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Because I got attacked by Tanz and Kitsune immediately?BRBP wrote:
Why say this now? Why use something "scummy" like this as a defence? It'd be so much more believable if you just stated it any other time.fartownik wrote:
Also it doesn't really matter what I said, to be honest. I've done a real lot of reaction tests from which you could judge I perceive plenty of players as Town, while in fact they're on my scumlist. I can't reveal everything right away because it'd ruin my judgment.
Also you're 'confirmed' Town, right? Then act like one. Why don't you scumhunt? Why don't you do anything to help Town? Your views are especially valuable since everyone knows they can trust you, why aren't you doing it?
dat vote.
Also you haven't answered this: p/2484911
@fartownik: At the rate before you voted Tanz, Royston was likely to get lynched today, so I thought changing my vote for RB would have the same impact as keeping my vote on Tanz, I'm sure about RB being scum though, as suspicious as Tanz, as he has townread from Tanz for a reason Tanz still hasn't explained nor answered to me.
p/2466212/Tanzklaue wrote:
I didn't lie the whole game to everyone about what I read for certain players.
p/2482350/Tanzklaue wrote:
BRBP and Sakura: pretty much confirmed bad townies at this point, still a little bit iffy about BRBP, but we can't get more out of him I think. most likely because there isn't much more to him.
Ok, the difference is that farto fakeclaimed in Stacking the Deck, BRBP's claim is true.Tanzklaue wrote:
BRBP = null, he is super scummy, though his role protects him. just like i didn't forget about the possibility of fart being scum in stack the deck, I won't dismiss the possibility here either.
Also you haven't answered this: p/2484911
@fartownik: At the rate before you voted Tanz, Royston was likely to get lynched today, so I thought changing my vote for RB would have the same impact as keeping my vote on Tanz, I'm sure about RB being scum though, as suspicious as Tanz, as he has townread from Tanz for a reason Tanz still hasn't explained nor answered to me.
I would like to know that reason myself to be honest.
well, lilac and RB have a connection. they both stated it openly. I read lilac as leaning town, and RB as leaning town aswell, else they wouldn't share night actions with one anotherin the open. of course it could be staged, but I don't think that it is too likely.
also RB acts a whole lot more town than our supposedly confirmed townie.
I don't see the contradiction in what you quoted dake. I said in the first one that I am iffy about BRBP, and in the second I am really iffy about him. I didn't lie about my reads at any point.
also RB acts a whole lot more town than our supposedly confirmed townie.
I don't see the contradiction in what you quoted dake. I said in the first one that I am iffy about BRBP, and in the second I am really iffy about him. I didn't lie about my reads at any point.
@Tanz: what do you think about RB jumping on the nolynch wagon for no reason (still not explained)?
it's fishy, yes. I think I was one of the guys who laid a lot of suspicion on him for that. the point still stands, but I rather believe that he just didn't thought it through.
Yeah, and he still didn't explain why he did it, no matter how many times we bringed up this argument.
well, I believe that it was a silly mistake rather than something superscummy. like you believe that the slips of royston were mistakes aswell.
we all do them sometimes, and the rest of his play seemed to be town enough to me.
we all do them sometimes, and the rest of his play seemed to be town enough to me.
Royston at least tried to explain himself when asked. RB avoided the topic at all costs.
I count that as a try aswell.Raging Bull wrote:
I voted NL since Tanz said pressuring Lilac won't do anything within that hour before lynch even occurs.
When's the deadline?
~2 hours from now I think. maybe less.
Why the fuck is no one even talking here. 2 hours 'til the deadline and I'm sure it's Tanz or Dake here.
+fartownik wrote:
Why the fuck is no one even talking here. 2 hours 'til the deadline and I'm sure it's Tanz or Dake here.
do you mean we're here or that one of us gets lynched?
because the latter isn't the case at all.
I think one of you is surely scum, I'm just unsure which one.
@Mod: requesting a final extension of the deadline until everything is sorted out
Hi.
