I asked first, please do not reply to a question with another question.Tanzklaue wrote:
what do you think?
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technically you also said "only one last question" and then asked 4.
I can imagine him having town motivations and just not thinking it through. there is also the possibility of him shooting before getting lynched and then avoiding a lynch. but I don't think that is the case.
I can imagine him having town motivations and just not thinking it through. there is also the possibility of him shooting before getting lynched and then avoiding a lynch. but I don't think that is the case.
What motivation could he possibly had about shooting first and asking question later instead of saying he was dayvig and would shoot him if he didn't claim?
what motivations could you have had for acting overly scummy, when the usefulness of it was questionable?
what motivations could I have had for keeping the pressure on BRBP for so long?
sometimes people make mistakes. I don't overanalyze every little detail, because at one point, you will find yourself not being able to really make a point anymore and you end up flip flopping between everyone who looked at you funny. I think it's more useful to try to find solid reads and suspicions as opposed to "every action could have had scumintent!".
what motivations could I have had for keeping the pressure on BRBP for so long?
sometimes people make mistakes. I don't overanalyze every little detail, because at one point, you will find yourself not being able to really make a point anymore and you end up flip flopping between everyone who looked at you funny. I think it's more useful to try to find solid reads and suspicions as opposed to "every action could have had scumintent!".
I already mentioned why I did it, re-read the thread and tell me if you can find it.
Good question on the second one, you kept pressure on him for fairly long then suddenly he becomes scummier and closer to lynch and you suddenly town read him, even after admitting there could be scum dayvig.
Vote: Tanzklaue
I can take care of Rantai tomorrow, this guy needs rope today.
Good question on the second one, you kept pressure on him for fairly long then suddenly he becomes scummier and closer to lynch and you suddenly town read him, even after admitting there could be scum dayvig.
Vote: Tanzklaue
I can take care of Rantai tomorrow, this guy needs rope today.
Dem empty threats.
In less subtle words, come at me now. We'll see how good you are.
you're funny sakura.
you know that you contradict yourself? BRBP did, after his shooting, look less scummier than he did before. he was close to a lynch, and people started questioning me. it was established that BRBP read town for most people, they started pressuring me. I started explaining myself, and answered the questions that were asked to me as good as I could.
then I claimed, I already established before that that I don't have much reason to believe that BRBP is scum. then you come around, and say me townreading him (which is btw. the most sane thing for anyone to do) means that I am scum. you revote me, after unvoting me at first. you asked questions which are not really answerable in a town way. they even seem deliberatly asked in this fashion to make me answer in a way that would contradict myself.
you also seemed to be awfully concerned about my ability and who i could find and who I couldn't find.
afraid perhaps that i would find a few guns if I scanned you? would be inconvenient for a so called reviver to carry around weapons of murder I think.
you know that you contradict yourself? BRBP did, after his shooting, look less scummier than he did before. he was close to a lynch, and people started questioning me. it was established that BRBP read town for most people, they started pressuring me. I started explaining myself, and answered the questions that were asked to me as good as I could.
then I claimed, I already established before that that I don't have much reason to believe that BRBP is scum. then you come around, and say me townreading him (which is btw. the most sane thing for anyone to do) means that I am scum. you revote me, after unvoting me at first. you asked questions which are not really answerable in a town way. they even seem deliberatly asked in this fashion to make me answer in a way that would contradict myself.
you also seemed to be awfully concerned about my ability and who i could find and who I couldn't find.
afraid perhaps that i would find a few guns if I scanned you? would be inconvenient for a so called reviver to carry around weapons of murder I think.
you also didn't answered the questions I asked. like you didn't answer the questions earlier.
why should you be afraid of a role that could basically 99% confirm you if you didn't lie?
why should you be afraid of a role that could basically 99% confirm you if you didn't lie?
You contradicting yourself is your own fault, not mine. I'm not afraid of your role, what makes you think i am?
that you suddenly revote me, after first saying that my case is closed.
