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Kanye West
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Kinda weird how you unvoted me if you still have a null read on me tbh.

And massclaiming is a very bad idea, even if we say whether we are a PR or not. It'll help scum more than town, as by this point, scum will probably have enough time to come up with a good fakeclaim (I'm pretty sure everyone here, or almost everyone, knows enough about Touhou characters to come up with a good fakeclaim anyways).

@Kitsunemimi keep in mind many roles can be town or mafia. Even if we MC, it may not even help town decide a lynch.
Sakura
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Kanye gets town points for analysis.
Kitsunemimi
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Kanye West wrote:

@Kitsunemimi keep in mind many roles can be town or mafia. Even if we MC, it may not even help town decide a lynch.

Kitsunemimi wrote:

I just don't think it's reliable enough to be worth revealing all our roles.
You basically repeated what I said in my earlier posts actually.
Kitsunemimi
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Unless you meant for that to be directed at NoHItter, in which case, yeah, exactly :o
Kanye West
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Kitsunemimi wrote:

On top of this, not all of the Touhou characters fit with the mafia roles perfectly, yet can be paired with them anyways because we only offered 3 characters each to pieguy.
oh I was replying to this, pretty much just saying that even though a character may suggest a town alignment, it can be given a role that can be town or mafia.
Lilac
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Kanye gave a reason...

...You just kinda gave a...reliability issue... You know...?
Kitsunemimi
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@Kanye: Oh, when I said "mafia", I meant the game as a whole, not the specific alignment >.<

And Lilac, a reliability issue IS a reason not to massclaim. Well at least that was what I was trying to point out.
Tanzklaue
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also pieguy can get pretty creative, and many characters could be multiple things.
Kitsunemimi
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Woo hoo another double post (maybe)

Anyways, we agree on not mass claiming right? Because it can cause problems, and has "reliability issues".

The thing is, I've still barely played any mafia, so I don't know where exactly to go from here.
Sakura
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Kitsunemimi wrote:

Anyways, we agree on not mass claiming right?
Not on D1 no.
Raging Bull
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Woke up.

So don't wanna sound like broken record, but I don't think mass claiming would be beneficial at all, especially what Kanye said.


Although personally I'm rather suspicious on Sakura. Scumpainting NH, and townreading other people. it seems like she's just trying to get towncred early on in the game.

@Sakura, you haven't answered Nh's question. Why do you think he's scum and Tanz is town? What did you read to think they are scum/town? I'm actually reading NH more town than you are. His questioning on you and your reads without reasoning perhaps made you nervous a bit.

Sakura wrote:

I townread fartownik because of noticing the blatant sheeping I did
I mean truthfully, you blatantly said "sheeping to fart" who the hell cannot see it? (besides people who don't read the thread :( )

Tanzklaue wrote:

I'm conditioned now to always feel like a lightning stroke me down whenever someone wants to massclaim day 1.
Sounds cool.
Sakura
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RB: have you ever heard of reaction tests?
Raging Bull
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I was not aware that ignoring a question is a reaction test.
Sakura
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Raging Bull wrote:

I was not aware that ignoring a question is a reaction test.
No, the reads were, tbh the only person im townreading atm is Kanye.
Raging Bull
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Wait what? Now you aren't townreading Tanz/fart?
Sakura
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Raging Bull wrote:

Wait what? Now you aren't townreading Tanz/fart?
I never did, are you even reading? I wanted to gauge reactions from people to me townreading fart outta nowhere.
Lilac
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Sakura wrote:

So here's some discussion.

I got a townread on fartownik, discuss!
It seems like I can't read...or understand sarcasm...

I don't even know.
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull wrote:

I mean truthfully, you blatantly said "sheeping to fart" who the hell cannot see it? (besides people who don't read the thread :( )
Not enough sleep.
Lilac
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You made it sound quite like a legitimate statement, pretty nice though...

...Umm, I thought breakfast would help but it doesn't seem like it...uhh... Let me get back to what I think when I can actually think...
Jinxy
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Ok so I am getting kinda confused with Sakura right now

Sakura wrote:

Raging Bull wrote:

Wait what? Now you aren't townreading Tanz/fart?
I never did, are you even reading? I wanted to gauge reactions from people to me townreading fart outta nowhere.

