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Jinxy
I don't see why you require unvotes to claim. If your claim is really strong enough to change out points of view, then we'll move our vote. I don't see any difference of this and unvoting and revoting, unless you have some sort of ulterior motive that relies on a lack of votes.
fartownik
I tell you there's a difference. At least move the votes so they're not at L-2.
Tanzklaue
doublevoter maybe?
Kitsunemimi
Unvote
;w;

inb4 he's just trolling mod
VoidnOwO
:)
Tanzklaue
for BRBP, there is no such thing as changing situations. they would be uncomfortable to deal with anyway, right?

Unvote
fartownik

BRBP wrote:

You could've claimed on the beginning of the day when nobody's voting.

So, no.
It wasn't necessary back then, god why are you such a log.
Jinxy

fartownik wrote:

I tell you there's a difference. At least move the votes so they're not at L-2.
This is as far as I'll agree with. Insures against a possible Doublevoter, and also whatever might happen in a 0-vote situation.


Current votecount if I calculated correctly:

Royston (2) - Jinxy, Raging Bull
Tanzklaue (2) - BRBP, DakeDekaane
Well?
VoidnOwO
:)
Tanzklaue

BRBP wrote:

fartownik wrote:

It wasn't necessary back then, god why are you such a log.
Probably because I don't trust you, and nothing guarantees your ability won't something harmful. Hey, I'm just playing the game.
you don't seem to trust anyone except the people everyone has scumreads on.
fartownik
Claim: Mason

I'm Komeiji Satori, Mason along with Royston, Komeiji Koishi.

I didn't want any quickhammer on Royston from potential scum, that's why I wanted everyone to unvote.
fartownik
Btw. JInxy - you're scum or your reads are horrible. You voted every confirmed Town so far (yes, bringing this argument again).
VoidnOwO
Or the people being read don't know what they're doing and give false positives on his scum detector.
Jinxy
Unvote

And I'm going to reply in the exact same way as before. Besides, I did call you out on providing excuses for Royston and defending him hard, something clearly scummy if you two weren't Masons.
Kitsunemimi
Eeeyyy, more people claimed.

So then... what now?
fartownik
So, the only ones that didn't claim are RB, JInxy and Lilac. If Tanz is telling the truth - one of them is a Mafia Roleblocker.
Tanzklaue
dake could be a mafia roleblocker aswell. his claim is convenient, and I believe that there are enough people who could prepare good fakeclaims.
fartownik

Tanzklaue wrote:

dake could be a mafia roleblocker aswell. his claim is convenient, and I believe that there are enough people who could prepare good fakeclaims.
This is actually possible, and possibly a plan of his.

If we thought not to lynch Dake, we would possibly decide for one person to target him during the night, seeing whether his ability is blocked. He could simply roleblock that person and his claim would be kinda-confirmed.
Jinxy
True. Though, what if we got more people to check? He can't possibly roleblock them all, then.
Tanzklaue

Jinxy wrote:

True. Though, what if we got more people to check? He can't possibly roleblock them all, then.
we have, if all the other claims are true, only one active ability that could do that, and that's me.

and I will most likely not see day 3 alive. so it lies upon RB, lilac and you.
fartownik
If we wish to set up a confirmation for his claim we would need 3 confirmed Town players with night roles. We have only 1 leaning Town because of the role, rest is unknown. The results would be pure WIFOM anyways, this is not a good idea.
fartownik
@Tanz: it's most likely that it's me who's gonna die, or Royston, as we're confirmed Town right now. If there's a protective role - I wish it targets one of us at random.
Tanzklaue

fartownik wrote:

@Tanz: it's most likely that it's me who's gonna die, or Royston, as we're confirmed Town right now. If there's a protective role - I wish it targets one of us at random.
you're not 100% either ;)

I would've liked to confirm you and royston in the case of a case, but you're actually right.
if we would get the roleblocker though, thzat would make me the most likely target, as I would be able to confirm other townies (and would be almost confirmed myself actually).
fartownik
Also the remaining unclaimed players - don't claim please. If there's a protective role among you it will be really useful tonight, and if scum knows who it is they can block it. Protect me or Royston at random, Tanz is still most likely to be roleblocked (if Town). Also if one of me or Royston die, it's (again) high likely one of the unclaimed is scum, or even two as they are not afraid of the potential Doctor, means they know there's none as they're scum themselves.
fartownik
Also my reads. I've done it with percentages, the closer to 100% the more likely the person is to be scum.