I didn't contradict myself. I already established how I first kept my vot on BRBP since he was my biggest lead, and then unvoted him in the aftermath, as I believed that he most likely isn't scum after that.
how would you answer the question "how does him shooting without saying anything before make him look not scummy?" in a way that wouldn't make you look scummy? its the same question as "why would you, sakura, grab all the attention if you weren't scum?". any answer that isn't "you're right, he/she is scum" would paint the asked one as scum.
your whole gameplan in this game was weird. even after you admitted that your tactic of acting scummy was dumb, you continued looking scummy, continued flip flopping between multiple people. you also didn't really hunt for scum, as your vote on me came out of the blue (out of yet another flip flop), and you have gone along with the reasoning of others. you seem to go for whoever seems like he would make a good target. your vote on rantai again came without reason, and you still reading jinxy as scum while most of us switched away from him is just odd.
I don't think any longer that any town aligned person would play like this. I'm sorry kanye, but I think your case has to wait.
Vote: Sakura
I didn't contradict myself. I already established how I first kept my vot on BRBP since he was my biggest lead, and then unvoted him in the aftermath, as I believed that he most likely isn't scum after that.
how would you answer the question "how does him shooting without saying anything before make him look not scummy?" in a way that wouldn't make you look scummy? its the same question as "why would you, sakura, grab all the attention if you weren't scum?". any answer that isn't "you're right, he/she is scum" would paint the asked one as scum.
your whole gameplan in this game was weird. even after you admitted that your tactic of acting scummy was dumb, you continued looking scummy, continued flip flopping between multiple people. you also didn't really hunt for scum, as your vote on me came out of the blue (out of yet another flip flop), and you have gone along with the reasoning of others. you seem to go for whoever seems like he would make a good target. your vote on rantai again came without reason, and you still reading jinxy as scum while most of us switched away from him is just odd.
I don't think any longer that any town aligned person would play like this. I'm sorry kanye, but I think your case has to wait.
Vote: Sakura
So because im pressuring you i'm scum? nice logic.
And looks like you're able to back down on your apparently conf.town read on me just because i'm pressuring you and asking you questions?
@Rantai: I specified the reasons i suspect you in my reads list, go and read.
So i'm still acting scummy then?
Why do you try to attack me while also mudsligning at a lurker to whom you deflected attention before?
And looks like you're able to back down on your apparently conf.town read on me just because i'm pressuring you and asking you questions?
@Rantai: I specified the reasons i suspect you in my reads list, go and read.
So i'm still acting scummy then?
Why do you try to attack me while also mudsligning at a lurker to whom you deflected attention before?
because I think you're scum. and i believe kanye is scum aswell.
sakura, answer the questions I gave you.
and i have a nw one. might be familiar to you.
why did you unvote BRBP directly after his shot, when I gave the possibility of him being a mafia aligned dayvig? why do you back down from your scumsuspect directly after he did the most scummy thing possible?
sakura, answer the questions I gave you.
and i have a nw one. might be familiar to you.
why did you unvote BRBP directly after his shot, when I gave the possibility of him being a mafia aligned dayvig? why do you back down from your scumsuspect directly after he did the most scummy thing possible?
it's also not the pressure in itself. it is the fact that you first took of the pressure from me, then asked iffy questions, and then voted me again. the questions couldn't get anything other but at least slight contradictions out of anyone because the way you asked them didn't allow for it. bsically, if you were this sure that I am scum, then why did you unvote in the first place?
Oh that was actually serious.
Well I outright giggled from the "scumslip" comment, I assume that's not a strong factor.
Unfortunately for you, my personality (need a better word but I'll stick to that) won't change on a whim, not going to pull out BS analysis just to appease the crowd.
If I actually see something that doesn't seem right, I'll probe it (then again you've seen my take on what I see in the thread already).
Well I outright giggled from the "scumslip" comment, I assume that's not a strong factor.
Unfortunately for you, my personality (need a better word but I'll stick to that) won't change on a whim, not going to pull out BS analysis just to appease the crowd.
