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Touhou PyP IV (Game over - Mafia wins :>)

posted 2013-07-25T11:22:27+00:00

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Tanzklaue

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Tanzklaue 2013-07-30T14:53:34+00:00

Sakura wrote:
Just one last question for Tanz:

So you agree me and BRBP are the scummier people in here, you aren't voting either because we're technically confirmed town, yet you say that there's a possibility of a dayvig, which technically that doesn't make it confirmed town.

What would be the chances of a scum reviver as opposted to scum dayvig?

scum reviver = almost 0. it's a fairly dumb role, because you couldn't revive anyone up until lylo, where it would be an automatic win.

mafia dayvig is a possibility, but BRBP doesn't give me any reason anymore to believe that.

you are bascially confirmed because your role on mafiaside would make no sense at all. BRBP is basically confirmed because mafia aligned dayvigs are rare, and his actions hint at him being town.
though BRBP has still swing in him (he could turn out to be mafia after all), you most certainly are town.

Sakura

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Sakura 2013-07-30T15:00:19+00:00

So you say that you are randomly believing my claim, ergo I should believe yours as well?

You say there can be mafia dayvig, does his actions excuse him (including the shot itself) from being scum? if so which?

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Tanzklaue

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Tanzklaue 2013-07-30T15:11:33+00:00

Sakura wrote:
So you say that you are randomly believing my claim, ergo I should believe yours as well?

You say there can be mafia dayvig, does his actions excuse him (including the shot itself) from being scum? if so which?

I believe your claim because there is no real reason not to. your actions might be not the most protown, but I think you do them in pro-town interests.

BRBp did the most logical and town-ish thing he could do after the shot. you did that aswell. attacking me and putting pressure on me for my behaviour was probably the most town thing he could've done at that moment. (he also didn't continue with weird flip floppy play like you did

)

Sakura

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Sakura 2013-07-30T15:14:37+00:00

So you think him shooting NH was town motivated?

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Tanzklaue

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Tanzklaue 2013-07-30T15:16:21+00:00

what do you think?

Sakura

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Sakura 2013-07-30T15:18:55+00:00

Tanzklaue wrote:
what do you think?

I asked first, please do not reply to a question with another question.

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Tanzklaue

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Tanzklaue 2013-07-30T15:21:11+00:00

technically you also said "only one last question" and then asked 4.

I can imagine him having town motivations and just not thinking it through. there is also the possibility of him shooting before getting lynched and then avoiding a lynch. but I don't think that is the case.

Sakura

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Sakura 2013-07-30T15:24:19+00:00

What motivation could he possibly had about shooting first and asking question later instead of saying he was dayvig and would shoot him if he didn't claim?

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Tanzklaue

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Tanzklaue 2013-07-30T15:31:07+00:00

what motivations could you have had for acting overly scummy, when the usefulness of it was questionable?

what motivations could I have had for keeping the pressure on BRBP for so long?

sometimes people make mistakes. I don't overanalyze every little detail, because at one point, you will find yourself not being able to really make a point anymore and you end up flip flopping between everyone who looked at you funny. I think it's more useful to try to find solid reads and suspicions as opposed to "every action could have had scumintent!".

Sakura

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Sakura 2013-07-30T15:39:10+00:00

I already mentioned why I did it, re-read the thread and tell me if you can find it.

Good question on the second one, you kept pressure on him for fairly long then suddenly he becomes scummier and closer to lynch and you suddenly town read him, even after admitting there could be scum dayvig.

Vote: Tanzklaue

I can take care of Rantai tomorrow, this guy needs rope today.

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Rantai

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Rantai 2013-07-30T15:41:24+00:00

Dem empty threats.

Always lurking.

Rantai

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Rantai 2013-07-30T15:42:42+00:00

In less subtle words, come at me now. We'll see how good you are.

Always lurking.