DakeDekaane 80%
Lilac 40% (possible scum with Kitsunemimi)
Raging Bull 70%
Tanzklaue 50%
Jinxy 70%
Kitsunemimi 40% (possible scum with Lilac)
Royston 0%
BRBP 10%
fartownik 0%

Nice and shiny.
Lilac
farto, if what you're saying is true then I think we might want to get rid of RB because...

Yeah, I didn't really do the best thing last night if he is scum.
fartownik
Obligatory "what did you do Lilac?"
Lilac
Let's say if he's the roleblocker...

...he's more than likely gonna get more than one roleblock tonight.
fartownik
So your role doubles the amount of actions of the person you target?
Lilac
Hey, you told me not to role claim and I ain't going to.

Also, that's not really how my role works, this is just the worst case scenario.
Tanzklaue
well, I will go to bed in a few minutes and probably pass out imediately and I may not make it back for the deadline.

so if there is something you need me for, say it now.
Lilac
Vote: RB.

That's my paranoia voting. Will give a more detailed reason after I get out of my bed.
Lilac
Also. Vote for who you think is mafia, Tanz. If you have then that's the best thing you can do.
Tanzklaue
then i shall do just that.

Vote: DakeDekaane

and with that I'm off to bed. good night folks.
fartownik

Lilac wrote:

Hey, you told me not to role claim and I ain't going to.

Also, that's not really how my role works, this is just the worst case scenario.
You already said partially what your role does, and you're not a Doctor for sure. I wanted you not to claim so scum doesn't know whether there's a Doctor or not, and you already buried that possibility for yourself.
Lilac
There a few other people who haven't claimed so who knows?

I will say if RB is scum then this night will turn out really bad. And I really mean that.
fartownik
Only RB and JInxy didn't claim, and they're potentially both scum.
Lilac
Do I need to say anything more to convince you to lynch RB?
fartownik
Not really, RB was my top suspect anyways.

Vote: RB
DakeDekaane
May I know why my name is in an intense red color in your list fart? Is it because my role?
Raging Bull
Okay so I cannot claim because of fart, then I'm told I'm scum because I didn't claim. I just don't know why the hell do you keep hopping around so much. Looks as though you are so uncertain of your voting at all times. I can't tell if you're doing this purposely just to scum paint me more and more.


Vote:fartownik
Raging Bull
Also why did you even target me at night if you thought I was scum Lilac?
Lilac
Cause you were the first person to argue against me.

Also, that's pretty bold to go and vote for a claimed Mason.

Ugh. I dunno, I think this is really getting out of hand for me.
fartownik
Wow, RB, do you even read? Do you really vote me when I already claimed Mason? That's scummy as hell.

Also I'm not voting you because you didn't claim, you misunderstood that post. I'm voting you because I suspect you, that post was only informative, directed to Lilac.
fartownik
After a while of thinking, I want Lilac to claim his role as well. Please do it.
Kitsunemimi
Isn't it already pretty obvious what Lilac is based on what he described earlier?

Also, orz all my reads are wrong now ._.
Should I just vote RB? I don't really want really bad things happening tonight...
fartownik

Kitsunemimi wrote:

Isn't it already pretty obvious what Lilac is based on what he described earlier?

Also, orz all my reads are wrong now ._.
Should I just vote RB? I don't really want really bad things happening tonight...
Go on and tell me, not obvious for me.
Kitsunemimi
I'm gonna wait until Lilac comes to tell us himself.
fartownik
What's your guess? We'll wait a while for Lilac, seems you figured it out.
Lilac
Really?

Ugh, fine. I'm an inventor, Nitori Kawashiro. Breadcrumbs were "You're gonna waste it." to RB since I gave him jailkeep, a cosplay (which is actually really bad looking and a bit too small on me.) and the 'jealousy vote' before the game started to Tanz.

You happy now? Not sure what that will achieve though. I'm lost as all hell.
fartownik
RB: Did you get any notification that you have been given the said role?
fartownik
Also Lilac, so you gave RB a Jailkeeper ability because he was the first one to argue with you? How does that make sense?
Lilac
No one else at the time was trustworthy to give it to, in my opinion. Sakura would definitely be gone at N1 and it's takes the next night to use it. Rantai was a SK in my eyes, BRBP and Royston would have more than likely wasted it with not enough experience, farto and Jinx was mafia in my eyes since that battle between you could be determined either way, I didn't trust Tanz enough with the gunsmith claim and Kanye was inactive as hell. Mimi I decided to wait on to see.

