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Jinxy
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Well, you explained some, but you never touched on the fart/Tanz.


From NH's post:

NoHitter wrote:

Sakura wrote:

I townread fartownik because of noticing the blatant sheeping I did, and I asked to discuss that so we got out of RVS fast and we can start hunting information, and I love how I already got some reactions from my point of discussion.

Leaning Town: fartownik, Tanz
Leaning Scum: NH.
Null: Everyone else.

And no massclaiming PRs is not a good idea to hunt information.
Care to tell us why Tanz is leaning town, and I'm leaning scum? <Not Answered, specifically the underlined part>

Sakura wrote:

So NH care to tell me why you think it would work, in the most likely scenario that we are all PRs?

Or did you want to claim everyone's abilities so you and your scumbuddies take out the most OP ones?
Nice scumpainting there. <Answered>
On the last post of page 10, you talked about gauging reactions on townreading fart in reply to RB, and specifically ignored Tanz, too.
Rantai
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Good "morning".

NoHitter wrote:

Hi guys.
Two's method again? It worked last time :D
You know I feel like NH is trying to meta game this time (with specific mention to his statement last game - he's town if he suggests something ridiculous). Then again I don't really like meta so I'm taking it with a grain of salt.

Following up though, no thank you to massclaim. Day 2 (due to actual actions being made) maybe but day 1 gives the mafia a better chance at organising their actions based on claims.
Lilac
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Okay, here's what I have to say.

Kitsunemimi wrote:

fartownik wrote:

I'm all for not claiming the exact roles in this game. This is different than Stack the Deck. The only thing we should do is to half-claim
Tbh I'm pretty sure everyone is PR, this is Touhou after all.

In the first Touhou PyP, also hosted by pieguy, everyone was PR too.
Incorrect, Salvage was normal Mafia Goon. However, I'm pretty sure pieguy actually made everyone PR now, at least that was what we learnt when we did the first Touhou game.

I also do not like how NoHitter wanted to go for a "Two method" approach. What happened to those RQSs that you did so long ago? Why bring up someone else's way of scumhunting when you can just use your own and still be perfectly viable?

The reason why I think we should not claim or even half-claim as farto states is that it simply anyone could still be mafia. I trust pieguy is very story heavy so anyone who comes across Flandre, a vampire who can destroy anything...any character in the Touhou series would probably want her dead, there would be no need to fakeclaim since anyone can claim anything and we're back at square one for town and a whole buncha choices for mafia.

Also, a Rantai.
NoHitter
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Rantai wrote:

You know I feel like NH is trying to meta game this time (with specific mention to his statement last game - he's town if he suggests something ridiculous). Then again I don't really like meta so I'm taking it with a grain of salt.
Just trying to be consistent with my meta :P

Lilac wrote:

I also do not like how NoHitter wanted to go for a "Two method" approach. What happened to those RQSs that you did so long ago? Why bring up someone else's way of scumhunting when you can just use your own and still be perfectly viable?
Because I discovered RQS to be ineffective. People would just answer the questions then activity would drop after that.

RE:Massclaim
Well I suppose that we can't proceed today with that many people not wanting to claim.
If we are to claim though, I suggest claiming in two parts. That way we get two chances to catch someone.
i.e. If someone claims Role A, and someone else claims Role A too OR if someone claims Character A, and someone claims character A too.

FoS: Sakura Hana
Sakura's acting pretty suspicious IMO.
Avoiding questions, and justifying everything by saying it was a "reaction test".
Royston
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Hello everyone. It's probably pretty obvious that I've been sitting back at this stage, but if anyone has any questions, I'll do my best to answer them.
Sakura
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Jinxy: i thought i already said that i wasnt leaning town on Tanz and all my reads at that point where a reaction test.