As much as lynching Tanz would give information, my vote is either on Dake or Royston and I'd rather lynch one of them because I'm almost certain they are a pair.
As much as lynching Tanz would give information, my vote is either on Dake or Royston and I'd rather lynch one of them because I'm almost certain they are a pair.
A pair of mafia, I mean. It's just a theory and I want to see if it's right.
If that doesn't convince you let me propose this. Let's say Tanz is town.
Dake's lead up to Tanz was possibly a choice to try and off the Gunsmith who could look for guns for the mafia will still hidden under the veil of Tanz being scummy, town would be down a role that could potentially look for mafia and noone would second guess the people on the wagon because the Tanz lynch was too justified. It's unlikely Gunsmith is mafia (assuming that the role claim is true) because the role would only benefit mafia if there are more killing roles or the same number of them not on the mafia's side.
This is why I think the Tanz lynch wagon is a clever ploy.
Dake's lead up to Tanz was possibly a choice to try and off the Gunsmith who could look for guns for the mafia will still hidden under the veil of Tanz being scummy, town would be down a role that could potentially look for mafia and noone would second guess the people on the wagon because the Tanz lynch was too justified. It's unlikely Gunsmith is mafia (assuming that the role claim is true) because the role would only benefit mafia if there are more killing roles or the same number of them not on the mafia's side.
This is why I think the Tanz lynch wagon is a clever ploy.
Well, that's one theory. But there's also the fact that a basically confirmed Town (BRBP) votes Tanz, not Dake. I just don't know who to trust anymore.
Trust yourself.
I'm going with my gut anyway and I'd sorta prefer it if Tanz was alive. I don't mind if he gets lynched though. I'm just as frustrated as you are right about now.
I'm going with my gut anyway and I'd sorta prefer it if Tanz was alive. I don't mind if he gets lynched though. I'm just as frustrated as you are right about now.
Topic Starter
votecount 2.5:
Royston (3) - Jinxy, Kitsunemimi, Raging Bul (L - 2)
Tanzklaue (3) - BRBP, DakeDekaane, fartownik (L - 2)
DakeDekaane (1) - Lilac
fartownik (1) - Tanzklaue
deadline extended by 36:15
deadline is 8/8 9:00 GMT, 37:10 from now
sorry for long extension, but for some reasons I probably can't be online at all tomorrow. everything should be back after that
Royston (3) - Jinxy, Kitsunemimi, Raging Bul (L - 2)
Tanzklaue (3) - BRBP, DakeDekaane, fartownik (L - 2)
DakeDekaane (1) - Lilac
fartownik (1) - Tanzklaue
deadline extended by 36:15
deadline is 8/8 9:00 GMT, 37:10 from now
sorry for long extension, but for some reasons I probably can't be online at all tomorrow. everything should be back after that
I mean, that vote switch to farto by Tanz was absolutely terrible and by an absolute lack of judgement, I wouldn't be surprised if he was mafia.
No, that was even before I so called hopped on no lynch wagon. At that point, can I do any god damn thing? My post -> Day end was approximately less than 1 hour. No one posted after wards. Can I really get 3 people off the NL wagon that fast? Please if you can convince someone less than an hour then explain it.fartownik wrote:
I scumread you because I don't Townread you and by PoE you're the one I think is scum.
You hopped on the nolynch wagon with no reason.
You voted BRBP after he killed NH during the day.
These are just 2 blatant things you wouldn't do as Town. You can all it gut feeling if you want, explaining my detailed train of thoughts wouldn't help here because you'd call me wrong anyways, and others would probably agree.
I voted for BRBP because I asked him a question that I believe was important. He stated he believes Jinxy was suspicious and that it was obvious. There was no indications at all. All he did was shoot someone and leave. That is god damn anti town as fuck. When he finally started answering is when I unvoted. I'm just surprised you avoided the whole discussion and just stated how BRBP is most likely town despite his behavior. T
Sleep.fartownik wrote:
No answer? Really?