Sakura wrote:

I townread fartownik because of noticing the blatant sheeping I did, and I asked to discuss that so we got out of RVS fast and we can start hunting information, and I love how I already got some reactions from my point of discussion.

Leaning Town: fartownik, Tanz
Leaning Scum: NH.
Null: Everyone else.

And no massclaiming PRs is not a good idea to hunt information.
This post was after Sakura's reaction test and she never talked about it not being real until RB called her out and she just explained it as a "reaction test".

So just what exactly are you really saying that is real? You seem to be saying stuff and then backing out and explaining it away as you were "just testing" when you get called out upon.
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Everything until that post, including that post was reaction testing, I wanted to see how people would react to my reads out of nowhere or silly reasons, i thought i explained that already?
Jinxy
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Well, you explained some, but you never touched on the fart/Tanz.


From NH's post:

NoHitter wrote:

Sakura wrote:

I townread fartownik because of noticing the blatant sheeping I did, and I asked to discuss that so we got out of RVS fast and we can start hunting information, and I love how I already got some reactions from my point of discussion.

Leaning Town: fartownik, Tanz
Leaning Scum: NH.
Null: Everyone else.

And no massclaiming PRs is not a good idea to hunt information.
Care to tell us why Tanz is leaning town, and I'm leaning scum? <Not Answered, specifically the underlined part>

Sakura wrote:

So NH care to tell me why you think it would work, in the most likely scenario that we are all PRs?

Or did you want to claim everyone's abilities so you and your scumbuddies take out the most OP ones?
Nice scumpainting there. <Answered>
On the last post of page 10, you talked about gauging reactions on townreading fart in reply to RB, and specifically ignored Tanz, too.
Rantai
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Good "morning".

NoHitter wrote:

Hi guys.
Two's method again? It worked last time :D
You know I feel like NH is trying to meta game this time (with specific mention to his statement last game - he's town if he suggests something ridiculous). Then again I don't really like meta so I'm taking it with a grain of salt.

Following up though, no thank you to massclaim. Day 2 (due to actual actions being made) maybe but day 1 gives the mafia a better chance at organising their actions based on claims.
Lilac
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Okay, here's what I have to say.

Kitsunemimi wrote:

fartownik wrote:

I'm all for not claiming the exact roles in this game. This is different than Stack the Deck. The only thing we should do is to half-claim
Tbh I'm pretty sure everyone is PR, this is Touhou after all.

In the first Touhou PyP, also hosted by pieguy, everyone was PR too.
Incorrect, Salvage was normal Mafia Goon. However, I'm pretty sure pieguy actually made everyone PR now, at least that was what we learnt when we did the first Touhou game.

I also do not like how NoHitter wanted to go for a "Two method" approach. What happened to those RQSs that you did so long ago? Why bring up someone else's way of scumhunting when you can just use your own and still be perfectly viable?

The reason why I think we should not claim or even half-claim as farto states is that it simply anyone could still be mafia. I trust pieguy is very story heavy so anyone who comes across Flandre, a vampire who can destroy anything...any character in the Touhou series would probably want her dead, there would be no need to fakeclaim since anyone can claim anything and we're back at square one for town and a whole buncha choices for mafia.

Also, a Rantai.
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Rantai wrote:

You know I feel like NH is trying to meta game this time (with specific mention to his statement last game - he's town if he suggests something ridiculous). Then again I don't really like meta so I'm taking it with a grain of salt.
Just trying to be consistent with my meta :P

Lilac wrote:

I also do not like how NoHitter wanted to go for a "Two method" approach. What happened to those RQSs that you did so long ago? Why bring up someone else's way of scumhunting when you can just use your own and still be perfectly viable?
Because I discovered RQS to be ineffective. People would just answer the questions then activity would drop after that.

RE:Massclaim
Well I suppose that we can't proceed today with that many people not wanting to claim.
If we are to claim though, I suggest claiming in two parts. That way we get two chances to catch someone.
i.e. If someone claims Role A, and someone else claims Role A too OR if someone claims Character A, and someone claims character A too.