If I actually see something that doesn't seem right, I'll probe it (then again you've seen my take on what I see in the thread already).
At the time I thought he might've been a town dayvig, and you wanting to paint him as scum dayvig was you being scummy trying to go for a mislynch, unlike you, I didn't check the possibility of a mafia dayvig.Tanzklaue wrote:
why did you unvote BRBP directly after his shot, when I gave the possibility of him being a mafia aligned dayvig? why do you back down from your scumsuspect directly after he did the most scummy thing possible?
Children, stop fighting please. Make up with each other because you're (most likely) both Town voting yourselves. If you think Kanye is scum - vote him, because I think so too and we will not lose time for pointless argues.
This isn't fighting this is me questioning my scumread on his actions to see whether it strengthes or weakens my scumread on him, which as you have seen already it started going down then it went back up.
and after I brought up the possibility of him being a mafia dayvig, you didn't reconsider your read on him. but I am scum for actually considering the possibility and keeping my pressure on him for that possibility?Sakura wrote:
At the time I thought he might've been a town dayvig, and you wanting to paint him as scum dayvig was you being scummy trying to go for a mislynch, unlike you, I didn't check the possibility of a mafia dayvig.Tanzklaue wrote:
why did you unvote BRBP directly after his shot, when I gave the possibility of him being a mafia aligned dayvig? why do you back down from your scumsuspect directly after he did the most scummy thing possible?
I mean, if you now come around and say that he lookd the most scummy after he shot, then you must have considered it. but you still decided to go after me. your argument would work if you hadn't basically admitted that you considered the possibility of him being a mafia dayvig.
also, you still need to answer the question why you believe that BRBP is less scummy than me, and was less scummy than me, when he basically did the most scum thing possible. why do you read me as scum over him?
I never said I considered the possibility of mafia dayvig, what makes you think I did?
I read you as scum because you attempted to place blame on BRBP being possible mafia dayvig, without supporting it that it could actually exist, you're general IIoA throughout the game, deflecting attention when you're in trouble, and then contradicting yourself when being questioned.
that you even asked the questions did. why would it even be of interest what i think about the possibility of a mafia dayvig if you don't believe that there is one?
only other motivation would be that you - like I said - deliberatly tried to scumpaint me again.
only other motivation would be that you - like I said - deliberatly tried to scumpaint me again.
A proper town defense would be to refute my points.
A proper scum defense would be to attack their attacker... like you're doing now.
A proper scum defense would be to attack their attacker... like you're doing now.
I didn't contradict myself.
I actually have support for the possibility of mafia dayvigs (mafiascumwiki at least says that they aren't unheard of).
I tried to analyse, and for the most part, i couldn't get much out of it. I followed the most reasonable view, which was in the case of BRBP lilac. after that, I did have my own leads.
I tried to defend myself when i was under heavy pressure, like every person would. of course I would name the people I see as scummy when everyone tries to kill me. who wouldn't? there is no townmotivation at all in not defending yourself.
I actually have support for the possibility of mafia dayvigs (mafiascumwiki at least says that they aren't unheard of).
I tried to analyse, and for the most part, i couldn't get much out of it. I followed the most reasonable view, which was in the case of BRBP lilac. after that, I did have my own leads.
I tried to defend myself when i was under heavy pressure, like every person would. of course I would name the people I see as scummy when everyone tries to kill me. who wouldn't? there is no townmotivation at all in not defending yourself.
Yeah, but your defense ended up in you attacking me when I started to consider you as scum again, why?
what points? you have no serious point. your point flip flops more than a fish that was pulled to land a few moments ago.
your points apply to a lot of people here, basically anyone who didn't directly unvote BRBP and stood true to the unvote.
your points apply to a lot of people here, basically anyone who didn't directly unvote BRBP and stood true to the unvote.
because your questioning seemed off to me, and then your revote on me. in my eyyes, you wouldn't have done it if you had true townintentions behind it.Sakura wrote:
Yeah, but your defense ended up in you attacking me when I started to consider you as scum again, why?