RB was the only one who had the guts to actually go against what I had to say about BRBP, Mimi and Tanz but now that I think about it his reasoning in the end wasn't actually strong enough to have warrant a townread. I guess that was a lapse in my judgement.
fartownik
Yep, it totally was. If you have given the ability to BRBP he would be safe because scum would think he's Vanilla, while he would actually be a Jailkeeper. They most likely wouldn't kill him until the very end of the game. Yet you decided to lend the ability to a null read.
Lilac
Well I'm completely sorry about that.

Want me to try and fix that with this lynch and my next night action or...do you want to continue about how bad of a decision I made and keep mulling over the past now?
fartownik
I'm actually waiting for RB right now.
Royston

fartownik wrote:

Claim: Mason

I'm Komeiji Satori, Mason along with Royston, Komeiji Koishi.
Confirming this, in case anyone was wondering.

Raging Bull wrote:

Okay so I cannot claim because of fart, then I'm told I'm scum because I didn't claim. I just don't know why the hell do you keep hopping around so much. Looks as though you are so uncertain of your voting at all times. I can't tell if you're doing this purposely just to scum paint me more and more.


Vote:fartownik
I... I don't know what to say. I really don't. Did you miss the mason claim? No? Maybe?

And you were voting for me before, right? If you actually think fartownik is scum, then why bother changing your vote? I mean, he pretty much just confirmed us both as town, and if you think he's scum, then naturally he's lying about me being town too, right? Unless you think he's scum and I'm town, and if he claimed masonship with me, I think I'd have something to say about that. If you were town, then what you're doing is entirely illogical.


vote:Raging Bull



= Unofficial Vote Count =

Tanzklaue (2) - BRBP, DakeDekaane
DakeDekaane (1) - Tanzklaue
Raging Bull (3) - fartownik, Lilac, Royston
fartownik (1) - Raging Bull
Lilac
Or you could both be scum and this is a complete and well done charade.

Possibly Lover Role hidden in a mason claim so both of you won't die? Oh, I suppose that could be something. These are all just theories though, don't mind me.
Lilac
Also, where's Jinxy here?

I feel sorry if he got the short end of the stick again and rolled mafia for Touhou PyP a second time.
Royston

Lilac wrote:

Or you could both be scum and this is a complete and well done charade.
Nah I'm totally an unlynchable bulletproof survivor!!1!
fartownik
Hey, Royston, hold your horses. They can never be 100% sure whether our claims are true, so it's normal they have doubts.

Also JInxy probably waiting for his partners to go online :f
fartownik
Also damn. I wish I was here when RB comes online/deadline is up... I really need to sleep.
Lilac
Dake was here quite a while ago.

I doubt it...speculation like this though is very bad and I would know from experience.
Raging Bull
Hi yes he did give me jk role.
Lilac
Around 5 hours left and you got your answer farto.
Raging Bull
The way i see it was fart removing votes for royston and then claiming mason sounds convenient. Why not just cliam mason without unvotes? If scum were to hammer then it would be too obvious
fartownik
Yeah, and the day later the person who hammered claims that he's done that 'by accident', or some other shitty excuse. Better safe than sorry.

Also I'm sure I want to vote RB. Sorry for that ruckus Lilac, I just had to be sure you're not setting up RB for an easy lynch. Now I know Lilac is not lying, unless he's lying along with RB, which would mean RB is still scum.

Also, even when RB flips scum, Lilac is not confirmed Town. I'd say it's still likely that Lilac gave a role to his buddy and now he's pushing him for the lynch to stabilize his position as Town.
Lilac

Raging Bull wrote:

The way i see it was fart removing votes for royston and then claiming mason sounds convenient. Why not just cliam mason without unvotes? If scum were to hammer then it would be too obvious
It would be obvious, however... This would end almost horribly for town.

If Royston was mason and was hammered my mafia, one townie would die next night and town would have been at a really grim situation. 4:3. Ratio of town to mafia if there are 3 mafia. This would mean we would be in constant LyLo.

I am more than convinced now that RB is mafia.
Lilac
I understand, farto.