FoS: Sakura Hana
Sakura's acting pretty suspicious IMO.
Avoiding questions, and justifying everything by saying it was a "reaction test".
Royston
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Hello everyone. It's probably pretty obvious that I've been sitting back at this stage, but if anyone has any questions, I'll do my best to answer them.
Sakura
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Jinxy: i thought i already said that i wasnt leaning town on Tanz and all my reads at that point where a reaction test.

NH: Fair enough i know my methods always get me suspected (and sometimes even lynched) D1, but hey i still like them.
Jinxy
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And I'm saying that you did not say you "[weren't] leaning town on Tanz and all [your] reads at that point [were] a reaction test" until you were called out on it by RB andused it to explain why you didn't answer the question
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And Royston, after reading the thread, what is your opinion / who stands out to you as scummy as of now? Provide reasons please. (e.g. what posts and why it make you think like that)
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Obviously i'm the scummiest person here, but disregarding the fact that what i did may look scummy, you cannot deny it sparked discussion that isn't related to NH's massclaim.
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Jinxy wrote:

And Royston, after reading the thread, what is your opinion / who stands out to you as scummy as of now? Provide reasons please. (e.g. what posts and why it make you think like that)
Let's see.

Tanzklaue wrote:

this is pyp, and also touhou. I think it's a safe bet that everyone is a PR

Tanzklaue wrote:

I am pretty convinced that everyone is a PR
This seems like a pretty big assumption to make without evidence, so it seems kind of odd to me. Not necessarily scummy, but odd.

OP wrote:

After signing up, please send me a forum pm with the names of 3 Touhou characters. I'll pick one of those characters, with a matching-ish ability to be your role.
note how it states " matching-ish ability to be your role" rather than simply "an ability and a role". But semantics.


regarding Sakura

Sakura wrote:

Everything will come with time, i wanna hear everyone's thoughts on why i'm townreading you to see if everyone's seeing the same thing i'm seeing..
in particular this statement earlier on confused the hell out of me and seems a werid way to start discussion? With that said, I also don't know why scum would want to draw attention to theselves like that so early on anyway, so meh
fartownik
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We do not massclaim. Let's say that officially. We also don't do a half-massclaim as most people are also against it, but we have to establish we're all PRs. If Mafias are not PRs then it's fine because they're not gonna shoot each other.

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Vote: JInxy
Raging Bull
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fart x Sakura scum team yay.
fartownik
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Raging Bull wrote:

fart x Sakura scum team yay.
Would you tell me why you think so
Raging Bull
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Seems like after Jinxy started going on Sakura a little more, you voting for Jinxy as a way to protect her. I don't think you really even questioned her after she said she got a town read on you.
fartownik
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I voted JInxy for his behavior only, I didn't care who in person he accused. He jumped from nowhere with an accusation on Sakura. No opinions about anything/anyone else, straight into 'being confused' about Sakura. Simply a way to post something looking-productive, but not really well done.
fartownik
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Also I don't have a towntell on Sakura anyhow. She might be scum as well, even in a JInxy-Sakura lineup. The reaction tests were not towncred since she does them in all games, they were not enough to be a scumtell too, thus JInxy.
Lilac
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I have this odd sense of deja vu from what farto said.

Except it's a bit different.
Raging Bull
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Okay, I cannot deny that, but what do you think about Sakura? Do you honestly think about her "reads" were more town read than starting discussion?

Also I'm wrong, apparently you did ask her a question. 1.
Raging Bull
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WHAT THE FUCK. Fart answer my question before I posted.


vote:Fart
fartownik
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Sakura did some weird stuff here, and I can't really tell if it was Town or scum yet. Her read on me in the first post was correct, so I was more leaning for Town in her. But later she went on with the 'reactiontestception' stuff, thus made me vague about that.
Raging Bull
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imo seems weird how you easily accepted her town read on you.
Jinxy
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When I woke up, the whole massclaim discussion was pretty much done. For the record, I don't agree with massclaiming either, because the info at this point doesn't usually help town while it gives mafia more than enough information to plan out night actions, what I hoped it would achieve in StD.