Tanzklaue

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Tanzklaue 2013-07-30T15:49:02+00:00

you're funny sakura.

you know that you contradict yourself? BRBP did, after his shooting, look less scummier than he did before. he was close to a lynch, and people started questioning me. it was established that BRBP read town for most people, they started pressuring me. I started explaining myself, and answered the questions that were asked to me as good as I could.

then I claimed, I already established before that that I don't have much reason to believe that BRBP is scum. then you come around, and say me townreading him (which is btw. the most sane thing for anyone to do) means that I am scum. you revote me, after unvoting me at first. you asked questions which are not really answerable in a town way. they even seem deliberatly asked in this fashion to make me answer in a way that would contradict myself.

you also seemed to be awfully concerned about my ability and who i could find and who I couldn't find.
afraid perhaps that i would find a few guns if I scanned you? would be inconvenient for a so called reviver to carry around weapons of murder I think.

Tanzklaue

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Tanzklaue 2013-07-30T15:50:16+00:00

you also didn't answered the questions I asked. like you didn't answer the questions earlier.

why should you be afraid of a role that could basically 99% confirm you if you didn't lie?

Sakura

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Sakura 2013-07-30T15:52:14+00:00

You contradicting yourself is your own fault, not mine. I'm not afraid of your role, what makes you think i am?

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Tanzklaue

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Tanzklaue 2013-07-30T16:03:30+00:00

that you suddenly revote me, after first saying that my case is closed.

I didn't contradict myself. I already established how I first kept my vot on BRBP since he was my biggest lead, and then unvoted him in the aftermath, as I believed that he most likely isn't scum after that.
how would you answer the question "how does him shooting without saying anything before make him look not scummy?" in a way that wouldn't make you look scummy? its the same question as "why would you, sakura, grab all the attention if you weren't scum?". any answer that isn't "you're right, he/she is scum" would paint the asked one as scum.

your whole gameplan in this game was weird. even after you admitted that your tactic of acting scummy was dumb, you continued looking scummy, continued flip flopping between multiple people. you also didn't really hunt for scum, as your vote on me came out of the blue (out of yet another flip flop), and you have gone along with the reasoning of others. you seem to go for whoever seems like he would make a good target. your vote on rantai again came without reason, and you still reading jinxy as scum while most of us switched away from him is just odd.

I don't think any longer that any town aligned person would play like this. I'm sorry kanye, but I think your case has to wait.

Vote: Sakura

Sakura

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Sakura 2013-07-30T16:07:21+00:00

So because im pressuring you i'm scum? nice logic.
And looks like you're able to back down on your apparently conf.town read on me just because i'm pressuring you and asking you questions?

@Rantai: I specified the reasons i suspect you in my reads list, go and read.

So i'm still acting scummy then?

Why do you try to attack me while also mudsligning at a lurker to whom you deflected attention before?

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Tanzklaue

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Tanzklaue 2013-07-30T16:10:48+00:00

because I think you're scum. and i believe kanye is scum aswell.

sakura, answer the questions I gave you.

and i have a nw one. might be familiar to you.

why did you unvote BRBP directly after his shot, when I gave the possibility of him being a mafia aligned dayvig? why do you back down from your scumsuspect directly after he did the most scummy thing possible?

Tanzklaue

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Tanzklaue 2013-07-30T16:13:25+00:00

it's also not the pressure in itself. it is the fact that you first took of the pressure from me, then asked iffy questions, and then voted me again. the questions couldn't get anything other but at least slight contradictions out of anyone because the way you asked them didn't allow for it. bsically, if you were this sure that I am scum, then why did you unvote in the first place?

Rantai

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Rantai 2013-07-30T16:16:06+00:00

Oh that was actually serious.

Well I outright giggled from the "scumslip" comment, I assume that's not a strong factor.

Unfortunately for you, my personality (need a better word but I'll stick to that) won't change on a whim, not going to pull out BS analysis just to appease the crowd.

If I actually see something that doesn't seem right, I'll probe it (then again you've seen my take on what I see in the thread already).