Unvote
Vote: Tanzklaue
^
that's scummy?
I asked you a question, you didn't give an answer that seemed coming from pro-town, so I voted you again.
Vote: Tanzklaue
^
that's scummy?
I asked you a question, you didn't give an answer that seemed coming from pro-town, so I voted you again.
you asked a question you knew I couldn't answer in a way that would've read town all over it.
but this actually doesn't lead anywhere.
Vote: Kanye
if I should survive, i could scan you. but I don't know if that would be a waste of a scan (since you probably wouldn't read me town anyway even if I confirmed you, also it's likely that you will die if you're town).
but this actually doesn't lead anywhere.
Vote: Kanye
if I should survive, i could scan you. but I don't know if that would be a waste of a scan (since you probably wouldn't read me town anyway even if I confirmed you, also it's likely that you will die if you're town).
Why do you think I knew you couldn't answer?
What makes you think i'd ask you a question you couldn't answer?
If i wanted to trap you I would ask something like "If you're town why are you voting town?" or something like that.
I got a null read on Kanye, so i'm not sheeping you on that.
What makes you think i'd ask you a question you couldn't answer?
If i wanted to trap you I would ask something like "If you're town why are you voting town?" or something like that.
I got a null read on Kanye, so i'm not sheeping you on that.
I don't even know why you did 90% of the actions you did in this thread. I have no idea why you would try to get me to give you a reason to vote me. why would you even question me if you already unvoted me? if you don't trust me enough in the first place, don't unvote.
basically, if this continues, I will die anyway. you will die this night if you're town, and nobody gets much scum info out of it. I can't do that much more to defend myself, i already claimed, and it's up to you guys if you believe it or not.
basically, if this continues, I will die anyway. you will die this night if you're town, and nobody gets much scum info out of it. I can't do that much more to defend myself, i already claimed, and it's up to you guys if you believe it or not.
Congrats, you spammed 5 sites with this internal discussion. Tanz-Sakura scumteam ftw.
Topic Starter
Votecount 1.7:
Tanzklaue (4) - Royston, Lilac, Kanye West, Sakura
Kanye West (3) - Raging Bull, fartownik, Tanzklaue
Jinxy (1) - BRBP
fartownik (1) - Jinxy
deadline is in 13:49
Tanzklaue (4) - Royston, Lilac, Kanye West, Sakura
Kanye West (3) - Raging Bull, fartownik, Tanzklaue
Jinxy (1) - BRBP
fartownik (1) - Jinxy
deadline is in 13:49
So can I get a reason why you guys are voting Kanye other than "lurking"?
Because farto is trying to save tanz maybe? I still think the whole back and forth between jinxy and him was planned
#callingit
#callingit
why should he save me?
I vote kanye because I think he is scum. I gave my reason already.
I vote kanye because I think he is scum. I gave my reason already.
#lazyscumKanye West wrote:
Because farto is trying to save tanz maybe? I still think the whole back and forth between jinxy and him was planned
#callingit
@Sakura: any reason NOT to vote Kanye (besides your so called suspicion towards Tanz)?
I'd think you'd be voting Kanye because he's sucm not because he's lurking.
voting for kanye results in pressure for him.
pressure for him results in new information.
you had no problem at all to vote me, if you actually want to get any information, then you shouldn't keep your vote on me. sitting out the deadline doesn't help town at all, and there is nor reason why you shouldn't be able to vote me again if nothing comes up.
pressure for him results in new information.
you had no problem at all to vote me, if you actually want to get any information, then you shouldn't keep your vote on me. sitting out the deadline doesn't help town at all, and there is nor reason why you shouldn't be able to vote me again if nothing comes up.
So ok summarzing your post:
You're voting kanye because he's lurking and you want to pressure him but you don't think he's scum.
At this point advertizing more votes on him will lead to a lynch on someone you don't think it's scum.
You can get information out of people without voting them.
You're voting kanye because he's lurking and you want to pressure him but you don't think he's scum.
At this point advertizing more votes on him will lead to a lynch on someone you don't think it's scum.
