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Touhou PyP IV (Game over - Mafia wins :>)

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Tanzklaue
1,151 posts
Joined December 2010
Tanzklaue
I am fucking sorry, I passed out and wasn't present for what could've been the finale of the day >.<

that vote switch was terrible, I admit that. I was guided by the heat of the moment instead of logical conclusion. I will steer back now to what I believed to be true before that and what I still believe to be true.

Vote: Dake

feel free to ask me questions or whatever you could need from me.
Lilac
Elite Mapper
1,515 posts
Joined December 2008
Lilac
Calling this now.

I have the intent to hammer Dake or Royston if it comes up to L-1.
fartownik
2,189 posts
Joined December 2008
fartownik
Fine, whatever.

Unvote
Vote: Dake
fartownik
2,189 posts
Joined December 2008
fartownik

Lilac wrote:

Calling this now.

I have the intent to hammer Dake or Royston if it comes up to L-1.
Also how you wanna hammer Dake when you already have a vote on him, lol.
Lilac
Elite Mapper
1,515 posts
Joined December 2008
Lilac
Derp. I actually completely forgot about that.

Thanks farto. I think you understand my point here though.
Kitsunemimi
2,188 posts
Joined April 2009
Kitsunemimi
Man this is the longest day ever.

... >_>
Gosh I'm not sure what to do now.

The problem is that I haven't seen enough of Dake's posts to really make much of him. But what Lilac said about his actions does seem to make sense. And also, I do agree that Dake kind of turned things on Tanz rather quickly.

Unvote
Vote: DakeDekaaaaane
Didn't have much to base my Royston vote on anyways ._. I just hope you guys are right about this.
DakeDekaane
osu! Alumni
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DakeDekaane
Well, that wagon filled up very fast, good luck town.

I should finish reading my books until the hammer comes up.
Lilac
Elite Mapper
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Joined December 2008
Lilac
Unvote.

I did say that I would hammer. Nothing else you want to say? Like a role claim or argument against the lynch?
Royston
187 posts
Joined June 2012
Royston
vote:Dake

God you'd better not be town. But, hell, at this point I can't let this drag on and risk the lynch on myself.
DakeDekaane
osu! Alumni
3,500 posts
Joined February 2012
DakeDekaane
If you guys doesn't want to go for RB or Tanz, then I can't do anything else than wait than my lynch would bring something useful for town.

About the claim, if it's helpful, I'm a quiet Commuter.

mukyuu~
DakeDekaane
osu! Alumni
3,500 posts
Joined February 2012
DakeDekaane
Voting me to save yourself when you only have 2 votes? cool.

We got our 3 scum. Go town, you can win this. Patchouli cheers you~
Royston
187 posts
Joined June 2012
Royston
shit kitsune unvoted me you're right
i still thought i had 3 votes on me

unvote
Lilac
Elite Mapper
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Lilac
Ugh. That role claim.

Lilac. The most indecisive player to have ever played Mafia.
Tanzklaue
1,151 posts
Joined December 2010
Tanzklaue
@dake: how exactly does the commuter translate from your character patchouli? like, why would she be a commuter?
DakeDekaane
osu! Alumni
3,500 posts
Joined February 2012
DakeDekaane
I hide in the library each night, being immune to all night actions.
VoidnOwO
1,256 posts
Joined August 2012
VoidnOwO
:)
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VoidnOwO
1,256 posts
Joined August 2012
VoidnOwO

fartownik wrote:

I've planned to vote you (Tanz) yesterday, but I had RB on the priority first, and no one seems to share my suspicions on him.
Raging Bull
2,809 posts
Joined June 2010
Raging Bull

BRBP wrote:

Raging Bull wrote:

I voted for BRBP because I asked him a question that I believe was important. He stated he believes Jinxy was suspicious and that it was obvious.
I don't even have to look back to be able to say you misunderstood it :roll:

Raging Bull wrote:

All he did was shoot someone and leave.
Didn't

Yeah nevermind, I was gonna reply all then I realize you said you only saw who was going to vote you because of that. Fuck you :(
fartownik
2,189 posts
Joined December 2008
fartownik
Yes, exactly.