NH: Fair enough i know my methods always get me suspected (and sometimes even lynched) D1, but hey i still like them.
Jinxy
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And I'm saying that you did not say you "[weren't] leaning town on Tanz and all [your] reads at that point [were] a reaction test" until you were called out on it by RB andused it to explain why you didn't answer the question
Jinxy
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And Royston, after reading the thread, what is your opinion / who stands out to you as scummy as of now? Provide reasons please. (e.g. what posts and why it make you think like that)
Sakura
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Obviously i'm the scummiest person here, but disregarding the fact that what i did may look scummy, you cannot deny it sparked discussion that isn't related to NH's massclaim.
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Jinxy wrote:

And Royston, after reading the thread, what is your opinion / who stands out to you as scummy as of now? Provide reasons please. (e.g. what posts and why it make you think like that)
Let's see.

Tanzklaue wrote:

this is pyp, and also touhou. I think it's a safe bet that everyone is a PR

Tanzklaue wrote:

I am pretty convinced that everyone is a PR
This seems like a pretty big assumption to make without evidence, so it seems kind of odd to me. Not necessarily scummy, but odd.

OP wrote:

After signing up, please send me a forum pm with the names of 3 Touhou characters. I'll pick one of those characters, with a matching-ish ability to be your role.
note how it states " matching-ish ability to be your role" rather than simply "an ability and a role". But semantics.


regarding Sakura

Sakura wrote:

Everything will come with time, i wanna hear everyone's thoughts on why i'm townreading you to see if everyone's seeing the same thing i'm seeing..
in particular this statement earlier on confused the hell out of me and seems a werid way to start discussion? With that said, I also don't know why scum would want to draw attention to theselves like that so early on anyway, so meh
fartownik
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We do not massclaim. Let's say that officially. We also don't do a half-massclaim as most people are also against it, but we have to establish we're all PRs. If Mafias are not PRs then it's fine because they're not gonna shoot each other.

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Raging Bull
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fart x Sakura scum team yay.
fartownik
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Raging Bull wrote:

fart x Sakura scum team yay.
Would you tell me why you think so
Raging Bull
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Seems like after Jinxy started going on Sakura a little more, you voting for Jinxy as a way to protect her. I don't think you really even questioned her after she said she got a town read on you.
fartownik
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I voted JInxy for his behavior only, I didn't care who in person he accused. He jumped from nowhere with an accusation on Sakura. No opinions about anything/anyone else, straight into 'being confused' about Sakura. Simply a way to post something looking-productive, but not really well done.
fartownik
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Also I don't have a towntell on Sakura anyhow. She might be scum as well, even in a JInxy-Sakura lineup. The reaction tests were not towncred since she does them in all games, they were not enough to be a scumtell too, thus JInxy.
Lilac
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I have this odd sense of deja vu from what farto said.

Except it's a bit different.
Raging Bull
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Okay, I cannot deny that, but what do you think about Sakura? Do you honestly think about her "reads" were more town read than starting discussion?

Also I'm wrong, apparently you did ask her a question. 1.
Raging Bull
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WHAT THE FUCK. Fart answer my question before I posted.


vote:Fart
fartownik
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Sakura did some weird stuff here, and I can't really tell if it was Town or scum yet. Her read on me in the first post was correct, so I was more leaning for Town in her. But later she went on with the 'reactiontestception' stuff, thus made me vague about that.
Raging Bull
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imo seems weird how you easily accepted her town read on you.
Jinxy
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When I woke up, the whole massclaim discussion was pretty much done. For the record, I don't agree with massclaiming either, because the info at this point doesn't usually help town while it gives mafia more than enough information to plan out night actions, what I hoped it would achieve in StD.

The only other thing that caught my attention is RB's and Sakura's conversation so I brought it up. Sakura then proceeded to claim "reaction testing" in order to dodge NH's question (key thing here is that she never talked about the "testing" until she was called out for not answering questions) so obviously I wasn't going to let that slide and pressed further.
fartownik
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@JInxy: mind sharing your reads on everyone?
Jinxy
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The massclaim discussion on a whole is pretty null, and only people that have talked about anything other than the massclaim are me, Lilac, NH, RB, Royston, Sakura and farto.

Lilac felt like he was scumpainting me a little with this post, but it's still kinda null to me.

NH is null, but confusing. His following of his meta is slightly scummy to me since suggesting a massclaim can be easily done by either scum or town so it looks like he's trying to play his "risky suggestion -> town" card without actually causing any harm to his team if he was scum, yet he casually admitted it to Rantai so I'm not really sure what to think.