And before you say
Work.fartownik wrote:
No answer? Really?
I am fucking sorry, I passed out and wasn't present for what could've been the finale of the day >.<
that vote switch was terrible, I admit that. I was guided by the heat of the moment instead of logical conclusion. I will steer back now to what I believed to be true before that and what I still believe to be true.
Vote: Dake
feel free to ask me questions or whatever you could need from me.
that vote switch was terrible, I admit that. I was guided by the heat of the moment instead of logical conclusion. I will steer back now to what I believed to be true before that and what I still believe to be true.
Vote: Dake
feel free to ask me questions or whatever you could need from me.
Calling this now.
I have the intent to hammer Dake or Royston if it comes up to L-1.
I have the intent to hammer Dake or Royston if it comes up to L-1.
Fine, whatever.
Unvote
Vote: Dake
Unvote
Vote: Dake
Also how you wanna hammer Dake when you already have a vote on him, lol.Lilac wrote:
Calling this now.
I have the intent to hammer Dake or Royston if it comes up to L-1.
Derp. I actually completely forgot about that.
Thanks farto. I think you understand my point here though.
Thanks farto. I think you understand my point here though.
Man this is the longest day ever.
... >_>
Gosh I'm not sure what to do now.
The problem is that I haven't seen enough of Dake's posts to really make much of him. But what Lilac said about his actions does seem to make sense. And also, I do agree that Dake kind of turned things on Tanz rather quickly.
Unvote
Vote: DakeDekaaaaane
Didn't have much to base my Royston vote on anyways ._. I just hope you guys are right about this.
... >_>
Gosh I'm not sure what to do now.
The problem is that I haven't seen enough of Dake's posts to really make much of him. But what Lilac said about his actions does seem to make sense. And also, I do agree that Dake kind of turned things on Tanz rather quickly.
Unvote
Vote: DakeDekaaaaane
Didn't have much to base my Royston vote on anyways ._. I just hope you guys are right about this.
Well, that wagon filled up very fast, good luck town.
I should finish reading my books until the hammer comes up.
I should finish reading my books until the hammer comes up.
Unvote.
I did say that I would hammer. Nothing else you want to say? Like a role claim or argument against the lynch?
I did say that I would hammer. Nothing else you want to say? Like a role claim or argument against the lynch?
vote:Dake
God you'd better not be town. But, hell, at this point I can't let this drag on and risk the lynch on myself.
God you'd better not be town. But, hell, at this point I can't let this drag on and risk the lynch on myself.
If you guys doesn't want to go for RB or Tanz, then I can't do anything else than wait than my lynch would bring something useful for town.
About the claim, if it's helpful, I'm a quiet Commuter.
mukyuu~
About the claim, if it's helpful, I'm a quiet Commuter.
mukyuu~
Voting me to save yourself when you only have 2 votes? cool.
We got our 3 scum. Go town, you can win this. Patchouli cheers you~
We got our 3 scum. Go town, you can win this. Patchouli cheers you~
shit kitsune unvoted me you're right
i still thought i had 3 votes on me
unvote
i still thought i had 3 votes on me
unvote
Ugh. That role claim.
Lilac. The most indecisive player to have ever played Mafia.
Lilac. The most indecisive player to have ever played Mafia.
@dake: how exactly does the commuter translate from your character patchouli? like, why would she be a commuter?
I hide in the library each night, being immune to all night actions.
fartownik wrote:
I've planned to vote you (Tanz) yesterday, but I had RB on the priority first, and no one seems to share my suspicions on him.
BRBP wrote:
I don't even have to look back to be able to say you misunderstood itRaging Bull wrote:
I voted for BRBP because I asked him a question that I believe was important. He stated he believes Jinxy was suspicious and that it was obvious.
Didn'tRaging Bull wrote:
All he did was shoot someone and leave.
Yeah nevermind, I was gonna reply all then I realize you said you only saw who was going to vote you because of that. Fuck you
Yes, exactly.