Also that claim from Dake is a real shitty one. Commuter is a very convenient one if you want to fakeclaim, and he possibly just did.
fartownik
2,189 posts
Joined December 2008
fartownik
^ first part was directed to BRBP.
Jinxy
2,777 posts
Joined February 2009
Jinxy

BRBP wrote:

fartownik wrote:

I've planned to vote you yesterday, but I had RB on the priority first, and no one seems to share my suspicions on him.
So now you decided to go to your third suspect...? Without anything new brought to the Dake's case, you just simply decided to vote with no explanation at all?

fartownik wrote:

Yes, exactly.
I assume you're replying to this part of BRBP's post. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Why do you have no explanation for something like that? Hell, you've been acting more and more scummy since around yesterday. You jumped to voting Tanz, giving an excuse of more reaction test crap when called out contradicting your reads, and then switch over to Dake, outright saying you have no explanation, or I assume, a secret explanation for more "reaction tests". Such secretive shit rarely helps town and is more likely a scum's excuse.
____________________________________

RE: Dake's claim

Well, the flavour certainly fits, since the flavour location of this game is exactly where Patche lives / has her library in, and Patche's general characterization fits an "avoiding" style role. She was used as a Hider in another TH PYP iirc? Nevertheless, it might be a convenient fakeclaim as suggested by fart, though I'm certainly believing it more than fart, for the above reasons.
Kitsunemimi
2,188 posts
Joined April 2009
Kitsunemimi

Royston wrote:

What can I say indeed? You made a good, well reasoned post. If not for the fact that I know I'm town, I'd agree with you.
So you make no active effort to convince me to take my vote off of you, in fact you imply that my vote is agreeable on.

Royston wrote:

vote:Dake

God you'd better not be town. But, hell, at this point I can't let this drag on and risk the lynch on myself.
But the moment you get another vote, you instantly bail out and smack a vote on someone else so they get lynched instead of you?
Also, "God you'd better not be town." sounds to me once again like you know who's town and who's not, but you're pretending like you don't know/trying to make it look like you don't.

Perhaps I should switch my vote back over to you, Royston.
Royston
187 posts
Joined June 2012
Royston
of course I'm gonna smack a vote on someone else, I'm not gonna let myself get lynched for fun. I stupidly thought I had 3 votes on me & with lilac threatening to hammer I acted.

it's simple. Am I scum? No. Is Dake? Hell if I know. I'm leaning towards not after his claim, though I can't say I know shit about Touhou to say whether it makes sense or not, whatever. The point is, I'm not gonna twiddle my thumbs and wait to die. which almost happened before the extension.

the only situation I understand where someone would -want- to get lynched is a) Jester or b) vengeful mafia, and trust me I'm neither
VoidnOwO
1,256 posts
Joined August 2012
VoidnOwO

Royston wrote:

of course I'm gonna smack a vote on someone else, I'm not gonna let myself get lynched for fun.

it's simple. Am I scum? No. Is person X? Hell if I know.
High five
Royston
187 posts
Joined June 2012
Royston

BRBP wrote:

High five
oh yeah baby
Kitsunemimi
2,188 posts
Joined April 2009
Kitsunemimi

Royston wrote:

of course I'm gonna smack a vote on someone else, I'm not gonna let myself get lynched for fun. I stupidly thought I had 3 votes on me & with lilac threatening to hammer I acted.

it's simple. Am I scum? No. Is Dake? Hell if I know. I'm leaning towards not after his claim, though I can't say I know shit about Touhou to say whether it makes sense or not, whatever. The point is, I'm not gonna twiddle my thumbs and wait to die. which almost happened before the extension.

the only situation I understand where someone would -want- to get lynched is a) Jester or b) vengeful mafia, and trust me I'm neither
The fact is, you let me put a vote on you without any retaliation from your part. Meaning you were actively allowing me to increase the odds/risk of you getting lynched. Not only does this contradict the argument you present to me now, but the fact is, as town, risking your own death is not town-motivated behaviour. The only excuse for behaving this way, aside from being jester or vengeful, is if you're mafia and you can't come up with a reasonable argument to counter my vote on you.

Not only that, but you soon after vote DD solely so that you won't get lynched. You can say that "oh yeah i'm town and he might not be" and therefore make it a town-motivated action, but it's extremely easy for any scum to just do this sort of thing and use that as a weak excuse. Hell, if you're expecting me to believe that, then everyone in this game may as damn well be town. You're just putting increased risk on someone else who you don't even know whether they are scum or not (I haven't seen any thoughts from you on DD), and therefore an unjustified vote is a scum-motivated one.

You know what, my Dake vote wasn't all that justified anyways. Let me change that back.
Unvote
Vote: Royston
fartownik
2,189 posts
Joined December 2008
fartownik
I want to claim my role, but I need everyone to unvote before doing it.
fartownik
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Joined December 2008
fartownik
Unvote
Kitsunemimi
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Joined April 2009
Kitsunemimi
Wait, what?
fartownik
2,189 posts
Joined December 2008
fartownik
You can always put your vote back if my claim doesn't change anything in your point of view.