You can get information out of people without voting them.
But this is actually his meta. He plays like this as scum, with a notice that he's probably lazy right now and posts even more half-assed stuff.Sakura wrote:
I'd think you'd be voting Kanye because he's sucm not because he's lurking.
He replaced out of his game in DotA, so that's unuseful as a meta.
Do you have town meta from Kanye? Any meta accusation without the contrast is biased meta.
Do you have town meta from Kanye? Any meta accusation without the contrast is biased meta.
are you...Sakura wrote:
So ok summarzing your post:
You're voting kanye because he's lurking and you want to pressure him but you don't think he's scum.
At this point advertizing more votes on him will lead to a lynch on someone you don't think it's scum.
You can get information out of people without voting them.
I think he is scum. please, you make yourself look really ridiculous.
I did ask you if you were voting him because he was lurking or because he was scum, and that was your reply dont blame me for misrepresenting what you meant when you didn't even answer my question correctly.
So then tell me Tanz, what do you see as scummy from him?
Sell me your case on him?
Sell me your case on him?
btw. I looked up revivers. they can be of any alignment.
like, it's not even that rare if there is a reiver that he could be scum. just for everyone to think about it.
I vote kanye because I think he is scum, especially after his defense in which he promptly attacked me (which is a sign of being scum according to you). but well, his whole defense will kinda crumble if I flip town, since it was based around me being scum trying to make him look like my scumbuddy.
like, it's not even that rare if there is a reiver that he could be scum. just for everyone to think about it.
I vote kanye because I think he is scum, especially after his defense in which he promptly attacked me (which is a sign of being scum according to you). but well, his whole defense will kinda crumble if I flip town, since it was based around me being scum trying to make him look like my scumbuddy.
Let's go back to the post where you voted him:
Did you suspect him to be scum in this post?Tanzklaue wrote:
that said, I really want to know what kanye's take on the situation is.
Vote: Kanye
kanye, what are your takes on the recent developments and why do you hold back so much? surely there you must have an opinion on all that happened.
leaning scum, because he lurked. the answer to that actually convinced me that he is scum, because if he wasn't he probably would've argued differently.
Lurking isn't a scumtell tho.
Jesus, what's wrong with lynching a lurker? It's better to lynch him than mislynch on someone active. He's not providing any content, his posts are nothing to be considered helpful for Town. Because of this he's basically the most scummy person in the game, why not to vote him just by that?
No idea if you felt too comfy there Sakura, but protecting Kanye like that?
No idea if you felt too comfy there Sakura, but protecting Kanye like that?
Let's put it this way, imagine that if I, instead of drawing attention stupidly like I did, I would have lurked throughout the day to avoid getting lynched/NK'd, that same attitude you did would have made me claim and I would be a target for a NK anyway, so then Town has an OP PR exposed who will probably die, what then?
last time I checked, lurking was one of THE big things that you would go by to find scum.Sakura wrote:
Lurking isn't a scumtell tho.
you defend him way too much. what makes you so sure that he isn't scum?
I rather go for Active scum on D1 rather than Inactive scum.
so your argument is that he might be a good PR and making him claim would be dumb?Sakura wrote:
Let's put it this way, imagine that if I, instead of drawing attention stupidly like I did, I would have lurked throughout the day to avoid getting lynched/NK'd, that same attitude you did would have made me claim and I would be a target for a NK anyway, so then Town has an OP PR exposed who will probably die, what then?
since when is clinging to PRs considered a pro-town argument?
Since when lynching potential useful PRs that are lurking due to avoid Night kills is pro-town
it is in 100% of the cases better to have an exposed PR as opposed to hidden scum.
Hidden scum can be found in future days tho. They wont be able to remain hidden too long anyway
since like forever. lurking people have to deal with the consequences, lurking always builds suspicion on you.Sakura wrote:
Since when lynching potential useful PRs that are lurking due to avoid Night kills is pro-town
you say that kanye is a potential pro-town PR. but he also could be potential scum. you're argument is fallacious, since you can't know what he is. except you're both scum.