Sakura is leaning scum due to question avoidance and convenient excuses, covered all that already.

RB is sorta null, maybe a little town for calling Sakura out but he also suddenly stopped so I'm putting him in null for now.

Ironically, I felt you jumped on me pretty suddenly too. At that point only the MC and Sakura's conversation were the main sticking topics and the former was more or less done as I said. This post also felt a little like a backtrack by trying to distance yourself from Sakura, so you're leaning scum for me.
Jinxy
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Whoops, forgot Royston. He's still null to me, his posts weren't particularly useful in any way.
Sakura
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Well those reads kinda sux, everyone is null to scum!
Tanzklaue
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it's still day 1, the reads can't possibly fleshed out.

besides, what is the problem with having no townread? as long as not everyone is null, the reads aren't useless. and even a full null read can have interesting aspects.
Raging Bull
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Sakura wrote:

Well those reads kinda sux, everyone is null to scum!

Jinxy wrote:

Sakura is leaning scum due to question avoidance and convenient excuses, covered all that already.

:( Read Sakura.
Raging Bull
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BRBP wrote:

Hi guys,
I won't participate in that massclaim.

Good night.
in other news, deep sleep.
Sakura
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Yeah, i'd think if you're giving out a reads list you'd have more than that, but it seems to me like he was just fishing for town cred, i'm starting to get some suspicious of JInxy.
Jinxy
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Well excuse me princess, fartownik asked for it in case you didn't notice
Raging Bull
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Jinxy wrote:

Well excuse me princess, fartownik asked for it in case you didn't notice
+1 town cred right there.
Tanzklaue
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scum doesn't read.

sakura, i start to get suspicious of you.
Kitsunemimi
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I honestly wish I could say more, but I just feel like we're not really getting anywhere right now ._.

Something I noticed, NH's massclaim idea was already denied by Tanz, fart, and Sakura pretty early on, yet he continued to insist on it for a fair bit. Though he might've just thought that since it's Touhou, it might have a better chance of working (since roles are also associated with characters). However, even after the massclaiming was blatantly denied by other people such as myself and Kanye, he still goes and says

NoHitter wrote:

If we are to claim though, I suggest claiming in two parts. That way we get two chances to catch someone.
i.e. If someone claims Role A, and someone else claims Role A too OR if someone claims Character A, and someone claims character A too.
I didn't fully understand what he meant by this, but I still think that mentioning this was somewhat unnecessary.

I really can't see anything in fartownik, don't know what to think of him.

Sakura, of course, is feeling really suspicious. After all of that "reaction testing" where are you going to go from there? I still haven't seen much from you since the reaction testing aside from getting townread in Kanye. Speaking of which, Kanye getting town points for analysis seemed really random and out of the blue, since he only made one post. Unless of course, we're still "reaction testing".
Sakura's excuse for his scummy behaviour is that even though his methods make him scummy, he still likes them. Okay, fine, are your methods working then? Do you have any sort of results?

I'm slowly beginning to want to see something from BRBP.
Raging Bull
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well I'm going to sleep so I hope you guys post a lot without me so I can post to myself when I'm awake and you guys are all asleep.
NoHitter
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Sakura is definitely pinging me.
Not only is she blatantly admitting to being scummy, but she's also continuing to dig her own grave.
I'm starting to smell a Jester here.

@Harris73
I was just stating how the massclaim should proceed when it does.
pieguyn
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Votecount 1.2:

NoHItter (1) - Kanye West
Jinxy (1) -fartownik
Sakura
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Nah i missed fartownik's question, and nope i'm not reaction testing anymore. Raging Bull is bothering me latching onto the weakest things to place suspicion, like scum looking for the weakest target to attack.
Sakura
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^
I meant tanz my bad
Sakura
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Also more people need to start voting... LIKE ME!
Vote: Tanz
Kitsunemimi
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But the only thing that he explicitly stated was suspicious was that you didn't read that farto asked Jinxy for a readlist. For all we know, he could just be suspicious of you because he agrees with some of the things that other people have mentioned in this thread. That said, the fact that he hasn't posted much of his personal observations could also indicate something.