Always lurking.

Sakura

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Sakura 2013-07-30T16:17:41+00:00

Tanzklaue wrote:
why did you unvote BRBP directly after his shot, when I gave the possibility of him being a mafia aligned dayvig? why do you back down from your scumsuspect directly after he did the most scummy thing possible?

At the time I thought he might've been a town dayvig, and you wanting to paint him as scum dayvig was you being scummy trying to go for a mislynch, unlike you, I didn't check the possibility of a mafia dayvig.

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fartownik

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fartownik 2013-07-30T16:20:03+00:00

Children, stop fighting please. Make up with each other because you're (most likely) both Town voting yourselves. If you think Kanye is scum - vote him, because I think so too and we will not lose time for pointless argues.

Sakura

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Sakura 2013-07-30T16:21:53+00:00

This isn't fighting this is me questioning my scumread on his actions to see whether it strengthes or weakens my scumread on him, which as you have seen already it started going down then it went back up.

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Tanzklaue

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Tanzklaue 2013-07-30T16:25:56+00:00

Sakura wrote:
Tanzklaue wrote:
why did you unvote BRBP directly after his shot, when I gave the possibility of him being a mafia aligned dayvig? why do you back down from your scumsuspect directly after he did the most scummy thing possible?
At the time I thought he might've been a town dayvig, and you wanting to paint him as scum dayvig was you being scummy trying to go for a mislynch, unlike you, I didn't check the possibility of a mafia dayvig.

and after I brought up the possibility of him being a mafia dayvig, you didn't reconsider your read on him. but I am scum for actually considering the possibility and keeping my pressure on him for that possibility?

I mean, if you now come around and say that he lookd the most scummy after he shot, then you must have considered it. but you still decided to go after me. your argument would work if you hadn't basically admitted that you considered the possibility of him being a mafia dayvig.

also, you still need to answer the question why you believe that BRBP is less scummy than me, and was less scummy than me, when he basically did the most scum thing possible. why do you read me as scum over him?

Sakura

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Sakura 2013-07-30T16:27:18+00:00

I never said I considered the possibility of mafia dayvig, what makes you think I did?

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Sakura

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Sakura 2013-07-30T16:28:43+00:00

I read you as scum because you attempted to place blame on BRBP being possible mafia dayvig, without supporting it that it could actually exist, you're general IIoA throughout the game, deflecting attention when you're in trouble, and then contradicting yourself when being questioned.

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Tanzklaue

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Tanzklaue 2013-07-30T16:32:43+00:00

that you even asked the questions did. why would it even be of interest what i think about the possibility of a mafia dayvig if you don't believe that there is one?

only other motivation would be that you - like I said - deliberatly tried to scumpaint me again.

Sakura

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Sakura 2013-07-30T16:34:56+00:00

A proper town defense would be to refute my points.

A proper scum defense would be to attack their attacker... like you're doing now.

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Tanzklaue

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Tanzklaue 2013-07-30T16:39:39+00:00

I didn't contradict myself.

I actually have support for the possibility of mafia dayvigs (mafiascumwiki at least says that they aren't unheard of).

I tried to analyse, and for the most part, i couldn't get much out of it. I followed the most reasonable view, which was in the case of BRBP lilac. after that, I did have my own leads.

I tried to defend myself when i was under heavy pressure, like every person would. of course I would name the people I see as scummy when everyone tries to kill me. who wouldn't? there is no townmotivation at all in not defending yourself.

Sakura

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Sakura 2013-07-30T16:41:43+00:00

Yeah, but your defense ended up in you attacking me when I started to consider you as scum again, why?

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Tanzklaue

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Tanzklaue 2013-07-30T16:42:01+00:00

what points? you have no serious point. your point flip flops more than a fish that was pulled to land a few moments ago.

your points apply to a lot of people here, basically anyone who didn't directly unvote BRBP and stood true to the unvote.