I think I wasn't that far off when i assumed that you fear my ability.
you could find hidden scum now, as opposed to lynching a not-really-that-scummy-and-already-claimed PR.Sakura wrote:
Hidden scum can be found in future days tho. They wont be able to remain hidden too long anyway
you're arguments get really weak now, sakura.
No, i don't fear your ability, but i think you're the one that's acting the scummiest of the active players, which is why I'm voting you, both you and farto's reasonings for suspecting kanye kinda sux, tho at least farto has some "sort of" validity because of said meta... even tho said meta is biased.
I think you're acting the scummiest out of the active players.
also, to get back to your argument of lynching useful town PRs: I said I'm a gunsmith. gunsmiths are fairly useful town PRs. so why would you risk lynching a PR you know that is useful and not a maybe possibly useful PR?
also, to get back to your argument of lynching useful town PRs: I said I'm a gunsmith. gunsmiths are fairly useful town PRs. so why would you risk lynching a PR you know that is useful and not a maybe possibly useful PR?
So you have a better suspect than Kanye, Sakura? Tanz is more likely to be scum with his activity, pretty believable claim, analyzing, quick posts? Really? That makes no bloody sense. Why are you so sure Kanye is Town?
Also someone mentioned a Lover role used by pieguy in previous game. Maybe Sakura is a Lover with Kanye and she doesn't want him dead by this?
I never said I was sure kanye was town, i just rather lynch my scumread over my null read.
Also I still don't see how is a flavor gunsmith useful at all (i never thought my flavor cop on LoL was useful in any way)
it's a normal gunsmith. I thought it was a flavour gunsmith, since he searches for the flavour of gun.Sakura wrote:
Also I still don't see how is a flavor gunsmith useful at all (i never thought my flavor cop on LoL was useful in any way)
there is only the gunsmith, and no variations. everything else would be called differently.
*Ithought that it would be called flavour gunsmith
I'm sorry, but this discussion really tired me already. I'm staying on Kanye unless someone claims fucking scum, hopefully I wake up tomorrow to see some good hammer. Good night.
well, and I don't really see any reason to discuss this any further without input from all the guys from the other side of the planet.
And you got nothing else to say BRBP?
inb4 we lynch Kanye and he turns out doctor or something, like really, you guys aren't even thinking before acting.
inb4 you lynch me and I turn gunsmith just like I said.Sakura wrote:
inb4 we lynch Kanye and he turns out doctor or something, like really, you guys aren't even thinking before acting.
we don't know what kanye is, speculating what he might be is fallacious and not helpful, and it isn't an argument against him.
If you're town I can just revive you if there's a doc and I survive this night.
reviving me won't help you at all. my role is already gone. also speculating that you will survive the night is another assumption, and it isn't a given. if anything, if you survive the night, it will strenghthen the scumtell on you.
also, why so fixated on doctors this game? like, you asked me an awful lot about doctors. you said earlier that a doctor could rescue you. you say that kanye might be a doctor. you say again that a doctor could save you, and that this doctor might be kanye (that is what you hinted at, eh?).
also, why so fixated on doctors this game? like, you asked me an awful lot about doctors. you said earlier that a doctor could rescue you. you say that kanye might be a doctor. you say again that a doctor could save you, and that this doctor might be kanye (that is what you hinted at, eh?).
Because a doctor can save me so I can revive people obviously.
@Tanz: It WILL help, but the way you're going, you're just going to run everyone to danger and force them to claim, so at this pace, what good did it do to say no to mass claiming? we already know the characters and abilities of 3 people, and you want to reveal a 4th.
@Tanz: It WILL help, but the way you're going, you're just going to run everyone to danger and force them to claim, so at this pace, what good did it do to say no to mass claiming? we already know the characters and abilities of 3 people, and you want to reveal a 4th.
I don't want to reveal a 4th. I want to catch scum. I think kanye is scum. a claim is normally only the last resort, if nothing else helps anymore. anybody you'll try to lynch will claim sooner or later, since everyone has a PR. not going after scum because they might be a useful PR is just not an good argument.