The only other thing that caught my attention is RB's and Sakura's conversation so I brought it up. Sakura then proceeded to claim "reaction testing" in order to dodge NH's question (key thing here is that she never talked about the "testing" until she was called out for not answering questions) so obviously I wasn't going to let that slide and pressed further.
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@JInxy: mind sharing your reads on everyone?
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The massclaim discussion on a whole is pretty null, and only people that have talked about anything other than the massclaim are me, Lilac, NH, RB, Royston, Sakura and farto.

Lilac felt like he was scumpainting me a little with this post, but it's still kinda null to me.

NH is null, but confusing. His following of his meta is slightly scummy to me since suggesting a massclaim can be easily done by either scum or town so it looks like he's trying to play his "risky suggestion -> town" card without actually causing any harm to his team if he was scum, yet he casually admitted it to Rantai so I'm not really sure what to think.

Sakura is leaning scum due to question avoidance and convenient excuses, covered all that already.

RB is sorta null, maybe a little town for calling Sakura out but he also suddenly stopped so I'm putting him in null for now.

Ironically, I felt you jumped on me pretty suddenly too. At that point only the MC and Sakura's conversation were the main sticking topics and the former was more or less done as I said. This post also felt a little like a backtrack by trying to distance yourself from Sakura, so you're leaning scum for me.
Jinxy
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Whoops, forgot Royston. He's still null to me, his posts weren't particularly useful in any way.
Sakura
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Well those reads kinda sux, everyone is null to scum!
Tanzklaue
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it's still day 1, the reads can't possibly fleshed out.

besides, what is the problem with having no townread? as long as not everyone is null, the reads aren't useless. and even a full null read can have interesting aspects.
Raging Bull
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Sakura wrote:

Well those reads kinda sux, everyone is null to scum!

Jinxy wrote:

Sakura is leaning scum due to question avoidance and convenient excuses, covered all that already.

:( Read Sakura.
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BRBP wrote:

Hi guys,
I won't participate in that massclaim.

Good night.
in other news, deep sleep.
Sakura
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Yeah, i'd think if you're giving out a reads list you'd have more than that, but it seems to me like he was just fishing for town cred, i'm starting to get some suspicious of JInxy.
Jinxy
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Well excuse me princess, fartownik asked for it in case you didn't notice
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Jinxy wrote:

Well excuse me princess, fartownik asked for it in case you didn't notice
+1 town cred right there.
Tanzklaue
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scum doesn't read.

sakura, i start to get suspicious of you.
Kitsunemimi
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I honestly wish I could say more, but I just feel like we're not really getting anywhere right now ._.

Something I noticed, NH's massclaim idea was already denied by Tanz, fart, and Sakura pretty early on, yet he continued to insist on it for a fair bit. Though he might've just thought that since it's Touhou, it might have a better chance of working (since roles are also associated with characters). However, even after the massclaiming was blatantly denied by other people such as myself and Kanye, he still goes and says

NoHitter wrote:

If we are to claim though, I suggest claiming in two parts. That way we get two chances to catch someone.
i.e. If someone claims Role A, and someone else claims Role A too OR if someone claims Character A, and someone claims character A too.
I didn't fully understand what he meant by this, but I still think that mentioning this was somewhat unnecessary.

I really can't see anything in fartownik, don't know what to think of him.

Sakura, of course, is feeling really suspicious. After all of that "reaction testing" where are you going to go from there? I still haven't seen much from you since the reaction testing aside from getting townread in Kanye. Speaking of which, Kanye getting town points for analysis seemed really random and out of the blue, since he only made one post. Unless of course, we're still "reaction testing".
Sakura's excuse for his scummy behaviour is that even though his methods make him scummy, he still likes them. Okay, fine, are your methods working then? Do you have any sort of results?

I'm slowly beginning to want to see something from BRBP.
Raging Bull
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well I'm going to sleep so I hope you guys post a lot without me so I can post to myself when I'm awake and you guys are all asleep.
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Sakura is definitely pinging me.
Not only is she blatantly admitting to being scummy, but she's also continuing to dig her own grave.
I'm starting to smell a Jester here.