Tanzklaue

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Tanzklaue 2013-07-30T16:43:12+00:00

Sakura wrote:
Yeah, but your defense ended up in you attacking me when I started to consider you as scum again, why?

because your questioning seemed off to me, and then your revote on me. in my eyyes, you wouldn't have done it if you had true townintentions behind it.

Sakura

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Sakura 2013-07-30T16:47:56+00:00

Unvote
Vote: Tanzklaue
^
that's scummy?

I asked you a question, you didn't give an answer that seemed coming from pro-town, so I voted you again.

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Tanzklaue

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Tanzklaue 2013-07-30T16:51:56+00:00

you asked a question you knew I couldn't answer in a way that would've read town all over it.

but this actually doesn't lead anywhere.

Vote: Kanye
if I should survive, i could scan you. but I don't know if that would be a waste of a scan (since you probably wouldn't read me town anyway even if I confirmed you, also it's likely that you will die if you're town).

Sakura

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Sakura 2013-07-30T16:54:58+00:00

Why do you think I knew you couldn't answer?

What makes you think i'd ask you a question you couldn't answer?

If i wanted to trap you I would ask something like "If you're town why are you voting town?" or something like that.

I got a null read on Kanye, so i'm not sheeping you on that.

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Tanzklaue

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Tanzklaue 2013-07-30T16:59:58+00:00

I don't even know why you did 90% of the actions you did in this thread. I have no idea why you would try to get me to give you a reason to vote me. why would you even question me if you already unvoted me? if you don't trust me enough in the first place, don't unvote.

basically, if this continues, I will die anyway. you will die this night if you're town, and nobody gets much scum info out of it. I can't do that much more to defend myself, i already claimed, and it's up to you guys if you believe it or not.

fartownik

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fartownik 2013-07-30T17:05:57+00:00

Congrats, you spammed 5 sites with this internal discussion. Tanz-Sakura scumteam ftw.

pieguyn

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Topic Starter

pieguyn 2013-07-30T19:11:38+00:00

Votecount 1.7:

Tanzklaue (4) - Royston, Lilac, Kanye West, Sakura
Kanye West (3) - Raging Bull, fartownik, Tanzklaue
Jinxy (1) - BRBP
fartownik (1) - Jinxy

deadline is in 13:49

私はレーヴァテイルです。

Sakura

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Sakura 2013-07-30T19:17:40+00:00

So can I get a reason why you guys are voting Kanye other than "lurking"?

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Kanye West

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Kanye West 2013-07-30T19:22:45+00:00

Because farto is trying to save tanz maybe? I still think the whole back and forth between jinxy and him was planned

#callingit

Tanzklaue

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Tanzklaue 2013-07-30T19:28:58+00:00

why should he save me?

I vote kanye because I think he is scum. I gave my reason already.

fartownik

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fartownik 2013-07-30T19:35:08+00:00

Kanye West wrote:
Because farto is trying to save tanz maybe? I still think the whole back and forth between jinxy and him was planned

#callingit

#lazyscum

@Sakura: any reason NOT to vote Kanye (besides your so called suspicion towards Tanz)?

Sakura

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Sakura 2013-07-30T19:38:12+00:00

I'd think you'd be voting Kanye because he's sucm not because he's lurking.

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Tanzklaue

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Tanzklaue 2013-07-30T19:47:07+00:00

voting for kanye results in pressure for him.

pressure for him results in new information.

you had no problem at all to vote me, if you actually want to get any information, then you shouldn't keep your vote on me. sitting out the deadline doesn't help town at all, and there is nor reason why you shouldn't be able to vote me again if nothing comes up.

Sakura

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Sakura 2013-07-30T19:49:56+00:00

So ok summarzing your post:

You're voting kanye because he's lurking and you want to pressure him but you don't think he's scum.
At this point advertizing more votes on him will lead to a lynch on someone you don't think it's scum.

You can get information out of people without voting them.

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fartownik

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fartownik 2013-07-30T19:51:06+00:00

Sakura wrote:
I'd think you'd be voting Kanye because he's sucm not because he's lurking.

