unvote
Vote: Royston
I want to claim my role, but I need everyone to unvote before doing it.
Unvote
Wait, what?
You can always put your vote back if my claim doesn't change anything in your point of view.
I need everyone to unvote, then I claim and then you can put your vote back if you want. I don't see why anyone wouldn't do it.
I need everyone to unvote, then I claim and then you can put your vote back if you want. I don't see why anyone wouldn't do it.
Yeah but why are you claiming now of all times? :<
Because I find it necessary/useful.
why now of all times? and why would we need to unvote?
No, until you explain why.
Jesus, how is that fucking harmful to just unvote? The day is not gonna end soon, you don't risk anything and I'm not asking for much.
I don't see why you require unvotes to claim. If your claim is really strong enough to change out points of view, then we'll move our vote. I don't see any difference of this and unvoting and revoting, unless you have some sort of ulterior motive that relies on a lack of votes.
I tell you there's a difference. At least move the votes so they're not at L-2.
doublevoter maybe?
Unvote
;w;
inb4 he's just trolling mod
;w;
inb4 he's just trolling mod
for BRBP, there is no such thing as changing situations. they would be uncomfortable to deal with anyway, right?
Unvote
Unvote
It wasn't necessary back then, god why are you such a log.BRBP wrote:
You could've claimed on the beginning of the day when nobody's voting.
So, no.
This is as far as I'll agree with. Insures against a possible Doublevoter, and also whatever might happen in a 0-vote situation.fartownik wrote:
I tell you there's a difference. At least move the votes so they're not at L-2.
Current votecount if I calculated correctly:
Royston (2) - Jinxy, Raging BullWell?
Tanzklaue (2) - BRBP, DakeDekaane
you don't seem to trust anyone except the people everyone has scumreads on.BRBP wrote:
Probably because I don't trust you, and nothing guarantees your ability won't something harmful. Hey, I'm just playing the game.fartownik wrote:
It wasn't necessary back then, god why are you such a log.
Claim: Mason
I'm Komeiji Satori, Mason along with Royston, Komeiji Koishi.
I didn't want any quickhammer on Royston from potential scum, that's why I wanted everyone to unvote.
I'm Komeiji Satori, Mason along with Royston, Komeiji Koishi.
I didn't want any quickhammer on Royston from potential scum, that's why I wanted everyone to unvote.
Btw. JInxy - you're scum or your reads are horrible. You voted every confirmed Town so far (yes, bringing this argument again).
Unvote
And I'm going to reply in the exact same way as before. Besides, I did call you out on providing excuses for Royston and defending him hard, something clearly scummy if you two weren't Masons.
And I'm going to reply in the exact same way as before. Besides, I did call you out on providing excuses for Royston and defending him hard, something clearly scummy if you two weren't Masons.
Eeeyyy, more people claimed.
So then... what now?
So then... what now?
So, the only ones that didn't claim are RB, JInxy and Lilac. If Tanz is telling the truth - one of them is a Mafia Roleblocker.
dake could be a mafia roleblocker aswell. his claim is convenient, and I believe that there are enough people who could prepare good fakeclaims.
This is actually possible, and possibly a plan of his.Tanzklaue wrote:
dake could be a mafia roleblocker aswell. his claim is convenient, and I believe that there are enough people who could prepare good fakeclaims.
If we thought not to lynch Dake, we would possibly decide for one person to target him during the night, seeing whether his ability is blocked. He could simply roleblock that person and his claim would be kinda-confirmed.
True. Though, what if we got more people to check? He can't possibly roleblock them all, then.
we have, if all the other claims are true, only one active ability that could do that, and that's me.Jinxy wrote:
True. Though, what if we got more people to check? He can't possibly roleblock them all, then.
and I will most likely not see day 3 alive. so it lies upon RB, lilac and you.
If we wish to set up a confirmation for his claim we would need 3 confirmed Town players with night roles. We have only 1 leaning Town because of the role, rest is unknown. The results would be pure WIFOM anyways, this is not a good idea.
@Tanz: it's most likely that it's me who's gonna die, or Royston, as we're confirmed Town right now. If there's a protective role - I wish it targets one of us at random.
you're not 100% eitherfartownik wrote:
@Tanz: it's most likely that it's me who's gonna die, or Royston, as we're confirmed Town right now. If there's a protective role - I wish it targets one of us at random.
I would've liked to confirm you and royston in the case of a case, but you're actually right.
if we would get the roleblocker though, thzat would make me the most likely target, as I would be able to confirm other townies (and would be almost confirmed myself actually).