Like you?Tanzklaue wrote:
I don't want to reveal a 4th. I want to catch scum. I think kanye is scum. a claim is normally only the last resort, if nothing else helps anymore. anybody you'll try to lynch will claim sooner or later, since everyone has a PR. not going after scum because they might be a useful PR is just not an good argument.
no, because I am not scum.
it actually doesn't help to discuss anything with you. I will wait until RB, lilac etc. come back and post their opinions. they will basically decide what happens from now on.
it actually doesn't help to discuss anything with you. I will wait until RB, lilac etc. come back and post their opinions. they will basically decide what happens from now on.
Oh really! How interesting.Tanzklaue wrote:
no, because I am not scum.
You're the same as kanye... you MIGHT be a useful town PR, or you MIGHT be an useless scum PR. I might be a useful Town PR, or I might be a useful scum PR, there's simply no way of telling, i'm just going by your attitude so far which seems to stem on wanting to deflect onto one of the inactives, kanye.
....I honestly think this has gotten too far...
just because I'm death tunneling Tanz to figure his alignment?
You guys haven't really proven anything in the last few pages, it was just a straight back-and-forth argument. At this rate, you guys are just making yourself look worse imo. Sometimes it's better to just step back and rethink your strategy, no?
I'll agree with you that Tanz still looks pretty suspicious, his claim was kinda weird, and going after lurkers instead isn't really the best thing to do. But since you've been hammering away so hard on him, it's made it really hard for other people to post. At least, I personally couldn't come up with much to say. We need consensus to lynch people, right? So let's wait a bit and have a listen on what other people think?
I'll agree with you that Tanz still looks pretty suspicious, his claim was kinda weird, and going after lurkers instead isn't really the best thing to do. But since you've been hammering away so hard on him, it's made it really hard for other people to post. At least, I personally couldn't come up with much to say. We need consensus to lynch people, right? So let's wait a bit and have a listen on what other people think?
Last posts before heading to the bed.
Look at the page 31. Then look at the total amount of pages. 38-31 = 7. You have been fighting with Tanz for 7 pages straight, don't you think a solution would already be found if there was an actual one for this? I really feel sorry for the people that are gonna wake up to this and have to read through it all, making some sense out of it.
Look at the page 31. Then look at the total amount of pages. 38-31 = 7. You have been fighting with Tanz for 7 pages straight, don't you think a solution would already be found if there was an actual one for this? I really feel sorry for the people that are gonna wake up to this and have to read through it all, making some sense out of it.
;~;
Those 7 pages helped me figure out Tanz stances and reasons, so they aren't a waste.
You never replied to my statement regarding kanye's town meta tho
You never replied to my statement regarding kanye's town meta tho
That's EXACTLY what i've been trying to say those 7 pages, OMG someone that understands has appeared.BRBP wrote:
Right, Kanye...
I'd rather lynch scummy people instead of inactive people first.
omg Sakura + BRBP scumteam
The problem is that I'm not sure if Tanz is scummy enough for us to be so focused on him. I don't really feel like looking for it, but Kanye said something like "acting scummy =/= actually being scum". In the end, because of this uncertainty, the likelihood of either Tanz or Kanye flipping town is probably somewhat similar - that is, I'm almost equally unsure of whether Kanye is scum as I am unsure of Tanz. Of course, to me, Tanz is more scummy, but not everyone agrees...
I voted for Kanye based on how he played in DotA, granted there wasn't much.
@Kanye, then actually start posting more instead of popping in after every prod.
Truthfully, I only read up to like page 34.
@Sakura, did you honestly get anything out of it? Or are you still just tunnelling the hell out of Tanz? Honestly, only thing I agreed was the claim and how odd it was for Tanz to claim gunsmith and then got confused the hell out his own "role" , but other than that, during your back and forth argument, did you honestly get anything at all? What is your stance on Tanz then?