I need everyone to unvote, then I claim and then you can put your vote back if you want. I don't see why anyone wouldn't do it.
Kitsunemimi
2,188 posts
Joined April 2009
Kitsunemimi
Yeah but why are you claiming now of all times? :<
fartownik
2,189 posts
Joined December 2008
fartownik
Because I find it necessary/useful.
Tanzklaue
1,151 posts
Joined December 2010
Tanzklaue
why now of all times? and why would we need to unvote?
VoidnOwO
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VoidnOwO
No, until you explain why.

:oops:
fartownik
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fartownik
Jesus, how is that fucking harmful to just unvote? The day is not gonna end soon, you don't risk anything and I'm not asking for much.
Jinxy
2,777 posts
Joined February 2009
Jinxy
I don't see why you require unvotes to claim. If your claim is really strong enough to change out points of view, then we'll move our vote. I don't see any difference of this and unvoting and revoting, unless you have some sort of ulterior motive that relies on a lack of votes.
fartownik
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fartownik
I tell you there's a difference. At least move the votes so they're not at L-2.
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue
doublevoter maybe?
Kitsunemimi
2,188 posts
Joined April 2009
Kitsunemimi
Unvote
;w;

inb4 he's just trolling mod
VoidnOwO
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VoidnOwO
:)
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Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue
for BRBP, there is no such thing as changing situations. they would be uncomfortable to deal with anyway, right?

Unvote
fartownik
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fartownik

BRBP wrote:

You could've claimed on the beginning of the day when nobody's voting.

So, no.
It wasn't necessary back then, god why are you such a log.
Jinxy
2,777 posts
Joined February 2009
Jinxy

fartownik wrote:

I tell you there's a difference. At least move the votes so they're not at L-2.
This is as far as I'll agree with. Insures against a possible Doublevoter, and also whatever might happen in a 0-vote situation.


Current votecount if I calculated correctly:

Royston (2) - Jinxy, Raging Bull
Tanzklaue (2) - BRBP, DakeDekaane
Well?
VoidnOwO
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VoidnOwO
:)
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Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue

BRBP wrote:

fartownik wrote:

It wasn't necessary back then, god why are you such a log.
Probably because I don't trust you, and nothing guarantees your ability won't something harmful. Hey, I'm just playing the game.
you don't seem to trust anyone except the people everyone has scumreads on.
fartownik
2,189 posts
Joined December 2008
fartownik
Claim: Mason

I'm Komeiji Satori, Mason along with Royston, Komeiji Koishi.

I didn't want any quickhammer on Royston from potential scum, that's why I wanted everyone to unvote.
fartownik
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fartownik
Btw. JInxy - you're scum or your reads are horrible. You voted every confirmed Town so far (yes, bringing this argument again).
VoidnOwO
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VoidnOwO
Or the people being read don't know what they're doing and give false positives on his scum detector.
Jinxy
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Jinxy
Unvote

And I'm going to reply in the exact same way as before. Besides, I did call you out on providing excuses for Royston and defending him hard, something clearly scummy if you two weren't Masons.
Kitsunemimi
2,188 posts
Joined April 2009
Kitsunemimi
Eeeyyy, more people claimed.

So then... what now?
fartownik
2,189 posts
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fartownik
So, the only ones that didn't claim are RB, JInxy and Lilac. If Tanz is telling the truth - one of them is a Mafia Roleblocker.
Tanzklaue
1,151 posts
Joined December 2010
Tanzklaue
dake could be a mafia roleblocker aswell. his claim is convenient, and I believe that there are enough people who could prepare good fakeclaims.
fartownik
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fartownik

Tanzklaue wrote:

dake could be a mafia roleblocker aswell. his claim is convenient, and I believe that there are enough people who could prepare good fakeclaims.
This is actually possible, and possibly a plan of his.

If we thought not to lynch Dake, we would possibly decide for one person to target him during the night, seeing whether his ability is blocked. He could simply roleblock that person and his claim would be kinda-confirmed.
Jinxy
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Jinxy
True. Though, what if we got more people to check? He can't possibly roleblock them all, then.
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue

Jinxy wrote:

True. Though, what if we got more people to check? He can't possibly roleblock them all, then.
we have, if all the other claims are true, only one active ability that could do that, and that's me.