Also the remaining unclaimed players - don't claim please. If there's a protective role among you it will be really useful tonight, and if scum knows who it is they can block it. Protect me or Royston at random, Tanz is still most likely to be roleblocked (if Town). Also if one of me or Royston die, it's (again) high likely one of the unclaimed is scum, or even two as they are not afraid of the potential Doctor, means they know there's none as they're scum themselves.
Also my reads. I've done it with percentages, the closer to 100% the more likely the person is to be scum.
DakeDekaane 80%
Lilac 40% (possible scum with Kitsunemimi)
Raging Bull 70%
Tanzklaue 50%
Jinxy 70%
Kitsunemimi 40% (possible scum with Lilac)
Royston 0%
BRBP 10%
fartownik 0%
Nice and shiny.
DakeDekaane 80%
Lilac 40% (possible scum with Kitsunemimi)
Raging Bull 70%
Tanzklaue 50%
Jinxy 70%
Kitsunemimi 40% (possible scum with Lilac)
Royston 0%
BRBP 10%
fartownik 0%
Nice and shiny.
farto, if what you're saying is true then I think we might want to get rid of RB because...
Yeah, I didn't really do the best thing last night if he is scum.
Yeah, I didn't really do the best thing last night if he is scum.
Obligatory "what did you do Lilac?"
Let's say if he's the roleblocker...
...he's more than likely gonna get more than one roleblock tonight.
...he's more than likely gonna get more than one roleblock tonight.
So your role doubles the amount of actions of the person you target?
Hey, you told me not to role claim and I ain't going to.
Also, that's not really how my role works, this is just the worst case scenario.
Also, that's not really how my role works, this is just the worst case scenario.
well, I will go to bed in a few minutes and probably pass out imediately and I may not make it back for the deadline.
so if there is something you need me for, say it now.
so if there is something you need me for, say it now.
Vote: RB.
That's my paranoia voting. Will give a more detailed reason after I get out of my bed.
That's my paranoia voting. Will give a more detailed reason after I get out of my bed.
Also. Vote for who you think is mafia, Tanz. If you have then that's the best thing you can do.
then i shall do just that.
Vote: DakeDekaane
and with that I'm off to bed. good night folks.
Vote: DakeDekaane
and with that I'm off to bed. good night folks.
You already said partially what your role does, and you're not a Doctor for sure. I wanted you not to claim so scum doesn't know whether there's a Doctor or not, and you already buried that possibility for yourself.Lilac wrote:
Hey, you told me not to role claim and I ain't going to.
Also, that's not really how my role works, this is just the worst case scenario.
There a few other people who haven't claimed so who knows?
I will say if RB is scum then this night will turn out really bad. And I really mean that.
I will say if RB is scum then this night will turn out really bad. And I really mean that.
Only RB and JInxy didn't claim, and they're potentially both scum.
Do I need to say anything more to convince you to lynch RB?
Not really, RB was my top suspect anyways.
Vote: RB
Vote: RB
May I know why my name is in an intense red color in your list fart? Is it because my role?
Okay so I cannot claim because of fart, then I'm told I'm scum because I didn't claim. I just don't know why the hell do you keep hopping around so much. Looks as though you are so uncertain of your voting at all times. I can't tell if you're doing this purposely just to scum paint me more and more.
Vote:fartownik
Vote:fartownik
Also why did you even target me at night if you thought I was scum Lilac?
Cause you were the first person to argue against me.
Also, that's pretty bold to go and vote for a claimed Mason.
Ugh. I dunno, I think this is really getting out of hand for me.
Also, that's pretty bold to go and vote for a claimed Mason.
Ugh. I dunno, I think this is really getting out of hand for me.
Wow, RB, do you even read? Do you really vote me when I already claimed Mason? That's scummy as hell.
Also I'm not voting you because you didn't claim, you misunderstood that post. I'm voting you because I suspect you, that post was only informative, directed to Lilac.
Also I'm not voting you because you didn't claim, you misunderstood that post. I'm voting you because I suspect you, that post was only informative, directed to Lilac.
After a while of thinking, I want Lilac to claim his role as well. Please do it.
Isn't it already pretty obvious what Lilac is based on what he described earlier?
Also, orz all my reads are wrong now ._.
Should I just vote RB? I don't really want really bad things happening tonight...
Also, orz all my reads are wrong now ._.
Should I just vote RB? I don't really want really bad things happening tonight...