However, if RB flips town, I think everyone is going to be weary about that mason claim you have with Royston, I'm putting that out there now. At least I would be.
fartownik
With that said - I'm heading to the bed to meet Morpheus. When I'm awake, I want to see a nice hammer with a mafia result on RB.

Good night.
fartownik

Lilac wrote:

I understand, farto.

However, if RB flips town, I think everyone is going to be weary about that mason claim you have with Royston, I'm putting that out there now. At least I would be.
Well... it's probable, but I don't think RB is Town.
fartownik
Final words before going to sleep: if you're scum, Lilac, your scumplay is perfect.
Lilac

Lilac wrote:

If Royston was mason and was hammered my mafia,
I meant 'by mafia' by the way.
Lilac

fartownik wrote:

Final words before going to sleep: if you're scum, Lilac, your scumplay is perfect.
Let me make a haiku for this.

Words that hurt me deep.
"Lilac, your scumplay's perfect."
These wounds can not heal.
Lilac
I'll be away or V/LA on 10th August coming back on 12th of the same month.

Sorry about that guys.
Kitsunemimi
...Yeah actually, after reading these last few pages I'm thinking RB is scum after all. I'm not sure if my vote is really necessary at this point, but I'm just gonna put it there just in case.
Vote: Raging Bull

I'm going to bed too. Hopefully we'll see a good result tomorrow~
Jinxy
For the record my last post was made 2am and went to sleep.

Voting for a Mason, really? Even if they lied, it would come out eventually because no sane scum would let a Mason team live for long due to their strength. I would be highly suspicious of fart-Royston if they were completely ignored tonight.

As of now, though, I have no reason not to believe them and thus Vote: RB . 1 and a half hours to day's end so I doubt anyone else has anything to say, anyway.
Jinxy
Now that I think of it, if RB really was the RB (oh lol how did I not notice that till now), then maybe Tanz could check Dake to see if he's really a Commuter? If there's still no result, then that would confirm him. If there's a result, it'll probably a Gun result.
Tanzklaue

Jinxy wrote:

Now that I think of it, if RB really was the RB (oh lol how did I not notice that till now), then maybe Tanz could check Dake to see if he's really a Commuter? If there's still no result, then that would confirm him. If there's a result, it'll probably a Gun result.
day technically ended, but yea, I will do that, since it makes sense.
Jinxy
Usually the period of time after a hammer and before a mod post is "Twilight", where players can speak but the lynch is finalized, unless there's some role that can change it like Governor or something
fartownik
If RB flips Roleblocker (he will flip Jailkeeper, but he had to be something else in the first place) - do it. If not - do something at random.
Kitsunemimi
Hi guys~ :3
Royston
Hey. 8-)
fartownik
Kitsunemimi
Where's pieguy ;~;
Jinxy

Sakura wrote:

Making pies obviously *runs*
Tanzklaue

Jinxy wrote:

Sakura wrote:

Making pies obviously *runs*
I confess that I only recently started to pronounce the "pie" in pieguy's name like the word "pie" instead of my silly german pronounciation :c
Topic Starter
pieguyn
sorry for late, overslept
back home now so deadlines should be normal again :3

RB (5) - Lilac, fartownik, Royston, Kitsunemimi, Jinxy
Tanzklaue (2) - BRBP, DakeDekaane
DakeDekaane (1) - Tanzklaue
fartownik (1) - RB

You're a baka, thus you must die!
i-i-eye didn't do it! Cirno doesn't know enough about life and death to comprehend what's going on here...
Tell me everything that happened after you arrived.
you're so pushy. I won't tell anything ~
aahhh..Please tell me everything that happened after you arrived.
some people told me to join them and good things would happe- AA~
before she finished, someone had grabbed her and disappeared before anyone knew who it was. It seems she was too much of an idiot to be left alive..