But this is actually his meta. He plays like this as scum, with a notice that he's probably lazy right now and posts even more half-assed stuff.

Sakura

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Sakura 2013-07-30T19:53:01+00:00

He replaced out of his game in DotA, so that's unuseful as a meta.

Do you have town meta from Kanye? Any meta accusation without the contrast is biased meta.

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Tanzklaue

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Tanzklaue 2013-07-30T19:53:10+00:00

Sakura wrote:
So ok summarzing your post:

You're voting kanye because he's lurking and you want to pressure him but you don't think he's scum.
At this point advertizing more votes on him will lead to a lynch on someone you don't think it's scum.

You can get information out of people without voting them.

are you...

I think he is scum. please, you make yourself look really ridiculous.

Sakura

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Sakura 2013-07-30T19:54:22+00:00

I did ask you if you were voting him because he was lurking or because he was scum, and that was your reply dont blame me for misrepresenting what you meant when you didn't even answer my question correctly.

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Sakura

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Sakura 2013-07-30T19:57:17+00:00

So then tell me Tanz, what do you see as scummy from him?

Sell me your case on him?

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Tanzklaue

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Tanzklaue 2013-07-30T19:58:26+00:00

btw. I looked up revivers. they can be of any alignment.

like, it's not even that rare if there is a reiver that he could be scum. just for everyone to think about it.

I vote kanye because I think he is scum, especially after his defense in which he promptly attacked me (which is a sign of being scum according to you). but well, his whole defense will kinda crumble if I flip town, since it was based around me being scum trying to make him look like my scumbuddy.

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Sakura 2013-07-30T20:02:16+00:00

Let's go back to the post where you voted him:

Tanzklaue wrote:
that said, I really want to know what kanye's take on the situation is.

Vote: Kanye

kanye, what are your takes on the recent developments and why do you hold back so much? surely there you must have an opinion on all that happened.

Did you suspect him to be scum in this post?

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Tanzklaue

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Tanzklaue 2013-07-30T20:03:33+00:00

leaning scum, because he lurked. the answer to that actually convinced me that he is scum, because if he wasn't he probably would've argued differently.

Sakura

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Sakura 2013-07-30T20:04:25+00:00

Lurking isn't a scumtell tho.

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fartownik

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fartownik 2013-07-30T20:05:17+00:00

Jesus, what's wrong with lynching a lurker? It's better to lynch him than mislynch on someone active. He's not providing any content, his posts are nothing to be considered helpful for Town. Because of this he's basically the most scummy person in the game, why not to vote him just by that?

No idea if you felt too comfy there Sakura, but protecting Kanye like that?

Sakura

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Sakura 2013-07-30T20:06:28+00:00

Let's put it this way, imagine that if I, instead of drawing attention stupidly like I did, I would have lurked throughout the day to avoid getting lynched/NK'd, that same attitude you did would have made me claim and I would be a target for a NK anyway, so then Town has an OP PR exposed who will probably die, what then?

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Tanzklaue

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Tanzklaue 2013-07-30T20:06:54+00:00

Sakura wrote:
Lurking isn't a scumtell tho.

last time I checked, lurking was one of THE big things that you would go by to find scum.

you defend him way too much. what makes you so sure that he isn't scum?

Sakura

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Sakura 2013-07-30T20:07:47+00:00

I rather go for Active scum on D1 rather than Inactive scum.

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Tanzklaue

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Tanzklaue 2013-07-30T20:08:42+00:00

Sakura wrote:
Let's put it this way, imagine that if I, instead of drawing attention stupidly like I did, I would have lurked throughout the day to avoid getting lynched/NK'd, that same attitude you did would have made me claim and I would be a target for a NK anyway, so then Town has an OP PR exposed who will probably die, what then?

so your argument is that he might be a good PR and making him claim would be dumb?

since when is clinging to PRs considered a pro-town argument?