Also, NH please don't call me Harris73 any more. I changed my name for a reason, and some people won't even recognize it since it doesn't show in your profile anymore.
Tanzklaue
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and on what exactly do you base that vote?
Tanzklaue
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nvm understood what you said.
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I'm suspecting you (sakura) for your actions you have taken so far.

the whole "reaction testing" just seems odd, your questionavoiding is downright anti-town, and now your voting of me seems like you want to provoke me to countervote you (on which you'd call OMGUS) or do some other dumb shit. I didn't even vote her, yet she still feels sort of threatened by a mere suspicion of mine.

won't vote her, because that play could really fit on to a jester (the "more guys should vote" thingy she said seems fishy too, after all the discussion encouragement you would think that she wanted the discussions to draw out a lil' bit longer until more people posted stuff).

@Kitsunemimi: I can provide you my reads if you want, but I am new to this whole mafiabusiness (one game finished, the second botched from the start, this is my third), so they are prone to change and unreliability.
fartownik
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Either Sakura is sure she can prove herself Town in the future (i.e. claiming Mason) or she's Jester, because she acts pretty crazy (SAKURA ON ACID).

The second might be possible, but it might be a also a play so we don't lynch her and she's actually scum with NoHitter whom bring the idea of it.
Tanzklaue
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if we have a cop or cop-like roll, then it should maybe check sakura out. since we can't act on her if we don't know whether she is scum or jester.
VoidnOwO
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:)
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fartownik
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Unvote
Vote: Sakura
Fine for me. We can't base only on the possibility of the Cop, though it's high possible we have one or one cop-like.
Sakura
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Tanz if you really suspect me i'd suggest you vote me, even light suspicions need to be backed up with votes at this point, votes and wagons cause reactions and force people to start taking stances, which leaves scum less places to hide.

Kitsunemimi: Yeah i avoided the questions, so what? i didnt have answers since they all came from a silly reaction test.

Also the scummier i look the better for me, how did you know?
Sakura
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As a clarification for that, the scummier i look the better for me, not because i'm a Jester but for other reasons.
Tanzklaue
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so you think getting yourself lynched is useful to town?
Sakura
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Tanzklaue wrote:

so you think getting yourself lynched is useful to town?
Not lynched, just suspicious.. also drawing votes towards me is also part of my plan.
Lilac
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I can have a couple of guesses as to why the 'scummy' look can be 'beneficial'.

@Sakura: You do realise no matter the role you have, you're hurting town because all eyes are focused on you, right?
Sakura
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It will all make sense come D2...

The funny part is that I never explained my reaction test, then people are just writing it off as scummy instead of asking questions, I bet there's at least 1 scum voting me already.
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so under what circumstances can it be beneficial for town to just suspect one guy and vote him/her?
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I could imagine that drawing unsuspecting scum out for a quicklynchwould be one of them.
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Tanzklaue wrote:

so under what circumstances can it be beneficial for town to just suspect one guy and vote him/her?
Explaining that would throw my plan away, sorry. It would make scum wary of what NOT to do.
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Tanzklaue wrote:

so under what circumstances can it be beneficial for town to just suspect one guy and vote him/her?
Almost zero.


Out of Sakura, farto, Jinx and Tanz. That group has at least one or more at least has an anti-town role.

The other group, BRBP, Rantai and Royston, one of them at least has an anti-town role as well.

Reason? Polar opposites really, vocal mafia and silent mafia. That's my gut feeling anyway and it does not help me one bit.
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Sakura wrote:

Tanzklaue wrote:

so under what circumstances can it be beneficial for town to just suspect one guy and vote him/her?
Explaining that would throw my plan away, sorry. It would make scum wary of what NOT to do.
you already did that kind of thing in other games.

you ended up telling the plan anyway since someone figured keyparts out of it I think? and because you got pressured too far.
Sakura
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If you wanna know you'll have to run me up to L-1 and force me to claim, until then...
The grass is green, the sky is starry and the circle of life begins anew...
Tanzklaue
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or i read up the game you did that before and go figure it out from there.


which i will do now.
Sakura
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This might help: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Sakura_Hana
Kanye West
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unvote

Going to read what happened so far and then post, I've been afk the entire day.
Kitsunemimi
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Sakura is getting weirder and weirder ._.