Go on and tell me, not obvious for me.Kitsunemimi wrote:
Isn't it already pretty obvious what Lilac is based on what he described earlier?
Also, orz all my reads are wrong now ._.
Should I just vote RB? I don't really want really bad things happening tonight...
I'm gonna wait until Lilac comes to tell us himself.
What's your guess? We'll wait a while for Lilac, seems you figured it out.
Really?
Ugh, fine. I'm an inventor, Nitori Kawashiro. Breadcrumbs were "You're gonna waste it." to RB since I gave him jailkeep, a cosplay (which is actually really bad looking and a bit too small on me.) and the 'jealousy vote' before the game started to Tanz.
You happy now? Not sure what that will achieve though. I'm lost as all hell.
Ugh, fine. I'm an inventor, Nitori Kawashiro. Breadcrumbs were "You're gonna waste it." to RB since I gave him jailkeep, a cosplay (which is actually really bad looking and a bit too small on me.) and the 'jealousy vote' before the game started to Tanz.
You happy now? Not sure what that will achieve though. I'm lost as all hell.
RB: Did you get any notification that you have been given the said role?
Also Lilac, so you gave RB a Jailkeeper ability because he was the first one to argue with you? How does that make sense?
No one else at the time was trustworthy to give it to, in my opinion. Sakura would definitely be gone at N1 and it's takes the next night to use it. Rantai was a SK in my eyes, BRBP and Royston would have more than likely wasted it with not enough experience, farto and Jinx was mafia in my eyes since that battle between you could be determined either way, I didn't trust Tanz enough with the gunsmith claim and Kanye was inactive as hell. Mimi I decided to wait on to see.
RB was the only one who had the guts to actually go against what I had to say about BRBP, Mimi and Tanz but now that I think about it his reasoning in the end wasn't actually strong enough to have warrant a townread. I guess that was a lapse in my judgement.
RB was the only one who had the guts to actually go against what I had to say about BRBP, Mimi and Tanz but now that I think about it his reasoning in the end wasn't actually strong enough to have warrant a townread. I guess that was a lapse in my judgement.
Yep, it totally was. If you have given the ability to BRBP he would be safe because scum would think he's Vanilla, while he would actually be a Jailkeeper. They most likely wouldn't kill him until the very end of the game. Yet you decided to lend the ability to a null read.
Well I'm completely sorry about that.
Want me to try and fix that with this lynch and my next night action or...do you want to continue about how bad of a decision I made and keep mulling over the past now?
Want me to try and fix that with this lynch and my next night action or...do you want to continue about how bad of a decision I made and keep mulling over the past now?
I'm actually waiting for RB right now.
Confirming this, in case anyone was wondering.fartownik wrote:
Claim: Mason
I'm Komeiji Satori, Mason along with Royston, Komeiji Koishi.
I... I don't know what to say. I really don't. Did you miss the mason claim? No? Maybe?Raging Bull wrote:
Okay so I cannot claim because of fart, then I'm told I'm scum because I didn't claim. I just don't know why the hell do you keep hopping around so much. Looks as though you are so uncertain of your voting at all times. I can't tell if you're doing this purposely just to scum paint me more and more.
Vote:fartownik
And you were voting for me before, right? If you actually think fartownik is scum, then why bother changing your vote? I mean, he pretty much just confirmed us both as town, and if you think he's scum, then naturally he's lying about me being town too, right? Unless you think he's scum and I'm town, and if he claimed masonship with me, I think I'd have something to say about that. If you were town, then what you're doing is entirely illogical.
vote:Raging Bull
= Unofficial Vote Count =
Tanzklaue (2) - BRBP, DakeDekaane
DakeDekaane (1) - Tanzklaue
Raging Bull (3) - fartownik, Lilac, Royston
fartownik (1) - Raging Bull
Or you could both be scum and this is a complete and well done charade.
Possibly Lover Role hidden in a mason claim so both of you won't die? Oh, I suppose that could be something. These are all just theories though, don't mind me.
Possibly Lover Role hidden in a mason claim so both of you won't die? Oh, I suppose that could be something. These are all just theories though, don't mind me.
Also, where's Jinxy here?
I feel sorry if he got the short end of the stick again and rolled mafia for Touhou PyP a second time.
I feel sorry if he got the short end of the stick again and rolled mafia for Touhou PyP a second time.
Nah I'm totally an unlynchable bulletproof survivor!!1!Lilac wrote:
Or you could both be scum and this is a complete and well done charade.
Hey, Royston, hold your horses. They can never be 100% sure whether our claims are true, so it's normal they have doubts.