and I will most likely not see day 3 alive. so it lies upon RB, lilac and you.
fartownik
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fartownik
If we wish to set up a confirmation for his claim we would need 3 confirmed Town players with night roles. We have only 1 leaning Town because of the role, rest is unknown. The results would be pure WIFOM anyways, this is not a good idea.
fartownik
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fartownik
@Tanz: it's most likely that it's me who's gonna die, or Royston, as we're confirmed Town right now. If there's a protective role - I wish it targets one of us at random.
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue

fartownik wrote:

@Tanz: it's most likely that it's me who's gonna die, or Royston, as we're confirmed Town right now. If there's a protective role - I wish it targets one of us at random.
you're not 100% either ;)

I would've liked to confirm you and royston in the case of a case, but you're actually right.
if we would get the roleblocker though, thzat would make me the most likely target, as I would be able to confirm other townies (and would be almost confirmed myself actually).
fartownik
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fartownik
Also the remaining unclaimed players - don't claim please. If there's a protective role among you it will be really useful tonight, and if scum knows who it is they can block it. Protect me or Royston at random, Tanz is still most likely to be roleblocked (if Town). Also if one of me or Royston die, it's (again) high likely one of the unclaimed is scum, or even two as they are not afraid of the potential Doctor, means they know there's none as they're scum themselves.
fartownik
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fartownik
Also my reads. I've done it with percentages, the closer to 100% the more likely the person is to be scum.

DakeDekaane 80%
Lilac 40% (possible scum with Kitsunemimi)
Raging Bull 70%
Tanzklaue 50%
Jinxy 70%
Kitsunemimi 40% (possible scum with Lilac)
Royston 0%
BRBP 10%
fartownik 0%

Nice and shiny.
Lilac
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Lilac
farto, if what you're saying is true then I think we might want to get rid of RB because...

Yeah, I didn't really do the best thing last night if he is scum.
fartownik
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fartownik
Obligatory "what did you do Lilac?"
Lilac
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Lilac
Let's say if he's the roleblocker...

...he's more than likely gonna get more than one roleblock tonight.
fartownik
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fartownik
So your role doubles the amount of actions of the person you target?
Lilac
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Lilac
Hey, you told me not to role claim and I ain't going to.

Also, that's not really how my role works, this is just the worst case scenario.
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue
well, I will go to bed in a few minutes and probably pass out imediately and I may not make it back for the deadline.

so if there is something you need me for, say it now.
Lilac
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Lilac
Vote: RB.

That's my paranoia voting. Will give a more detailed reason after I get out of my bed.
Lilac
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Lilac
Also. Vote for who you think is mafia, Tanz. If you have then that's the best thing you can do.
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue
then i shall do just that.

Vote: DakeDekaane

and with that I'm off to bed. good night folks.
fartownik
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fartownik

Lilac wrote:

Hey, you told me not to role claim and I ain't going to.

Also, that's not really how my role works, this is just the worst case scenario.
You already said partially what your role does, and you're not a Doctor for sure. I wanted you not to claim so scum doesn't know whether there's a Doctor or not, and you already buried that possibility for yourself.
Lilac
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Lilac
There a few other people who haven't claimed so who knows?

I will say if RB is scum then this night will turn out really bad. And I really mean that.
fartownik
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fartownik
Only RB and JInxy didn't claim, and they're potentially both scum.
Lilac
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Lilac
Do I need to say anything more to convince you to lynch RB?
fartownik
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fartownik
Not really, RB was my top suspect anyways.

Vote: RB
DakeDekaane
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DakeDekaane
May I know why my name is in an intense red color in your list fart? Is it because my role?
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
Okay so I cannot claim because of fart, then I'm told I'm scum because I didn't claim. I just don't know why the hell do you keep hopping around so much. Looks as though you are so uncertain of your voting at all times. I can't tell if you're doing this purposely just to scum paint me more and more.


Vote:fartownik
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
Also why did you even target me at night if you thought I was scum Lilac?
Lilac
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Lilac
Cause you were the first person to argue against me.

Also, that's pretty bold to go and vote for a claimed Mason.

Ugh. I dunno, I think this is really getting out of hand for me.
fartownik
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fartownik
Wow, RB, do you even read? Do you really vote me when I already claimed Mason? That's scummy as hell.

Also I'm not voting you because you didn't claim, you misunderstood that post. I'm voting you because I suspect you, that post was only informative, directed to Lilac.
fartownik
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fartownik
After a while of thinking, I want Lilac to claim his role as well. Please do it.
Kitsunemimi
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Kitsunemimi
Isn't it already pretty obvious what Lilac is based on what he described earlier?

Also, orz all my reads are wrong now ._.
Should I just vote RB? I don't really want really bad things happening tonight...
fartownik
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fartownik

Kitsunemimi wrote:

Isn't it already pretty obvious what Lilac is based on what he described earlier?