The one thing I'm getting from this is that there's no way a mafia member could want to draw that much attention to themselves like that right from the start. I could be wrong, but it just seems like an unlikely thing. Of course that obviously doesn't just make her town. Sakura says that the 'scummier she looks, the better'. And she's not a jester. I'm sorry, but what? She also says that it'll all be explained on D2.

So she's trying to draw attention to herself, and she seems to be doing a good job of it. Her reason for this is to expose scum, but the fact that she says 'it'll all make sense come D2' tells me she's obviously hiding something. I'm not convinced that she's acting *for* the town right now, so I'm thinking that it might actually be better to ignore her and stop doing exactly what she wants us to do. I want to find out what this whole thing is about on D2 too, in case she happens to be town for whatever reason, so it might also be a smart idea to not lynch her today. Any thoughts? I'm rather unsure about this myself.

If Sakura has nothing to say about this come D2, then maybe we should lynch her then.
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She might be Lynchproof bringing attention, getting lynched and not dying. Then D2 seeing who voted her and looking for scum in that group.

If this is so, then it's invalid. You can get lynched right now without votes from scum easily for your current behavior.
Sakura
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Kitsunemimi: And why can't I be scum trying to achieve not getting lynched by purposefully drawing attention to me and getting that exact same reaction from you?
fartownik
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Or maybe she's just bringing shitload of attention because she's Mafia and every game she was Mafia she got lynched D1 because of unwanted attention she radiated.
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Jeez, why you ninja me.
Sakura
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Yeah exactly, and since you got the exact same thought process I have, i do believe you are town now farto.
Kitsunemimi
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I know of the possibility that she could be mafia but if she's not then it would be a really dumb mislynch imo.

If people still want to lynch Sakura then I have nothing against that, it's just that it seems too obvious.
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inb4 Paranoid Gun Owner scum and every damn PR tries to target Sakura tonight.
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EBWOP: There should be plenty sufficient reasoning for the lynch of course.
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Oh god that just looked incredibly stupid I should stop posting while trying to eat.
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My goal with my stupid reaction test was to get town of the RVS as fast as possible, i've said that plenty of times already, is there anything else on me?
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Sakura wrote:

My goal with my stupid reaction test was to get town of the RVS as fast as possible, i've said that plenty of times already, is there anything else on me?
Yeah, and we got out of it suspecting you mostly :f
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But we were already out of it by discussing mass claim vs no mass claim.
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fartownik wrote:

Sakura wrote:

My goal with my stupid reaction test was to get town of the RVS as fast as possible, i've said that plenty of times already, is there anything else on me?
Yeah, and we got out of it suspecting you mostly :f
For what reason?

RB: I dont believe that would have gotten anything more other than a "yeah" or "nope"
Raging Bull
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imo, discussion looked pretty nice at first, but with your claim on fart, it is hard to even know how it wiould have been in the first place. NH looked liek he would keep discussion going.
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Raging Bull wrote:

imo, discussion looked pretty nice at first, but with your claim on fart, it is hard to even know how it wiould have been in the first place. NH looked liek he would keep discussion going.
If he really wanted to keep that discussion going then he should be being voted right now, that discussion would have been very detrimental to town because obv the townies with the better abilities would be right out rejecting something like that, and scum would know where to start shooting.
Raging Bull
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Fuck I'm so confused right now. I'm still suspicious of you, but I honestly soooooooooo doubt it you would make so much attention to yourself as scum (especially since you said how you get lyn ched D1 quite a bit as scum) I'm not even sure if you are just doing it again to change meta or to maintain a consistent meta
Sakura
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i've only been lynched thrice as scum, and only 1 of them was D1, i've also been mislynched D1 as town. Your point?
Raging Bull
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I was under the impression that when you get lynched D1, you were mafia.
Sakura
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Well not really, but I don't want you to town-read me just because of meta, if you think im town or scum please let it be because of my attitude this game.
Sakura
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oh btw, because of your latest posts i'm leaning more town on you.
Jinxy
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Jinxy
I'm personally getting the feel that Sakura is just rolling along with these few posts starting with Tanz instead of outright refuting them so as to sound like she has a plan, and then peppering in attempts to prevent herself from getting lynched.