Also JInxy probably waiting for his partners to go online :f
Also JInxy probably waiting for his partners to go online :f
Also damn. I wish I was here when RB comes online/deadline is up... I really need to sleep.
Dake was here quite a while ago.
I doubt it...speculation like this though is very bad and I would know from experience.
I doubt it...speculation like this though is very bad and I would know from experience.
Hi yes he did give me jk role.
Around 5 hours left and you got your answer farto.
The way i see it was fart removing votes for royston and then claiming mason sounds convenient. Why not just cliam mason without unvotes? If scum were to hammer then it would be too obvious
Yeah, and the day later the person who hammered claims that he's done that 'by accident', or some other shitty excuse. Better safe than sorry.
Also I'm sure I want to vote RB. Sorry for that ruckus Lilac, I just had to be sure you're not setting up RB for an easy lynch. Now I know Lilac is not lying, unless he's lying along with RB, which would mean RB is still scum.
Also, even when RB flips scum, Lilac is not confirmed Town. I'd say it's still likely that Lilac gave a role to his buddy and now he's pushing him for the lynch to stabilize his position as Town.
Also I'm sure I want to vote RB. Sorry for that ruckus Lilac, I just had to be sure you're not setting up RB for an easy lynch. Now I know Lilac is not lying, unless he's lying along with RB, which would mean RB is still scum.
Also, even when RB flips scum, Lilac is not confirmed Town. I'd say it's still likely that Lilac gave a role to his buddy and now he's pushing him for the lynch to stabilize his position as Town.
It would be obvious, however... This would end almost horribly for town.Raging Bull wrote:
The way i see it was fart removing votes for royston and then claiming mason sounds convenient. Why not just cliam mason without unvotes? If scum were to hammer then it would be too obvious
If Royston was mason and was hammered my mafia, one townie would die next night and town would have been at a really grim situation. 4:3. Ratio of town to mafia if there are 3 mafia. This would mean we would be in constant LyLo.
I am more than convinced now that RB is mafia.
I understand, farto.
However, if RB flips town, I think everyone is going to be weary about that mason claim you have with Royston, I'm putting that out there now. At least I would be.
However, if RB flips town, I think everyone is going to be weary about that mason claim you have with Royston, I'm putting that out there now. At least I would be.
With that said - I'm heading to the bed to meet Morpheus. When I'm awake, I want to see a nice hammer with a mafia result on RB.
Good night.
Good night.
Well... it's probable, but I don't think RB is Town.Lilac wrote:
I understand, farto.
However, if RB flips town, I think everyone is going to be weary about that mason claim you have with Royston, I'm putting that out there now. At least I would be.
Final words before going to sleep: if you're scum, Lilac, your scumplay is perfect.
I meant 'by mafia' by the way.Lilac wrote:
If Royston was mason and was hammered my mafia,
Let me make a haiku for this.fartownik wrote:
Final words before going to sleep: if you're scum, Lilac, your scumplay is perfect.
Words that hurt me deep.
"Lilac, your scumplay's perfect."
These wounds can not heal.
I'll be away or V/LA on 10th August coming back on 12th of the same month.
Sorry about that guys.
Sorry about that guys.
...Yeah actually, after reading these last few pages I'm thinking RB is scum after all. I'm not sure if my vote is really necessary at this point, but I'm just gonna put it there just in case.
Vote: Raging Bull
I'm going to bed too. Hopefully we'll see a good result tomorrow~
Vote: Raging Bull
I'm going to bed too. Hopefully we'll see a good result tomorrow~
For the record my last post was made 2am and went to sleep.
Voting for a Mason, really? Even if they lied, it would come out eventually because no sane scum would let a Mason team live for long due to their strength. I would be highly suspicious of fart-Royston if they were completely ignored tonight.
As of now, though, I have no reason not to believe them and thus Vote: RB . 1 and a half hours to day's end so I doubt anyone else has anything to say, anyway.
Voting for a Mason, really? Even if they lied, it would come out eventually because no sane scum would let a Mason team live for long due to their strength. I would be highly suspicious of fart-Royston if they were completely ignored tonight.
As of now, though, I have no reason not to believe them and thus Vote: RB . 1 and a half hours to day's end so I doubt anyone else has anything to say, anyway.
Now that I think of it, if RB really was the RB (oh lol how did I not notice that till now), then maybe Tanz could check Dake to see if he's really a Commuter? If there's still no result, then that would confirm him. If there's a result, it'll probably a Gun result.