Also that claim from Dake is a real shitty one. Commuter is a very convenient one if you want to fakeclaim, and he possibly just did.
Also that claim from Dake is a real shitty one. Commuter is a very convenient one if you want to fakeclaim, and he possibly just did.
^ first part was directed to BRBP.
BRBP wrote:
So now you decided to go to your third suspect...? Without anything new brought to the Dake's case, you just simply decided to vote with no explanation at all?fartownik wrote:
I've planned to vote you yesterday, but I had RB on the priority first, and no one seems to share my suspicions on him.
I assume you're replying to this part of BRBP's post. Correct me if I'm wrong.fartownik wrote:
Yes, exactly.
Why do you have no explanation for something like that? Hell, you've been acting more and more scummy since around yesterday. You jumped to voting Tanz, giving an excuse of more reaction test crap when called out contradicting your reads, and then switch over to Dake, outright saying you have no explanation, or I assume, a secret explanation for more "reaction tests". Such secretive shit rarely helps town and is more likely a scum's excuse.
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RE: Dake's claim
Well, the flavour certainly fits, since the flavour location of this game is exactly where Patche lives / has her library in, and Patche's general characterization fits an "avoiding" style role. She was used as a Hider in another TH PYP iirc? Nevertheless, it might be a convenient fakeclaim as suggested by fart, though I'm certainly believing it more than fart, for the above reasons.
So you make no active effort to convince me to take my vote off of you, in fact you imply that my vote is agreeable on.Royston wrote:
What can I say indeed? You made a good, well reasoned post. If not for the fact that I know I'm town, I'd agree with you.
But the moment you get another vote, you instantly bail out and smack a vote on someone else so they get lynched instead of you?Royston wrote:
vote:Dake
God you'd better not be town. But, hell, at this point I can't let this drag on and risk the lynch on myself.
Also, "God you'd better not be town." sounds to me once again like you know who's town and who's not, but you're pretending like you don't know/trying to make it look like you don't.
Perhaps I should switch my vote back over to you, Royston.
of course I'm gonna smack a vote on someone else, I'm not gonna let myself get lynched for fun. I stupidly thought I had 3 votes on me & with lilac threatening to hammer I acted.
it's simple. Am I scum? No. Is Dake? Hell if I know. I'm leaning towards not after his claim, though I can't say I know shit about Touhou to say whether it makes sense or not, whatever. The point is, I'm not gonna twiddle my thumbs and wait to die. which almost happened before the extension.
the only situation I understand where someone would -want- to get lynched is a) Jester or b) vengeful mafia, and trust me I'm neither
it's simple. Am I scum? No. Is Dake? Hell if I know. I'm leaning towards not after his claim, though I can't say I know shit about Touhou to say whether it makes sense or not, whatever. The point is, I'm not gonna twiddle my thumbs and wait to die. which almost happened before the extension.
the only situation I understand where someone would -want- to get lynched is a) Jester or b) vengeful mafia, and trust me I'm neither
The fact is, you let me put a vote on you without any retaliation from your part. Meaning you were actively allowing me to increase the odds/risk of you getting lynched. Not only does this contradict the argument you present to me now, but the fact is, as town, risking your own death is not town-motivated behaviour. The only excuse for behaving this way, aside from being jester or vengeful, is if you're mafia and you can't come up with a reasonable argument to counter my vote on you.Royston wrote:
of course I'm gonna smack a vote on someone else, I'm not gonna let myself get lynched for fun. I stupidly thought I had 3 votes on me & with lilac threatening to hammer I acted.
it's simple. Am I scum? No. Is Dake? Hell if I know. I'm leaning towards not after his claim, though I can't say I know shit about Touhou to say whether it makes sense or not, whatever. The point is, I'm not gonna twiddle my thumbs and wait to die. which almost happened before the extension.
the only situation I understand where someone would -want- to get lynched is a) Jester or b) vengeful mafia, and trust me I'm neither
Not only that, but you soon after vote DD solely so that you won't get lynched. You can say that "oh yeah i'm town and he might not be" and therefore make it a town-motivated action, but it's extremely easy for any scum to just do this sort of thing and use that as a weak excuse. Hell, if you're expecting me to believe that, then everyone in this game may as damn well be town. You're just putting increased risk on someone else who you don't even know whether they are scum or not (I haven't seen any thoughts from you on DD), and therefore an unjustified vote is a scum-motivated one.