@Harris73
I was just stating how the massclaim should proceed when it does.
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Votecount 1.2:

NoHItter (1) - Kanye West
Jinxy (1) -fartownik
Sakura
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Nah i missed fartownik's question, and nope i'm not reaction testing anymore. Raging Bull is bothering me latching onto the weakest things to place suspicion, like scum looking for the weakest target to attack.
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^
I meant tanz my bad
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Also more people need to start voting... LIKE ME!
Vote: Tanz
Kitsunemimi
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But the only thing that he explicitly stated was suspicious was that you didn't read that farto asked Jinxy for a readlist. For all we know, he could just be suspicious of you because he agrees with some of the things that other people have mentioned in this thread. That said, the fact that he hasn't posted much of his personal observations could also indicate something.

Also, NH please don't call me Harris73 any more. I changed my name for a reason, and some people won't even recognize it since it doesn't show in your profile anymore.
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and on what exactly do you base that vote?
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nvm understood what you said.
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I'm suspecting you (sakura) for your actions you have taken so far.

the whole "reaction testing" just seems odd, your questionavoiding is downright anti-town, and now your voting of me seems like you want to provoke me to countervote you (on which you'd call OMGUS) or do some other dumb shit. I didn't even vote her, yet she still feels sort of threatened by a mere suspicion of mine.

won't vote her, because that play could really fit on to a jester (the "more guys should vote" thingy she said seems fishy too, after all the discussion encouragement you would think that she wanted the discussions to draw out a lil' bit longer until more people posted stuff).

@Kitsunemimi: I can provide you my reads if you want, but I am new to this whole mafiabusiness (one game finished, the second botched from the start, this is my third), so they are prone to change and unreliability.
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Either Sakura is sure she can prove herself Town in the future (i.e. claiming Mason) or she's Jester, because she acts pretty crazy (SAKURA ON ACID).

The second might be possible, but it might be a also a play so we don't lynch her and she's actually scum with NoHitter whom bring the idea of it.
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if we have a cop or cop-like roll, then it should maybe check sakura out. since we can't act on her if we don't know whether she is scum or jester.
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:)
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Unvote
Vote: Sakura
Fine for me. We can't base only on the possibility of the Cop, though it's high possible we have one or one cop-like.
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Tanz if you really suspect me i'd suggest you vote me, even light suspicions need to be backed up with votes at this point, votes and wagons cause reactions and force people to start taking stances, which leaves scum less places to hide.

Kitsunemimi: Yeah i avoided the questions, so what? i didnt have answers since they all came from a silly reaction test.

Also the scummier i look the better for me, how did you know?
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As a clarification for that, the scummier i look the better for me, not because i'm a Jester but for other reasons.
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so you think getting yourself lynched is useful to town?
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Tanzklaue wrote:

so you think getting yourself lynched is useful to town?
Not lynched, just suspicious.. also drawing votes towards me is also part of my plan.
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I can have a couple of guesses as to why the 'scummy' look can be 'beneficial'.

@Sakura: You do realise no matter the role you have, you're hurting town because all eyes are focused on you, right?
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It will all make sense come D2...

The funny part is that I never explained my reaction test, then people are just writing it off as scummy instead of asking questions, I bet there's at least 1 scum voting me already.
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so under what circumstances can it be beneficial for town to just suspect one guy and vote him/her?
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I could imagine that drawing unsuspecting scum out for a quicklynchwould be one of them.
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Tanzklaue wrote:

so under what circumstances can it be beneficial for town to just suspect one guy and vote him/her?
Explaining that would throw my plan away, sorry. It would make scum wary of what NOT to do.
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Tanzklaue wrote:

so under what circumstances can it be beneficial for town to just suspect one guy and vote him/her?
Almost zero.


Out of Sakura, farto, Jinx and Tanz. That group has at least one or more at least has an anti-town role.

The other group, BRBP, Rantai and Royston, one of them at least has an anti-town role as well.

Reason? Polar opposites really, vocal mafia and silent mafia. That's my gut feeling anyway and it does not help me one bit.
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Sakura wrote:

Tanzklaue wrote:

so under what circumstances can it be beneficial for town to just suspect one guy and vote him/her?
Explaining that would throw my plan away, sorry. It would make scum wary of what NOT to do.
you already did that kind of thing in other games.

you ended up telling the plan anyway since someone figured keyparts out of it I think? and because you got pressured too far.
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If you wanna know you'll have to run me up to L-1 and force me to claim, until then...
The grass is green, the sky is starry and the circle of life begins anew...
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue
or i read up the game you did that before and go figure it out from there.


which i will do now.
Sakura
osu! Alumni
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Sakura
This might help: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Sakura_Hana
Kanye West
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Kanye West
unvote

Going to read what happened so far and then post, I've been afk the entire day.
Kitsunemimi
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Joined April 2009
Kitsunemimi
Sakura is getting weirder and weirder ._.