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Sakura 2013-07-30T20:10:00+00:00

Since when lynching potential useful PRs that are lurking due to avoid Night kills is pro-town

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Tanzklaue

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Tanzklaue 2013-07-30T20:10:30+00:00

it is in 100% of the cases better to have an exposed PR as opposed to hidden scum.

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Sakura 2013-07-30T20:12:56+00:00

Hidden scum can be found in future days tho. They wont be able to remain hidden too long anyway

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Tanzklaue

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Tanzklaue 2013-07-30T20:13:10+00:00

Sakura wrote:
Since when lynching potential useful PRs that are lurking due to avoid Night kills is pro-town

since like forever. lurking people have to deal with the consequences, lurking always builds suspicion on you.

you say that kanye is a potential pro-town PR. but he also could be potential scum. you're argument is fallacious, since you can't know what he is. except you're both scum.

I think I wasn't that far off when i assumed that you fear my ability.

Tanzklaue

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Tanzklaue 2013-07-30T20:14:26+00:00

Sakura wrote:
Hidden scum can be found in future days tho. They wont be able to remain hidden too long anyway

you could find hidden scum now, as opposed to lynching a not-really-that-scummy-and-already-claimed PR.

you're arguments get really weak now, sakura.

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Sakura 2013-07-30T20:14:57+00:00

No, i don't fear your ability, but i think you're the one that's acting the scummiest of the active players, which is why I'm voting you, both you and farto's reasonings for suspecting kanye kinda sux, tho at least farto has some "sort of" validity because of said meta... even tho said meta is biased.

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Tanzklaue

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Tanzklaue 2013-07-30T20:18:07+00:00

I think you're acting the scummiest out of the active players.

also, to get back to your argument of lynching useful town PRs: I said I'm a gunsmith. gunsmiths are fairly useful town PRs. so why would you risk lynching a PR you know that is useful and not a maybe possibly useful PR?

fartownik

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fartownik 2013-07-30T20:18:25+00:00

So you have a better suspect than Kanye, Sakura? Tanz is more likely to be scum with his activity, pretty believable claim, analyzing, quick posts? Really? That makes no bloody sense. Why are you so sure Kanye is Town?

fartownik

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fartownik 2013-07-30T20:21:01+00:00

Also someone mentioned a Lover role used by pieguy in previous game. Maybe Sakura is a Lover with Kanye and she doesn't want him dead by this?

Sakura

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Sakura 2013-07-30T20:21:11+00:00

I never said I was sure kanye was town, i just rather lynch my scumread over my null read.

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Sakura

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Sakura 2013-07-30T20:24:08+00:00

Also I still don't see how is a flavor gunsmith useful at all (i never thought my flavor cop on LoL was useful in any way)

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Tanzklaue

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Tanzklaue 2013-07-30T20:25:40+00:00

Sakura wrote:
Also I still don't see how is a flavor gunsmith useful at all (i never thought my flavor cop on LoL was useful in any way)

it's a normal gunsmith. I thought it was a flavour gunsmith, since he searches for the flavour of gun.

there is only the gunsmith, and no variations. everything else would be called differently.

Tanzklaue

Joined December 2010

Tanzklaue 2013-07-30T20:26:07+00:00

*Ithought that it would be called flavour gunsmith

fartownik

Joined December 2008

fartownik 2013-07-30T20:26:16+00:00

I'm sorry, but this discussion really tired me already. I'm staying on Kanye unless someone claims fucking scum, hopefully I wake up tomorrow to see some good hammer. Good night.

Tanzklaue

Joined December 2010

Tanzklaue 2013-07-30T20:27:11+00:00

well, and I don't really see any reason to discuss this any further without input from all the guys from the other side of the planet.

VoidnOwO

Joined August 2012

VoidnOwO 2013-07-30T20:27:14+00:00

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Sakura

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Joined March 2010

Sakura 2013-07-30T20:28:14+00:00

And you got nothing else to say BRBP?