You know what, my Dake vote wasn't all that justified anyways. Let me change that back.
Unvote
Vote: Royston
I want to claim my role, but I need everyone to unvote before doing it.
Unvote
Wait, what?
You can always put your vote back if my claim doesn't change anything in your point of view.
I need everyone to unvote, then I claim and then you can put your vote back if you want. I don't see why anyone wouldn't do it.
I need everyone to unvote, then I claim and then you can put your vote back if you want. I don't see why anyone wouldn't do it.
Yeah but why are you claiming now of all times? :<
Because I find it necessary/useful.
why now of all times? and why would we need to unvote?
No, until you explain why.
Jesus, how is that fucking harmful to just unvote? The day is not gonna end soon, you don't risk anything and I'm not asking for much.
I don't see why you require unvotes to claim. If your claim is really strong enough to change out points of view, then we'll move our vote. I don't see any difference of this and unvoting and revoting, unless you have some sort of ulterior motive that relies on a lack of votes.
I tell you there's a difference. At least move the votes so they're not at L-2.
doublevoter maybe?
Unvote
;w;
inb4 he's just trolling mod
;w;
inb4 he's just trolling mod
for BRBP, there is no such thing as changing situations. they would be uncomfortable to deal with anyway, right?
Unvote
Unvote
It wasn't necessary back then, god why are you such a log.BRBP wrote:
You could've claimed on the beginning of the day when nobody's voting.
So, no.
This is as far as I'll agree with. Insures against a possible Doublevoter, and also whatever might happen in a 0-vote situation.fartownik wrote:
I tell you there's a difference. At least move the votes so they're not at L-2.
Current votecount if I calculated correctly:
Royston (2) - Jinxy, Raging BullWell?
Tanzklaue (2) - BRBP, DakeDekaane
you don't seem to trust anyone except the people everyone has scumreads on.BRBP wrote:
Probably because I don't trust you, and nothing guarantees your ability won't something harmful. Hey, I'm just playing the game.fartownik wrote:
It wasn't necessary back then, god why are you such a log.
Claim: Mason
I'm Komeiji Satori, Mason along with Royston, Komeiji Koishi.
I didn't want any quickhammer on Royston from potential scum, that's why I wanted everyone to unvote.
I'm Komeiji Satori, Mason along with Royston, Komeiji Koishi.
I didn't want any quickhammer on Royston from potential scum, that's why I wanted everyone to unvote.
Btw. JInxy - you're scum or your reads are horrible. You voted every confirmed Town so far (yes, bringing this argument again).
Unvote
And I'm going to reply in the exact same way as before. Besides, I did call you out on providing excuses for Royston and defending him hard, something clearly scummy if you two weren't Masons.
And I'm going to reply in the exact same way as before. Besides, I did call you out on providing excuses for Royston and defending him hard, something clearly scummy if you two weren't Masons.
Eeeyyy, more people claimed.
So then... what now?
So then... what now?
So, the only ones that didn't claim are RB, JInxy and Lilac. If Tanz is telling the truth - one of them is a Mafia Roleblocker.
dake could be a mafia roleblocker aswell. his claim is convenient, and I believe that there are enough people who could prepare good fakeclaims.
This is actually possible, and possibly a plan of his.Tanzklaue wrote:
dake could be a mafia roleblocker aswell. his claim is convenient, and I believe that there are enough people who could prepare good fakeclaims.
If we thought not to lynch Dake, we would possibly decide for one person to target him during the night, seeing whether his ability is blocked. He could simply roleblock that person and his claim would be kinda-confirmed.