The one thing I'm getting from this is that there's no way a mafia member could want to draw that much attention to themselves like that right from the start. I could be wrong, but it just seems like an unlikely thing. Of course that obviously doesn't just make her town. Sakura says that the 'scummier she looks, the better'. And she's not a jester. I'm sorry, but what? She also says that it'll all be explained on D2.

So she's trying to draw attention to herself, and she seems to be doing a good job of it. Her reason for this is to expose scum, but the fact that she says 'it'll all make sense come D2' tells me she's obviously hiding something. I'm not convinced that she's acting *for* the town right now, so I'm thinking that it might actually be better to ignore her and stop doing exactly what she wants us to do. I want to find out what this whole thing is about on D2 too, in case she happens to be town for whatever reason, so it might also be a smart idea to not lynch her today. Any thoughts? I'm rather unsure about this myself.

If Sakura has nothing to say about this come D2, then maybe we should lynch her then.
fartownik
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Joined December 2008
fartownik
She might be Lynchproof bringing attention, getting lynched and not dying. Then D2 seeing who voted her and looking for scum in that group.

If this is so, then it's invalid. You can get lynched right now without votes from scum easily for your current behavior.
Sakura
osu! Alumni
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Sakura
Kitsunemimi: And why can't I be scum trying to achieve not getting lynched by purposefully drawing attention to me and getting that exact same reaction from you?
fartownik
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fartownik
Or maybe she's just bringing shitload of attention because she's Mafia and every game she was Mafia she got lynched D1 because of unwanted attention she radiated.
fartownik
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fartownik
Jeez, why you ninja me.
Sakura
osu! Alumni
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Sakura
Yeah exactly, and since you got the exact same thought process I have, i do believe you are town now farto.
Kitsunemimi
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Kitsunemimi
I know of the possibility that she could be mafia but if she's not then it would be a really dumb mislynch imo.

If people still want to lynch Sakura then I have nothing against that, it's just that it seems too obvious.
fartownik
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Joined December 2008
fartownik
inb4 Paranoid Gun Owner scum and every damn PR tries to target Sakura tonight.
Kitsunemimi
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Joined April 2009
Kitsunemimi
EBWOP: There should be plenty sufficient reasoning for the lynch of course.
Kitsunemimi
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Kitsunemimi
Oh god that just looked incredibly stupid I should stop posting while trying to eat.
Sakura
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Sakura
My goal with my stupid reaction test was to get town of the RVS as fast as possible, i've said that plenty of times already, is there anything else on me?
fartownik
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fartownik

Sakura wrote:

My goal with my stupid reaction test was to get town of the RVS as fast as possible, i've said that plenty of times already, is there anything else on me?
Yeah, and we got out of it suspecting you mostly :f
Raging Bull
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Joined June 2010
Raging Bull
But we were already out of it by discussing mass claim vs no mass claim.
Sakura
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Sakura

fartownik wrote:

Sakura wrote:

My goal with my stupid reaction test was to get town of the RVS as fast as possible, i've said that plenty of times already, is there anything else on me?
Yeah, and we got out of it suspecting you mostly :f
For what reason?

RB: I dont believe that would have gotten anything more other than a "yeah" or "nope"
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
imo, discussion looked pretty nice at first, but with your claim on fart, it is hard to even know how it wiould have been in the first place. NH looked liek he would keep discussion going.
Sakura
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Sakura

Raging Bull wrote:

imo, discussion looked pretty nice at first, but with your claim on fart, it is hard to even know how it wiould have been in the first place. NH looked liek he would keep discussion going.
If he really wanted to keep that discussion going then he should be being voted right now, that discussion would have been very detrimental to town because obv the townies with the better abilities would be right out rejecting something like that, and scum would know where to start shooting.
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