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Sakura

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Joined March 2010

Sakura 2013-07-30T20:29:25+00:00

inb4 we lynch Kanye and he turns out doctor or something, like really, you guys aren't even thinking before acting.

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Tanzklaue

Joined December 2010

Tanzklaue 2013-07-30T20:31:19+00:00

Sakura wrote:
inb4 we lynch Kanye and he turns out doctor or something, like really, you guys aren't even thinking before acting.

inb4 you lynch me and I turn gunsmith just like I said.

we don't know what kanye is, speculating what he might be is fallacious and not helpful, and it isn't an argument against him.

Sakura

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Joined March 2010

Sakura 2013-07-30T20:33:48+00:00

If you're town I can just revive you if there's a doc and I survive this night.

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Tanzklaue

Joined December 2010

Tanzklaue 2013-07-30T20:37:21+00:00

reviving me won't help you at all. my role is already gone. also speculating that you will survive the night is another assumption, and it isn't a given. if anything, if you survive the night, it will strenghthen the scumtell on you.

also, why so fixated on doctors this game? like, you asked me an awful lot about doctors. you said earlier that a doctor could rescue you. you say that kanye might be a doctor. you say again that a doctor could save you, and that this doctor might be kanye (that is what you hinted at, eh?).

Sakura

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Joined March 2010

Sakura 2013-07-30T20:40:06+00:00

Because a doctor can save me so I can revive people obviously.

@Tanz: It WILL help, but the way you're going, you're just going to run everyone to danger and force them to claim, so at this pace, what good did it do to say no to mass claiming? we already know the characters and abilities of 3 people, and you want to reveal a 4th.

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Tanzklaue

Joined December 2010

Tanzklaue 2013-07-30T20:43:21+00:00

I don't want to reveal a 4th. I want to catch scum. I think kanye is scum. a claim is normally only the last resort, if nothing else helps anymore. anybody you'll try to lynch will claim sooner or later, since everyone has a PR. not going after scum because they might be a useful PR is just not an good argument.

Sakura

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Joined March 2010

Sakura 2013-07-30T20:43:55+00:00

Tanzklaue wrote:
I don't want to reveal a 4th. I want to catch scum. I think kanye is scum. a claim is normally only the last resort, if nothing else helps anymore. anybody you'll try to lynch will claim sooner or later, since everyone has a PR. not going after scum because they might be a useful PR is just not an good argument.

Like you?

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Tanzklaue

Joined December 2010

Tanzklaue 2013-07-30T20:45:31+00:00

no, because I am not scum.

it actually doesn't help to discuss anything with you. I will wait until RB, lilac etc. come back and post their opinions. they will basically decide what happens from now on.

Sakura

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Joined March 2010

Sakura 2013-07-30T20:47:56+00:00

Tanzklaue wrote:
no, because I am not scum.

Oh really! How interesting.

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Sakura

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Joined March 2010

Sakura 2013-07-30T20:50:24+00:00

You're the same as kanye... you MIGHT be a useful town PR, or you MIGHT be an useless scum PR. I might be a useful Town PR, or I might be a useful scum PR, there's simply no way of telling, i'm just going by your attitude so far which seems to stem on wanting to deflect onto one of the inactives, kanye.

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Kitsunemimi

Joined April 2009

Kitsunemimi 2013-07-30T20:51:38+00:00

....I honestly think this has gotten too far...

Sakura

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Joined March 2010

Sakura 2013-07-30T20:52:58+00:00

just because I'm death tunneling Tanz to figure his alignment?

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Kitsunemimi

Joined April 2009

Kitsunemimi 2013-07-30T20:59:18+00:00

You guys haven't really proven anything in the last few pages, it was just a straight back-and-forth argument. At this rate, you guys are just making yourself look worse imo. Sometimes it's better to just step back and rethink your strategy, no?