True. Though, what if we got more people to check? He can't possibly roleblock them all, then.
we have, if all the other claims are true, only one active ability that could do that, and that's me.Jinxy wrote:
True. Though, what if we got more people to check? He can't possibly roleblock them all, then.
and I will most likely not see day 3 alive. so it lies upon RB, lilac and you.
If we wish to set up a confirmation for his claim we would need 3 confirmed Town players with night roles. We have only 1 leaning Town because of the role, rest is unknown. The results would be pure WIFOM anyways, this is not a good idea.
@Tanz: it's most likely that it's me who's gonna die, or Royston, as we're confirmed Town right now. If there's a protective role - I wish it targets one of us at random.
you're not 100% eitherfartownik wrote:
@Tanz: it's most likely that it's me who's gonna die, or Royston, as we're confirmed Town right now. If there's a protective role - I wish it targets one of us at random.
I would've liked to confirm you and royston in the case of a case, but you're actually right.
if we would get the roleblocker though, thzat would make me the most likely target, as I would be able to confirm other townies (and would be almost confirmed myself actually).
Also the remaining unclaimed players - don't claim please. If there's a protective role among you it will be really useful tonight, and if scum knows who it is they can block it. Protect me or Royston at random, Tanz is still most likely to be roleblocked (if Town). Also if one of me or Royston die, it's (again) high likely one of the unclaimed is scum, or even two as they are not afraid of the potential Doctor, means they know there's none as they're scum themselves.
Also my reads. I've done it with percentages, the closer to 100% the more likely the person is to be scum.
DakeDekaane 80%
Lilac 40% (possible scum with Kitsunemimi)
Raging Bull 70%
Tanzklaue 50%
Jinxy 70%
Kitsunemimi 40% (possible scum with Lilac)
Royston 0%
BRBP 10%
fartownik 0%
Nice and shiny.
DakeDekaane 80%
Lilac 40% (possible scum with Kitsunemimi)
Raging Bull 70%
Tanzklaue 50%
Jinxy 70%
Kitsunemimi 40% (possible scum with Lilac)
Royston 0%
BRBP 10%
fartownik 0%
Nice and shiny.
farto, if what you're saying is true then I think we might want to get rid of RB because...
Yeah, I didn't really do the best thing last night if he is scum.
Yeah, I didn't really do the best thing last night if he is scum.
Obligatory "what did you do Lilac?"
Let's say if he's the roleblocker...
...he's more than likely gonna get more than one roleblock tonight.
...he's more than likely gonna get more than one roleblock tonight.
So your role doubles the amount of actions of the person you target?
Hey, you told me not to role claim and I ain't going to.
Also, that's not really how my role works, this is just the worst case scenario.
Also, that's not really how my role works, this is just the worst case scenario.
well, I will go to bed in a few minutes and probably pass out imediately and I may not make it back for the deadline.
so if there is something you need me for, say it now.
so if there is something you need me for, say it now.
Vote: RB.
That's my paranoia voting. Will give a more detailed reason after I get out of my bed.
That's my paranoia voting. Will give a more detailed reason after I get out of my bed.
Also. Vote for who you think is mafia, Tanz. If you have then that's the best thing you can do.
then i shall do just that.
Vote: DakeDekaane
and with that I'm off to bed. good night folks.
Vote: DakeDekaane
and with that I'm off to bed. good night folks.
You already said partially what your role does, and you're not a Doctor for sure. I wanted you not to claim so scum doesn't know whether there's a Doctor or not, and you already buried that possibility for yourself.Lilac wrote:
Hey, you told me not to role claim and I ain't going to.
Also, that's not really how my role works, this is just the worst case scenario.
There a few other people who haven't claimed so who knows?
I will say if RB is scum then this night will turn out really bad. And I really mean that.
I will say if RB is scum then this night will turn out really bad. And I really mean that.
Only RB and JInxy didn't claim, and they're potentially both scum.
Do I need to say anything more to convince you to lynch RB?