Sakura wrote:

It will all make sense come D2...
"Want to know more? Keep me alive." This looks like an attempt to buy time and not get lynched D1 instead of anything useful to me, unless she can give something concrete by the end of D1 to persuade me.

Also,

fartownik wrote:

Either Sakura is sure she can prove herself Town in the future (i.e. claiming Mason) or she's Jester, because she acts pretty crazy (SAKURA ON ACID).

The second might be possible, but it might be a also a play so we don't lynch her and she's actually scum with NoHitter whom bring the idea of it.
I didn't really get this part of what you said, here. What's "it", the massclaim suggestion? Is it regarding the first or the second possibility?
Rantai
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Rantai
So what I gather from the last 12 hours (ie I was sleeping) is that Sakura has some plan and is throwing town cred based on criteria that I don't understand at this time?

I don't really know what to make of this situation, it sounds more like a baiting for rolefishers than anything else.

--

That said;

Kitsunemimi wrote:

If people still want to lynch Sakura then I have nothing against that, it's just that it seems too obvious.
These types of lines always sit uncomfortably with me because they're a wish-washy way of saying I'm fine with this lynch but don't want to do anything about it. And yeah I did see his next post, which doesn't really salvage that post.
Kitsunemimi
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Kitsunemimi
I just didn't want to sound like I'm really against lynching Sakura/trying to protect her for whatever reason.
To be honest I actually want to vote her right now. But what she said earlier about wanting to look scummy on purpose is putting me off. Strangely enough, I feel like she's changed her attitude slightly on the last page and now switched to being rather neutral...
NoHitter
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NoHitter
Vote: Sakura

Honestly, your "intentionally acting scummy" play is not helping town at all. (I know how it feels, as I've tried doing so for a gambit in a previous game as town.) Unless your plan manages to help in confirming people or some other gigantic information will be put out, I don't see how anything but WIFOM can result from your plan.

At the moment, you're just dividing town into those who would vote for you, and those who are unsure.
Sakura
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Sakura
Care to explain why is not helping town at all? I thought my strategy would be obvious tbh, for anyone town aligned that is.
Sakura
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Sakura
Do you guys seriously find no motivation for town to act like a VI?
Lilac
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Lilac
The hell is VI? No matter. Vote: BRBP.

BRBP wrote:

I just read everything on one go so I might've missed stuff, but I'm just going to vote Sakura for now. Even if she's a jester, it's very unlikely that the game will end when she's lynched. I'd rather have a lynched jester than a breathing scum. Sakura has been doing some reaction testing in other games as well, but this time it just looked different to me.
What exactly looks different? What are you comparing it to? Is this difference even scum worthy? You've left things absurdly vague which makes it 'look' like you are contributing but anyone could say that things look different.

BRBP wrote:

I don't really know what NH is doing. Maybe calling people by their old names is just a weak way of trying to breadcrumb some ancient games he has played with you, but this is just guessing :/ I'll vote him for his overall behaviour if Sakura suddenly proves she's town.
This REALLY irritates me. NoHitter is calling people by their old names because he's too insensitive and latching on to the past instead of moving on like some of us have. That's not the point though, what actually irritates me is that you've also stated 'overall behaviour', another general term. Maybe a vote on you can actually make you become more specific as opposed to leaving out bits and pieces for us to try and generalise about. It seems to me your only reason in to wanting to vote for him is cause he mentioned the past, people's previous names and damn I am not letting you get away with that.

BRBP wrote:

Jinxy is too pro and unreadable to me :<
Even 'professionals' can crumble apart if you tear at them long enough in the right way.
Sakura
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Sakura
VI stands for Village Idiot, which is a townie that acts scummy. Also i sent the mod a question regarding my ability and guess i wont be able to prove anything until N2, for some reason i thought i could use it during the day...