Also, orz all my reads are wrong now ._.
Should I just vote RB? I don't really want really bad things happening tonight...
Go on and tell me, not obvious for me.
Kitsunemimi
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Kitsunemimi
I'm gonna wait until Lilac comes to tell us himself.
fartownik
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fartownik
What's your guess? We'll wait a while for Lilac, seems you figured it out.
Lilac
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Lilac
Really?

Ugh, fine. I'm an inventor, Nitori Kawashiro. Breadcrumbs were "You're gonna waste it." to RB since I gave him jailkeep, a cosplay (which is actually really bad looking and a bit too small on me.) and the 'jealousy vote' before the game started to Tanz.

You happy now? Not sure what that will achieve though. I'm lost as all hell.
fartownik
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fartownik
RB: Did you get any notification that you have been given the said role?
fartownik
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fartownik
Also Lilac, so you gave RB a Jailkeeper ability because he was the first one to argue with you? How does that make sense?
Lilac
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Lilac
No one else at the time was trustworthy to give it to, in my opinion. Sakura would definitely be gone at N1 and it's takes the next night to use it. Rantai was a SK in my eyes, BRBP and Royston would have more than likely wasted it with not enough experience, farto and Jinx was mafia in my eyes since that battle between you could be determined either way, I didn't trust Tanz enough with the gunsmith claim and Kanye was inactive as hell. Mimi I decided to wait on to see.

RB was the only one who had the guts to actually go against what I had to say about BRBP, Mimi and Tanz but now that I think about it his reasoning in the end wasn't actually strong enough to have warrant a townread. I guess that was a lapse in my judgement.
fartownik
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fartownik
Yep, it totally was. If you have given the ability to BRBP he would be safe because scum would think he's Vanilla, while he would actually be a Jailkeeper. They most likely wouldn't kill him until the very end of the game. Yet you decided to lend the ability to a null read.
Lilac
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Lilac
Well I'm completely sorry about that.

Want me to try and fix that with this lynch and my next night action or...do you want to continue about how bad of a decision I made and keep mulling over the past now?
fartownik
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fartownik
I'm actually waiting for RB right now.
Royston
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Royston

fartownik wrote:

Claim: Mason

I'm Komeiji Satori, Mason along with Royston, Komeiji Koishi.
Confirming this, in case anyone was wondering.

Raging Bull wrote:

Okay so I cannot claim because of fart, then I'm told I'm scum because I didn't claim. I just don't know why the hell do you keep hopping around so much. Looks as though you are so uncertain of your voting at all times. I can't tell if you're doing this purposely just to scum paint me more and more.


Vote:fartownik
I... I don't know what to say. I really don't. Did you miss the mason claim? No? Maybe?

And you were voting for me before, right? If you actually think fartownik is scum, then why bother changing your vote? I mean, he pretty much just confirmed us both as town, and if you think he's scum, then naturally he's lying about me being town too, right? Unless you think he's scum and I'm town, and if he claimed masonship with me, I think I'd have something to say about that. If you were town, then what you're doing is entirely illogical.


vote:Raging Bull



= Unofficial Vote Count =

Tanzklaue (2) - BRBP, DakeDekaane
DakeDekaane (1) - Tanzklaue
Raging Bull (3) - fartownik, Lilac, Royston
fartownik (1) - Raging Bull
Lilac
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Lilac
Or you could both be scum and this is a complete and well done charade.

Possibly Lover Role hidden in a mason claim so both of you won't die? Oh, I suppose that could be something. These are all just theories though, don't mind me.
Lilac
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Lilac
Also, where's Jinxy here?

I feel sorry if he got the short end of the stick again and rolled mafia for Touhou PyP a second time.
Royston
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Royston

Lilac wrote:

Or you could both be scum and this is a complete and well done charade.
Nah I'm totally an unlynchable bulletproof survivor!!1!
fartownik
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fartownik
Hey, Royston, hold your horses. They can never be 100% sure whether our claims are true, so it's normal they have doubts.

Also JInxy probably waiting for his partners to go online :f
fartownik
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fartownik
Also damn. I wish I was here when RB comes online/deadline is up... I really need to sleep.
Lilac
Elite Mapper
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Joined December 2008
Lilac
Dake was here quite a while ago.

I doubt it...speculation like this though is very bad and I would know from experience.
Raging Bull
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Joined June 2010
Raging Bull
Hi yes he did give me jk role.
Lilac
Elite Mapper
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Joined December 2008
Lilac
Around 5 hours left and you got your answer farto.
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