I think for the time being, my current suspects are Tanz/Sakura. To me, one is probably scum. Tunnelling the hell out of a useful player? Or Roleclaiming but doesn't seem like he knows his own role? Both.....maybe scum but a very low chance. I don't think anyone would argue for 7 pages and be scum buddies.
Kanye for his general activity here. The only time he tends to post is after a prod. He's saying he's actually busy during DotA but this time, you can see he obviously moderates his own game.
BRBP to me is just.....i don't know. His actions weren't justified and just because he's a dayvig doesn't confirm he's town I suppose. Honestly, even I used the wiki when I was checking dayvig. Maybe pieguy isn't a bastard mod, but you'll never know. Of course I could be wrong.
@Kanye, then actually start posting more instead of popping in after every prod.
fartownik wrote:
I really feel sorry for the people that are gonna wake up to this and have to read through it all, making some sense out of it.
Truthfully, I only read up to like page 34.
@Sakura, did you honestly get anything out of it? Or are you still just tunnelling the hell out of Tanz? Honestly, only thing I agreed was the claim and how odd it was for Tanz to claim gunsmith and then got confused the hell out his own "role" , but other than that, during your back and forth argument, did you honestly get anything at all? What is your stance on Tanz then?
I think for the time being, my current suspects are Tanz/Sakura. To me, one is probably scum. Tunnelling the hell out of a useful player? Or Roleclaiming but doesn't seem like he knows his own role? Both.....maybe scum but a very low chance. I don't think anyone would argue for 7 pages and be scum buddies.
Kanye for his general activity here. The only time he tends to post is after a prod. He's saying he's actually busy during DotA but this time, you can see he obviously moderates his own game.
BRBP to me is just.....i don't know. His actions weren't justified and just because he's a dayvig doesn't confirm he's town I suppose. Honestly, even I used the wiki when I was checking dayvig. Maybe pieguy isn't a bastard mod, but you'll never know. Of course I could be wrong.
Exactly, you must look at intent, which is why I'm voting Tanz.
I'm also reminded that if we're all really unsure, then it's still possible to go for No Lynch, but that might not be such a good idea after all...?
The fact that there's a 2-shot reviver, means that anything could happen
inb4 town reviver to counter scum dayvig.
inb4 town reviver to counter scum dayvig.
Actually it would, we already lost 1 towny today, we could assume we lynched NH instead.Kitsunemimi wrote:
I'm also reminded that if we're all really unsure, then it's still possible to go for No Lynch, but that might not be such a good idea after all...?
Vote: No Lynch
Remember when BRBP made his post to reply to all of the suspicions held against him? Since pieguy had confirmed his dayvig status afterwards, that also most likely means that everything he said in that post was true. I had grilled him pretty hard with the post I made too, and considering how close he was to the fire, as well as his previous (thoughtless?) contradictions/errors, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't lie about anything in that post, in which he did explicitly state that he was 1-shot dayvig, town aligned. Combine that with the likelyhood of a mafia aligned dayvig, and he's almost certainly town.Raging Bull wrote:
BRBP to me is just.....i don't know. His actions weren't justified and just because he's a dayvig doesn't confirm he's town I suppose. Honestly, even I used the wiki when I was checking dayvig. Maybe pieguy isn't a bastard mod, but you'll never know. Of course I could be wrong.
You can pretty much never be 100% sure, but that's kind of how mafia is... right?
As I said, we already had 1 casualty today, let's keep it that way I don't want to risk having 2 townies dead in the case both tanz and kanye are both town.
Alright I think I'll stick a vote in No Lynch for now, and hope this works out for the better >_<
Vote: No lynch
If this goes through, then Kanye, I really really hope you use the time to start to posting more, as it would help us settle this debate.
If you STILL continue with your inactivity, then I'm going to start to see that as pretty suspicious...
Vote: No lynch
If this goes through, then Kanye, I really really hope you use the time to start to posting more, as it would help us settle this debate.
If you STILL continue with your inactivity, then I'm going to start to see that as pretty suspicious...