Raging Bull (Cirno) - Mafia Roleblocker - lynched D2

it is N2. deadline is 8/9, 9:00 GMT (16:05 from now)
all deadlines should be normal after this cause I've returned home now. if I miss it again, slap me plz
Kitsunemimi
@mod: slap
>:I
fartownik
pieguy for the most punctual host 2013.
Topic Starter
pieguyn
oh wtf did I really set that deadline
sorry, I meant 8/10 9:00 GMT (11:34 from now). my miss again.. being tired really causes weird stuff to happen > <
fartownik
So the night is not 24h? ;o
Topic Starter
pieguyn
a 16 hour night seems a bit short, and I prefer all deadlines to be at 2:00 my local time cause I know I'll be awake then @_@
Raging Bull

pieguy1372 wrote:

You're a baka, thus you must die!
i-i-eye didn't do it! Cirno doesn't know enough about life and death to comprehend what's going on here...
Topic Starter
pieguyn
everyone woke up again, but they immediately noticed something was wrong. For some reason, they felt a lot less fearful than before. Then they realized why: Komeiji Satori was missing. They looked in her room and she wasn't there either. Eventually, with Sakuya's help, they found a closet that they had mysteriously walked past before. Sure enough, Satori was there, and it looked like she had been shot. they weren't sure whether to feel relief, since she could no longer read their minds, or even more fear than before.

fartownik (Komeiji Satori) - Sibling - killed N2

they decided to do a head count just to be safe and they found out another person was missing. they couldn't quite remember who she was, what she looked like, or what she said, but something still didn't seem right..

Royston (Komeiji Koishi) - Sibling - disappeared? N2

so two people died again? fufufu~ this is certainly getting interesting-
wait, so the second person is really dead?
well, we found someone that looked like here wandering around the mansion the other night, so I decided to have some fun ~ she's not dead, but good luck finding her, if she's awake by now..

It is D3. With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Deadline is 8/14, 9:00 GMT (95:53 from now)
Tanzklaue
okay, guys listen up:

we either have to do with lovers (but they would've told us that they are lovers, right...?) or double kill mafia. the term "sibling" makes me hope that it is lovers-like role. if they aren't, in fact, lovers, then we aren't just in MyLo, but already in LyLo. but I believe it is lovers, because of the kill describtion and the fact that N1 had a PGo kill instead of a second mafiakill (at least I hope that it was a PGO kill).

I also got no result on Dake, which means his claim is true (except if there are any other shenanigans with roleblocking or a hider).that means he is most likely town. that leaves us with BRBP, kitsune, lilac, and jinxy.

BRBP: please, start playing like a townie if you are one. it would really help us if you stopped being a doorknob and started cooperating with us.

Dake: I am sorry for leading charges against you, in this situation, who are your leads?

Lilac: who did you use your ability on?


my two leads here are Lilac and Jinxy. how likely are scum PGOs btw?
Royston
go town!
Jinxy

Wiki wrote:

Sibling is sometimes used to refer to Lovers who are guaranteed to be of the same alignment. Lovers are to Siblings what Neighbors are to Masons.
With that, I'm believe that we're in MyLo right now, so Vote: No Lynch.

Any more discussion today helps scum choose their target better tonight so personally I would wait till tomorrow for any Q&A.
Tanzklaue
I would view it as the opposite. ending the day early is the worst thing we can do.

it's quite clear that scum will shoot me, because all the other targets are either unkillable (kitsune, dake) or meaningless (BRBP).

there is no way that cutting the discussion short helps town. ever.
Kitsunemimi

Tanzklaue wrote:

I also got no result on Dake, which means his claim is true (except if there are any other shenanigans with roleblocking or a hider).that means he is most likely town. that leaves us with BRBP, kitsune, lilac, and jinxy.
There's a small possibility that he's a Mafia Godfather, and pieguy just made him immune to your gunsmith investigations.

I'm willing to to agree with Tanz on this one that he's most likely going to be targetted for the mafia kill tonight, so I think it would be good if we engaged in a little discussion at least.

Also, I'm really thinking BRBP is scum more and more now. After reading the 5p Jester Mafia game that just finished, BRBP, as the only mafia, was given a chance to hammer and win the game, yet he passes up on it just to "confirm" himself as town, and lets the other town members vote each other off in confusion. His posts always make him look like he has absolutely no idea what he's doing (you could call it passive ignorance...?), which can result in disaster if you just let him off easy. Many of his posts from when he killed NH still look indubitably scummy, especially the points about "I'd rather let mafia kill Sakura than waste a vote on lynching her myself". It's possible that the reason why he took the shot without claiming first was so that he could make use of his (somewhat difficult to properly utilize) role as mafia dayvig before he got lynched, so mafia has one less townie to take down. He could then cover it up by saying "that was the only way to prove myself" and "hurr I was a retard so I didn't realize I should've claimed", but in the end, all he cared about was the fact that he got the kill.

He also completely ignored RB and tried to focus as much of his attention on getting Tanz lynched.
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