I'll agree with you that Tanz still looks pretty suspicious, his claim was kinda weird, and going after lurkers instead isn't really the best thing to do. But since you've been hammering away so hard on him, it's made it really hard for other people to post. At least, I personally couldn't come up with much to say. We need consensus to lynch people, right? So let's wait a bit and have a listen on what other people think?

fartownik

Joined December 2008

fartownik 2013-07-30T21:01:45+00:00

Last posts before heading to the bed.

Look at the page 31. Then look at the total amount of pages. 38-31 = 7. You have been fighting with Tanz for 7 pages straight, don't you think a solution would already be found if there was an actual one for this? I really feel sorry for the people that are gonna wake up to this and have to read through it all, making some sense out of it.

Kitsunemimi

Joined April 2009

Kitsunemimi 2013-07-30T21:03:46+00:00

;~;

Sakura

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Joined March 2010

Sakura 2013-07-30T21:03:57+00:00

Those 7 pages helped me figure out Tanz stances and reasons, so they aren't a waste.

You never replied to my statement regarding kanye's town meta tho

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VoidnOwO

Joined August 2012

VoidnOwO 2013-07-30T21:04:22+00:00

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VoidnOwO

Joined August 2012

VoidnOwO 2013-07-30T21:05:15+00:00

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Sakura

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Joined March 2010

Sakura 2013-07-30T21:06:57+00:00

BRBP wrote:
Right, Kanye...

I'd rather lynch scummy people instead of inactive people first.

That's EXACTLY what i've been trying to say those 7 pages, OMG someone that understands has appeared.

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fartownik

Joined December 2008

fartownik 2013-07-30T21:11:53+00:00

omg Sakura + BRBP scumteam

Kitsunemimi

Joined April 2009

Kitsunemimi 2013-07-30T21:15:54+00:00

The problem is that I'm not sure if Tanz is scummy enough for us to be so focused on him. I don't really feel like looking for it, but Kanye said something like "acting scummy =/= actually being scum". In the end, because of this uncertainty, the likelihood of either Tanz or Kanye flipping town is probably somewhat similar - that is, I'm almost equally unsure of whether Kanye is scum as I am unsure of Tanz. Of course, to me, Tanz is more scummy, but not everyone agrees...

Raging Bull

Joined June 2010

Raging Bull 2013-07-30T21:16:43+00:00

I voted for Kanye based on how he played in DotA, granted there wasn't much.

@Kanye, then actually start posting more instead of popping in after every prod.

fartownik wrote:
I really feel sorry for the people that are gonna wake up to this and have to read through it all, making some sense out of it.

Truthfully, I only read up to like page 34.

@Sakura, did you honestly get anything out of it? Or are you still just tunnelling the hell out of Tanz? Honestly, only thing I agreed was the claim and how odd it was for Tanz to claim gunsmith and then got confused the hell out his own "role" , but other than that, during your back and forth argument, did you honestly get anything at all? What is your stance on Tanz then?

I think for the time being, my current suspects are Tanz/Sakura. To me, one is probably scum. Tunnelling the hell out of a useful player? Or Roleclaiming but doesn't seem like he knows his own role? Both.....maybe scum but a very low chance. I don't think anyone would argue for 7 pages and be scum buddies.

Kanye for his general activity here. The only time he tends to post is after a prod. He's saying he's actually busy during DotA but this time, you can see he obviously moderates his own game.

BRBP to me is just.....i don't know. His actions weren't justified and just because he's a dayvig doesn't confirm he's town I suppose. Honestly, even I used the wiki when I was checking dayvig. Maybe pieguy isn't a bastard mod, but you'll never know. Of course I could be wrong.

Sakura

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Joined March 2010

Sakura 2013-07-30T21:16:44+00:00

Exactly, you must look at intent, which is why I'm voting Tanz.

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Kitsunemimi

Joined April 2009

Kitsunemimi 2013-07-30T21:16:46+00:00

I'm also reminded that if we're all really unsure, then it's still possible to go for No Lynch, but that might not be such a good idea after all...?

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