Also I really dont like how people are falling for the easy scum trap and voting me, but oh well what can I do about that, guess i'll stop being VI and risk being too townie and get NK'd instead.
Sakura
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Sakura
Actually Jinxy's ISO reeks of "Sakura's so scummy you should be voting her" without getting himself involved.... interesting
Jinxy
Sakura
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Sakura
bah, too used to vote tags
Vote: Jinxy
pieguyn
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Topic Starter
pieguyn
Votecount 1.3:

Sakura (3) - BRBP fartownik NoHItter
BRBP (1) - Lilac
Jinxy (1) - Sakura
VoidnOwO
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VoidnOwO
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Royston
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Joined June 2012
Royston
My reads at the moment:

Jinxy: Seems town to me, quite a lot of analysis in posts

fartownik: Again, posts are pretty analysis heavy- I'm still not sure about his involvement in the whole massclaim but his posts seem more focused towards scumhunting than scumpainting.

Sakura: I still stand by what I said, and that is that I don't think scum would want to draw attention to themselves like that. Or maybe they are scum and has some super duper lynch me please ability idk. I'm not prepared to vote for her at this stage, however.

Tanzklaue: Most of their posts seemed to be pretty short and pretty targeted against Sakura. My gut feeling is that this is scummy behavior (note: I have no mafia experience so this could be totally wrong). My best guess for scum atm though.

NoHItter: Same with what I said with Sakura, I don't think scum would want to draw attention to themselves by suggesting a massclaim out the gate. If only for that, leaning town for me

Everyone else is null to me, honestly. Sorry for the vaguery
Overall I'm confused

So out of all that
Vote: Tanzklaue


Jinxy wrote:

Whoops, forgot Royston. He's still null to me, his posts weren't particularly useful in any way.
:cry: (but true)

okay time to murder more pikmin
Jinxy
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Joined February 2009
Jinxy

Sakura wrote:

Do you guys seriously find no motivation for town to act like a VI?
I can think of a few roles, but none of them require buying time to get to D2...

Sakura wrote:

VI stands for Village Idiot, which is a townie that acts scummy. Also i sent the mod a question regarding my ability and guess i wont be able to prove anything until N2, for some reason i thought i could use it during the day...
Oh, D3, then. Really asking for a lot now while still trying to hide so much, aren't you?

Sakura wrote:

Actually Jinxy's ISO reeks of "Sakura's so scummy you should be voting her" without getting himself involved.... interesting
At this point of the game you're equivalent to a loud and bright siren, what else could I talk about? But sure, if it gets you closer to start telling us just what the hell you're trying to do, if you're even town, then

Vote: Sakura

RE: BRBP and Lilac, BRBP brings some good points on Sakura, but,

BRBP wrote:

Lilac wrote:

This REALLY irritates me. NoHitter is calling people by their old names because he's too insensitive and latching on to the past instead of moving on like some of us have. That's not the point though, what actually irritates me is that you've also stated 'overall behaviour', another general term. Maybe a vote on you can actually make you become more specific as opposed to leaving out bits and pieces for us to try and generalise about. It seems to me your only reason in to wanting to vote for him is cause he mentioned the past, people's previous names and damn I am not letting you get away with that.
Correction, asking makes me become more specific :3

Except this time. Please note that I haven't actually voted him yet. I'll explain why when/if I vote later on.
Why can't you be specific here? You can always give your ideas and suspect more than 1 person, you know. I don't see why reasoning must only come out when voting.
Raging Bull
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Joined June 2010
Raging Bull
The only thing that is stopping me from voting Sakura is what she says. I honestly doubt scum would bring so much attention to themselves. I'm positive at least one scum is already on her bandwagon.

@BRBP, why are you voting for Sakura if you think she's jester? Isn't jester a third party who CANNOT kill? Why would you want to lynch someone who is harmless (but god damn confusing) instead of scum? You're basically making her win and making us lose even more since scum doesnt have to worry about targetting third party instead of town.
fartownik
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fartownik
I think there might be 2 scum + 1 antitown/3rd party role, and I kinda agree with Lilac with the possibilities of who might be what.

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Vote: JInxy

I'm positive of a possible lineup of JInxy + NH/BRBP. All 3 seem pretty scummy in my eyes, and if Sakura is Town (which I think right now is true) then it's in that 3.
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